Is the FRS The BEST All Around Platform for Mods? - In Depth Supercharged FRS Review
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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The GT86 platform whether it is a Subaru BRZ,Scion FRS, or Toyota GT86 is always a great entry level car. For many the GT86 left a little to be desired when it came to it's power plant the FA20 engine compared to the STI's EJ25. Adding a supercharger to the FRS is one way to boost this performance while also keeping the car feeling similar to all motor. This Automatic FRS was interesting because I had only driven the manual and I had no idea what to expect. Going more in depth, this review talks about the benefits, the costs, and the end results of adding a supercharger to the FRS/BRZ.
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I think this car is great- I think the FRS is a fantastic platform for everything except big power. The Miata is also obviously up there!
What are some other good entry level platforms you guys know?
350z
RSX.
s2k
G35, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger
Carwashing badass lol oh david...😂
The FRS / BRZ is one badass looking car.
Thoroughly impressed by that automatic...actually a really solid gearbox once you add some power and a tune to it!
Actually the auto is even more of a ticking time bomb than the manual. 300whp is pushing it for the auto.
Get a torque converter and clutch kit from South Side Performance. Problem solved, and their's are rated for 700whp.
I've heard quite the opposite. Auto trans handles more than the manual
Plus with the mods I mentioned they can handle even more. Add a valve mod and tune and that gearbox will perform like no body's business. Gotta have 255+mm tires and a good suspension for that power though.
@@jirace The FRS/BRZ/GT86 automatic transmission is rated for over 400 hp. I think up to 450.
Its got more than just the robin badges. The engines bay is covered in batman-related stuff. He also did a fuel pump. If it was a manual, he would've had to do a clutch at some point. This car is incredibly done up. I've rode in it and it actually inspired my build. Tuckers a cool guy and hes put a lot of time and money into this car. Congrats tucker.
I like the fact, that it hasn't got a huge wing, just to be different!
He did make a bold move on the varis bumper tho
@@adamtimmsen1362 Oh yes he did. Fits well tho, if you ask me.
I also appreciate the clean and subtle rear end. Got an FRS myself and always been a fan of clean lip spoilers or nothing. Wings can look okay though I suppose
@@lonelycorpro1 Yup, this car wears wings well
@@adamtimmsen1362 surprised how nice it turned out
For anything but power: yes.
For power it gets a bit more expensive.
LSX swap !
@@wthomasw2 that's also expensive
I can find a perfect shell for 5k and drop a ls or 2jz in it with plug n play ECU kits. There's no better platform per dollar.
@@Baccaclone not really
wthomasw2 just buy another car at that point lol
The auto sounds like a single clutch automatic. Decently quick shifts too.
@。ガッレット automatic transmissions have clutches/frictions in them
It is a single clutch auto
The auto is decently quick to shift. Tbh the only thing that sorta kills it is the tall gear ratio.
This is definitely a unique sounding car. Boxer rumble, automatic shifts, supercharger sound
The Toyota version of the 240 for the 2010s.
Not really. The 240 could make big power.
I guess there are some FA20's that do big power, I saw a vid that has a BRZ make 800whp. Albeit, it did have a big turbo running tons of boost, but i'm certain that an SR20 would be the same case
@@VirusTornado yea but you have to swap it unlike the brz/frs with which you can boost easily
@@VirusTornado mmm the ka24 cant make crazy power
you cannot boost a BRZ easily. Sure you can put a supercharger/turbo kit on it, but it's not cheap and you only get 100hp extra for a grand total of 300hp. Then you blow the engine.
I want the old Mitsubishi back, with a new Eclipse (THAT ISN'T AN SUV) to rival the GT86/FRS/BRZ
Wasnt the eclipse fwd
@@willtrautman6243 yep
@@markzuckerbergette6185 So that's not a rival to the gt86
There's a AWD version
@@willtrautman6243 Tru idk what he's talking about
Trucker car is OG as fuck! Super clean and done right! He's been in the game since the first month they hit the shore!
I love my FRS. Amazing car.
I bought a manual FRS last week and I came from an rx8 so I was expecting a lack of power. But I AGREE this thing needs a little nudge under the hood because I feel like a Rav 4 could gap me. Even when driving in the canyons a tune or something could make a huge difference. I can’t wait to start working on handling mods though!
Also another FRS owner named Tucker? Rad.
