It's quite common for individuals diagnosed with Asperger's in the past to now identify as autistic, especially since Asperger's is now considered part of the autism spectrum. It's all about how you feel most comfortable identifying yourself. Embracing your identity and understanding how it fits into your life is an important part of self-awareness. Thanks for sharing your experience!
The history of medical innovation and discovery is full of horrors and atrocities. If we only judged it by bad, we would not have modern medicine and technology as it is. So accepting that as part of the greater good that has been created over the many years should be the status quo. Judging the past by modern views is always a lesson in futility and horror.
I'm glad to hear that you found the information helpful for your school project! It's great that you're learning about autism and taking the time to educate yourself on the topic. Your personal connection to the subject can bring a unique perspective to your project and help others gain a better understanding of what it's like to live with autism. I hope your project goes well and you receive positive feedback from your teacher and classmates. Good luck!
Howdy! I myself am an autistic person doing a project on autism and idk if you are still working on this, but one video that really helped me out was this: ua-cam.com/video/gyQoebHFF5Q/v-deo.html It’s this lecture by a guy named Dr. Jeffery P Baker called “The Transformations of Autism” and it really helped me out for my project
This was excellent overview of the issues surrounding the Terms, Reinforces my own choice of switching to ASD to describe my condition. I hate bullies, so If I was trapped in the History that the Dr. was in, I might not have survived just on that basis. Aspergers "Nature" led to him staying and participating in the system as it evolved around him. (Even if a little voice inside him was screaming "THIS IS ALL Wrong!") This also ties in with the Stanley Milgram experiments in the 60s which demonstrated the high percentage of humans who will willingly cave in to the demands of what is perceived as "Authority Figures". Even when the demands have NO threat of punishment directly to the Underlings. I will be recommending and sharing this overview to my Neurodiverse circle of friends and acquaintances.
We are really glad you found this useful Mt, you are completely right on the similarities between this and the Stanley Millgram experiment. Thanks for the great column and appreciate the recommendation
@melisamaurino2173 Yes, you're correct. Grunya Sukhareva, a Russian psychiatrist, described autism-like symptoms in children in the 1920s, before Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger. It's interesting how historical perspectives on autism have evolved over time. Hans Asperger used the term "autistic psychopathy," which reflects an outdated understanding. Modern views recognise autism as a spectrum with diverse presentations and emphasise neurodiversity and acceptance. Thank you for highlighting this important piece of history!
Thanks so much for all the thoughtful comments on this video! Really appreciate everyone engaging with this topic. If you’re interested in more on neurodiversity, Nat did a TEDx talk diving deeper into these ideas. Here’s the link if you'd like to check it out: ua-cam.com/video/Fx2-VHDLJT0/v-deo.html 😊
There were documented cases where nurses would save individuals or not mention certain qualities about them in order to save them. As to how widespread this was who knows.
POI around 7:00: electric shock therapy is still used to this day at the judge rotenberg centre in Massachusettes. The FDA attempted to ban it's use but the ruling banning the use of electric shock therapy in the US was overturned in mid-2021. Applied behavioural analysis (ABA) is widely used across the world, despite the mounting evidence that it causes psychological and emotional harm. There are still plenty of people who would happily and willingly punish autism out if existence.
It's good to hear that you have received a diagnosis for Asperger's, and it can be challenging that the NHS database has not yet been updated to reflect the recent change from ICD 10 to ICD 11.
I see no reason to change any names associated with Asperger. The truth is what matters. Erasing history is a whole other problem. Regardless of the origins, it is what it is. No change is necessary.
I completely agree. The truth and history should always be respected and preserved. Changing names associated with a diagnosis like Asperger's Syndrome can sometimes lead to a loss of understanding and the unique experiences and perspectives of individuals with the condition. It's important to recognize and respect the experiences and perspectives of those who have been diagnosed.
That's not the reason the name was changed. The DSM and ICD don't care if a diagnosis has yatzi ties or not. There are still diagnoses likely associated with problematic people and those remain unchanged. The now outdated term has been changed due to there being little to no quantitative distinguishing characteristics between Autism and A*perger's.
I'm about 40 minutes into the video and so far my verdict is that "Aspergers" should not be a forgotten name simply to not forget the atrocious treatment of people with ASD. Having it removed and frowned upon to even personally prefer the label is society's way of sweeping something uncomfortable under the rug just because it's uncomfortable. I am not formally diagnosed but I fit over half the criteria for a aspergers/asd diagnosis. I prefer to use the term aspergers because allowing that horror show to be forgotten may affect society in a way that causes them (NTs mostly) to become comfortable treating us worse than they already do.
