Seymour is a dark parallel of Yuna. The only difference between them is that Seymour grew up hated and alone while Yuna grew up beloved and with a proper support system from her friends and islanders.
Interestingly enough in Dissidia Opera Omnia Yuna herself observes that had the circumstances been different she may not have been too different from Seymour
I could honestly watch FFX content every day lol. Love the compare/contrast. I either forgot or didn't know about Yuna's mom, was just wondering about that!
Hey! FF Union pronounces Tidus the way I do. I always though Tee-dus sounded weird, and ten plus years of never hearing it pronounced otherwise, has cemented the Tie-dus pronunciation in my mind.
Yuna abandoned by her dad, Seymour was damned, Tidus hates his dad, Wakka as orphan is nervous to become a dad, And auron seems have no idea that he was a father
There's a mistake in the commentary. It claims that "In the case of Yuna, after living for a few years in Bevelle, her mother decided to visit the Al Bhed hoping to reconcile but she was killed by Sin en route. However, in the game, Rin tells Tidus "but when Yuna was born, they (Cid and Yuna's mother) made up again. His sister took off for home at once, but then, her ship..." Therefore the game reveals that, not only had they made up, but that Yuna's mother died shortly after Yuna was born and not a few years later.
Another good juxtaposition is the fact that Yuna, a half Al-Bhed, was accepted in the Besaid community while Khimari who was a full blooded Ronso was banished from his home due to his broken horn.
@@treshaunrogers Her, Rikku, and Auron, and Cid knew. Rikku is her cousin (being Cid's daughter), Cid her uncle, and Auron was guardian to Yuna's father. I do wonder if Kimahri knew initially.
I believe the parallels were purposefully made between the two. But I think the hidden message Really, is to tell the audience that you you can either let negative circumstances define and twist your moral compass, or you can be a better person in spite of the hand you were dealt. Auron said it best. "Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain, or live and fight your sorrow!" I don't believe he only meant this in a literal sense. This quote was too powerful to me when I first heard it, to be taken at face value. In a metaphorical sense, I believe he was drawing that correlation between his fellow rookie guardians when it comes to their own evolution. He's seen this all before. He's the wise man of the group. He's the veteran, and if anyone knows about the cost of vindication, I'd believe it was him.
@@Hyle-King-Neithekaos96 Agreed! He would've at least had his father, if he didn't wackem'. Haha. I understand being sent off to become a summoner as a child might suck. But murdering your own father when you return from summer camp seems to be a little harsh. Haha. In the end, it was his mother's wish to become an Aeon to defeat sin. So I can't really blame his father for his mothers strength of will to do what she believed was the right thing to do. It all comes back around to how much your willing to sacrifice. Even if that means sacrificing everything.
Auron bled while he crawled from Zanarkand back to the boardwalk of Bevelle. He crawled with one hand while his other hand was swinging his sword at monsters.
Night's Watch knight True. Main difference being however that Seymour’s motives were much more understandable than Sephiroth’s which I think showcased maturation of the writing for that particular type of character. As much as I love Sephiroth I could never get over the fact that his logic always seemed flawed, like he read the history of Jenova and instantly jumped to the conclusion that he was a God without having all the information. He makes up for it by being a total badass character but still. They didn’t make that mistake with Seymour. They made Seymour LIVE through his fleshed out trauma instead of having it rely solely on the injustices done to someone else.
Silver Knight87 Seymour definitely had a traumatized past which made him a little more of a sympathetic villain. The writers tended to give different villains this depth after FF7, which is cool and a nice change up. I tend to personally prefer just an evil character that I have no desire to feel sorry for (like Sephiroth). I do attribute part of Sephiroth’s strange motives to being closer to Jenova, and some aspect of his perception being more Jenova than his own (to an extent). BUT that is an entirely different discussion lol. I just remember seeing Seymour for the first time with his crazy hair, outfit, weird chest tattoos, tall height, and good looking face and thinking “yep you’re a FF villain” lol
@@silverknight876no mistakes made Sephiroth is far more complex than that. When he went in the basement he was mistakenly under the belief that jenova was his mother, that she was a cetra, that an anciet catastrophe doomed the cetra civilization and that humanity had abandoned them. He was always superior to every other human and felt disconnected from them. Then he finds out he was lied to his entire life and shinra is creating monsters which causes a psychological break. He believes he is the last of the cetra. When cloud asks him about his sadness he asks what does he have to be sad about since he was chosen to take the planet back for the cetra. The logic is pretty sound. He is apart of a superior race and wants revenge on the inferior beings who are weak, stupid, evil and taking the planet away from its rightful owners. When he later finds out he was not a cetra and created from alien cells etc it doesnt change anything. He is still superior(he survived 5 years in the mako stream not affected by "mako poisoning" aka going crazy from all the voices of the dead people hes hearing and able to not only regenerate but control his clones from the northern crater) and believes superior beings have the right to rule the planet and that humanity is weak and stupid. Also events of Crisis core etc reveal more events that would lead to/support his hatred towards humanity turning him from the worlds greatest hero to the worlds greatest villain. No competition between sephiroth and seymour imo however ff writers (especially ffvii-x) have done amazing complex jobs with their characters that casual/younger gamers sometimes tend to miss since their stories are so incredibly complex and well thought out. Its especially admirable when u realize how fast they pumped these games out in a few years. I first played ff7 as a 7 year old and despite it being my favorite game i misunderstood and missed a lot of complex issues as i replayed the game throughout the years each time i understood and found more complexities in the game as well as ffvii,ix and x. I missed so much of X the 1st playthough XD
@@rondorthecruel124 sephiroth has far more depth than ur atrributing and logically sound motivations that turned him from the worlds greatesst hero to the worlds greatest villian
Yeah... Seymour is Yuna’s foil. They framed FFX as Tidus’ story, but it’s really Yuna’s and she really is the main protagonist. The story is just framed through Tidus’ perspective.
@@spaycee9082 Its just people trying to be smart. There's multiple stories going. Tidus is the protagonist however for multiple reasons being: the narrator, the controllable character, the story starts in his "home" world. It revolves around his entire adventure. Saying Yuna is the protag because she's the summoner is just blind
Alex Noa How? Obviously it’s Tidus’ story because he was meant to be the breaker of the cycle not Yuna. If it wasn’t for Tidus, Yuna would just be another throw away summoner, but since we got whiny Tidus, everything worked out how it was planned to be. And you know it’s Tidus’ story because he was an outsider so However way he wanted it to go, it goes his way. He’s the only one who wasn’t born into a world where he was brainwashed into believing certain beliefs thus making him an outsider where only he was able to see certain things that were right from wrong ie. the whole Yu Yevon thing and summoner sacrifice tradition. Jecht takes the credit as mastermind and Auron takes the other half as the one who carried out the duty. All the while Tidus, he just had to keep being himself which made it his story. And on top of that he was the narrator so there’s that.
