Origins of Super Metroid's Wrecked Ship
Вставка
- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- The Wrecked Ship was always a location that was 'out of this world' in Super Metroid, but what exactly are it's origins?
Follow The Orpheon on Social Media!
Merch: redbubble.com/...
Patreon: / orpheon
Twitter: / the_orpheon
Twitch: / theorpheon
Discord: / discord
Sakamoto Interview - www.metroid-da...
Metroid Manga - www.metroid-da...
Wrecked Ship map Images - metroid.fandom...
A Chozo ship, I never thought of that. I always assumed that the wreck ship belonged to that fallen warrior outside of Kraid's room.
That makes sense too...theres a few theories out there.
That’s a good theory... but the ship seems much too large to have a crew of one.
@@tawdryhepburn4686 The rest were probably eaten or something
@@tawdryhepburn4686 both the chozo, and our fallen soldier perhaps?
69 likes lul
The Super Metroid instruction manual says, of the Wrecked Ship, "Long ago, astronauts from an ancient civilization crash landed on Zebes. This is what remains of their ship." Of the Wrecked Ship enemies, the manual describes the Covern (the ghosts who fade in and out before power is restored) as "These souls of shipwrecked creatures turn into evil spirits who that themselves around intruders." Of the Work Robots, the manual says "These robots were built by ancient man to service the inside of the ship. Since the crash, they have gone completely haywire." The Super Metroid Player's Guide, for its part, says "Many moons ago, a strange alien craft crash landed on the wind swept surface of Zebes. Though the ship has lain broken and decaying over the millennia the spirits of those long-dead travellers still walk its rusting corridors." And it also says "On arrival upon this dilapidated hulk, you'll notice that nothing works. Nothing unusual about that you might think--the thing's been lying here for countless centuries."
It's pretty clear from the material that, to the extent they gave it any thought, the Super Metroid development team regarded the Wrecked Ship as ancient and unrelated to present-era galactic events and societies. The Chozo? Perhaps, but that would be a retcon. There has been a tendency ever since Fusion and Prime to tie the entire web of galactic history to the Chozo, which I never really found satisfying. When I was a kid I read the manual and "astronauts from an ancient civilization" was good enough for me.
Phantoon itself is a little more cryptic. Of Phantoon, the instruction manual says "The ghost of the ship taps in to the vicious brainwaves of the Mother Brain and attacks adventurers with deadly plasma." This implies that Phantoon is the ghost of the Wrecked Ship itself. The Japanese instruction manual, by comparison, characterizes Phantoon as the physical manifestation of Mother Brain's consciousness, which doesn't make much sense. (Why would Mother Brain's consciousness take form in the Wrecked Ship?) The player's guide offers yet another explanation of Phantoon: "Unfortunately, there's a more sinister reason for [the Wrecked Ship's] systems being dead than simple metal fatigue. Phantoon, a sinister alien being, had made the wreck his lair and is draining its power for his own survival."
Underrated comment.
(Seriously you just did better than the actual video, thanks sir)
I think in Other M Phantoon was draining the energy from the space station causing many doors to not work much like the save stations on the wrecked ship. So that last bit about Phantoon draining energy seems to be consistent.
There is at least one piece of evidence that suggests the wrecked ship being of chozo origin, which is a chozo statue/torizo that can be found inside the ship. There is also the image of metroids on screens inside the ship that may suggest the ship was carrying metroids and that a metroid outbreak may have caused the ship to be abandoned. The encased "atomics" initially do not hint at anything, however, there are instances where metroids seem to be encased instead of "atomics" which suggests that metroids may have acted as a power source (or maybe they were feeding on it). There are some biomechanical(?) connective wires that look just like what is seen in tourian around mother brain (except green instead of red), which implies the ship had a mother brain. There is also some structural similarities to the area around the queen metroid on SR388 in metroid 2. I am really not sure how phantoon fits into everything, there may be some significance to the ship regaining power after phantoon is defeated but there is not a lot of ingame explanation. There are clear similarities between phantoon and mother brain, phantoon could even be where mother brain's brain came from, just not a lot of evidence to back up theories. There is not a lot of ingame evidence to suggest any specific age of the craft but the fact that it can regain power at all hints that the ship may not really be all that ancient (although that is entirely dependent on reliability of the tech and it could just be so advanced that it can it retain some funcionality for centuries, it certainly had to be strong if it survived a crash (maybe it did not crash?)).