@SixxWolfZx It's understandable to prefer the term "Aspergers" due to its historical significance and the concerns about potential erasure. However, language evolves, and different terms may be used over time. What matters most is individuals' empowerment to choose labels that affirm their identities. Advocating for understanding and fair treatment of individuals with ASD remains crucial, regardless of terminology. Your perspective contributes to this ongoing dialogue, fostering awareness and inclusivity.
first off, you seem like a very likeable person and it was really nice watching this! i’ll add some thoughts down below of things that i want to share after watching :) 1. i personally would disagree that autism/neurodiversity in general isn’t a disability. maybe the main reason for this is because of our ableist society, because obviously we aren’t always incapable of doing things, but i would definitely classify myself as disabled and i know of a lot of other people feeling the same! 2. i’ve heard from jewish people is that they prefer us who aren’t jewish to use “jewish people” i stead of “jews” because of the nazi history. i feel it’s important to share so that we can be more respectful towards others! 3. as for if it’s appropriate to use Aspergers still: yes and no. if someone who was diagnosed with it feels it’s the best description for them, then that’s totally okay. if people don’t want to use it anymore that’s also totally okay! i wasn’t diagnosed with it, so obviously i can’t have any final say, which is why i’m very open to both scenarios. 4. i think naming something after a person is definitely honouring them in a way, but it’s also simply a recognition of their work. i don’t think we should remove his work, but we also shouldn’t follow it blindly whatsoever. 5. as i said earlier i wasn’t diagnosed with aspergers, but i will use the term if someone wants me to. my sister was diagnosed with it and she uses both autistic and aspergers, so if she decided she prefers aspergers i would use it for her :) 6. i don’t think your analogy with Epstein and Prince Andrew was bad at all. if you’re friends with someone horrific, you’re not a good person. sure, you might not have agreed with it fully, but you clearly didn’t disagree enough to not be their friend :/ 7. honestly, i think Herta’s mother believed that her daughter wouldn’t be very happy as she grew older. parents still believe similar things today, so if a doctor tells you something like that, it isn’t unlikely that you’ll trust their decision. thank you for doing this! it was very interesting and informative :D
Hi Jaq, Thank you so much for watching our video and for your detailed comment. Just a comment on a few things you said: Our view on whether or not it is a disability more relates to how society treats us, which, unfortunately, at the moment is disabling. But as you rightly mentioned, it is a personal choice, and officially under the UK equality act, at least it is a disability. Thanks for calling us out on using Jewish people in future. I completely agree with you, and I will have to remind myself to use that language - no offence was meant otherwise. You raise a good point about ultimately allowing people to choose whatever they resonate with and respecting their choice. And lastly, I didn't think of it that way before, but I think you may be suitable with Herta, as her mum correctly did believe she was doing the right thing, particularly with all the propaganda at that time and lack of understanding. Thanks again, and hopefully can catch you at one of our live webinars.
I have Asperger's (ASD level 1). Why can't individuals choose individually how they feel comfortable labeling themselves? There is next to no actual diversity and inclusion in collectivism. We know we are on a spectrum, so why do we keep insisting that everyone follows the same way of living and labeling? Just let people live their lives and you live yours. Stop trying to tell me what words I can or cannot say, and stop telling me how I should describe or label myself! That's no one's business but mine. You speak for you, please do NOT think you speak for anyone besides yourself. There is no "we". There is you and there is me. We are separate, distinctly unique individuals. Stop trying to collectivize certain labels, whilst ostracizing other labels. Stating that ASD is not a disability is false, as it is included under the 1981 ADA act. By claiming that it isn't a disability, you are not so subtlety stating that you believe that having a disability is a negative thing. That's not society being judgemental. That's you not embracing your diagnosis and that's you judging other disabled people. Changing labels to be super non-descriptive and over-generalized doesn't support anyone and doesn't celebrate diversity or acceptance of individual differences. I am disabled and have Asperger's, but I am merely different, not less. I embrace the disability label because I can show how much I've sacrificed and how much work I've put in consistently to overcome the challenges of life plus the additional challenges of having ASD. Saying I'm not disabled completely ignores how hard I've fought to get to where I am today! So instead of stigmatizing disabilities further, let's embrace all people as individuals and celebrate their successes and help them get through failures. Remember, disabled means different, not less. There's nothing wrong with having a disability! That's why we shouldn't seek to erase the word "disability" but instead seek to listen to each other, no matter what label we have.