Tidus takes control of the story at the end. After all of it being Yuna's story, Tidus takes being the hero away from her and they forge a new path from where Yuna's path was going. So it -was- Yuna's story. Tidus just stole the ending.
Kspice9000 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protagonist None of those things makes a protagonist. A protagonist drives the story. They are the ones with most of the agency and make most of the decisions. I cannot think of any major plot event where Tidus is the character using agency. Most of the time it’s Yuna and sometimes Auron.
Squaresoft's PS2 FF. Really missed world map exploration as user option, but it kept the games pacing tight and it worked effectively. It didn't feel rushed even though it kept you on mandatory plot advancement for most of the game.
I mean FF 12 was pretty good right? I enjoyed it up until the 100 floor tower (Even 4x speed up couldn’t save me from that torture) that’s where I just wanted a save point somewhere anywhere. Even though 12’s story to just sort of felt there. This was probably due to the fact two party members Penelo and Vaan could’ve been replaced with a potted plant and the story would’ve felt the same maybe even improved.
My mom has cancer right now, but she would still fight tooth and nail if anyone she loved was threatened. Perhaps with more abandon than normal even, because she’d need to finish things quickly due to less stamina, and she knows that there’s a good chance in five years she won’t be here, and if taking more risks when given a good opening would secure my safety, yeah, she’d take them. She’s like a bird of prey and a lioness rolled into one. If you think a momma bear is the scariest thing out there, you don’t want to meet one that knows she’s injured.
@@SunflowerSpotlight I'm so sorry hun praying for your mother and her recovery to kick cancers ass. never dobut a mothers love and dedication even when sick. thats why anima was my favorite aeon in the game.
60wwediva Oh, thank you! She really is a lioness. She’s giving it her all, that’s for sure. If it doesn’t go her way, there’s no doubt there was just nothing more she could do, you know? We’ve got some backup plans, videos and letters to write, for my family for milestones and stuff, we might go wedding dress shopping for me early (since I’m her only daughter, that’s always been a big dream for her), things like that. But for right now, we’re still trying round two to see what we can do. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, as they say. I’ll let her know you wished her well; since we moved a few years ago, she’s not really rebuilt a big support system, and it always tickles her to think of someone she doesn’t know being kind enough to take the time to wish her well. We appreciate it. 🌷
Never even knew there were parallels! (Besides both losing parents at young age and then becoming summoners after that). It's crazy how the trope of villains basically being evil versions of the heroes still works to this day
It is actually a very common thematic device in the FF series, you would be surprised how many of the main heroes of the series have the villain characters as pure rivals/opposites, makes for compelling villain versus hero arcs compared to supreme ultimate evil beings.
@@TheStruggler-wb7mk Zidane and Kuja is a great example. Both were created to be Garland's angels of death, but while Kuja carried out his mission to sow chaos on Gaia and saw others as being beneath him, Zidane after arriving on Gaia instead joined Tantalus and learned what it means to cherish others like family and friends.
@James Gravil I feel like Zidane and Vivi, and to an even lesser extent Garnet, all have certain connections and parallels to Kuja, Garnet more because of her background, questions of identity, and being used by her own assumed parent (though that parent did still actually love her ultimately). It is why, though he is only the penultimate final boss, he is obviously the game's most defined and compelling villain.
@@DJAB87 Yes, another one that is fascinating is Kefka versus both Terra and Celes, which also establishes those two as VI's primary protagonists in terms of importance. They all have connections to the Empire, and were in fact raised in the Empire and its military. They were all trained, experimented on, etc. to be tools, powerful magic-using weapons of the Emperor, and thus can all naturally use magic in the game's lore, Kefka grows to find no meaning in life and instead wishes for death and destruction, whereas Terra and Celes both find a purpose for living and for life, as their banter in the final battle explains. Indeed, Terra retains her humanity by the end, whereas Kefka becomes a "god" of destruction and really a true monster, far more than any Esper, all because of a hatred of life and existence itself.
Twisting Dervole Ya, foils are a common literary device. They can often be used to emphasize a central theme or motifs or juxtapose competing ones. FFVII is an example of this where cloud, and really most of the other main characters, accept the loss of their old identity and accept their new ones, but sephiroth doesn’t. He becomes obsessed in his grief over the loss of his identity and never really moves past it.
More appreciation for FFX is always welcome, and I always considered Seymour quite underrated as a dark mirror to Yuna. He's deeply personal in a way that Sin simply can't be, and provides some of the hardest story battles that make you want to kick his crazy ass even more. Heck. it's a battle mechanic that certain party members (Tidus, Wakka, Yuna, Auron, Kimahri) gain big stat boosts when he's angered them, though strangely Rikku never gets an outburst at the guy responsible for destroying her home...
This is it. You finally articulated why I love Seymour as a villain that I've never been able to say. Thank you. There's a fine line between hero and villain and sometimes it's so thin you can't even see it until it's too late. THAT is why I feel Seymour is absolutely terrifying as a villain (and better then Sephiroth).
Hmph Sephrioth is a better "villain" if you played crisis core and knew his story he was a war Hero himself yet he was a experiment to Hojo, honestly I can feel and understand his anger to a point. He could have went either way really, even Cloud walks that paper thin line between hero and villain. But if I found out I was a experiment and used all my life I'd be pissed too. But I like seymour too, but both pale in comparison to kefka
@James Gravil I think the Guado as a whole are more dubious as a group in both games than Seymour himself is, and in fact they are kind of to blame for why he became what he did.
@James Gravil The Guado commit not one but two genocides in the 10 story arc! They seem to see themselves as better than all of the other races, and perhaps even as better Yevonites than the humans who spread it to them! I feel kind of sorry for Seymour specifically, but for the rest of the them... eh, their "bad" ending in 10-2 where the Ronso go all Sparta on them is pretty fitting for me. Honestly, I'm surprised the al-Bhed didn't try to nuke them later too LOL "Dark elves" indeed
Maria Paz G. Lesme I do... I never knew all this about Seymour. Or if I did, I had forgotten... I haven’t played Final Fantasy X in over 15 years, lol. Seymour definitely seems more justified in killing his father now to me, though...