I like how Orpheon makes Ridley, Kraid, Phantoon and Space Pirates so adorable.
They are a bunch of goofballs at heart
The Orpheon oh no, you’ve Brocken through our scary ness, I must retreat
@@ridleythecunninggodofdeath1108 * COUGH * says Ridley * COUGH *
The Orpheon YAY!
So the robots are invincible....but they only used it in one area.
Mother Brain ain't using all that IQ huh?
To be fair, they are just walking fridges.. Not the most useful xD
I need a walking fridge
Rafael Dapper indeed you do. Indeeeed you do.
Phantoon himself raises a lot of questions.
The main passage to access Tourian (Mother Brain's main base) recquires you to defeat the leaders of the Space Pirates, as despicted in the statue.
And Phantoon... *is carved as being one of them.* O_O
So, is this dimentional monster actually one of the Space Pirates?!
Was he found by them and then decided to join them?
Was he one of them from the start?
Was he simply _assigned_ a post in the Wrecked Ship?
*Or was he never one of them to begin with?*
It almost begs the question of whether he trully *is* one of the Space Pirates, considering we don't find any actual living Space Pirates inside the damn ship.=. _(or anything living, for that matter)_
So maybe, Phantoon and all the ghostly entities inside are NOT part of their organization.
Which, if true, begs the question:
*How the HELL did the Space Pirates manage to link the entrance to Tourian to Phantoon's very existence?!*
It would seem that Phantoon and the spirits inside are hostile to ANYTHING! Not even wildlife dares venture inside the ship until Phantoon is destroyed and the ghosts are gone!
_So how come one of the keys to unlocking the Space Pirates' base is killing this phantasmagoric monster?_
*My God, so many questions that we have absolutely no answer to. Both in regards to Phantoon and to Space Lavender Town.* X__X
I have another idea - it actually is the Space Pirate Mothership, but it's the ship on which the Chozo crashed onto Zebes too.
Phantoon wasn't actually the reason the ship crashed onto Zebes in the first place - maybe it didn't crash at all, and the Chozo landed there intentionally. After that, either something happened to the ship that stopped them from leaving the planet, or they decided to stay there and left the ship up in Crateria.
Then, the Space Pirates took over the now abandoned ship, reparing what was damaged. They made a Ridley robot and put him somewhere at the top. Then Samus arrives, Mecha Ridley's dead, and the ship explodes.
Phantoon might just have been lying dormant in some part of this ship this whole time, and could've been awoken by the explosion. Or, another theory would be that he's actually the ghost of Mecha Ridley - which travelled down into it's current hiding place after the events of Zero Mission.
And if you think about it, the Gravity Suit is actually in quite a similar place too!
About that, you might be thinking why the Chozo statue above the Gravity Suit room doesn't exist in Zero Mission. Well, there is no room over there - it's inaccessible in Zero Mission.
After you get the Gravity Suit in Zero Mission, some "pillars" drop down, stopping you from going back to the boss room. These exist in Super Metroid too - if you use the tunnel in the room that the Statue drops you in, you'll see a bunch of shootable blocks.
What do you guys think?
Imagine the wrecked ship as a location in Luigi's Mansion 3
Imagine Phantoon as a secret boss battle in Luigi's Mansion 3.
Both of those ideas would be pretty amusing and awesome, especially considering Metroid references have made appearances in Mario games, with Samus herself appearing in Super Mario RPG.
you trying to give Luigi a heart attack?
uuumm good idea and a secret boss fight is a better idea
and a secret map in the game or maybe room 15 and then king boos 16
I'm going to point this out since no matter what video I watch that covers the Wrecked Ship, they don't talk about it. In the long room full of Kihunters, on the monitors seems to be a close up of the Queen Metroid's face. Specifically her eyes.
It looks more like a regular Metroid and its nuclei to me.
It says in the Japanese manual for Super, that Phantoon is the ghost of the original mother brain, and it’s likely being controlled by the rebuilt mother brain (according to the western manual). So it’s not really a bioweapon.