Hi EchoFoxtrot2.0, I am not sure if your comment was commenting on the video or just a general comment but at EI we support people however they identify. You raised some great points - Nat
You conclude that the more "historically correct" answer to "was he a nazi" is "no, but he sympathised with nazis". I strongly disagree with this conclusion. What is the definition of a nazi? Is it "someone who holds nazi values" or is it "someone who is a member of the nazi party"? If we use the second definition then no one is a nazi today since the party is gone, so its a useless definition. If he agreed with nazi values, then he was a nazi. Just a nazi who wasn't an official member of the party. Thanks for a great informative lecture!
Thank you for your feedback! I appreciate your thoughts on the definition of a Nazi. The definition of a Nazi is a complex issue, and there is no single answer that everyone agrees on. I do agree with you that the definition of a Nazi is not as clear-cut as it might seem. There are certainly people who hold Nazi values but who are not members of the Nazi Party. And there are also people who were members of the Nazi Party but who did not necessarily agree with all of the party's ideology or actions. Ultimately, I think it is up to each individual to decide how they define a Nazi. However, I think it is important to be aware of the different factors that can be considered when making this determination. Thank you again for your feedback! I appreciate your willingness to engage in this discussion.
@@ExceptionalIndividuals I prefer to hear from those who were or are still alive from that era, rather than hear misleading terms, slurs etc from the heavily controlled media. This audiobook has the personal recollections of a woman still alive in 2024 and nearly 100 years old! Title "When The Flagpoles Bloomed by Vera Oredsson" in three parts: Part 1: ua-cam.com/video/nftR2JM2cdk/v-deo.html Part 2: ua-cam.com/video/oSNXVZFK4Ik/v-deo.html Part 3: ua-cam.com/video/ONyc_0swB-M/v-deo.html
It's my understanding that although the Children's Clinic of Dr. Hans Asperger was located at the University of Vienna in Austria, during the World War II the Reich needed doctors on the front lines, and Asperger was drafted into the German army to serve as surgeon in a field hospital in Croatia. The Children's Clinic was located in Croatia when the Allies bombed it, where much of Asperger's early work was lost, reducing the Heilpädagogik Station to rubble, therefore it wasn't in Austria. Could you investigate where in Croatia was located the burned Clinic of Dr. Hans Asperger? And if it was the Royal Air Force of UK who was responsible for bombing the Children's Clinic? Could you possibly help me get that information, or say me where I could get that information, please? 🙏
I'm sorry, I cannot access specific details on the exact location of the burned Children's Clinic of Dr. Hans Asperger in Croatia during World War II. However, you can try checking historical records and archives of the University of Vienna, or consult with experts on the history of World War II in the region. Additionally, you can also search online for historical accounts and research papers related to the topic.
@@ExceptionalIndividuals I wear glasses, too, but the style of his makes him look like the villain of either an Indiana Jones movie or a movie set during the Second World War.
I use the term Asperger's in relation to my atypicality. ASD is too vague and encompasses too much. From what I can tell, it has mostly been removed from nomenclature due to Nazi stuff. While I do not condone racism, murder, etc...Societies picking and choosing which words to remove due to past connotations doesnt make much sense to me. People are fine driving their Mercedes Benz, while wearing a Hugo Boss shirt, and having an IBM processor in their computers--but draw the line at my neurodiversity? My doctor said Asperger's, and I trust his opinion more than woke finger pointers and youtubers who are more worried about getting cancelled than helping me exist and interact with society around me. I know autistic people, I am not that. I know typical people, I am not that. I dont care about this dude, and I dont care where the word came from. You cant erase history, that is a crime in itself.
Hi @billyghostal, You bring up an important point about the complexity of language and history in relation to neurodiversity. The shift from using 'Asperger's' to broader terms like 'ASD' can indeed feel frustrating, especially when it feels like a key part of your identity. It's vital to respect individual preferences in how they choose to identify. Your comfort with 'Asperger's' and your doctor's guidance are significant. It's about finding a balance between being aware of history and ensuring everyone feels heard and respected in how they identify. Your perspective adds valuable insight to this ongoing conversation.