I feel sorry for him totally personally cause like kefka he is sorely misunderstood, had nobody willing to be for real with him (like how tidus gave yuna reality checks along the way despite people calling him whiney, he had the guts to tell people what they didn't want to hear. even if it was out of being naive, he could have been docile like yuna and kept thoughts unpopular to himself but didn't) and had so many struggles upon him he gained a warped view. even in imaginary places like spira it's lonely at the top and nobody is ever willing nor cares enough to bring you back down to earth and tell you're wrong. He could have been a sacrfical ally to yuna had he changed his ways. By sacrificial I mean I imagine a scenario where he'd go through a tough understanding then decides to aid, tidus is still sorta shady to him but allows him to tag along cause of yuna, and along the way seymour could have been used as some type device inside of sin or against Yunalesca himself.
I'm so glad that people have started making these FFX analysis again, this game is INCREDIBLE and has an amazing story and set of characters. But it's just painful to see the new CGI models from the HD remaster. Gaaawsh what did they do to Yuna, Seymour, and Tidus's faces. 😭 Anyway, I appreciate you analyzing Seymour; I think he makes a great villain but is often overlooked.
I think for someone with disordered thinking like Seymour, being able to admire someone and respect them while also being able to use them is about as close to love as you can get. Since he was very intelligent and powerful, he must have felt so bored with most people. To find someone who may possibly be an equal, or close enough, would be so refreshing.
I think he thought it was fate. He wants to be sin and finally find some meaning in all the suffering their world goes through and boom put of nowhere is a half al bhed legacy girl named Yuna of all names. He gets to be the ultimate sin with his own personal Yunalesca amd the people of Spira will even cheer as he puts them to death. How could he say no to such a perfect setup. Too bad for him, Yuna wasnt interested in playing her role in his little fantasies.
There’s even more parallels between them: *Both spent their formative years on islands with Yevon temples *He may have had ulterior motives for proposing marriage, but Seymour proposed the idea marriage as a means to bring the people together and Yuna accepted as she wished to bring people hope. Much like how both of their parents got together as a result of attempts to foster a relationship with humans and another group of people. *Both we’re willing to die for goals of defeating Sin and freeing Spira from pain even though their plans on achieving these goals differ (Seymour actually did). *Both became summoners specifically because of their human parents-both of which would sacrifice themselves and die because of the Final Aeon (in Seymour’s case, it was because his mother became the Final Aeon).
Seymour's motive he told Yuna was a lie. He wanted Yuna to use him to become the Final Aeon, so that he may become Sin himself. He stood the best chance at that as her husband.
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Very interesting, Seymour is a deeper character than he gets credit for I suppose, though I still find him a bit of a joke. I prefer to think of the main antagonists of FFX as Yunalesca and the church of Yevon itself. There's never been a better analogy for our own corrupt religions than FFX and that's what elevates the story way beyond most others. The idea of the characters dying at 17 sounds horrendous...therefore I'm surprised they didn't use it for FFXV. xD
The main antagonist would be more applicable to Jecht, both as the father who literally antagonizes a young Tidus and later on as Sin, culminating to be the de facto final boss as Braska's Final Aeon.
Interesting fact: The Roman numeral for 17, XVII, can be rearranged into the Gothic word 'VIXI', which means "I lived". The logical extension of which is "I am dead".
@Interlude65 You're all wrong. The difference between sociopath and psychopath is not "how they are made" (which isn't how mental sickness works in the first place), but what they actually are and do. Sociopaths and psychopaths act completely different, sociopathy CAN be hereditary while psychopathy is ALWAYS acquired. Both share traits, such as lack of empathy, and antisocial behaviour. However: A sociopath is a controlled, manipulative and calculative person. A psychopath is an erratic, violent and impulsive person. Of the two, psychopathy is the more common one despite not being hereditary at all - though this may also partially be the case because many cases of sociopathy never are diagnosed while psychopathy is pretty obvious. That's just a nutshell, but hopefully this clears up a few things. Let's talk FF villains then: Seymour: Text book example of a sociopath. Kefka: Text book example of a psychopath. Sephiroth: Exhibits signs of both - post-Crisis Core mostly psychopath.
The Al Bhed are a near-human race. They all have green eyes with uniquely swirled pupils and this is established at some point in the game by someone who states these as traits the Al Bhed are all in possession of. I could be mistaken, but I believe all the Al Bhed who feature in the game have blonde hair, although I don't believe this particular trait was specifically mentioned by anyone in the game. Whilst technically, the Al Bhed are not human (as they are near-human), I would consider it very likely they are a subspecies given the very subtle differences in the physical traits between the two races.
Mark Ritchie Those just sound like racial traits, not species. We have races with different skin colors, differently shaped eyes, etc. Those are way different traits than just being 100% blonde.
You can make the same parallels between Yuna and Tidus. The game uses characters' relationships with their parents, especially their fathers, as a metaphor for relationship with the past. Everyone with the game is coping with the *sins* of those who came before them in some way. Yuna is hopeful, Seymour is cynical, and Tidus is stuck in the past (literally) and unable to move forward until he gets over his issues with his own father. Furthermore, it's only by merging lessons of the past (Tidus and Auron) with hope for the future (Yuna and Tidus) and a desire for change (literally everyone in the main crew) that the problem of past *sin* is resolved. Game is deep.