This is also why Phantoon reappears in Other M after MB is killed. It’s simply the ghost of that version of mother brain, or possibly the rebuilt one from Super? Hard to say
I know Chozo statues are EVERYWHERE in Metroid games, but (when I first played Super) I always took the figure that delivered me to the Gravity Suit as a sign of the ship’s true ownership.
Great video, as always, Orpheon!
TAN the MAN Damn, that makes so much sense!
Holy shit!...I missed that .
Great catch!!
I didn't know the wrecked ship wasnt the the space pirate ship from zero mission until now . Neat .
do you know the area between crateria and chozodia on zero mission? with green walls, the area that have the super missile tank with a little maze? that area is the wrecked ship from super metroid (although it doesn't look like, it is)
I can't wait for metroid prime 4
Well I can’t wait for Metroid Prime 4 too
I actually can wait for anything Metroid related 😂
You're going to be in an impossible state for a long time then.
Kinda sucks that we all won’t be able to wait for multiple years
Doi Drando I’m not convinced by that. I know, it seems a bit crazy, but I think we may see the gameplay in 2020/21.
We don’t know when the restart (even if retro restarted the game before E3 2018, Nintendo wouldn’t announce it until the begin of 2019, 2018 was a bit off as year, Ninty couldn’t just say it before seeing how good smash would perform, it makes sense business while).
They just start looking for an art director, but this isn’t necessary for the first phase of the development. They may have a large part of the mechanics and level design and needing the art director to built on them. Furthermore, They may need an art director not for leading the whole art team, but too lead the environmental design and enemy design for on a particular area.
I’m pretty sure Nintendo want the game to came out as soon as possible, for the fans that are waiting since MP3 and for saving money (the longer the development, the high the cost). Apparently retro pitched the game to Ninty, they probably planned a smaller development time, pitching is not only about mechanics and mood of the game.
So, we can’t say for sure if it’s really that far away as it may looks like right now. Yeah, sorry for this long message😅
For the longest time, i had my own theories on how the space pirate ship's remains are marida, as we see the tank samus blew up in metroid zero mission. I thought that phanton was aghost of the people who used to inhabit the ship, combined into a deformed monster. i used to think that the animas have been here for generations, since their ancestors were on the wrecked ship. i thought they used the wrecked ship to escape at the end of super metroid
Metroid prime 4 was scrapped in favor of
*Super Crockomire Prime One*
Yay!!!
@Tyler Coon
Super Crockomire Prime Chapter One
Other Return of Crocomire Echoes Fusion Mission
OH NO, NOT CROCKOMIRE
True story
Lights off: Scary
Lights on: Squeaky robots
"OoooOooOo"
-Phantoon
I love your videos. Keep up the good work Orpheon!
I wonder if nintendo is ever gonna let us know some of the origins of the space pirate's
They are pirates... in space... at night.
We see the space pirate homeworld in Prime 3. They are a race of aliens, so up to you if you're a space pirate creationist or you're a space pirate church-goer.
@@dante7302 not exactly true, it was one of the space pirates many homeworlds. It is simply a colony and not actually their place of birth. This was stated so by the official Metroid Prime Trilogy art booklet.
@@Sakurball They are called Space Prates because their species prefers to raid and pillage trade routes instead of fighting in open combat.
@@miniaturejayhawk8702 no, Pirates are a group of people with common interests of plundering and marauding, they rent a race, they a re a people. They are multiple species joining together, that's why their leaders are Ridley and Kraid. I think the goons or main pirates you fight (those crab things) are probably an enslaved race by Ridley and kraid, only working for them because they dont wanna die, but idrk
I wonder how did the space pirates manage to convince Phantoon to join their alliance?
Having his statue shared Ridley and the other two.
In one way I'm thinking that Mother Brain has something to do with it since he also appears at the bottle ship of all places where surprise, surprise [SPOILER] was also there.
That Custom Robo music just gets me every time
Phantoon throws the best parties at his haunted shipwreck
This is a big prominent example of how the fan explanation makes more sense than the canon.
I... had no idea, but it begs the question, "How did that thing got in there in the first place?"