Thank you for the clarification. Understanding the correct pronunciation is important for respectful communication. It's Asperger, not As-perch-er. ^_^
It is impossible at this time to evaluate Asperger specifically, only with what is historically “known” and inferred. This was a time in history where everyone was suspect according to where your beliefs aligned. Science is a sketchy field to be in because it takes a LOT of money to research and it takes power to have it applied and made public. It was a desperate time in history and Nazi’s held most if not all the cards. If you weren’t in a gas chamber category, you likely made concessions you would not normally make to see your work furthered. Much of science was stalled as well for thousands of years depending on who is funding the research and what they “believe”. So I don’t get too emotional about scientific origins. At that time I imagine that institution was the only recognized place and while he knew the final destination for those children, I am sure the sentiment was much like we treat the elderly and the sick. Their life was not as valued as the young and vibrant. It doesn’t make it right, but it exists. Not signing his name may or may not indicate his conflict of conscience. We will never know. It is interesting how subjective we are about some things and not others. And in a time where everyone is racing to discredit others, I am not surprised that as a society we are rolling back the clock. I can be horrified and fascinated at the same time. It is also part of a social science that needs to be recognized. I know our past would be just as horrified if they knew their future. The issue of identity is so controversial right now. In 50 years? Who knows. I am glad that you are presenting all the known facts, and they should remain known. He may be the father of this science, but he is by no means the entire family. I am related to Lizzie Borden. It doesn’t make me an axe murder. The body of work is important. And more will be sacrificed in the name of science. Social conscience will dramatically change from generation to generation. You can change the name, but you cannot and SHOULD NOT rewrite history. You do not have to glorify a person to respect the work. And I hope one day people who “identify” with this diagnosis will no longer be recognized as special, but as human. Use your gifts, because there are many gifts within this group. Gosh I could go on and on… thank you for this video!
Thank you for your thoughtful and nuanced perspective. The history of scientific research, particularly during difficult and morally complex times, is indeed intricate and fraught with ethical dilemmas. It's crucial to recognize the context in which historical figures operated, including the immense pressures and horrific circumstances they faced. Your point about the importance of acknowledging and preserving historical facts, even when they are uncomfortable, is well taken. Understanding the full context helps us learn and grow as a society, ensuring that we do not repeat past mistakes. Asperger's contributions to the understanding of autism are part of a broader scientific effort that has evolved significantly since his time. While we can critically examine the ethics and circumstances of historical research, it’s also important to recognize the progress that has been made and continue to build on it with a contemporary, ethical approach. Your hope for a future where people with autism are seen not as special cases but as individuals with unique gifts is inspiring. It's a reminder that progress in social science and our understanding of neurodiversity must continue, aiming for a more inclusive and compassionate society. Thank you for engaging with the content and for sharing such a comprehensive reflection on this complex issue. Your insights add depth to the ongoing conversation about the intersection of science, history, and ethics.
Man, please, work on structuring your presentation. This is painfully distracting - I don ' t give a flying toss about Melissa from Italy, you ruin the content with a massive display of ADHD chaos. Get better !!
Hi @mortyblink8355, I appreciate your honest feedback. I'll take that on board and work on improving the structure to make the content clearer and more focused. Thanks for letting me know what didn’t work for you-I'll do my best to deliver more streamlined presentations in the future. But please work on your tone, Get better !! Very best, Nat
It's interesting to hear this. I was diagnosed with Asperger's when I was a kid, but now I just refer to myself as autistic.
It's quite common for individuals diagnosed with Asperger's in the past to now identify as autistic, especially since Asperger's is now considered part of the autism spectrum. It's all about how you feel most comfortable identifying yourself. Embracing your identity and understanding how it fits into your life is an important part of self-awareness. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Never a good idea to remove/sensor history.
We should always learn from the mistakes of the past
Completely agree with you there Marius
The history of medical innovation and discovery is full of horrors and atrocities. If we only judged it by bad, we would not have modern medicine and technology as it is. So accepting that as part of the greater good that has been created over the many years should be the status quo.
Judging the past by modern views is always a lesson in futility and horror.
Everything I have learned about WW2 is the exact opposite to what we have been forced to believe is true by the victors.
wow i’m doing a school project on this (i’m autistic) and this helped me so much and i found it SO INTERESTING wow
I'm glad to hear that you found the information helpful for your school project! It's great that you're learning about autism and taking the time to educate yourself on the topic. Your personal connection to the subject can bring a unique perspective to your project and help others gain a better understanding of what it's like to live with autism. I hope your project goes well and you receive positive feedback from your teacher and classmates. Good luck!