Amazing analysis!!! in FFX-2 there was a side quest "Final Fantasy X-2: Fiend Tales - Flan Azul" where this Flan was created from the spirit of a Guado who served Seymour and died two years ago trying to find him. He was talking about how he understand Seymour's darkness solitude and wanting him to easy his pain. Apparently despise Seymour's twisted ways, he had some sympathy for this servant. LINK:ua-cam.com/video/Zz3nRMleG0o/v-deo.html
Damn I really would love to see or better yet play the What-IF alternate story where Yuna would let Seymour become her Guardian in order of trying to get him to change. Imagine not only Seymour as a permanent party member and the weirdness of having a Guardian that was also an ex-summoner and could still summon Aeons, but also seeing Seymour expressing his desire to become Sin and therefore end up Spoiling the dark secret behind the Final Aeon prior to arriving in Zanarkand. If it happened prior to arriving in Zanarkand, I could totally see Yuna either struggling to decide who to turn into a Final Aeon and Seymour telling her that she needs not worry about that since he would become it for her and then have her still choose not to turn anyone into a Final Aeon when she arrived in Zanarkand. . Imagine the fight against Seymour that would happen here instead of the several fights that would happen as the story progressed how it had in the game we got. I could see it playing out to where Lady Yunalesca amplifies Seymour's power by augmenting it with some of her own and a fiendesque Seymour summons Anima, Valefor, Ifrit, Shiva, Ixion, & Bahamut all at once similarly to how Yuna summons all the Aeons at once to defeat Sin at the end of FFX how we got it. Not sure if PS2 era hardware could handle that all in battle at the same time (though I guess this What-IF hypothetical alternate game would be on PS4 so it could likely). Now honestly I actually like the idea of them swapping in and out party style as I think that would be a more enjoyable battle than the intense fighting them all at the same time battle. God just imagine having them combo attack with like hybrid mixes of their Overdrive attacks &/or just regular attacks too in a creative combo manner. . I still think you'd get a multi-boss fight like we did with Yunalesca in FFX proper, but I think Seymour would be the main focus for the first part and maybe upon his defeat, she'd grant his wish and turn him into a Final Aeon that she'd control to fight against Yuna and the rest of your party. I think after the battle the game would play out for the most part how it did in FFX proper with maybe some minor-medium level changes, but eventually it'd reach the same outcome as the original game and we'd even get a final battle against Seymour one last time inside Sin though maybe a little different and harder to defeat since if I recall correctly the battle inside Sin wasn't the hardest Seymour battle in FFX proper; I think the fight against him on Mt Zanarkand was the toughest of the Seymour battles if I recall correctly.
@@iAERITHE yojimbo is cheating and you know it :P protect, shell, hastega, quick hit and maxed characters is pretty much all you need. Deathproof gear is pretty much necessary too.
FFX has the best party in the series in my opinion, they’re the only ones who actually seem like a close family who truly care and support pne another instead of a random hodgepodge of strangers who just have a common goal
The messed up thing is: If Tidus hadn't been dreamed into existence, Yuna and Seymour would have gotten together. Married and "fought" sin together. So tragic being that Yuna is only 17.
If Yuna and Seymour had bred, their child would've been half-human, 1/4th Guado and 1/4 Al Bhed…Maybe a worthy monarch for Spira. Shame Seymour was so troubled or things might've been different.
I was just thinking that myself! Although if Guado are a different species they really shouldn’t be able to interbreed reliably. If it’s a race thing, then it would make more sense. It would be cool if a half human, quarter Guado, quarter Al Bhed came about. They would better represent “the peoples of Spira,” as Seymour is fond of saying. 🤔 So in a way, I was all for that idea. If Seymour hadn’t been crazy. And evil. And creepy. Man there is not enough ice cream in the world to get someone over that kind of break up. 😳
Tidus and Yuna have a better dynamic completing eachother due to each being in perfect contrast and opposite personality both filling in the missing parts of eachother. Yuna is shy, overly polite, timid, and reserved. Tidus is outgoing, gets to the point, confident, and speaks his mind. They both also have similarities too that go very deep into a multitude of comparisons when analyzed. Seems like the video above searched very hard to make dots connect with Yuna and Seymour creating loose parallels. I enjoy Tidus/Yuna dynamics and parallels alot more. It makes them a perfect couple that complete eachother. I wish they had a few more scenes with them in love (for all those who always go against canon FF relationships) atleast it made more sense than Lulu and Wakka unnecessarily having a baby just for the sake of making them nonplayable in 10-2's unforgiving messiness lol
I've been through a couple of channels dissecting X's lore now, and all of you guys pronounce Jecht's name as Jekt. What's up with that? I get Tidus, we didn't hear his name until much later, but Jecht's name was said out loud through the entire game, very clearly as Jet, or like John. XD
No summoner seemed to go through what Yuna did. It is pretty funny how she has to wed Seymour and go through all those dramas while other summoners have a more smooth journey.
Im a huge ffX fan, it was my first and fav final fantasy game and ive lost track of how many times I've played it, but this video opened my eyes to a lot about the game than i realized. great video!
Great analysis, played this game twice never thought of that. Only thought seymour as crazy lunatic villain.. with logical assumption on killing all being.. since if you still could live when you died - without all the pain and fear of sin - why not?
I never thought of the Al Bhed as a different race. They're human, they just have a different ideology than the Yevonites. The only real difference is the eye-swirl thing, which could be just a sign of how separate the two have been from each other for centuries. I guess different 'race' in the same way that caucasian and asian are different 'races' but when you have the wookie-like Ronso and TWO kinds of fish-people wandering around, race tends to be a little more... defined.
Those eyes are so strange to me that I assumed Al Bhed had something else about them. Considering the fishy Hypello, catty Ronso and long fingered hedgehead Guado. Rikku... CAN DO ITEM ALCHEMY???
Their history is even more tragic. They were pretty much low class workers who were forced to make weapons for Bevelle on the threat of execution and were blamed for all wars that occurred.
Ditto. I’m on the highbridge just stealing from kicking machina. Remedies for 375 per steal. 😁 Also if you pilfer gil you get almost 1k on the first attempt. It’s a great place to grind.
It's good they didn't go with the everyone dies at 17 because everyone would be needing to have kids at 10 and by 13 your too old and whose raising those kids you'll die before they hit 17.
X-2 also had a lot of connectivity, in fact Yuna mentions it at the end of Chapter 2 (I believe? I could be wrong). She mentions everything being connected by strings.
You coyld say that Seymour is Yuna's Dark Eon version. On top of that, SPOILER ALERT..... the ending reminds me of Klonoa Door to Phantomile: Yuna=Huepow, Tidus=Klonoa. The tidusness this game brought me has partially, ultimately not allwed me to see behind the façade of these two characters. A good parallel could also be done between Maechen and Shelinda, or Shelinda and the chocobo guy. Maechen and Enoch (the old grand priest man).
I'm sorry but, whenever I see Wakka spinning around with all of the fayth flying by him, I can't help but think that he's saying "Yeah, dead Al Bhed's! YEAH!!! Look at them go brotha! I hope they don't make it to Heaven! I haven't seen anything this beautiful!"
There is a lot of ambiguity and depth to FF villain figures actually, especially when you go beyond the abstract grand evil super-being villain figures.
