The xgt impact is so cool for the modes. I use them all the time. Speed is beneficial for huge lag bolts or thick screws if you’re doing them all day. On avg I’m not holding the trigger down all the way. The makita has a function that starts slow and doesn’t speed up until it feels torque is needed, which is awesome. It also has a function where it sinks drywall screws to the exact depth. It’s unreal. The xgt impact is a jack of all trades and in my opinion a master of all trades
Yea makita has better over all impact cuz the modes but dewalt has the variable trigger as well. I never go balls the wall. Really only thing dewalt is lacking is more modes but I think is almost their thing at this point for the people that prefer simple tools.
@@colekidd2 Yea, I was just stating that most the top end impacts have a similar trigger. But the makita is really nice cuz of the extra modes and the feel in the hand.
yes, exactly, Makita trigger is unbelievable I can use in very low speeds. Don't matter that is 20V or 40V because this small tools don't require a lot of power. But for grinder, man, the 40V is way superior of 20V, i have both.
The reality for me is that basically any major brand drill is going to get the job done these days. For driving screws, 40v isn't going to give you some huge advantage over 20v. The drill is going to use the same amount of watts, whcih the 20v is capable of providing. The advantage of the 40v makita is that it uses the same batteries as the other 40v makita tools that you presumably need or already have. The advantage of the dewalt is that if you wanted to use similarly higher voltage tools the flexvolt means you don't have to buy a 60v drill to use the battery for both tools. But as drivers alone, they're gonna basically be the same.
I think this is one of the 40v Makita tools that's just a slightly upgraded version of the 18v. From watching the comparisons, it's the tools that were completely redesigned for 40v that have been really impressive. Although all of the top impacts are already snapping adapters, so there's not much benefit to more power at this point. Crazy how small that dewalt is though.
Yeah, impact drivers are limited by 6.3mm bits,kinda no point to put more power into it than a bit can handle (the best bits and adapters ,not crap ones) . Impact Wrenches are another story and the new makita xgt one is brutal
@b gg not true. You have to look at the max amperage per cell. With higher voltages you can use cells that have more mah but less max amp discharge . The 20v batteries often use all the amps they can get , at 40v you need 50% the amperage of a 20v system. So the 40v system is a bypass to the max amp drag from the cells. You need a series motor in a drill to reach max discharge of a 40v battery pack . Thats why the new redisigned drill and 1/2impact wrench are destroying the competion....
That's really just going to come down to which drill is using a higher WH battery. In this case, the makita is 160wh while the dewalt is only 40wh. The makita would drill roughly 4x as many screws. This doesn't mean the makita is better than the dewalt, just that they used very different batteries in this video.
@@caramelzappa By the numbers the Makita should do 4x more, but in real life usage a lot more. The XGT series are made to dynamically adjust power delivery to the tool, when you start using them you will soon notice that the 90wh battery (36v 2.5ah) will do more work than an 18v 5ah 90wh battery. Only with a permanent very heavy load will the consumption be fairly equal but then ohms law come into play, the higher the voltage the lower the current, and the lower the current the lower the transmission loss. You see this factor at play with 40v impact wrenches that are more powerful than their 18v near identical twins
It looks like the DeWalt was a little better (Makita fan here) so my only question is what about weight and ergonomics, which one feels better using it? I started out with DeWalt and they served me well, when I switched to Makita I found the hours I was using my impact driver was just more comfortable.
8:55 Oh wow, did Vince just imply Clint was “heavy”🤔 wow🤣 After seeing these tests from everyone and testing the new tools as well, it’s exciting to see what will come down the pipeline from other brands next year, and Milwaukee…..don’t mind a stacked pack of batteries, but if change the 18v/12v platform & contacts to something else where EVERYONES Tools won’t be compatible, ain’t no one gonna be happy. DeWalt did a good thing with these power stack batteries and making them compatible with all their 20v tools👍🏻👍🏻
The dewalt dcf850 is a little beast been happy with mine been waiting to get my power stack batteries just not here yet the 40v makita I'd beastly especially there impact Wrenches 3/4 pushing out 1000 plus foot pounds whaaaaaa hope you been well Clint Brother merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you and your family from me and My Family @ToolReviewZone
I didn't realize how small Vince really is; not until he was standing side by side with a real man. No wonder he has to be loud all the time. He has the New Jersey little man complex. He craves the attention. Clint, how much was that battery?
I was so exited when the original video came on on VCG construction…..I’m sorry there is nothing better than when my two favorite tool toober get together. Nothing tops a video that features both Claude, and Vance!!!!! Whaaaaaaat !!!!!! Amazing …… now that’s real nice like cuzbo!!!!!!!
I’m crushed…Vance was cheating 😭…his image is forever tarnished for me… on this day the bar was forever lowered 😉. Seriously hard to get your head around the Dewalt being right there power wise with the Makita…I have the gen 3.5 fuel impact however either of these look like quality pieces if your on that battery platform. Thx for the video and the entertainment you guys are hilarious!
As a daily user of my 18V Makita impact, and my dad uses a Dewalt impact, there are differences that no one addresses in reviews. Trigger control. The Dewalt has more “power” and speed than my Makita, but my Makita gets more done in the day because I can feather the trigger. Doing work with vinyl, if the bit jumps out of the fastener it makes a huge divot in the vinyl. The Dewalt is NOT a good choice if you are doing any screw driving that requires less than full full trigger. Both the Dewalt and Makita impacts are great tools, but Dewalt lacks control ability.