Howdy! I myself am an autistic person doing a project on autism and idk if you are still working on this, but one video that really helped me out was this: ua-cam.com/video/gyQoebHFF5Q/v-deo.html
It’s this lecture by a guy named Dr. Jeffery P Baker called “The Transformations of Autism” and it really helped me out for my project
This was excellent overview of the issues surrounding the Terms, Reinforces my own choice of switching to ASD to describe my condition. I hate bullies, so If I was trapped in the History that the Dr. was in, I might not have survived just on that basis. Aspergers "Nature" led to him staying and participating in the system as it evolved around him. (Even if a little voice inside him was screaming "THIS IS ALL Wrong!") This also ties in with the Stanley Milgram experiments in the 60s which demonstrated the high percentage of humans who will willingly cave in to the demands of what is perceived as "Authority Figures". Even when the demands have NO threat of punishment directly to the Underlings.
I will be recommending and sharing this overview to my Neurodiverse circle of friends and acquaintances.
We are really glad you found this useful Mt, you are completely right on the similarities between this and the Stanley Millgram experiment. Thanks for the great column and appreciate the recommendation
He called it autistic psychopathy. Grunya Sukhareva was apparently the first to describe autism, before Kanner and Asperger.
@melisamaurino2173 Yes, you're correct. Grunya Sukhareva, a Russian psychiatrist, described autism-like symptoms in children in the 1920s, before Leo Kanner and Hans Asperger. It's interesting how historical perspectives on autism have evolved over time. Hans Asperger used the term "autistic psychopathy," which reflects an outdated understanding. Modern views recognise autism as a spectrum with diverse presentations and emphasise neurodiversity and acceptance. Thank you for highlighting this important piece of history!
Thanks so much for all the thoughtful comments on this video! Really appreciate everyone engaging with this topic. If you’re interested in more on neurodiversity, Nat did a TEDx talk diving deeper into these ideas. Here’s the link if you'd like to check it out: ua-cam.com/video/Fx2-VHDLJT0/v-deo.html 😊
I wonder if any nurses refused to send children to their deaths, regardless of whether or not they would get a commission.
There were documented cases where nurses would save individuals or not mention certain qualities about them in order to save them. As to how widespread this was who knows.
POI around 7:00: electric shock therapy is still used to this day at the judge rotenberg centre in Massachusettes. The FDA attempted to ban it's use but the ruling banning the use of electric shock therapy in the US was overturned in mid-2021.
Applied behavioural analysis (ABA) is widely used across the world, despite the mounting evidence that it causes psychological and emotional harm.
There are still plenty of people who would happily and willingly punish autism out if existence.
Thanks for sharing Harriet, it is horrible to think it is still in use. it is important to educate around this
I was diagnosed with Asperger's this year (2022) -- the NHS has not yet updated its 'SNOMED' database to reflect the change from ICD 10 to ICD 11.
It's good to hear that you have received a diagnosis for Asperger's, and it can be challenging that the NHS database has not yet been updated to reflect the recent change from ICD 10 to ICD 11.
I see no reason to change any names associated with Asperger. The truth is what matters. Erasing history is a whole other problem. Regardless of the origins, it is what it is. No change is necessary.
I completely agree. The truth and history should always be respected and preserved. Changing names associated with a diagnosis like Asperger's Syndrome can sometimes lead to a loss of understanding and the unique experiences and perspectives of individuals with the condition. It's important to recognize and respect the experiences and perspectives of those who have been diagnosed.
@@ExceptionalIndividuals Yes, well put. That’s exactly what I was saying too. Thx.
That's not the reason the name was changed. The DSM and ICD don't care if a diagnosis has yatzi ties or not. There are still diagnoses likely associated with problematic people and those remain unchanged. The now outdated term has been changed due to there being little to no quantitative distinguishing characteristics between Autism and A*perger's.
What kind of presentation/tool is themis webinar made using? I love the interactivity with the presentation.
Mentimeter :)
I'm about 40 minutes into the video and so far my verdict is that "Aspergers" should not be a forgotten name simply to not forget the atrocious treatment of people with ASD. Having it removed and frowned upon to even personally prefer the label is society's way of sweeping something uncomfortable under the rug just because it's uncomfortable.