"And this would manifest by having individuals throughout the world die once they became 17" So if the human race wasn't going to die out within a generation women would have to have a kid before 17. And if the population wasn't going to be on a constant decline then women would have to have an average of _two_ children before 17. So at _best_ they'd have to start trying to have kids at 15, and earlier would probably be "better" since it can sometimes take awhile to get pregnant even when you're trying. And of course shortly after giving birth to their children they would die and someone else would have to raise their kids. So it would be a world full of orphan teens getting pregnant. I can see why that idea didn't pan out.
Nice points mate, but I take exception with a few things. I don't think calling Seymour's goal to eliminate all life in Spira "nihilistic" is an accurate way to describe it. Nihilism posits that life is meaningless and nothing really matters. If Seymour was a nihilist, he wouldn't have cared enough to work as hard as he did at his goal. A more accurate term to describe Seymour's motivation is Negative Utilitarianism. Negative Utilitarianism is the philosophical position that it is always better to reduce the amount of suffering in the world wherever possible, instead of maximizing the amount of 'positive'. Thus, the end of this line of reasoning is that all life should be exterminated for its own benefit, hence Seymour at one point exclaiming "I will destroy Spira! I will save it!". I also don't think it's necessarily fair to attribute his philosophical position toward life as coming about due to the rejection of his father. There is a lot of time missing between the game briefly showing him at 8 years old in Baaj temple, and when we see him as an adult in the contemporary storyline. Anything could've really happened during that time. Thanks for the videos.
@@JeebleyJim Are they? Last time I checked, they were just a different race and/or religion than the Yevonites. If anything, Yuna isn't interspecies, but interracial
JeebleyJim Different species cannot reliably mate or reproduce, so based on that I’d posit the idea that perhaps Al Bheds AND Guado may be races. If the Guado were in isolation for long enough, in particular conditions, eh, over time adaptations would be made.
yea but Braska married yuna's mom with love not like Jiskal. He went to kill the monster who killed his wife. The other dude made his son the monster he is today.
@Ashley Lynn i do believe Tidus mother was here for him, it's more the fact that he does miss his father which turned into hatre over years even after jetch went missing but yea about seymour He can choke on a Shoopuff's tail
This is an amazing video! Nice work. I would love to see more videos on other "parallels" between characters we see in the Final Fantasy universe. There are a ton throughout the franchise, especially from FF Tactics War of the Lions.
It depends I think. In some cultures if it’s a verbal agreement, then saying “yes,” or “I do,” finalizes it, in others it’s the paperwork and the entire ceremony is more religious than anything about the actual marriage status in the eyes of the world. You could say since it was at least somewhat against her will, under threat, false imprisonment, that her actions were not of her own free will and therefore the marriage is invalid. Since Seymour was already dead, that also precludes marriage in most countries (although some have a thing to allow marriage to a dead person to afford them company in the afterlife). But it being a secret, at least for a time, wouldn’t have changed the marriage in the eyes of the public. So I don’t think of her as lawfully married to Seymour, but it’s an interesting question.
I think in the case of Yuna, even had they known her family history, they probably still would have accepted her. Its easy to be prejudice against an unknown face but its much harder to agree with the standards when you put a face to the fear. While Wakka does not know about Yuna's heritage, Lulu did not seem shocked by Tidus learning it. Infact, it seems like she already knew and it didn't push her away from Yuna. More than that, she became her guardian, pushing her to risk her life to ensure Yuna either called forth the Final Aeon or give up the journey altogether. Wakka has lingering hate for what happened to Chaupu. I still don't think he would have abandoned Yuna in the grand scheme of things though. Everyone in the village was extremely supportive of Yuna and I like to think its because of Yuna as oppose to High Summoner Braska's influence and just having the conservative village style influence. As for Seymour, I think this si a different scenario. The Guado kind of remind me of the elves in a lot of fantasy stories. Very proud, long living, and stubborn. They believe their race is the most supreme. Mix races is kind of like the half elves of fantasy stories. Always criticized for it. Especially when an elf is involved. Jyscal shared criiticism when he was with another race and bore harsh ire when they had a child. There wasn't enough time to bare sentiment to put a face to the prejudice like Yuna had so their minds were made up before he even had a vhance. Sure changed their tune when he became a Grand Maester but I'm sure Seymour had no problem sending the Guado too their deaths after what he went through as a child. He had no love for them and the Gaudo only wanted to show how superior they were. Didn't help that the Guados' numbers were abysmal before they attacked Home and were on the brink of extinction after the fact.
Now I don’t feel bad that Jyscal was murdered by Seymour. He abandoned his son instead of loving him for being mixed race. Doesn’t make up for all the other things Seymour did but I see why he’d hate his father
... I must admit, I don't really find FFX that great, in fact I think it's one of the weaker entries mainly due to the fact that the plot is a mess, some of the characters are just weak/stupid and there were WAY too many dumb moments/character actions to ignore! Yet it does have some fantastic moments such as the Suteki da ne scene and of course the magnificent ending. Then, you have Auron. One of the greatest, if not THE greatest supporting male character in all of Final Fantasy. But now, I have to admit... You gave me quite an insight with this video. I honestly never would have considered the parallels between Yuna and Seymour. It really shows quite a unique depth of how similar their histories are-hell, they're practically the same as you said. What made the difference was one simply having a bit more kindness and wisdom in their upbringing. It's... Really hard not to analyze this now that you got me started. I tip my hat to you. Now... That said... Can we just honestly say that YUNA should have been the main character in FFX!?
What if yuna HAD got married to seymour, would that have changed his destiny, and hers? Dark side yuna? Light side seymour? Yuna would still have kept her guardians around I think, so I find it more likely that seymour would have changed, rather than yuna, having never had loving company during his life, maybe he would have found a new path.
Yeah the original 17 yo limit sounds interesting BUT that also means children are conceived equal to or less than than the limit age, i don't think most people ready for that concept at the time of release
I...damn this was good. Thank you. Never really thought of them being so similar even knowing both their origins. The idea that connectivity is a major theme too. Idk, I love when people still show this level of intrigue and passion for older games (remastered/remade or not). Thank you for the video!
FFX = great game! Interesting explanation! I wish I could skip the movie parts after playing game many times. Is there a different game I can play nearly as good as FFX?
I have a lot of questions about Anima tho. If she was destined to be a final aeon, why didn't it kill him when he summoned her ? Didn't Yunalesca made the ritual ? He arrived to Zanarkand with his mother, so I'm a little confused about that
To everyone who is annoyed at the pronunciation of Tidus: get over it. People mispronounce many Japanese places like Hiroshima or British places like Bicester and I don’t go around correcting people of it, it’s whatever makes it comfortable for you to say.