-Double D
Metroid lore is so gooood. I love when more answers lead to more questions. No joke, thats just cosmic horror, very Alien inspired.
Croc boi is best boi
Great video as always, Orpheon ! One thing about the ship is still weird though, why the ghosts that appears before you kill phantoom looks like a bunch of humans skulls ? Because if they are actually the remains of the ship crew, they would most likely be chozo-like right ?
Perhaps the ghosts are not necessarily the passengers of the ship, but foreign explorers who went inside the ship long after it crashed, and died inside. Perhaps dying within the ship adds to Phantoon's army.
They appearance as a ghost could be totally random.
I think it could be some human galactic marauders who died there, and the corpse outside of kraid's room could be a survivor.
Maybe their beaks don't have any bone or something idk
TL;DR -- If you don't know where something came from in the Metroid universe, it probably came from the Chozos, lol.
That Phantoon voice, freaking priceless.
Yep, im sold.
Subbed & ill be passing the channel along to those that will listen to Metroid stuff.
Makes sense that the ship is chozo. That walking statue and the Gravity Suit are the strongest evidence in favor.
Just in time
I love how you use Elma and Xenoblade X soundtrack
ELMA IS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER, she is the best! I hope for a sequel comes to the Switch
@@TheOrpheon That's great! It so happens that from "this console generation" (considering Wii U part of it), Xenoblade Chronicles X has been my favorite RPG and likely my favorite game in all, so I totally understand your liking for Elma.
Xenoblade X is also my favorite game of this generation, and its probably why I am disappointed with Xenoblade 2. Hopefully there will be a sequel on the Switch at some point because I NEED MORE OF ELMA PLEASE NINTENDO.... sorry my fanboy side is a bit uncontrollable
Thank goodness he’s back baby.
The main thing I want to know is, what is Phantoon?
Arctic Dino also, how did it end up on the bottle ship?
@@davidnabbit I'll just paste my here and go to sleep.
"I wonder how did the space pirates manage to convince Phantoon to join their alliance?
Having his statue shared Ridley and the other two.
In one way I'm thinking that Mother Brain has something to do with it since he also appears at the bottle ship of all places where surprise, surprise [SPOILER] was also there."
I often wonder the same thing. Phantoon is my favorite metroid character. I heard that he was an ancient energy being that was on the chozo ship. Maybe Even a good guy. Maybe he worked with the chozo. But phantoon was likely possessed my mother brain. After his death he was cloned but only physically. As weaponized malformed clone.
He looks like a hyper evolved cephalopodian alien like a chambered nautilus. Or the soul of one
Well, not much Is really known, other than that it strangely interacts with Mother Brains "neural waves" and it has a fire eyeball addiction. That's about it.
This summer I went Tampa for vacation and all I did in the hotel was play Samus returns and watch your videos
Hope you enjoyed the videos, and that you had a good time on your vacation. Thanks for watching
your chibis are getting better and better
I loved the music from Luigi's Mansion and Super Mario Sunshine (Sirena Beach). 2 amazing games that were big parts of my childhood.
Yes!!! I haven't heard Sunshine music in so long! I recognized it right away!
Been watching UA-cam since it first started, I will always watch this channel. You guys are one of my favorite channels on this site.
Ahh, my favorite area. Loved the eerie atmosphere of a once inhabited ship.
U are a gangster genius for even thinking of making this video ❤ i always wanted more lore on this subject
Maybe it's the ship we saw in Samus Returns, belonging to the Chozo who wiped out the SR388 colony
Surprised how well the Custom Robo music fit in here.
I just love adding the OST from other games I love
Man, when you said "we may never know" I thought to myself "you know what, there is now a chance since Metroid Dread is coming out." Sakamoto himself said that he has other planse since Metroid Dread is the final chapter in this story arc.
I was actually wondering where the wrecked ship came through as I was playing recently! Thank you!
Both ship's have the "trash can" robots, and the round "atom orbit" enemies. These aren't anywhere else in the games. If they didn't intend them to be the same ship they were still referencing the Wrecked Ship anyway.
I only ever saw the wrecked ship as a wrecked ship. I never questioned anything. Cool to know that I was missing out on cool lore details because I'm dumb like that.