I have tried an older 18v Dewalt impact and I've found the same, the Dewalt did not have the same slow speed control that my Makita impact had which made it to start off smaller screws. Power is not everything. I haven't tried the latest Dewalt impacts so I do not know if Dewalt has improved in this area
Never got into Makita for power, got into the line because they are comfortable, take abuse last long, and have all the power you need. I left DeWalt because it seems they sacrifice build quality and tool life for power
I believe Makita made the XGT to reach higher power for equipment style tools. They are building out that lineup to be able to get a contractor on one battery system to everything from 1/4" impact drivers up to things like cordless 2" roto-hammers, 28lb breakers, 10 1/4" circ saws etc. Will Dewalt have those types of tools with the power stack? Also running 1 or 10 screws doesn't seem to be a very good test other than a drag race style of test. Need to put them through the ringer and do equal watt hours and see which does more fasteners.
@@bigshoots1181 haha yes you have right since crazy xgt I prefer hikoki multivolt, m18 from milwaukee , flexvolt from dewalt and all fully backward compatible whith many times better performance ;) depending of the tools range xgt is the big mistake.
@@dr00spikeee i personally don't know, i think they are all pretty great, we'll see what happens as makita pumps out more 40v tools, im leaning towards it as i don't have a current battery platform but waiting to see by end of the year which to go with.
I’m stoked I picked up that 850, at first I wasn’t really diggin it but after seeing what it can do with those new lithiums…. Damnnnnn she pushin big numbers. I’d almost say she’s pushin 8ah numbers which is just crazyyyy but I’m happy cuz after an 8hr day using ur impact all day being more compact without evening losing a bit of power is what I really needed. My triple hammer still is my favorite impact driver overall but this one is def a close second. Great vid bro!
Here's what I think gets lost on a lot of people, but it's a lesson I learned when I used to sell audio components when I was young. The formula for wattage is current (amps) x voltage (volts) = wattage. Companies like Sony would come out with a 100 Watt receiver, for example, but a Harman Kardon receiver rated at 70 watts was much more powerful. How could this be? Easy. Volts are like a garden hose, and current is analogous to the water that flows through it. Certainly a firehose can deliver more water (current) than a garden hose, but what if you have two hoses that are ten foot and 15 foot wide in diameter respectively? Many tools are not designed to use 40 volts or 60 volts (or more if you double up on batteries). What matters is how much current the tools are using. Manufacturer can make their equipment seem more powerful by upping the voltage rating but in all actuality they could use less current. Just like Sony, Makita, DeWalt, and others have used the same trickery.
I’m surprised you didn’t go down the path of basic electronics you dodged mentioning RMS values ! Just like quoting flywheel hp doesn’t mean you get that power onto the road because of drivetrain loses
The powerstack is lipo and the 40v is li-ion. Its apples and oranges. The Lipo has a higher c-rating which means it will always deliver more power than a li-ion. An analogy: Li-ion is using a straw to deliver power, Lipo is using a firehose. Faster recharge and Discharge, so you will have to put it on the charger way more often but it will be ready to go in 1/4 the time.
DEfinitely not apples and oranges comparison! LiPo and LiIon use both Lithium based and use the same approach to deliver current. Also a single cell LiPo has the same voltage at rest / charged as a single cell LiIon (3.6 to 4.2V). The main difference is the electrolyte material.
Fred!!!! I wish that was the case, but he ended up sending mean text messages to me after I left. I can't repeat what they said as I try to keep this channel family friendly 😪
Would love to use that powerstack on the dcf840. Would prolly have won every test. Either way i still like the atomic i have both. I use them daily and i like having 2 impacts anyways so i dont have to switch bits as much lol. Overkill i guess but i love tools so idc. Only thing is the 840 definitely heats up faster then the atomic with repetitive work so im giving it a break more. So with that said if i was going to have just 1 i would choose the atomic
If I had either platform I would stick to it, not jump ship. It looks like the DeWalt is light weight & if using it for along time, your wrist wouldn’t be sore compared the heavy weight. I have a Metabo with 36V/18V 4An battery, it doesn’t take long for my wrist to start hurting. Thanks for the information and making me 😀.👍
Not a Dewalt guy really but I like the Dewalt it’s compatible with the current system I like the loyalty Dewalt is showing to their base by not making them invest in a new platform. And honestly pound for pound the size Weight and cost investing into a new platform compared to the difference in performance doesn’t justify it. If you run Makita and that’s your tool you’re going to go for it if you’re completely indifferent and looking to invest into a platform I don’t see somebody grabbing the Makita.
DeWalt is showing innovation without taking away from their core clients kind of what they did with the 18 volt line they made an adapter and so that you can use the 20 volt so if you still have those tools you can use this battery as long as you have that adapter just make sure it's xr line the motors in those Nicad tools are on beast mode 📳 especially if you have that three speed dc925 for old school that's got a lot of chooch
Oh, you know the comments are coming with this one! First, thanks for the fantastic tool duel! Second, I was starting to think you and Vance were the same person since I've never seen you in the same place at the same time. Third, either you're 6'7" or that vcg guy is like 5'1", cuz you look like a giant next to him! In all seriousness, I truly love the good spirited banter the two of you have and how you both include us in on the joke. Thanks for that! One last thing...it's December. I must have missed your shop tour 🧐
@@ToolReviewZone Vince is a Rocky fans she's the movie and thinks he can win at anything lol I'm 6 ft I don't even care you guys are the best two tests raw sucks with out you and Vince you both make it better keep busting each other's chops you making my stomach hurt I'm laughing so hard
why don't you two ever test the makita dtd172? are you waiting for it to hit the US market first? I'm assuming you only test the tools available in the US
Bought Makita in 2006. 1.5ah batteries. Still as good as new 17 years later. This year, I’ve heard Milwaukee is on top, but opinions change every year…
I have the high torque makita impact, it's a beast, twisted my lugnut posts right off without me noticing, now I have to figure out if there's anything I'll ever actually need it for, would love to need it
Yo TRZ! I'm actually surprised the 40v (intended for torque, not speed) held it's own vs the newest 20v power stack battery on driving drywall fasteners. 😲 As far as the cheating goes, bro, you signed up and put forth the effort to go to the den and got "Vanced." Shocker! 🤣 As the old saying goes,"There's no such thing as victims, only volunteers." Thanks for the clip and God bless! 😎🎸👍 P.S. is the Dewalt lighter? Surely it is. 21700 cell batteries weigh like boat anchors!🤣
I saw the video of that guy that you show here on his channel. After 3 minutes i close the video, the way he talk it's like he has something against dewalt...
