I use this exact method in Scotland. One thing to add to this system is after the waters potable in the blue cnoc before you detach the sawyer turn it upside down and squeeze the blue bag to back flush instantly. Saves carrying that syringe mate 🏴👍🏻
Love the CNOC bags. Tip: You don't need the plunger. Just connect your smart water bottle (or clean bag) to the coupler and back flush. I also just hang the bag by sliding the hole over a tiny branch.
It’s amazing how much water filtration as come from then till now. Once we filled are bottles and platypus bags and added I’m not sure what it was honestly it took a hour to be safe to drink
They still do that as the standard. Micropur (chlorine dioxide) tablets are still handed out at resupply locations. But filtering is quicker and also reliable. It isn't necessary to bring a filter to Philmont but it can be a convenience...
Philmont has MicroPure at the food drop sites, and they send you out of base camp with them. Strong stuff. Leaves a little taste. But it's just their way. I think I only used my filter once or twice the last time I went to Philmont. Weird, Northern Tier used Polar Pure instead.
Informative presentation just what I was looking for. While I was watching this, it occurred to me that you can use a sawyer bag, that usually package together, as the clean water bag, if you already have one.
My only concern is the strength of large opening of the clean bag supporting the weight of the water during the filter process. The design of the cnoc bag is for the large open end to remain upright. This side of the bag is the weakest because well...it's open. Even the connector is just pinching the ends closed. It concerns me that over a short amount of time the weight of the water will cause a leak in the clean bag.
In all the time I've spent with it... I've never had it leak from the wide end. Often I fill the bag up and strap it to my pack and it does great. That's just my experience though...
When hiking, do you use your CNOC Vecto to carry water inside your pack? I thought this being a container that water goes in, meant for the backpacking crowd, that it's a no-brainer to say "yes" to this question... yet CNOC themselves, on their 2022 FAQ specifically say they "don’t recommend putting your full Vecto inside your pack if you’re concerned about leaking"!!! So what the heck? I don't get it. A water bladder for hiking that you CAN'T put in your pack if there's water in it???
@@AndyParrishOutdoors The heaviest items (i.e. almost ALWAYS water) is supposed to be carried as close to your back as possible, and centered (helps with everything from balance to muscle strain). GREAT if it works for you, but still against pretty well set backpacking mantra (kinda like a manufacturer saying you shouldn't store your water container inside your pack lol ;)
If you're using the Sawyer cleaning coupling, SP150, you won't need to carry the back-flushing syringe. Just attach a Smart Water bottle or your clean water bag filled with clean water to the exit port, then squeeze to back-flush. You get a lot more pressure then you would using the syringe and you drop a few grams by leaving it behind.
Cnoc bags are the best. But two things... get rid of the Nalgene bottles and switch to smart water bottles. Nalgene bottles are too bulky and heavy for backpacking. Also throw away that syringe. Just use the smart water bottle Sports cap nozzle to connect with the back flush end of the filter.
Since this posted, I've changed a few items. I typically use smartwater bottles. If I have a drink mix (like at Philmont), I take a Gatorade bottle. I don't carry the plunger either. I also use evernew bottles occasionally when I need extra storage with lighter weight.
Yes, I was disappointed in the audio and have debated doing an update anyway as a few updates have occurred, but also to capture better audio too... Thanks for watching anyway!
Andy Parrish Outdoors I’ve been using the Sawyer Squeeze as it came in the mail. Today I ordered a CNOC bag and in town I picked up 6’ of 1/4” tubing. I’m hoping to set it up as a gravity system.
No. For viruses you can use chlorine dioxide tablets or drops. It kills viruses in a matter of minutes. Chemicals and pesticides are a totally different challenge.
That is disappointing. Which end was it leaking from? I never had any issues with that. Here is Cnoc's advice to get a good seal. ua-cam.com/video/1beu02PMB_8/v-deo.html . Also, contact Cnoc. They have been great with customer service.
@@AndyParrishOutdoors the connection where the dirty water attached to my sawyer squeeze. Dunno maybe I could try plumbers tape or something. Probably would of worked better if they had a gasket or something. I don't see that issue with the sawyer bags so I think its just the bags aren't a perfect match for the filter threads. Or of course sawyer could of tweaked the threads to encourage people to buy their bags instead as a possibility.
Cnoc says that the measurement of the threads exactly fits the Sawyer squeeze... Per their website: "The Vecto is designed to have a perfect fit with the Sawyer filters, be it the Sawyer Squeeze , Sawyer Mini, or Saywer Micro. You should just make sure your filters have fully functional rubber washers to prevent leaks. You can also use the Sawyer Coupling or a Tornado Tube to create a gravity filtering system."