I am not formally diagnosed but I fit over half the criteria for a aspergers/asd diagnosis. I prefer to use the term aspergers because allowing that horror show to be forgotten may affect society in a way that causes them (NTs mostly) to become comfortable treating us worse than they already do.
@SixxWolfZx It's understandable to prefer the term "Aspergers" due to its historical significance and the concerns about potential erasure. However, language evolves, and different terms may be used over time. What matters most is individuals' empowerment to choose labels that affirm their identities. Advocating for understanding and fair treatment of individuals with ASD remains crucial, regardless of terminology. Your perspective contributes to this ongoing dialogue, fostering awareness and inclusivity.
first off, you seem like a very likeable person and it was really nice watching this! i’ll add some thoughts down below of things that i want to share after watching :)
1. i personally would disagree that autism/neurodiversity in general isn’t a disability. maybe the main reason for this is because of our ableist society, because obviously we aren’t always incapable of doing things, but i would definitely classify myself as disabled and i know of a lot of other people feeling the same!
2. i’ve heard from jewish people is that they prefer us who aren’t jewish to use “jewish people” i stead of “jews” because of the nazi history.
i feel it’s important to share so that we can be more respectful towards others!
3. as for if it’s appropriate to use Aspergers still: yes and no. if someone who was diagnosed with it feels it’s the best description for them, then that’s totally okay. if people don’t want to use it anymore that’s also totally okay! i wasn’t diagnosed with it, so obviously i can’t have any final say, which is why i’m very open to both scenarios.
4. i think naming something after a person is definitely honouring them in a way, but it’s also simply a recognition of their work. i don’t think we should remove his work, but we also shouldn’t follow it blindly whatsoever.
5. as i said earlier i wasn’t diagnosed with aspergers, but i will use the term if someone wants me to. my sister was diagnosed with it and she uses both autistic and aspergers, so if she decided she prefers aspergers i would use it for her :)
6. i don’t think your analogy with Epstein and Prince Andrew was bad at all. if you’re friends with someone horrific, you’re not a good person. sure, you might not have agreed with it fully, but you clearly didn’t disagree enough to not be their friend :/
7. honestly, i think Herta’s mother believed that her daughter wouldn’t be very happy as she grew older. parents still believe similar things today, so if a doctor tells you something like that, it isn’t unlikely that you’ll trust their decision.
thank you for doing this! it was very interesting and informative :D
Hi Jaq,
Thank you so much for watching our video and for your detailed comment.
Just a comment on a few things you said:
Our view on whether or not it is a disability more relates to how society treats us, which, unfortunately, at the moment is disabling. But as you rightly mentioned, it is a personal choice, and officially under the UK equality act, at least it is a disability.
Thanks for calling us out on using Jewish people in future. I completely agree with you, and I will have to remind myself to use that language - no offence was meant otherwise.
You raise a good point about ultimately allowing people to choose whatever they resonate with and respecting their choice.
And lastly, I didn't think of it that way before, but I think you may be suitable with Herta, as her mum correctly did believe she was doing the right thing, particularly with all the propaganda at that time and lack of understanding.
Thanks again, and hopefully can catch you at one of our live webinars.
I have Asperger's (ASD level 1). Why can't individuals choose individually how they feel comfortable labeling themselves? There is next to no actual diversity and inclusion in collectivism. We know we are on a spectrum, so why do we keep insisting that everyone follows the same way of living and labeling? Just let people live their lives and you live yours. Stop trying to tell me what words I can or cannot say, and stop telling me how I should describe or label myself! That's no one's business but mine. You speak for you, please do NOT think you speak for anyone besides yourself. There is no "we". There is you and there is me. We are separate, distinctly unique individuals. Stop trying to collectivize certain labels, whilst ostracizing other labels. Stating that ASD is not a disability is false, as it is included under the 1981 ADA act. By claiming that it isn't a disability, you are not so subtlety stating that you believe that having a disability is a negative thing. That's not society being judgemental. That's you not embracing your diagnosis and that's you judging other disabled people. Changing labels to be super non-descriptive and over-generalized doesn't support anyone and doesn't celebrate diversity or acceptance of individual differences. I am disabled and have Asperger's, but I am merely different, not less. I embrace the disability label because I can show how much I've sacrificed and how much work I've put in consistently to overcome the challenges of life plus the additional challenges of having ASD. Saying I'm not disabled completely ignores how hard I've fought to get to where I am today! So instead of stigmatizing disabilities further, let's embrace all people as individuals and celebrate their successes and help them get through failures. Remember, disabled means different, not less. There's nothing wrong with having a disability! That's why we shouldn't seek to erase the word "disability" but instead seek to listen to each other, no matter what label we have.