18v 1.5-5ah batteries are all we need for light construction hand tools. Any modern 18v impact with an extra on the charger will sink 3" screws all day. Makita needs to use this 40v platform to compete with the sawstop.
Well Clint, Ill say the new powerstack Battery looks to be pretty impressive for power to weight ratio. Im a Dewalt platform guy that uses 885s professionally all day long with 4ah batteries for building outdoor structures installing a lot of Torx 40 5/16" lag fasteners that range up to 6" long. I need decent power and longevity out of my batteries and if this new power stack tech can give me the performance of my 4ah batts while lightening up the impact that will be awesome for all day use for sure. Now I love my Dewalt stuff for its proven durability and performance on the job but im certianly not going to say Dewalt tools are better then Makita tools. Ill just say they get the job done for me and dont hurt the bank account as much as Makita tools would. I woulnt deny salivating over some shweet shweet Makita tools every now and then though (X lock grinder)🤤
Haha awesome video. I pre ordered my powerstack batteries, looking forward to getting them. I'm curious how they work on the power detect and flexvolt tools, compared to the flexvolt and 8amp bat.
Great video! I'm all Dewalt myself. Would you recommend upgrading from my 887 for the 850, or should I just wait until the more powerful non-Atomic impact gets released?
Stay with the 887 unless you absolutely need to compactness of the 850. Performance wise the 887 still wins. I'm also waiting for the next XR impact driver from DeWalt to see if it can beat the Milwaukee gen 3, the Flex or the Kobalt XTR.
Stick with the XR. I did “upgrade” and I went thru two dcf850 in month in a half. it is a nice tool but it won’t last that long if you use it for heavy duty tasks at commercial projects. that’s what happened to my crew. We even didn’t went back to 887 but to Milwaukee Gen 3 impact 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤣
That's just bad manners, inviting someone out and then treating them like that! Come out here to the Philly burbs sometime, none of that Very Cruel Gang shenanigans in the Philly Fixed garage!
You are confusing power with energy. 40V battery gives you better efficiency when extracting the energy from that battery, but it does not give you a more powerful motor or transmission.
I like'em both, I have been using dewalt for over 10 years. I dont care about the smaller size as much. Im more interested in how long that little power stack last for and can it go in saws? It says it will last, but I want to see it.
Be skeptical. If it’s anything similar to the chemistry of RC Lipos, running it hard on a job site is going to give it half the life of a normal battery with cylindrical cells. My main concern is the instability of Lipos. If I’m using a Lipo I’m charging it with a programmable charger not some tool brand charger that just pumps current in the battery to try to charge it as fast as possible. Sometimes charging smaller batteries much faster than they should be. Now the regular chargers are fine but the fast Milwaukee charger is insanely fast to the point where you need to do the math on which of your packs should be safe to charge in a rapid charger.
Not much point in a 40v if theyre using the same guts as the 20volts. Key difference will be the run time and ability to run bigger tools with a smaller battery. Currently milwaukee needs a 12amp battery to run theyre big saws while the makita only needs a 4.
March can't come fast enough for me as that's when they are going on sale in the UK, I've already pre-orderd mine with 2×2ah powerstack batteries, the new charger, Tstack case and the almighty dcf850 for £299 😁
Alright, let’s get serious now! Hey yo Clint !!! These new Power Stack batteries are what everyone should be talking about, because if they prove safe and reliable, and they can be produced with higher Ah ratings, which I believe they can, it WILL be an Industry changer! They seem to act a little like the NiMh batteries of yore, in a way, and like a turbo charged version of Li Ion in another? Now I’m a Makita guy, as well as a DeWalt user. But this really irritates me since for four years the Makita techs and reps have told me they wouldn’t produce a throng greater than a 6.0 18 volt battery, due to their fast charge times, and the fact the typical user, “ doesn’t want to be carrying around a tool with a big and heavy battery.” And now they release this 40 Volt line, and stick that huge arse battery on a small impact! REALLY Makita ??? I just used my XDT14 (?) three speed impact, and loved the ability to run it slow, and be able to get up into a confined space. Light, smooth, and easy on the arm and wrist, can be important on a full day on the jobsite! My 2 cents... You were a Gentleman Clint! You took it all in stride! Actually was a decent video. 👍👍👍👍👍✌🏻😀🌲🍺🔨⭐
People never talk about battery durability, we don’t know about those powerstack durability. But what we know is that makita care about making things that last long and for a professional it means more money in your pockets. I am a shower and bathtub installers and I worked with dewalt for a couple of years and every single year I had to replace tools and batteries . I am with makita for 4 years now and I didn’t replace any batteries and only 1 tools after 4 years of daily abuse that hell of a difference. Dewalt cordless is not a professional grade made to be abused like milwaukee makita and hilti
My 36v makita tools have plenty of power and last forever. 40v has comparable power, but doesn’t last very long. I’d rather use the 36v system, but try as I might, I couldn’t get the 36v track saw and went with the 40v.
I personally don’t like big bulky tools so unless I need the power of m18 I run mainly m12 fuel and everybody kept going on about the 18-20v subcompact but the batteries that come with those suck so when you put on a bigger ah battery to truly beat m12 fuel you lose a lot of the compactness but know cause of power stack it’s going punches with huge tools with huge batteries and has me thinking maybe I might need to get some compact and atomic dewalt with these power stack batteries cause of how light and compact they remain
It’s all about the amps not voltage….. the stack battery is a lipo and is able to deliver the amps better than a normal cells, this is the reason why telsa went tabless to increase the flow of electrons.