Great video! I loved the topic and the music that you chose for this episode. TPR definitely needs more exposure the music that he puts out is great. Have a great day everyone!!
Seymour is a dark parallel of Yuna. The only difference between them is that Seymour grew up hated and alone while Yuna grew up beloved and with a proper support system from her friends and islanders.
Interestingly enough in Dissidia Opera Omnia Yuna herself observes that had the circumstances been different she may not have been too different from Seymour
This game can be called Daddy Issues the game.
Final Fantasy Tekken edition?
Or Racism the FF edition
@@OseiTheWarriors Oh especially Wakka. . . .
Wow uhm okay..... Just don't forget that it is a good game though. Lol
To quote the little random hooded boy in the game, “You cried”.
I could honestly watch FFX content every day lol. Love the compare/contrast.
I either forgot or didn't know about Yuna's mom, was just wondering about that!
VERY nice TNG reference. You really gotta be a nerd to connect those
Hey! FF Union pronounces Tidus the way I do. I always though Tee-dus sounded weird, and ten plus years of never hearing it pronounced otherwise, has cemented the Tie-dus pronunciation in my mind.
It could be due to the fact that he is very *connected* to water. Tide-us.
Lady Yuna!-Seymour
Yuna abandoned by her dad,
Seymour was damned,
Tidus hates his dad,
Wakka as orphan is nervous to become a dad,
And auron seems have no idea that he was a father
Who the hell is Auron kid?
@Filthy Weeaboo I hope they never do because that audio drama was shit
@Filthy Weeaboo I never knew there was a audio drama.
@@ReachSkyla Finally someone who thinks like me. ITS PURE BULLSHIT.
I personally want to see it
There's a mistake in the commentary. It claims that "In the case of Yuna, after living for a few years in Bevelle, her mother decided to visit the Al Bhed hoping to reconcile but she was killed by Sin en route. However, in the game, Rin tells Tidus "but when Yuna was born, they (Cid and Yuna's mother) made up again. His sister took off for home at once, but then, her ship..." Therefore the game reveals that, not only had they made up, but that Yuna's mother died shortly after Yuna was born and not a few years later.
Another good juxtaposition is the fact that Yuna, a half Al-Bhed, was accepted in the Besaid community while Khimari who was a full blooded Ronso was banished from his home due to his broken horn.
@@treshaunrogers Her, Rikku, and Auron, and Cid knew. Rikku is her cousin (being Cid's daughter), Cid her uncle, and Auron was guardian to Yuna's father. I do wonder if Kimahri knew initially.
Khimari wasn't banished, he left as he felt unworthy
I believe the parallels were purposefully made between the two. But I think the hidden message Really, is to tell the audience that you you can either let negative circumstances define and twist your moral compass, or you can be a better person in spite of the hand you were dealt. Auron said it best. "Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain, or live and fight your sorrow!" I don't believe he only meant this in a literal sense. This quote was too powerful to me when I first heard it, to be taken at face value. In a metaphorical sense, I believe he was drawing that correlation between his fellow rookie guardians when it comes to their own evolution. He's seen this all before. He's the wise man of the group. He's the veteran, and if anyone knows about the cost of vindication, I'd believe it was him.
It also helps to have support through your steps of the journey. My mans didn't really have anybody.
@@Hyle-King-Neithekaos96 Agreed! He would've at least had his father, if he didn't wackem'. Haha. I understand being sent off to become a summoner as a child might suck. But murdering your own father when you return from summer camp seems to be a little harsh. Haha. In the end, it was his mother's wish to become an Aeon to defeat sin. So I can't really blame his father for his mothers strength of will to do what she believed was the right thing to do. It all comes back around to how much your willing to sacrifice. Even if that means sacrificing everything.
Auron bled while he crawled from Zanarkand back to the boardwalk of Bevelle. He crawled with one hand while his other hand was swinging his sword at monsters.
@@blessedevelyn339 wish there was a love button.
@@Buhfrog The man is definitely based on Guts from Berserk. He has been to hell and back.
Me at 14 years old seeing Seymour for the first time :
“Yeahhhh... this guy is the Sephiroth of this game”
The true best villain of FFX
Night's Watch knight True. Main difference being however that Seymour’s motives were much more understandable than Sephiroth’s which I think showcased maturation of the writing for that particular type of character. As much as I love Sephiroth I could never get over the fact that his logic always seemed flawed, like he read the history of Jenova and instantly jumped to the conclusion that he was a God without having all the information. He makes up for it by being a total badass character but still. They didn’t make that mistake with Seymour. They made Seymour LIVE through his fleshed out trauma instead of having it rely solely on the injustices done to someone else.
Silver Knight87 Seymour definitely had a traumatized past which made him a little more of a sympathetic villain. The writers tended to give different villains this depth after FF7, which is cool and a nice change up. I tend to personally prefer just an evil character that I have no desire to feel sorry for (like Sephiroth). I do attribute part of Sephiroth’s strange motives to being closer to Jenova, and some aspect of his perception being more Jenova than his own (to an extent). BUT that is an entirely different discussion lol. I just remember seeing Seymour for the first time with his crazy hair, outfit, weird chest tattoos, tall height, and good looking face and thinking “yep you’re a FF villain” lol
"This world is imperfect."
"Excuse me?"
"I wish that I could wipe away it's impurities."
"Is anyone else hearing-"
@@silverknight876no mistakes made Sephiroth is far more complex than that. When he went in the basement he was mistakenly under the belief that jenova was his mother, that she was a cetra, that an anciet catastrophe doomed the cetra civilization and that humanity had abandoned them. He was always superior to every other human and felt disconnected from them. Then he finds out he was lied to his entire life and shinra is creating monsters which causes a psychological break. He believes he is the last of the cetra. When cloud asks him about his sadness he asks what does he have to be sad about since he was chosen to take the planet back for the cetra. The logic is pretty sound. He is apart of a superior race and wants revenge on the inferior beings who are weak, stupid, evil and taking the planet away from its rightful owners. When he later finds out he was not a cetra and created from alien cells etc it doesnt change anything. He is still superior(he survived 5 years in the mako stream not affected by "mako poisoning" aka going crazy from all the voices of the dead people hes hearing and able to not only regenerate but control his clones from the northern crater) and believes superior beings have the right to rule the planet and that humanity is weak and stupid. Also events of Crisis core etc reveal more events that would lead to/support his hatred towards humanity turning him from the worlds greatest hero to the worlds greatest villain. No competition between sephiroth and seymour imo however ff writers (especially ffvii-x) have done amazing complex jobs with their characters that casual/younger gamers sometimes tend to miss since their stories are so incredibly complex and well thought out. Its especially admirable when u realize how fast they pumped these games out in a few years. I first played ff7 as a 7 year old and despite it being my favorite game i misunderstood and missed a lot of complex issues as i replayed the game throughout the years each time i understood and found more complexities in the game as well as ffvii,ix and x. I missed so much of X the 1st playthough XD
@@rondorthecruel124 sephiroth has far more depth than ur atrributing and logically sound motivations that turned him from the worlds greatesst hero to the worlds greatest villian
“We are all connected” - Maechen (Final Fantasy X-2)
Wasn't he dead when he said that?