I've known that the Wrecked ship isnt the SP Mothership. But, my head canon says otherwise
the wrecked ship idea in luigi mansion 3 would have been great and a secret boss
its the space pirate ship from zero mission. the ship in zero mission is even full of many of the same enemies exclusive to the wrecked ship. it even shows the ship landing there. so phantoon might be a leftover space pirate experiments
Except it's been said by creators that it is not.
Will there be a Metroid game where the Chozo are actually present instead of just finding their stuff?
It's better for them not to appear. It leaves more to the imagination. There's always the risk that their portrayal might not reach expectations if they show up in a future game.
Kinda like how Ridley Scott ruined the Engineers when he decided to bring them into the recent Alien movies.
Unless we time travel back to a period of time before Chozos were extinct, I don't think we will see them
Chozo are extinct by the time the first game happens so no.
It's possible but highly highly unlikely to be made. It would be so cool, though! It would obviously pre-date Zero Mission, but it's possible since it's recorded that Samus was an established bounty hunter/space explorer prior to Zero Mission. It would be soo cool to watch the story of Samus/Chozo develop, even in flashbacks, and undergo some of the training and absorb the knowledge/technology the Chozo shared with Samus. The Chozo are timeless so Samus could still obtain power-ups from ancient Chozo... There's a really good opportunity to explore Samus's background in video-game form but I don't think Nintendo would ever execute such a thing when Prime games take 10 years to make and who knows if they'll ever create another main series title again... I bet they'll do a 2-D Fusion re-hash eventually on Switch on Switch's successor.
Check out the trailer for Dread
I know the afterlife is more of an afterthought in Metroid as themes go, but I'd think this would be a BIG DEAL!
Hehe YOU THINK YOU CAN STOP ME?!?! (ME:pulls out speedrun tactics and gets there easily)
I don't care what the developers say, to me the wrecked ship IS the remains of the Space Pirate Mother Ship.
That's more interesting for me.
With Phantoon being a space pirate being sent to the remains of the Space Pirate Mother Ship to find anything useful
Wonderful explanation!
Voice acting skills over 9,000
Iirc Metroid Prime scans of pirate logs state three vessels were in orbit around Zebes at the time of the first game. Orpheon and another escaped but a third one was destroyed. Maybe that was the wrecked ship?
Imagine dark samus and the sa ax combined In metroid prime 4 and yes i do know the sa ax is dead or absorbed but you never know for the time line
The issue isn't SA-X, since there were multiple and they could just say that one escaped.
No, the issue is Dark Samus, since She and Phaase were totally obliterated before the SA-X were created, so there's no way for her to make contact with them.
Great video man! I just finished a 100% playthrough and this video popped up! sick coincidence.
Bird Magic happens ‘just in time’
Phantoon should be the series main villain honestly
Hey there hope youre doing well
Man, the Custom Robo music in this video makes me want to dig out my Gamecube and try to play Custom Robo again. Maybe I'll even 100% this time
Love the vid! Also how do you record your gameplay? I want to make a review of Metriod Fusion.
Glad to hear you enjoyed it, hope you get a chance to see my other videos and consider subscribing if you enjoy it.
For recording footage I just use El Gato Capture (HD60) and play the game from the WiiU’s virtual console. I do the same with pretty much every metroid game (since they will keep almost the same aspect ratio) and the games are easy to get of the eShop.
(If in the future you plan on recording the NES Metroid, remember to get Zero Mission instead since you can unlock the original game after completing the adventure so you get two games for one)
@@TheOrpheon Thank you!! Also I have been subscribed for a while now love the items vid and the timeline video!
Thanks a lot, appreciate the support! If you ever end uploading the review, send me a link on Twitter or Discord. Would like to see it
You forget the fact that the Chozo were a nomadic warrior-like species that traveled the galaxy for travels sake. So in reality the Chozo had no actual purpose for being on zebes except that they couldn't get off due to the extensive damage to the ship from the crash. So making due with what they had they colonized the planet.
The chozos didn't have a destination because...