@@ToolReviewZone right on! No ones done that yet, so if I'm getting the same amount of work done with the 30 2.0's that I own, why would I spend money on that new new battery
Clint Clint Clint, what a great vid with friends. Oh, always fun and great to have a rival, as helps ya be better, and keeps ya going forward; and you can be great friends with “pour “rival”, contrary to what some may think/say😉. Would be funny if during tool tests they did slick up fasteners with butter, grease, wax, and heck….honey and syrup would be funny too. Would definitely give a new meaning to “sloppy bits”🤣🤣 Great fun vid and glad to see ya at VCG. Happy Holidays 😊
Great video Clint as always.....I love Dewalt great tool mate I'm going to invest in this 850 atomic... Why does Vance wear them silly glasses all the time I bet you he even goes bed in them lol 😎😎😎😎
You'll really like it Carl. That said, he went swimming immediately after we filmed this, so he decided to wear his swimming goggles while we did the tool duel 🤣
Can't wait for Dewalt to come out with Flexvolt Powerstack at 6ah and 9ah level, hopefully they will be more compact than current versions. Their weight and size is their only downside in my book.
If someone can answer me this. Does higher voltage mean that the tool has much mote rpm and torgue ,or the 40v tools are only to keep working for much longer period?
I don't understand how you can have an objective comparison between products if there are two different operators with different physical characteristics.
Everyone make sure the smush that like button to show Clint how much you love the channel or he'll unleash the Makita gnomes on you hahaha
That Makita Gnome don't play bro!!!
The xgt impact is so cool for the modes. I use them all the time. Speed is beneficial for huge lag bolts or thick screws if you’re doing them all day. On avg I’m not holding the trigger down all the way. The makita has a function that starts slow and doesn’t speed up until it feels torque is needed, which is awesome. It also has a function where it sinks drywall screws to the exact depth. It’s unreal. The xgt impact is a jack of all trades and in my opinion a master of all trades
Sounds about right for a company which makes actually quality tools
Yea makita has better over all impact cuz the modes but dewalt has the variable trigger as well. I never go balls the wall. Really only thing dewalt is lacking is more modes but I think is almost their thing at this point for the people that prefer simple tools.
@@8bitsamurai6 makita has variable trigger as well in all modes
@@colekidd2 Yea, I was just stating that most the top end impacts have a similar trigger. But the makita is really nice cuz of the extra modes and the feel in the hand.
yes, exactly, Makita trigger is unbelievable I can use in very low speeds. Don't matter that is 20V or 40V because this small tools don't require a lot of power. But for grinder, man, the 40V is way superior of 20V, i have both.
The reality for me is that basically any major brand drill is going to get the job done these days. For driving screws, 40v isn't going to give you some huge advantage over 20v. The drill is going to use the same amount of watts, whcih the 20v is capable of providing.
The advantage of the 40v makita is that it uses the same batteries as the other 40v makita tools that you presumably need or already have. The advantage of the dewalt is that if you wanted to use similarly higher voltage tools the flexvolt means you don't have to buy a 60v drill to use the battery for both tools.
But as drivers alone, they're gonna basically be the same.
I think this is one of the 40v Makita tools that's just a slightly upgraded version of the 18v. From watching the comparisons, it's the tools that were completely redesigned for 40v that have been really impressive. Although all of the top impacts are already snapping adapters, so there's not much benefit to more power at this point.
Crazy how small that dewalt is though.
Yeah, impact drivers are limited by 6.3mm bits,kinda no point to put more power into it than a bit can handle (the best bits and adapters ,not crap ones) . Impact Wrenches are another story and the new makita xgt one is brutal
@b gg not true. You have to look at the max amperage per cell. With higher voltages you can use cells that have more mah but less max amp discharge . The 20v batteries often use all the amps they can get , at 40v you need 50% the amperage of a 20v system. So the 40v system is a bypass to the max amp drag from the cells. You need a series motor in a drill to reach max discharge of a 40v battery pack . Thats why the new redisigned drill and 1/2impact wrench are destroying the competion....
No one cheated. They are both equally impressive. How long can they keep it up would be the defining moment.
That's really just going to come down to which drill is using a higher WH battery. In this case, the makita is 160wh while the dewalt is only 40wh. The makita would drill roughly 4x as many screws. This doesn't mean the makita is better than the dewalt, just that they used very different batteries in this video.
@@caramelzappa By the numbers the Makita should do 4x more, but in real life usage a lot more. The XGT series are made to dynamically adjust power delivery to the tool, when you start using them you will soon notice that the 90wh battery (36v 2.5ah) will do more work than an 18v 5ah 90wh battery. Only with a permanent very heavy load will the consumption be fairly equal but then ohms law come into play, the higher the voltage the lower the current, and the lower the current the lower the transmission loss. You see this factor at play with 40v impact wrenches that are more powerful than their 18v near identical twins
All of them big 4, Makita, Milwaukee, dewalt, Bosch are making great tools. No one is better then others. I like tools.
It looks like the DeWalt was a little better (Makita fan here) so my only question is what about weight and ergonomics, which one feels better using it? I started out with DeWalt and they served me well, when I switched to Makita I found the hours I was using my impact driver was just more comfortable.
The Dewalt is way lighter. Can't even feel it in your hands. It's impressive to say the least Matt 👊
@@ToolReviewZone thanks👊
I think there are more objective ways rather than push it down by hand..
out of those two- Milwaukee 😁
8:55 Oh wow, did Vince just imply Clint was “heavy”🤔 wow🤣
After seeing these tests from everyone and testing the new tools as well, it’s exciting to see what will come down the pipeline from other brands next year, and Milwaukee…..don’t mind a stacked pack of batteries, but if change the 18v/12v platform & contacts to something else where EVERYONES Tools won’t be compatible, ain’t no one gonna be happy. DeWalt did a good thing with these power stack batteries and making them compatible with all their 20v tools👍🏻👍🏻
It's just "baby fat." 🤣
Dewalt definitely did it right with the power stack brother. Appreciate the comment Aepek!!!!