Cult Boy you do know that Maechen was dead even in ffx right?
vilvet hope Yeah, that's why I'm asking. I seem to remember him saying that at Luca...The quote takes on more meaning when you know he's dead, though.
Of course. I've played through both games several times. Final Fantasy X is not only my favourite Final Fantasy but my most favourite PS2 game.
The circle of life?
Yeah... Seymour is Yuna’s foil. They framed FFX as Tidus’ story, but it’s really Yuna’s and she really is the main protagonist. The story is just framed through Tidus’ perspective.
Idk I felt it was about tidus since jecht ends up being the goal
@@spaycee9082
Its just people trying to be smart.
There's multiple stories going.
Tidus is the protagonist however for multiple reasons being: the narrator, the controllable character, the story starts in his "home" world. It revolves around his entire adventure.
Saying Yuna is the protag because she's the summoner is just blind
Alex Noa How? Obviously it’s Tidus’ story because he was meant to be the breaker of the cycle not Yuna. If it wasn’t for Tidus, Yuna would just be another throw away summoner, but since we got whiny Tidus, everything worked out how it was planned to be. And you know it’s Tidus’ story because he was an outsider so However way he wanted it to go, it goes his way. He’s the only one who wasn’t born into a world where he was brainwashed into believing certain beliefs thus making him an outsider where only he was able to see certain things that were right from wrong ie. the whole Yu Yevon thing and summoner sacrifice tradition. Jecht takes the credit as mastermind and Auron takes the other half as the one who carried out the duty. All the while Tidus, he just had to keep being himself which made it his story. And on top of that he was the narrator so there’s that.
Tidus takes control of the story at the end. After all of it being Yuna's story, Tidus takes being the hero away from her and they forge a new path from where Yuna's path was going. So it -was- Yuna's story. Tidus just stole the ending.
Kspice9000
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protagonist
None of those things makes a protagonist. A protagonist drives the story. They are the ones with most of the agency and make most of the decisions. I cannot think of any major plot event where Tidus is the character using agency. Most of the time it’s Yuna and sometimes Auron.
"and Yuna was half human, half al-bhed"
Al bhed are human too lol
lmao
Different ethnicities. The Al Bhed weren’t liked very much
The hell they are, brudda. Those swirly eyes bastards are barely above fiends...
@@stevemclovin1566 are you saying Rikku is a fiend? Bro..
@@MantisCrawl I'm just saying brudda... you cant trust them.
FFX was the end of an era and an absolute masterpiece.
Also, better writing this time around!
Night's Watch knight The last truly good mainline game.
Squaresoft's PS2 FF. Really missed world map exploration as user option, but it kept the games pacing tight and it worked effectively. It didn't feel rushed even though it kept you on mandatory plot advancement for most of the game.
@somethingsomethingnickname That laughing scene was an incredibly nuanced and important scene. And yes, it is cringy because it was supposed to be.
Glad u said this sick of arguing with people who think 13 was great when it was the biggest pile of shite I've ever played
I mean FF 12 was pretty good right? I enjoyed it up until the 100 floor tower (Even 4x speed up couldn’t save me from that torture) that’s where I just wanted a save point somewhere anywhere. Even though 12’s story to just sort of felt there. This was probably due to the fact two party members Penelo and Vaan could’ve been replaced with a potted plant and the story would’ve felt the same maybe even improved.
Wait... Seymour only had his mother as a Gaurdian... Does anyone not see how epically powerful sick dying mother most have been
Something to be said for a desperate mama bear. Lol
not to mention she became one of the greatest summons in the series, anima is great in every way possible.
My mom has cancer right now, but she would still fight tooth and nail if anyone she loved was threatened. Perhaps with more abandon than normal even, because she’d need to finish things quickly due to less stamina, and she knows that there’s a good chance in five years she won’t be here, and if taking more risks when given a good opening would secure my safety, yeah, she’d take them. She’s like a bird of prey and a lioness rolled into one.
If you think a momma bear is the scariest thing out there, you don’t want to meet one that knows she’s injured.
@@SunflowerSpotlight I'm so sorry hun praying for your mother and her recovery to kick cancers ass. never dobut a mothers love and dedication even when sick. thats why anima was my favorite aeon in the game.
60wwediva Oh, thank you! She really is a lioness. She’s giving it her all, that’s for sure. If it doesn’t go her way, there’s no doubt there was just nothing more she could do, you know? We’ve got some backup plans, videos and letters to write, for my family for milestones and stuff, we might go wedding dress shopping for me early (since I’m her only daughter, that’s always been a big dream for her), things like that. But for right now, we’re still trying round two to see what we can do. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, as they say.
I’ll let her know you wished her well; since we moved a few years ago, she’s not really rebuilt a big support system, and it always tickles her to think of someone she doesn’t know being kind enough to take the time to wish her well. We appreciate it. 🌷
"Half-human, half-Al-Bhed" Wakka is that you?
u...have 69 likes.
Did Seymour also have an imaginary boyfriend?
no, he had an imaginary mother
Well, he MARRIED Yuna... NTR?
jamham69 anima technically, is his mother 🤫
and post her death, becomes a dream. imaginary.
Yeah, but her her boyfriend was not her imaginary friend. her boyfriend was other people's imaginary friend.
Never even knew there were parallels! (Besides both losing parents at young age and then becoming summoners after that).
It's crazy how the trope of villains basically being evil versions of the heroes still works to this day
It is actually a very common thematic device in the FF series, you would be surprised how many of the main heroes of the series have the villain characters as pure rivals/opposites, makes for compelling villain versus hero arcs compared to supreme ultimate evil beings.