@@AndyParrishOutdoors saw that and its why I bought it. also saw many posts all over from folks with the same issue. was hoping for working out of the box. might be able to try caulking the leaks or wrapping with flex tape. tempted to throw in the garbage and get a different option tho.
you talk to quiet for how loud you have the music. I turned up the TV so I can hear you and had to scramble for the remote when the damn music started.
Sorry about the audio. I was not so skilled back then and although I was happy with the content, I was not happy with the audio at all when I got home that day. The good news is that I am working on an updated video with some gear improvements and (wait for it...) upgraded audio. Thanks for giving it a try. hopefully you'll give the channel a look again sometime. Thanks for watching.
I use this exact method in Scotland. One thing to add to this system is after the waters potable in the blue cnoc before you detach the sawyer turn it upside down and squeeze the blue bag to back flush instantly. Saves carrying that syringe mate 🏴👍🏻
A good tip! Thanks for watching.
Love the CNOC bags. Tip: You don't need the plunger. Just connect your smart water bottle (or clean bag) to the coupler and back flush. I also just hang the bag by sliding the hole over a tiny branch.
Thanks Andy! An ingenious and practical enhancement to the Sawyer Squeeze gravity setup. I will be using your system on my upcoming trip.
Cnoc 3L plus sawyer squeeze and two 1 L life water bottles is literally the best combo.
Literally! Although the 2L cnoc is right there...
I just picked up a Sawyer Squeeze - Love the idea of orange/dirty blue/clean with those bottles. Time to order an orange one!
I've found it to be a great way to make sure I don't mix them up...
This was an informative video and I like the tips. Will be trying on my hiking trip this weekend.
Great to hear! have you watched the update video for more ideas?
If you use the smart water lid as the backflush plunger, you can ditch the plunger
yeah, that works pretty good... maybe not quite as well as the plunger, but the weight & space savings have become more important to me since then...
Super informative video. Also good idea with the tablets as backup!
I found that shaving my head and walking around with one of those bags in the city gives me the same solitude of camping alone in the woods.
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Great video. Thanks for the ideas and options. I have been wanting to try the gravity set up. Great channel, subscribed. ✌️
Hey, thanks for watching!!! Welcome to the channel!
Awesome hacks and set up. Best set up I've seen so far.
Thanks for watching. This setup has really worked well for me.
Great video saved me a lot of time and money searching for an easy set up and good quality; also buying a set for my Mom.
I'm so glad that you found it helpful! Thanks for watching...
Very insightful! I miss philmont did a 2 week trip there years ago when I was in Boy Scouts
Hey thanks for watching. I has such a good time at Philmont. I hope I get to go again...
It’s amazing how much water filtration as come from then till now. Once we filled are bottles and platypus bags and added I’m not sure what it was honestly it took a hour to be safe to drink
They still do that as the standard. Micropur (chlorine dioxide) tablets are still handed out at resupply locations. But filtering is quicker and also reliable. It isn't necessary to bring a filter to Philmont but it can be a convenience...
Nice review. You showed me exactly what I needed to know! :)
Philmont has MicroPure at the food drop sites, and they send you out of base camp with them. Strong stuff. Leaves a little taste. But it's just their way.
I think I only used my filter once or twice the last time I went to Philmont.
Weird, Northern Tier used Polar Pure instead.
We used micropur as well except for one site that was clouded so we filtered that location... We only took 2 filters for the entire crew.
Informative presentation just what I was looking for. While I was watching this, it occurred to me that you can use a sawyer bag, that usually package together, as the clean water bag, if you already have one.
The Sawyer Water bags are trash. Most people throw them away. The Cnoc bags are far better.
Have you had problems with either bag leaking?
My only concern is the strength of large opening of the clean bag supporting the weight of the water during the filter process. The design of the cnoc bag is for the large open end to remain upright. This side of the bag is the weakest because well...it's open. Even the connector is just pinching the ends closed. It concerns me that over a short amount of time the weight of the water will cause a leak in the clean bag.
In all the time I've spent with it... I've never had it leak from the wide end. Often I fill the bag up and strap it to my pack and it does great. That's just my experience though...
@@AndyParrishOutdoors thank you. Now when it's strapped to your pack which side is up? The large open end?
I lay it sideways and the top straps on my pack sinch it down. I've also put it in my side pouch small end up.
@@AndyParrishOutdoors about how long have you been using it?
I started with it in the summer of 2018
What thread size is best for the Cnoc bags?
Depends If you want to use it with a sawyer/platypus filter or the befree filter.
When hiking, do you use your CNOC Vecto to carry water inside your pack? I thought this being a container that water goes in, meant for the backpacking crowd, that it's a no-brainer to say "yes" to this question... yet CNOC themselves, on their 2022 FAQ specifically say they "don’t recommend putting your full Vecto inside your pack if you’re concerned about leaking"!!! So what the heck? I don't get it. A water bladder for hiking that you CAN'T put in your pack if there's water in it???