@@meagaindave2049 no it's what I say I'm just big boned
Great test, only thing I think is missing is the battery lifespan. Which one would last longer driving fasteners?
2 Heavyweight channels that Always entertain! Nice. Looking forward to a real tool duel. 👍👍👍
Tool Duels coming Ape!!!
The dewalt dcf850 is a little beast been happy with mine been waiting to get my power stack batteries just not here yet the 40v makita I'd beastly especially there impact Wrenches 3/4 pushing out 1000 plus foot pounds whaaaaaa hope you been well Clint Brother merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you and your family from me and My Family @ToolReviewZone
Just wait until you try it with the POWERSTACK brother
I didn't realize how small Vince really is; not until he was standing side by side with a real man. No wonder he has to be loud all the time. He has the New Jersey little man complex. He craves the attention. Clint, how much was that battery?
Lmfao 🤣🤣 this is so wrong but so Right but so Funny
@@AntonioClaudioMichael he's still taller then Katt Williams & Kevin Hart 😂😆
@@bluemantom77 lmfao true dat
Pygmy height 🤣
Bury me deep, I'm dead hahahaha
I was so exited when the original video came on on VCG construction…..I’m sorry there is nothing better than when my two favorite tool toober get together. Nothing tops a video that features both Claude, and Vance!!!!! Whaaaaaaat !!!!!! Amazing …… now that’s real nice like cuzbo!!!!!!!
I’m crushed…Vance was cheating 😭…his image is forever tarnished for me… on this day the bar was forever lowered 😉. Seriously hard to get your head around the Dewalt being right there power wise with the Makita…I have the gen 3.5 fuel impact however either of these look like quality pieces if your on that battery platform. Thx for the video and the entertainment you guys are hilarious!
It's truly hurtful how he acted not just towards me, but the audience that drive in to meet him. 😪
As a daily user of my 18V Makita impact, and my dad uses a Dewalt impact, there are differences that no one addresses in reviews. Trigger control. The Dewalt has more “power” and speed than my Makita, but my Makita gets more done in the day because I can feather the trigger. Doing work with vinyl, if the bit jumps out of the fastener it makes a huge divot in the vinyl. The Dewalt is NOT a good choice if you are doing any screw driving that requires less than full full trigger. Both the Dewalt and Makita impacts are great tools, but Dewalt lacks control ability.
I have tried an older 18v Dewalt impact and I've found the same, the Dewalt did not have the same slow speed control that my Makita impact had which made it to start off smaller screws. Power is not everything.
I haven't tried the latest Dewalt impacts so I do not know if Dewalt has improved in this area
Day one Makita XGT 40v impact driver still going strong and long.
Haven’t used another impact driver since.
👊🏻👊🏻
Thank you for the video!
It really is the most ergonomically plasing impact i have ever used
Never got into Makita for power, got into the line because they are comfortable, take abuse last long, and have all the power you need. I left DeWalt because it seems they sacrifice build quality and tool life for power
I believe Makita made the XGT to reach higher power for equipment style tools. They are building out that lineup to be able to get a contractor on one battery system to everything from 1/4" impact drivers up to things like cordless 2" roto-hammers, 28lb breakers, 10 1/4" circ saws etc. Will Dewalt have those types of tools with the power stack? Also running 1 or 10 screws doesn't seem to be a very good test other than a drag race style of test. Need to put them through the ringer and do equal watt hours and see which does more fasteners.
To reach deeper to you pocket.
@@dr00spikeee nobody is forcing you to buy, welcome to free market capitalism
@@bigshoots1181 haha yes you have right since crazy xgt I prefer hikoki multivolt, m18 from milwaukee , flexvolt from dewalt and all fully backward compatible whith many times better performance ;) depending of the tools range xgt is the big mistake.
@@dr00spikeee i personally don't know, i think they are all pretty great, we'll see what happens as makita pumps out more 40v tools, im leaning towards it as i don't have a current battery platform but waiting to see by end of the year which to go with.
The 10-1/4” saw is amazing, I have it and it’s got ridiculous power, empties batteries like they’re nothing though
I’m stoked I picked up that 850, at first I wasn’t really diggin it but after seeing what it can do with those new lithiums…. Damnnnnn she pushin big numbers. I’d almost say she’s pushin 8ah numbers which is just crazyyyy but I’m happy cuz after an 8hr day using ur impact all day being more compact without evening losing a bit of power is what I really needed. My triple hammer still is my favorite impact driver overall but this one is def a close second. Great vid bro!
Awesomeness 👊
Here's what I think gets lost on a lot of people, but it's a lesson I learned when I used to sell audio components when I was young. The formula for wattage is current (amps) x voltage (volts) = wattage. Companies like Sony would come out with a 100 Watt receiver, for example, but a Harman Kardon receiver rated at 70 watts was much more powerful. How could this be? Easy. Volts are like a garden hose, and current is analogous to the water that flows through it. Certainly a firehose can deliver more water (current) than a garden hose, but what if you have two hoses that are ten foot and 15 foot wide in diameter respectively? Many tools are not designed to use 40 volts or 60 volts (or more if you double up on batteries). What matters is how much current the tools are using. Manufacturer can make their equipment seem more powerful by upping the voltage rating but in all actuality they could use less current. Just like Sony, Makita, DeWalt, and others have used the same trickery.
I’m surprised you didn’t go down the path of basic electronics you dodged mentioning RMS values ! Just like quoting flywheel hp doesn’t mean you get that power onto the road because of drivetrain loses
The powerstack is lipo and the 40v is li-ion. Its apples and oranges. The Lipo has a higher c-rating which means it will always deliver more power than a li-ion. An analogy: Li-ion is using a straw to deliver power, Lipo is using a firehose. Faster recharge and Discharge, so you will have to put it on the charger way more often but it will be ready to go in 1/4 the time.