Hi EchoFoxtrot2.0, I am not sure if your comment was commenting on the video or just a general comment but at EI we support people however they identify. You raised some great points - Nat
28:50 Hands Ass Burger was mentored by Hot Dog Hamburger. You can't make stuff like this up 😂
XD
This was very well presented, thank you!
You're very welcome!
You conclude that the more "historically correct" answer to "was he a nazi" is "no, but he sympathised with nazis". I strongly disagree with this conclusion. What is the definition of a nazi? Is it "someone who holds nazi values" or is it "someone who is a member of the nazi party"? If we use the second definition then no one is a nazi today since the party is gone, so its a useless definition. If he agreed with nazi values, then he was a nazi. Just a nazi who wasn't an official member of the party.
Thanks for a great informative lecture!
Thank you for your feedback! I appreciate your thoughts on the definition of a Nazi.
The definition of a Nazi is a complex issue, and there is no single answer that everyone agrees on.
I do agree with you that the definition of a Nazi is not as clear-cut as it might seem. There are certainly people who hold Nazi values but who are not members of the Nazi Party. And there are also people who were members of the Nazi Party but who did not necessarily agree with all of the party's ideology or actions.
Ultimately, I think it is up to each individual to decide how they define a Nazi. However, I think it is important to be aware of the different factors that can be considered when making this determination.
Thank you again for your feedback! I appreciate your willingness to engage in this discussion.
@@ExceptionalIndividuals I prefer to hear from those who were or are still alive from that era, rather than hear misleading terms, slurs etc from the heavily controlled media. This audiobook has the personal recollections of a woman still alive in 2024 and nearly 100 years old! Title "When The Flagpoles Bloomed by Vera Oredsson" in three parts:
Part 1: ua-cam.com/video/nftR2JM2cdk/v-deo.html
Part 2: ua-cam.com/video/oSNXVZFK4Ik/v-deo.html
Part 3: ua-cam.com/video/ONyc_0swB-M/v-deo.html
I demand my psychiatrist prescribe me LSD
Haha, that's quite the request! While I can't endorse it, it certainly adds a twist to the conversation about mental health treatments.
What is on the other side of that door (1:58)
John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt ;)
It's my understanding that although the Children's Clinic of Dr. Hans Asperger was located at the University of Vienna in Austria, during the World War II the Reich needed doctors on the front lines, and Asperger was drafted into the German army to serve as surgeon in a field hospital in Croatia. The Children's Clinic was located in Croatia when the Allies bombed it, where much of Asperger's early work was lost, reducing the Heilpädagogik Station to rubble, therefore it wasn't in Austria.
Could you investigate where in Croatia was located the burned Clinic of Dr. Hans Asperger?
And if it was the Royal Air Force of UK who was responsible for bombing the Children's Clinic?
Could you possibly help me get that information, or say me where I could get that information, please? 🙏
I'm sorry, I cannot access specific details on the exact location of the burned Children's Clinic of Dr. Hans Asperger in Croatia during World War II. However, you can try checking historical records and archives of the University of Vienna, or consult with experts on the history of World War II in the region. Additionally, you can also search online for historical accounts and research papers related to the topic.
Yes very controversial but interesting
Franz Hamburger's glasses make him look like a villain.
Not sure I can comment on this as someone who wears glasses, but there is a certain sinister vibe he gives off certain >.
@@ExceptionalIndividuals I wear glasses, too, but the style of his makes him look like the villain of either an Indiana Jones movie or a movie set during the Second World War.
@@tangerinefizz11 that's good to know there should be more glasses love out there. But yeah, he does look like a Bond villain
I use the term Asperger's in relation to my atypicality. ASD is too vague and encompasses too much. From what I can tell, it has mostly been removed from nomenclature due to Nazi stuff. While I do not condone racism, murder, etc...Societies picking and choosing which words to remove due to past connotations doesnt make much sense to me. People are fine driving their Mercedes Benz, while wearing a Hugo Boss shirt, and having an IBM processor in their computers--but draw the line at my neurodiversity? My doctor said Asperger's, and I trust his opinion more than woke finger pointers and youtubers who are more worried about getting cancelled than helping me exist and interact with society around me. I know autistic people, I am not that. I know typical people, I am not that. I dont care about this dude, and I dont care where the word came from. You cant erase history, that is a crime in itself.