I always carry it on the outside of my pack for easy access to refill my SmartWater bottles on the trail.
@@AndyParrishOutdoors The heaviest items (i.e. almost ALWAYS water) is supposed to be carried as close to your back as possible, and centered (helps with everything from balance to muscle strain). GREAT if it works for you, but still against pretty well set backpacking mantra (kinda like a manufacturer saying you shouldn't store your water container inside your pack lol ;)
If you're using the Sawyer cleaning coupling, SP150, you won't need to carry the back-flushing syringe. Just attach a Smart Water bottle or your clean water bag filled with clean water to the exit port, then squeeze to back-flush. You get a lot more pressure then you would using the syringe and you drop a few grams by leaving it behind.
You can also use the smart water bottle Sports cap nozzle to connect to the back flush end for that purpose.
Cnoc bags are the best.
But two things... get rid of the Nalgene bottles and switch to smart water bottles. Nalgene bottles are too bulky and heavy for backpacking. Also throw away that syringe. Just use the smart water bottle Sports cap nozzle to connect with the back flush end of the filter.
Since this posted, I've changed a few items. I typically use smartwater bottles. If I have a drink mix (like at Philmont), I take a Gatorade bottle. I don't carry the plunger either. I also use evernew bottles occasionally when I need extra storage with lighter weight.
@@AndyParrishOutdoors Yeah, if we're not always evolving, trying new ideas, we'll get left behind. LOL
Nice review! Thanks
Thank you! I appreciate it...
Thank you so much for this very helpful video!
So glad that you found it helpful. Thanks for watching!
Good content, have you bought a mic yet? A $15 mic would do wonders for the overall video quality.
Yes, I was disappointed in the audio and have debated doing an update anyway as a few updates have occurred, but also to capture better audio too... Thanks for watching anyway!
Andy Parrish Outdoors for sure! I still have the video a thumbs up
Thanks for the 👍. Do you have your own water kit put together yet or are you still researching ideas?
Andy Parrish Outdoors I’ve been using the Sawyer Squeeze as it came in the mail.
Today I ordered a CNOC bag and in town I picked up 6’ of 1/4” tubing. I’m hoping to set it up as a gravity system.
Andy Parrish Outdoors the gravity system with the CNOC bag works great! Thanks for the video my friend.
It can filter bacteria. Yes. Can it filter viruses and pesticides? Honest question.
No. For viruses, use the chloride dioxide tablets. They kill viruses in a matter of minutes.
Pesticides and other chemicals are NOT removed.
No. For viruses you can use chlorine dioxide tablets or drops. It kills viruses in a matter of minutes. Chemicals and pesticides are a totally different challenge.
I tried following the advice, got 2 Cnocs and both leaked like crazy.
That is disappointing. Which end was it leaking from? I never had any issues with that.
Here is Cnoc's advice to get a good seal. ua-cam.com/video/1beu02PMB_8/v-deo.html .
Also, contact Cnoc. They have been great with customer service.
@@AndyParrishOutdoors the connection where the dirty water attached to my sawyer squeeze. Dunno maybe I could try plumbers tape or something. Probably would of worked better if they had a gasket or something. I don't see that issue with the sawyer bags so I think its just the bags aren't a perfect match for the filter threads. Or of course sawyer could of tweaked the threads to encourage people to buy their bags instead as a possibility.
Cnoc says that the measurement of the threads exactly fits the Sawyer squeeze... Per their website: "The Vecto is designed to have a perfect fit with the Sawyer filters, be it the Sawyer Squeeze , Sawyer Mini, or Saywer Micro. You should just make sure your filters have fully functional rubber washers to prevent leaks.
You can also use the Sawyer Coupling or a Tornado Tube to create a gravity filtering system."
@@AndyParrishOutdoors saw that and its why I bought it. also saw many posts all over from folks with the same issue. was hoping for working out of the box. might be able to try caulking the leaks or wrapping with flex tape. tempted to throw in the garbage and get a different option tho.
It does mention that it is supposed to have a gasket. You mentioned that yours doesn't?
Good review
It’s looks very informative but I couldn’t hear it well. Audio made it just too hard to stay with the video.
I appreciate the feedback. I'm always trying to get better. Oh, also putting the captions on does help in following along...
Wow you need a sound engineer
Thanks, have you seen the updated video? ua-cam.com/video/Tk_G3sqLgF4/v-deo.html
you talk to quiet for how loud you have the music. I turned up the TV so I can hear you and had to scramble for the remote when the damn music started.
Sorry about the audio. I was not so skilled back then and although I was happy with the content, I was not happy with the audio at all when I got home that day. The good news is that I am working on an updated video with some gear improvements and (wait for it...) upgraded audio. Thanks for giving it a try. hopefully you'll give the channel a look again sometime. Thanks for watching.
@@AndyParrishOutdoors Cool. I'll keep an eye out for it.