Bird magic
This channel is the Metroid fans meet-up point
Being that the ship is of Chozo origin, the ghost should be it to, meaning that encounters with Chozo ghosts are more common that I thought.
I had one ice cream for every time Samus fought a Chozo ghost in a game I would have two ice creams, which is not that much but is strange that it happened twice
I dig the Custom Robo music
Man every video just keeps making me excited to play metroid!
Totally tubular vid 👏, Orpheon I've misses ya I havnt seen one of your videos in a while man 😂
So phantomb is an interdimensional being? Why even side with the space pirates?
Perhaps the Pirates were able to tame Phantoon with Mother Brain's powerful brainwaves (this is mentioned in the instruction manual I think). Interestingly, Phantoon shows up in Other M, where Mother Brain was also located... coincidence?
@@ultraspinalki11 probably. Or Phantoon is just a sucker for the dramatics.
There's another theory that says that samus uncovered the wrecked ship after blowing up the space pirate mothership. It uncovered the dirt, and uncovered the wrecked ship. And the remains of the space pirate mothership became maridia.
Still the greatest game ever made. This level and the underwater level always scared me as a kid.
Those robots you see on the ship have a very similar look a like in the game Iconoclasts
It doesn't look like a place that the Chozo built.
Love your vids!
But it wasn't that in Super Metroid Samus could enter the wrecked ship after the explosion of the Space Pirate Mother Ship making it not been burried under ground
I think the wrecked ship is the ship of the space pirates in metroid zero mission
I heard this Theory that's fun soon is the ghost of the NES Mother Brain
The fun soon is Phantoon
my crack theory right now is that the wrecked ship is the flagship from the chozo elite from Metroid 2 samus returns.
just figured it was a remnant of the ships AI since it has the simular bulbous head with an eye that mother brain and others have. Like it was a basic model used for ships and stuff. It was killed during the crash and because it was linked to the ship it began to haunt the place. Might make more sense than an unexplainable multidimensional ghost. Just saying
There's a theory that Maridia in Super Metroid is actually the remains of the Space Pirate Mothership and Chozodia.
1:37 That smoke that looks like a face coming out of the Kraid statue...
Was it always there or did The Orpheon edit that in?
Its always been there, it happens to each statue after you beat the boss before turning gray. Its in a way to signify that you have broken a seal of sorts
@@TheOrpheon thanks I never had notice that before, seems like a anime gag.
Enjoyed this video, I just have a request:
Could you start putting the music you used on your videos in the description?
Just tell me the timecode of the song and I’d be happy to tell you
@@TheOrpheon Around 3:40.
But if anybody else asks you that in a future video, then putting all the music used in the video in the description would be a wise choice.
If enough people ask then I will do it (in order of appearance) but rarely people ask
Also the song is called: ‘Gymnasium’ - Custom Robo (Gamecube)
It's just really for convinience sake, but thanks anyway.
I'm assuming the one on 1:58 is from Custom Robo as well? It sounds similar to Gymnasium.
I wonder if there will be another wreaked ship in Metroid prime 4
Chances that Dread could reveal the original Chozo world?
Are we ever going to get a video explaining who Phantoon is?
To me the space pirate ship became Meridia you know its full of pirate broken glass tube OH and its purple!
honestly I wanna visit the wrecked ship after that intro
What an awesome video.
Your content is so much better than those ridiculous Zelda UA-camrs lol
Hey orpheon
Ive always thought it was the space pirate ship from zero mission makes more sense to me you know
I just started playing this game through the Nintendo online snes and I freaking love it!
Me too
Don't you just love ret-conned backstory?
I kinda thought he was a remnant of the control system of the ship which is why it looks similar to mother brain in a way. Like a less sophisticated basic computer that they used for things like ships. Mother brain was an upgraded version with an AI prosesser. It would fit with the story better than an unexplainable multidimensional ghost. Just saying.
I love this video SO MUCH
Thank you, very happy to hear that. I hope you enjoy the future videos
*Hears Mario Sunshine and Luigis Mansion* Ahh, a man of culture.
They start touching but they don't stop touching my spaghett is really worth nothing
Phantoon looks like a mother brain ghost
Loved the intro ;) and the video of course
The japanese super metroid instruction book says its mother brains ghost