Hi @billyghostal,
You bring up an important point about the complexity of language and history in relation to neurodiversity. The shift from using 'Asperger's' to broader terms like 'ASD' can indeed feel frustrating, especially when it feels like a key part of your identity. It's vital to respect individual preferences in how they choose to identify. Your comfort with 'Asperger's' and your doctor's guidance are significant. It's about finding a balance between being aware of history and ensuring everyone feels heard and respected in how they identify. Your perspective adds valuable insight to this ongoing conversation.
Steve Davis interesting
He is not pronounced As-perch-er. It is like Spielberg-er, but with a "p" so As-perger.
Thank you for the clarification. Understanding the correct pronunciation is important for respectful communication. It's Asperger, not As-perch-er. ^_^
It is impossible at this time to evaluate Asperger specifically, only with what is historically “known” and inferred. This was a time in history where everyone was suspect according to where your beliefs aligned. Science is a sketchy field to be in because it takes a LOT of money to research and it takes power to have it applied and made public. It was a desperate time in history and Nazi’s held most if not all the cards. If you weren’t in a gas chamber category, you likely made concessions you would not normally make to see your work furthered. Much of science was stalled as well for thousands of years depending on who is funding the research and what they “believe”. So I don’t get too emotional about scientific origins. At that time I imagine that institution was the only recognized place and while he knew the final destination for those children, I am sure the sentiment was much like we treat the elderly and the sick. Their life was not as valued as the young and vibrant. It doesn’t make it right, but it exists. Not signing his name may or may not indicate his conflict of conscience. We will never know. It is interesting how subjective we are about some things and not others. And in a time where everyone is racing to discredit others, I am not surprised that as a society we are rolling back the clock. I can be horrified and fascinated at the same time. It is also part of a social science that needs to be recognized. I know our past would be just as horrified if they knew their future. The issue of identity is so controversial right now. In 50 years? Who knows. I am glad that you are presenting all the known facts, and they should remain known. He may be the father of this science, but he is by no means the entire family. I am related to Lizzie Borden. It doesn’t make me an axe murder. The body of work is important. And more will be sacrificed in the name of science. Social conscience will dramatically change from generation to generation. You can change the name, but you cannot and SHOULD NOT rewrite history. You do not have to glorify a person to respect the work. And I hope one day people who “identify” with this diagnosis will no longer be recognized as special, but as human. Use your gifts, because there are many gifts within this group. Gosh I could go on and on… thank you for this video!
Thank you for your thoughtful and nuanced perspective. The history of scientific research, particularly during difficult and morally complex times, is indeed intricate and fraught with ethical dilemmas. It's crucial to recognize the context in which historical figures operated, including the immense pressures and horrific circumstances they faced.
Your point about the importance of acknowledging and preserving historical facts, even when they are uncomfortable, is well taken. Understanding the full context helps us learn and grow as a society, ensuring that we do not repeat past mistakes.
Asperger's contributions to the understanding of autism are part of a broader scientific effort that has evolved significantly since his time. While we can critically examine the ethics and circumstances of historical research, it’s also important to recognize the progress that has been made and continue to build on it with a contemporary, ethical approach.
Your hope for a future where people with autism are seen not as special cases but as individuals with unique gifts is inspiring. It's a reminder that progress in social science and our understanding of neurodiversity must continue, aiming for a more inclusive and compassionate society.
Thank you for engaging with the content and for sharing such a comprehensive reflection on this complex issue. Your insights add depth to the ongoing conversation about the intersection of science, history, and ethics.
Man, please, work on structuring your presentation. This is painfully distracting - I don ' t give a flying toss about Melissa from Italy, you ruin the content with a massive display of ADHD chaos. Get better !!
Hi @mortyblink8355,
I appreciate your honest feedback. I'll take that on board and work on improving the structure to make the content clearer and more focused. Thanks for letting me know what didn’t work for you-I'll do my best to deliver more streamlined presentations in the future. But please work on your tone, Get better !!
Very best,
Nat
@@ExceptionalIndividuals Hi Nat ! Good Man, Getting Better Together ! L&P&H
Such an interesting video. In my home country you can still get diagnosed with Aspergers even though most countries its an outdated term.