In this case you dont have any comparison with dewalt so it means the same. Still best baterry in market
DEfinitely not apples and oranges comparison! LiPo and LiIon use both Lithium based and use the same approach to deliver current. Also a single cell LiPo has the same voltage at rest / charged as a single cell LiIon (3.6 to 4.2V). The main difference is the electrolyte material.
Hi Clint, I’m happy to see you worked it out with Vince, love this video, I want this 850,
Fred!!!! I wish that was the case, but he ended up sending mean text messages to me after I left. I can't repeat what they said as I try to keep this channel family friendly 😪
You know that the 40 volt makita has the same motor as 18 volt impact just wait til makita puts out a new 40 volt impact
I never realized how short the Makita gnome was in real life until now.
Would love to use that powerstack on the dcf840. Would prolly have won every test. Either way i still like the atomic i have both. I use them daily and i like having 2 impacts anyways so i dont have to switch bits as much lol. Overkill i guess but i love tools so idc. Only thing is the 840 definitely heats up faster then the atomic with repetitive work so im giving it a break more. So with that said if i was going to have just 1 i would choose the atomic
Awesome feedback 277
If I had either platform I would stick to it, not jump ship. It looks like the DeWalt is light weight & if using it for along time, your wrist wouldn’t be sore compared the heavy weight. I have a Metabo with 36V/18V 4An battery, it doesn’t take long for my wrist to start hurting. Thanks for the information and making me 😀.👍
That little atomic and power stack battery is a beast. Wow.
They are awesome 👌
Not a Dewalt guy really but I like the Dewalt it’s compatible with the current system I like the loyalty Dewalt is showing to their base by not making them invest in a new platform. And honestly pound for pound the size Weight and cost investing into a new platform compared to the difference in performance doesn’t justify it. If you run Makita and that’s your tool you’re going to go for it if you’re completely indifferent and looking to invest into a platform I don’t see somebody grabbing the Makita.
Agreed Steffen. Great feedback 👍
DeWalt is showing innovation without taking away from their core clients kind of what they did with the 18 volt line they made an adapter and so that you can use the 20 volt so if you still have those tools you can use this battery as long as you have that adapter just make sure it's xr line the motors in those Nicad tools are on beast mode 📳 especially if you have that three speed dc925 for old school that's got a lot of chooch
I have the 925. Still a great tool! The backwards compatibility is one of the reasons I have stuck with DeWalt.
Also, AFAIK, Dewalt doesn't have a BS BMS brick-function, so you can actually fix or upgrade your battery packs.
Oh, you know the comments are coming with this one! First, thanks for the fantastic tool duel! Second, I was starting to think you and Vance were the same person since I've never seen you in the same place at the same time. Third, either you're 6'7" or that vcg guy is like 5'1", cuz you look like a giant next to him!
In all seriousness, I truly love the good spirited banter the two of you have and how you both include us in on the joke. Thanks for that!
One last thing...it's December. I must have missed your shop tour 🧐
Hahaha, I'm 7'2" 😏 I've been slacking on the shop tour, but I promise once I clean the mess I'll have it up. Been traveling a bit to much lately
@@ToolReviewZone Nuthin but love my brother!
@@ToolReviewZone Vince is a Rocky fans she's the movie and thinks he can win at anything lol I'm 6 ft I don't even care you guys are the best two tests raw sucks with out you and Vince you both make it better keep busting each other's chops you making my stomach hurt I'm laughing so hard
Battery time witch one die 1st?
why don't you two ever test the makita dtd172? are you waiting for it to hit the US market first? I'm assuming you only test the tools available in the US
Bought Makita in 2006. 1.5ah batteries. Still as good as new 17 years later. This year, I’ve heard Milwaukee is on top, but opinions change every year…
Its not fair, Vince was working off his knees vs you everytime 😅🤣😂, its much harder to drill for him.
Hahahahaha, Elite 🤣🤣👊👊
I have the high torque makita impact, it's a beast, twisted my lugnut posts right off without me noticing, now I have to figure out if there's anything I'll ever actually need it for, would love to need it
Im a DeWalt guy now. I switched from Makita. I’m happy with my Decision. Now I’m waiting for those PowerStack Batteries.
The Makita 40 votl stuff is real Nass like. I have the hammer drill and I plan to get the impact too.
Yeah, still a great tool brother 👊👊
Thank you for the video next one craftsman cmcf820 with a 4 AH battery vs dewalt dcf850 with a 4 Ah battery
Yo TRZ! I'm actually surprised the 40v (intended for torque, not speed) held it's own vs the newest 20v power stack battery on driving drywall fasteners. 😲 As far as the cheating goes, bro, you signed up and put forth the effort to go to the den and got "Vanced." Shocker! 🤣 As the old saying goes,"There's no such thing as victims, only volunteers." Thanks for the clip and God bless! 😎🎸👍
P.S. is the Dewalt lighter? Surely it is. 21700 cell batteries weigh like boat anchors!🤣
Hahahaha, definitely got vanced!!!! 🤣 . Yeah bro, definitely lighter than the Makita. You can barely even feel the Dewalt in hand
I saw the video of that guy that you show here on his channel.
After 3 minutes i close the video, the way he talk it's like he has something against dewalt...
Will the powerstack DeWalt battery charge when it's below zero?
18v 1.5-5ah batteries are all we need for light construction hand tools. Any modern 18v impact with an extra on the charger will sink 3" screws all day. Makita needs to use this 40v platform to compete with the sawstop.