I put a UEL header on mine and gave it a tune. Wakes the midrange up nicely. The 2-4k rpm dip is still there but it's less pronounced. Planning to supercharge it eventually though.
I came from an automatic 350z HR to
a manual BRZ and it doesn’t need power. It’s only issue is it needs more torque lol but I understand what you’re saying
I think the frs/brz/gt86 is probably one of the best looking cars with body kits. They look so amazing when modded and the rocket bunny kits are prime example.
The transmission is never something I’d compromise on.
I know the owner. We were both on Chatt waiting lists for the FRS. He got his 4 months before me cuz I waited a manual. At the time it seemed like forever and ultimately he could do 90% of what I could do practically for road use.
@@garf117 What is his instagram? I wanna see more of this car.
@@bexey2389 86_robin is his insta.
@@garf117 good points
@@garf117 He can always slap a manual in there if he so desires. If he wanted to make some space in the transmission tunnel, he could probably fit the s2000 transmission, which would be stronger. There are people using that transmission for K swaps
Nice car, i thought the auto might hold it back with sloppy shifts etc but it seems to respond really well
For $25-30k, they should come factory boosted. Even the newer versions are asking quite a lot of money for what it’s offering regarding interior, engine, etc.
Ecoboost Mustang is a big competitor. Very close cost, 100 more HP, WAY more torque, and a nicer interior.
Drunken Hamster but the mustang costs 10-15k more...
No. Premium with options, maybe. But no. Base Boostang is ~25k-ish. Base Premium Boostang is $30k-ish. Fully loaded premium Boostang with auto trans is $45k-ish.
Drunken Hamster In the UK the Mustang is from £35,000 and GT86 is from £25,000 (for the base models)
Yeah. Heard you guys get cucked for over 2.0L. Stupid arbitrary ass shit IMO. But this is America. Those two are competitive price wise here.
love the manuals but damn the auto makes this look like a racecar
I'm doing this to my manual 2020 86 same sc. I can't wait. My parts will be here soon!!!
Honda civic: hold my beer.
Slid Wheel 😂 😂
But can a civic look better? 🤔
superboy prime, a honda civic can look so much better it just depends on the owners preference but to me both newer honda’s and toyota’s look like some egg/insect body styles which is why i prefer 90’s mostly. i mean the interiors and lighting have improved for sure but as far as the body’s go they look like crap to me.
@@superboyprime6863 yes
@@sirklapz557 Meh
Thank you for doing a video on a supercharged FRS with an auto. I have a 2013 FRS NA and I’ve been torn between going Turbo or Supercharged and this helps out immensely. My current mods are a complete header back exhaust and a tune. The 86 platform is the new S13/14 platform IMO. Thank you again for this video and get your hands on a Kia Stinger if you haven’t done so already.
Awesome to see my frs brother on here. Tucker has done an awesome job with his car!! WTG buddy
Thanks Jennifer!
I didn’t even know u could get it in an automatic
That'd be dope with 3 pedals
As a prior owner to a manual frs, it's the ONLY way you wanna buy one
If youve only owned a manual how would you know???
@@franktheballer23 because most of us who have driven a manual have driven the automatic version or an automatic version of a sports car like it and it sucks compared to the manual. The whole point of these cars is to have fun and when you aren't cranking up the gears hearing the engine and on top of that just have the time of your life who fucking cares who cares if you're going slightly faster it's not as fun I don't give a fuk
^ Can agree 1000000%% i have an Evo MR for the track and i daily a civic si. SI is way more fun even tho im like 200hp less than my evo.
Is it not dope as it is???
the upshift and downshift with the blip is actually nice. not expecting tht.
I just bought an frs from my friend who already did a full exhaust and turbo. I'm definitely gonna swap it out for a Vortech Supercharger
It sounds awesome.. 👍😁
Absolute joy owning one. Power gains are bit of a journey to get but if thats not an issue its awesome.
your smile when you hit it is infectious enthusiasm!
Love how the up and down shifts sound like a manual
I gotta say, the auto sounds pretty good! The pop inbetween shifts is pretty nice! It’s not a slushbox like other auto car. Also I love the supercharger sounds, I wish more people would do it to their FRS/BRZs
I always figured that the car came from factory with less-than-impressive power specifically to encourage tuners. Perfect candidate for a project car.
I’m actually surprised how quick the auto shifts.