I just bought my first known brand power tool and it scares me how powerful they are, I almost break my wrist 🤣
Well Clint, Ill say the new powerstack Battery looks to be pretty impressive for power to weight ratio. Im a Dewalt platform guy that uses 885s professionally all day long with 4ah batteries for building outdoor structures installing a lot of Torx 40 5/16" lag fasteners that range up to 6" long. I need decent power and longevity out of my batteries and if this new power stack tech can give me the performance of my 4ah batts while lightening up the impact that will be awesome for all day use for sure. Now I love my Dewalt stuff for its proven durability and performance on the job but im certianly not going to say Dewalt tools are better then Makita tools. Ill just say they get the job done for me and dont hurt the bank account as much as Makita tools would. I woulnt deny salivating over some shweet shweet Makita tools every now and then though
(X lock grinder)🤤
Haha, thanks for the awesome comment Sean 👊👊👊
Does the power stack improve the previous gen tools too?
Only if they don’t catch 🔥 first 😂
Way too funny you and Vance and now I finally know what VCG means.
Thanks for the entertainment, I mean educating
Hahaha, thanks brother. I was also unaware of what it stood for, but now we all know 🤣🤣🤣👊
@@ToolReviewZone thanks Clint, appreciate your reviews all the way from land down under, Australia. I must now go and tend to my kangaroos
That's awesome brother, and I appreciate the support 👊👊👊
Haha awesome video. I pre ordered my powerstack batteries, looking forward to getting them. I'm curious how they work on the power detect and flexvolt tools, compared to the flexvolt and 8amp bat.
Unfortunately they won't work on the FLEXVOLT tools 😪
@@ToolReviewZone got it. Thanks!
Vegan cookie recipe, mix 2 cup of flour with 1/2 pound of grass and 2 cups of water and 4 cups of sugar. Bake on 400 degrees for 20 minutes.
Hahaha
I’m a huge makita fan with loads of different tools by them but that Dewalt impact size and weight looks YUMMY!!
Only two or three times the cost too I’m sure!
Great video! I'm all Dewalt myself. Would you recommend upgrading from my 887 for the 850, or should I just wait until the more powerful non-Atomic impact gets released?
Stay with the 887 unless you absolutely need to compactness of the 850.
Performance wise the 887 still wins.
I'm also waiting for the next XR impact driver from DeWalt to see if it can beat the Milwaukee gen 3, the Flex or the Kobalt XTR.
If it's still running good for you, I'd just stick with it, but I really do love this and was never a fan of the 887 Mike
Stick with the XR. I did “upgrade” and I went thru two dcf850 in month in a half. it is a nice tool but it won’t last that long if you use it for heavy duty tasks at commercial projects. that’s what happened to my crew. We even didn’t went back to 887 but to Milwaukee Gen 3 impact 🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤣
That's just bad manners, inviting someone out and then treating them like that! Come out here to the Philly burbs sometime, none of that Very Cruel Gang shenanigans in the Philly Fixed garage!
You are confusing power with energy. 40V battery gives you better efficiency when extracting the energy from that battery, but it does not give you a more powerful motor or transmission.
Most people do not understand it all.
I like'em both, I have been using dewalt for over 10 years. I dont care about the smaller size as much. Im more interested in how long that little power stack last for and can it go in saws? It says it will last, but I want to see it.
Be skeptical. If it’s anything similar to the chemistry of RC Lipos, running it hard on a job site is going to give it half the life of a normal battery with cylindrical cells.
My main concern is the instability of Lipos. If I’m using a Lipo I’m charging it with a programmable charger not some tool brand charger that just pumps current in the battery to try to charge it as fast as possible. Sometimes charging smaller batteries much faster than they should be.
Now the regular chargers are fine but the fast Milwaukee charger is insanely fast to the point where you need to do the math on which of your packs should be safe to charge in a rapid charger.
Not much point in a 40v if theyre using the same guts as the 20volts. Key difference will be the run time and ability to run bigger tools with a smaller battery. Currently milwaukee needs a 12amp battery to run theyre big saws while the makita only needs a 4.
March can't come fast enough for me as that's when they are going on sale in the UK, I've already pre-orderd mine with 2×2ah powerstack batteries, the new charger, Tstack case and the almighty dcf850 for £299 😁
Alright, let’s get serious now!
Hey yo Clint !!!
These new Power Stack batteries are what everyone should be talking about, because if they prove safe and reliable, and they can be produced with higher Ah ratings, which I believe they can, it WILL be an Industry changer! They seem to act a little like the NiMh batteries of yore, in a way, and like a turbo charged version of Li Ion in another?
Now I’m a Makita guy, as well as a DeWalt user. But this really irritates me since for four years the Makita techs and reps have told me they wouldn’t produce a throng greater than a 6.0 18 volt battery, due to their fast charge times, and the fact the typical user, “ doesn’t want to be carrying around a tool with a big and heavy battery.” And now they release this 40 Volt line, and stick that huge arse battery on a small impact! REALLY Makita ???
I just used my XDT14 (?) three speed impact, and loved the ability to run it slow, and be able to get up into a confined space. Light, smooth, and easy on the arm and wrist, can be important on a full day on the jobsite! My 2 cents...
You were a Gentleman Clint! You took it all in stride! Actually was a decent video.
👍👍👍👍👍✌🏻😀🌲🍺🔨⭐
Hahaha, Amazing Comment George 👏
Durability, Longevity,ergonomics and the lithium cell battery quality is really what makes a difference.
This is the funniest video I’ve seen all year. Facin’ down your nemesis and WINNING. That’s real nas like!
Hahaha, that's awesome
Will the 12v line get powerstack?
People never talk about battery durability, we don’t know about those powerstack durability. But what we know is that makita care about making things that last long and for a professional it means more money in your pockets. I am a shower and bathtub installers and I worked with dewalt for a couple of years and every single year I had to replace tools and batteries . I am with makita for 4 years now and I didn’t replace any batteries and only 1 tools after 4 years of daily abuse that hell of a difference. Dewalt cordless is not a professional grade made to be abused like milwaukee makita and hilti
My 36v makita tools have plenty of power and last forever. 40v has comparable power, but doesn’t last very long. I’d rather use the 36v system, but try as I might, I couldn’t get the 36v track saw and went with the 40v.
I personally don’t like big bulky tools so unless I need the power of m18 I run mainly m12 fuel and everybody kept going on about the 18-20v subcompact but the batteries that come with those suck so when you put on a bigger ah battery to truly beat m12 fuel you lose a lot of the compactness but know cause of power stack it’s going punches with huge tools with huge batteries and has me thinking maybe I might need to get some compact and atomic dewalt with these power stack batteries cause of how light and compact they remain
I like my Makita for battery tools. Always and always will. But the Dewalt planners and table saws are better than Makita in my opinion.
Dewalt saws are my fave
DeWalt is the only option with their flexvolt machines and batteries that can be used on all their 18/20v - 54/60v tools
It’s all about the amps not voltage….. the stack battery is a lipo and is able to deliver the amps better than a normal cells, this is the reason why telsa went tabless to increase the flow of electrons.
Dewalt's got it all the way that was real nice like! good job DeWalt blow them out of the water.
Any chance you can give us a real life run test with the new power stack vs a 2.0, with a drill, how many holes each battery will drill?
That's a lot of holes hahaha. I'm going to see if I can hook it up to a blower 👊
@@ToolReviewZone right on! No ones done that yet, so if I'm getting the same amount of work done with the 30 2.0's that I own, why would I spend money on that new new battery
Clint Clint Clint, what a great vid with friends. Oh, always fun and great to have a rival, as helps ya be better, and keeps ya going forward; and you can be great friends with “pour “rival”, contrary to what some may think/say😉.
Would be funny if during tool tests they did slick up fasteners with butter, grease, wax, and heck….honey and syrup would be funny too.
Would definitely give a new meaning to “sloppy bits”🤣🤣
Great fun vid and glad to see ya at VCG.
Happy Holidays 😊
I still can't believe he did that bro. I'm just happy that I was able to get footage of it 😌
I honestly don’t understand the cheating part. But both of the drills seem really close. But the dewalt definitely looked alittle faster.
Great video Clint as always.....I love Dewalt great tool mate I'm going to invest in this 850 atomic... Why does Vance wear them silly glasses all the time I bet you he even goes bed in them lol 😎😎😎😎
You'll really like it Carl. That said, he went swimming immediately after we filmed this, so he decided to wear his swimming goggles while we did the tool duel 🤣
The Makita gnome and Vince collaborated together on putting butter on your screws. Not good Clint!
They are definitely in cahoots brother
The technology in power stack is cool however longevity is still something to check back on.
Can't wait for Dewalt to come out with Flexvolt Powerstack at 6ah and 9ah level, hopefully they will be more compact than current versions. Their weight and size is their only downside in my book.
That would be awesome if they did!!!
"vegan cookies good" - always did wonder what VCG stood for lmao. Got em!
Hahahaha, just happy I was able to find out brother
Vegan Cookies Good...LOL. Vance still wears his googles. SO FUNNY!!!
It's crazy bro, but I found that he has an indoor above ground inflatable pool in the shop. It all makes sense now brother
@@ToolReviewZone I guess he doesn't like getting chlorine in his when he swims. I get it now.
dewalt jimmy has to watch this as you have zero problems with the white barrier and jimmy can't not hit it hahahaha
That damn this was a pain. It's crazy how anxious you get when you hear them counting down and ready to saybgo on camera. I'm not a fan 🤣
Your gut said not to trust a guy in swim goggles yet you ignored your gut and you get Vanced. A story as old as time.
Hahahahahaha
Lol rubs butter around the screws 🤣🤣thats where the slippy bits comes from
And now we know Mic 😠
What's the weight between them?
I got this dewalt 850 impact so I'm more of dewalt fan but I use different brands milwaukee dewalt mastercraft etc
Love my DeWalts but I did buy a Mikita 36 rear handle circ saw. Works great for me.
The Makita rear handle is a great saw👊
Clint : " Why do I smell popcorn? "
Hahaha, all that extra butter brother 🤣 😂
Yeah, Vance, "VEGAN" is DEFINITELY SO SALTY. And, I do think that he cheated as well.
Hahaha, 💯
Aside from the actual testing, this was hilarious.
Haha, thanks Lisa 🤣🤣👊👊
This was an awesome collaboration with you and Vince this was real nice like
Thanks Jeffrey 👊👊👊
A nice bit of comedy with Vence from Ventriloquists Chewing Gum Construction.
Both you guys are awesome, keep up the good work 👏
Tha ks brother
All I gotta say, send Vance some cheese and wine would you. Black-n-Yellow baby.
Everyone loves to see real scientists at work
Entertaining on every level!!! Tool review and comedy!!!
Awesome!!!!!
😎🛠️😎🛠️😎 I thought VCG stood for vasectomy cut guys 😂🤣😂
Hahahahahaha. And that 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everyone is gangstaa until Milwaukee is coming after that everyone is quiet
“Vance” …. Lol 😂
If someone can answer me this. Does higher voltage mean that the tool has much mote rpm and torgue ,or the 40v tools are only to keep working for much longer period?
Can you test garage door driller fastening speed?
In my experience, working in construction, the dewalt battery dies too quick.
How about a mini blower run time test.
I don't understand how you can have an objective comparison between products if there are two different operators with different physical characteristics.
I'll be waiting to see what you come up with to figure this problem out 👊
Does anyone compare the longevity?
I already have the 850 so I just need the power stack to go into beast mode.
Lmfao at Vegan Cookies Good @ToolReviewZone
Very strange name if you ask me 🤔
@@ToolReviewZone yeah it is 🤔 must of been out of a cracker jack Box 😳🤣🤣