David I seen you on TV at SEAMA this past you was helping chose the tuner of the yr at SEAMA that was a awesome opportunity to get to do that
Little late, but power isn't the problem in these cars, its torque. The fact that heavier and less powerful cars (like the scion TC 🙄) can beat the car in a head for head race speaks volumes. I really do wish they used a ZZ platform engine or some other Toyota engine.
I definitely need to drive an automatic BRZ/FRS. The last boosted FRS I drove had some syncro issues so I'm not sure that manual gearbox likes seeing extra torque
the first and second are crap ont these transmintion. seen a lot of ppl having issues whit it. im at 40K km still no issue.
Just love that smile of yours......fun to see you happy
Ive been looking for a RWD ride, and settled on either a G35/37 or a FRS. Im a Toyota FANBOY so I have to get the FRS...
I think 90’s honda models will continue to be the best mod cars for a long time not only because they’re cheap to buy and cheap to mod for the most part but they just don’t die and even if it does you can get amazing prices on a new engine or parts. my only complaint is that they feel so cheap sometimes as far as body quality but for the most part they all handle pretty good.
u lost me at honda
Great video as usual!! One of my favorite cars right now, these are such a great platform. If these things were a hatch, that would be awesome imo. That sound is very interesting.....
This car (manual) + boost = winner!
Just make sure its got a top shelf tune
That thing sounds amazing
"That's a nice tc" I've heard someone say this. Still gets to me this day and it was years ago
Jordan Smith I own one... Everybody loves mine because I don't rice it out and put batman logos all over it. It's pretty freaking fast. I'm fixing to take apart the engine and build it and getting it tuned but it's okay I understand
Automatic haters coming in 3... 2... 1...
I love automatics
Absolute 0ero
I’ll never get a Manual again. Too much Of a Headache plus I can’t Smoke, Drink or watch UA-cam Videos while Driving.
@@Sms8668 multitasking at its finest 😂. Don't go this far bro you really should try driving a manual, it's hella fun !!🤘
You're just not doing it right. I shift and steer with only my right arm, using my right thigh on the wheel when stability is needed
@@deslaya7777 I'm dead 😂😂😂😂
the robin looks is great, but the sound is amazing!
The Brz/86 is such a good car to learn how to properly handle a car
Such a great platform! But I would pass on the auto...
Forrest W agree
It is very underrated. Drive one ;) tough too. Needs a shorter rear gear
@@zacharyohare2118 yes correct auto is ver fun in sport mode. Not fast at all but fun yes it is
Makes it a better daily driver and more accessible to people just getting into "sports" cars which is what this platform is made for
You see I like the car for aesthetic reasons. You can make this car look so badass lowering it, getting some nice wheels, tint, new head/taillights, and even body work done. It just sucks how underpowered it is and to make it powerful, you have to put thousands of dollars into it. If this car came out of the factory with 250+ horsepower/torque you bet I’d buy one within a blink of an eye.
I see that Helen Import Day sticker. Had a booth out there this past year and will be back out there with the frs again next year!
Wow that shift is actually pretty cool, not the usual slushbox slur between gears
I was surprised the shifts sounded so good :D
Don't even have to watch the video to know the answer, of course it is.
The car comes with a huge engine bay, a very well-balanced stance, an amazing suspension setup that responds well to lowering springs or coilovers, can take V6, V8, V10, V12 swaps with no problem, including the famous I6 swaps. The car has a near 50/50 weight distribution, a lower center of gravity than some Ferraris, and incredibly predictable and controllable handling characteristics, I bought one when I was 19 (I'm 21 now) and that was honestly one of the best decisions I've made because my performance driving has gotten 10x better, I couldn't hardly drive a stick, launch properly, drift properly, but this car is so easy to learn on. My dream is to LFA V10 swap one one day, or put a NASCAR TRD V8 is one like that Japanese drifter guy did into his LFA. Something like that would be incredibly bad ass, short of winning a lottery though, one of those two probably won't happen, so I'd settle for a 2JZ swap in the near future.
I think a cool little idea to switch up the review vids is to also include GoPro/POV shots also while you’re driving & talking and doing pulls. I feel like it’s a simple but effective implementation!
The auto doesn't seem to be half bad, it even goes up to redline!
and when you hit redline in manual mode it'll stay there
I get so tired of people bashing on this platform. Bought myself a 2017 and haven't regretted it one bit
the boxer motor is just one of those engines you dont want to have turbo lag on, if the wrx had a supercharger itd be miraculous. Though I do still love my WRXs
He did a great job with this 86
love my brz but as a daily in Canada winter kinda sucks I mean I still drove it all winter but I think I might hop over to a wrx soon
Hey guys i just got a mazdaspeed 6and its amazing
Mazdaspeed 6 is a perfect car the speed 3 I always feel like there’s something missing about it even with more power but the speed 6 is just right with everything
My buddy has a speed6 pretty dope with awd try a S550 fbo 5.0 making 470whp reving to 7.5k rpm(;
Replace that fuel pump my guy
@@AwesomeCanadian212 lol i know
Shaolin yeah that fuel pump is the weak point to the car
I wish you would just tell us the TITLE OF THE SONGS in the description because I like listening to them. Like when you used the "Make Me Move(Remix) FEAT. Karra", see, it had a title! David please start posting the title of these songs and not just the channel of the artist! Thanks!
I wonder how this cars engine and transmission is holding up with all the extra power. You should do follow up videos.
I've been supercharged with the Jackson kit for 4 years now and put almost 30k miles on it. No issues so far.
This 86 is gorgeous❤️
The GT86 isn't worth it as a new car, but used yes
Beecher Adams It’s definitely worth as a new car if you’re willing to keep it and drive the shit out of it
@@itoitonomi1849 nah, I mean you can buy other cars with better performance for it's money, like the ecoboost mustang, 370z, Subaru WRX, and those cars are moddable as well
I got my frs for 15k used and I feel that's a fair price 26k miles
Most new cars are dumb investments so yeah.
Beecher Adams faxxx
I own this car and I enjoy every single minute of it
This isn't your car.
People hate on the 86 because of the power from he factory but it's not about how much it makes it's about how much it can make a the 86 can make a lot, most jdm legends made 250hp or less
would be a fun car if it was manual. I do understand david's desire to drive something different though
whats your desire though
Of course I'll say YES because I own one myself, just my opinion. Love everything about this build.
I love the frz so much but to have any fun with it u gotta slap a supercharger or turbo setup on it... where u can just buy a genesis and make the same power with bolt ons and tune
Fun is subjective but this just isn’t true. BRZ/86 with Bolt one & tune is still a blast in the twisties. Sure the genesis wins on paper, but they’re heavy and feel vague and sloppy. BRZ & 370z are better options for those looking for a true drivers car feel.
Genesis 2.0t reliability isn't that great though
FRS: F**king Rocket Science? Or F**cking Really Slow? Depends who you ask
One of my cheapest projects.
$12k for 2014 GT86 at 30k miles. Supercharger + supporting mods for $8k. Car is still holding up great at 8 psi for 3 years. My only fear with it is that the rods could knock any time. If these cars had come with solid internals with at least 10.0:1 CR I'm sure many people would be inclined to boost the FRS.
How’s it holding up?
This car is heckin rad. I never really liked these cars, I've definitely had change of heart
the induction noise almost sounds like ITB's, pretty cool that this kit is CARB legal
It's not the best platform for mods in terms of engine power because you have to spend alot of money to make any power and no torque. But it makes a great platform to swap anything into it and has alot of aftermarket support. I refer to this car as the new 240! I love mine and was my dream car since 2012 and finally got mine in 2016 !
I was literally just looking up BRZ/FRZ vids yesterday for mod ideas.
I know Dan just got a new zl1 1le but you should get in touch with him and review it when yall get together the videos are the best
The theme looks more like Red Robin, which is when robin branches out and becomes his own hero, not a sidekick. Just saying lmao
Which robin?
Wow, I want one now. They always needed more power!
Best chassis under the price of a new Cayman. Matt Farrah agrees with me.
Dave I'll drive my car to you to review. Its a unusual car, 2015 Kia Forte5 with 6-speed manual.
Jcw mini coopers I have one and it’s making 280hp and 310 lbs ft of torque
I wanna buy one of these used, retrofit the 4-banger from the tenth gen civic si (LB15) and call it a day. 300/350 whp with a beautiful power band, excellent fuel economy and that's with a mild setup. There are dudes pushing 500+ whp outta that 1.5 4 banger.
Great cool vid & car, would have loved to see yellow seatbelts to carry Robin theme😉 But super clean & sounds great
Cheers, A
Thanks man. I'm planning on red harnesses in the near future actually.
Green*
I feel like you meant to say equal length to make more power..?
Just some facts and a few observations/opinions:
The FA20 is making about 100hp per liter. Pretty decent for a reasonably reliable NA motor.
Flat engines have many intrinsic advantages. Form factor for lower mounting. That, and they're well balanced similar to inline engines.
The BMW 128i has similar performance with an extra liter of displacement yet instead of getting peanut gallery complaints of being "slow" it's referred to as a "genius" design of a "light and nimble chassis."
"Slow" cars today are faster than moderately fast cars of time's past.
Adding this all up while keeping in mind the base MSRP I don't see where the problem is.
I have to agree with some, I think the more appointed cars aren't a good value. But nobody bats an eye when a Porsche or other circlejerked marque has an extra 20-30k in options on a particular model. With that said I think the pricetags on the tS or TRD have zero bearing on the value of the base model trim.
Another thing:
As mentioned in my OP I think this motor in stock form in this chassis is an engineering win.
Car enthusiasts say they want well engineered cars.
But really what they want is a boat anchor iron block to throw boost at so they can do highway pulls and get some C&C cred.
All the while going on oval track videos to make left turn jokes, and posting muscle car jokes that died a decade ago.
Nice thing about buying auto FRS is very less likely it’s trashed. Seems a-lot of issues showing up on the platform are MT units.
That's FRS is hella clean
Just like the AE86, yes. Drag, Rally, Drift, Professional, anything.
im looking to buy an automatic. there a very few on the market and not a single automatic within 200 miles of me.
I kinda feel like the exhaust sounds boring, like I get it, it's a super charged FRS but like idk maybe it's better in person.
I live in Ringgold and have an FRS. Tucker still have that car? We need a local FRS/BRZ/86 meet up. Curious to how much the supercharger setup is.
How reliable is a some-times-rough street driven supercharged frs?
Can these things get 100k reliable w/ sc?
Great video as always , I would like to see you reviewing more European cars like amg , M cars , audi rs , also some exotics and super cars , please :')
You always crush it David!
I love the Michelins.
I have heard it before at least you didn't start about premium fuel....
Red Robins.. Yum.
Too bad that in Greece a new one costs almost 40K euros...Europe and its engine taxes. Everything 2.0 up is stupidly taxed to almost double the msrp.
,exoume ta saxorala emis😂
@@nikosbenopoulos7306 😂😂🤣
no different in other EU countries, In Belgium you are looking at least 33.5K€ and with options it goes up to 37K€.
It's as if Toyo/Baru are making their European customers pay for the cheap retail price Americans get.
Then people are surprised we buy European hot-hatches that are cheaper, practical, more fuel efficient and drive circles around the BRZ/GT86.
The Toyota Yaris GRMN is 35K€, now that is ridiculous. especially since it can barely keep up with the new Fiesta ST and Polo GTI.
this is so true, same in the netherlands
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I think it's the only "Japanese performance" option no Japanese manufacturers are making sports cars anymore besides suburu and Mazda. Mazda with the Miata but it's way over priced and suburu sti and the WRX but also more costly. The frs/brz are the most bang for your buck . Pretty much the market currently is crossover SUV's sadly.
370Z
Nissan, Subaru, Mazda, Toyota, and Honda all make sports cars
Boring ass crossover where you spend 30k-50k for a micro compact a little bit higher from the ground I swear the god..
What is this comment? Nissan (370z), Honda (Type R), & Toyota (86 & Supra) are all still very much in the business of producing sports cars. You could argue the Supra as it is partially German engineered, but Toyota was definitely still involved in development.
Man thats the car i want but stick and with out all the body work! Dope cars!
I agree! I love my 300whp 255wtq 86. I would never want big power with this car because it's not needed. It's not a FWD car or a plus 3400lb car that probably needs 500+whp to be big fun. Weight is more important than power.
I'd say at the moment the best all around platform for mods is the Mk7 Gti/R or the Audi A3/S3 (MQB family).
Cody Rothgeb As someone who owns an is38 GTI. I have only invested about $2200 in my car and it makes 379whp. I don’t know if any other car right now that makes that kind of power so cheap.
Agreed lol All I have left really is IS38. I'm basically done minus that. Just kinda riding out my IS20, rolled 77k this past weekend on my Gti.
Buy a mustang, put a vortech on it. 12k in and you got 500 wheel and a daily.
Jacob Juneau You can do an EFR turbo on a mk7 GTI/ Golf R and have 500hp with an e30 blend. It will cost abut 4K all in and that’s still cheaper.