@@TheStruggler-wb7mk Zidane and Kuja is a great example. Both were created to be Garland's angels of death, but while Kuja carried out his mission to sow chaos on Gaia and saw others as being beneath him, Zidane after arriving on Gaia instead joined Tantalus and learned what it means to cherish others like family and friends.
@James Gravil I feel like Zidane and Vivi, and to an even lesser extent Garnet, all have certain connections and parallels to Kuja, Garnet more because of her background, questions of identity, and being used by her own assumed parent (though that parent did still actually love her ultimately). It is why, though he is only the penultimate final boss, he is obviously the game's most defined and compelling villain.
@@DJAB87 Yes, another one that is fascinating is Kefka versus both Terra and Celes, which also establishes those two as VI's primary protagonists in terms of importance. They all have connections to the Empire, and were in fact raised in the Empire and its military. They were all trained, experimented on, etc. to be tools, powerful magic-using weapons of the Emperor, and thus can all naturally use magic in the game's lore, Kefka grows to find no meaning in life and instead wishes for death and destruction, whereas Terra and Celes both find a purpose for living and for life, as their banter in the final battle explains. Indeed, Terra retains her humanity by the end, whereas Kefka becomes a "god" of destruction and really a true monster, far more than any Esper, all because of a hatred of life and existence itself.
Twisting Dervole
Ya, foils are a common literary device. They can often be used to emphasize a central theme or motifs or juxtapose competing ones. FFVII is an example of this where cloud, and really most of the other main characters, accept the loss of their old identity and accept their new ones, but sephiroth doesn’t. He becomes obsessed in his grief over the loss of his identity and never really moves past it.
I always thought Seymour's design was beautiful.
More appreciation for FFX is always welcome, and I always considered Seymour quite underrated as a dark mirror to Yuna. He's deeply personal in a way that Sin simply can't be, and provides some of the hardest story battles that make you want to kick his crazy ass even more. Heck. it's a battle mechanic that certain party members (Tidus, Wakka, Yuna, Auron, Kimahri) gain big stat boosts when he's angered them, though strangely Rikku never gets an outburst at the guy responsible for destroying her home...
This is it. You finally articulated why I love Seymour as a villain that I've never been able to say. Thank you. There's a fine line between hero and villain and sometimes it's so thin you can't even see it until it's too late. THAT is why I feel Seymour is absolutely terrifying as a villain (and better then Sephiroth).
Hmph Sephrioth is a better "villain" if you played crisis core and knew his story he was a war Hero himself yet he was a experiment to Hojo, honestly I can feel and understand his anger to a point. He could have went either way really, even Cloud walks that paper thin line between hero and villain. But if I found out I was a experiment and used all my life I'd be pissed too. But I like seymour too, but both pale in comparison to kefka
Yikes. These parallels are scary. I almost feel sorry for Seymour. Almost.
@James Gravil I think the Guado as a whole are more dubious as a group in both games than Seymour himself is, and in fact they are kind of to blame for why he became what he did.
@James Gravil The Guado commit not one but two genocides in the 10 story arc! They seem to see themselves as better than all of the other races, and perhaps even as better Yevonites than the humans who spread it to them! I feel kind of sorry for Seymour specifically, but for the rest of the them... eh, their "bad" ending in 10-2 where the Ronso go all Sparta on them is pretty fitting for me. Honestly, I'm surprised the al-Bhed didn't try to nuke them later too LOL "Dark elves" indeed
Maria Paz G. Lesme I do... I never knew all this about Seymour. Or if I did, I had forgotten... I haven’t played Final Fantasy X in over 15 years, lol. Seymour definitely seems more justified in killing his father now to me, though...
@AF Games Actually we killed him in the first, but the bastard was so persistent that even death didnt stop him
I feel sorry for him totally personally cause like kefka he is sorely misunderstood, had nobody willing to be for real with him (like how tidus gave yuna reality checks along the way despite people calling him whiney, he had the guts to tell people what they didn't want to hear. even if it was out of being naive, he could have been docile like yuna and kept thoughts unpopular to himself but didn't) and had so many struggles upon him he gained a warped view. even in imaginary places like spira it's lonely at the top and nobody is ever willing nor cares enough to bring you back down to earth and tell you're wrong. He could have been a sacrfical ally to yuna had he changed his ways. By sacrificial I mean I imagine a scenario where he'd go through a tough understanding then decides to aid, tidus is still sorta shady to him but allows him to tag along cause of yuna, and along the way seymour could have been used as some type device inside of sin or against Yunalesca himself.
I finished this game last year and its my favourite game of all time
I'm so glad that people have started making these FFX analysis again, this game is INCREDIBLE and has an amazing story and set of characters. But it's just painful to see the new CGI models from the HD remaster. Gaaawsh what did they do to Yuna, Seymour, and Tidus's faces. 😭 Anyway, I appreciate you analyzing Seymour; I think he makes a great villain but is often overlooked.
I think it's confirmed in the Ultimania that Seymour felt a kinship with Yuna and may have almost loved her.
I think for someone with disordered thinking like Seymour, being able to admire someone and respect them while also being able to use them is about as close to love as you can get. Since he was very intelligent and powerful, he must have felt so bored with most people. To find someone who may possibly be an equal, or close enough, would be so refreshing.
how do I find the ultimania ?
I think he thought it was fate. He wants to be sin and finally find some meaning in all the suffering their world goes through and boom put of nowhere is a half al bhed legacy girl named Yuna of all names. He gets to be the ultimate sin with his own personal Yunalesca amd the people of Spira will even cheer as he puts them to death. How could he say no to such a perfect setup. Too bad for him, Yuna wasnt interested in playing her role in his little fantasies.
I always knew Seymour was kind of a tragic villain, but this video really helped to expand on that concept. Well done!
There’s even more parallels between them:
*Both spent their formative years on islands with Yevon temples
*He may have had ulterior motives for proposing marriage, but Seymour proposed the idea marriage as a means to bring the people together and Yuna accepted as she wished to bring people hope. Much like how both of their parents got together as a result of attempts to foster a relationship with humans and another group of people.
*Both we’re willing to die for goals of defeating Sin and freeing Spira from pain even though their plans on achieving these goals differ (Seymour actually did).
*Both became summoners specifically because of their human parents-both of which would sacrifice themselves and die because of the Final Aeon (in Seymour’s case, it was because his mother became the Final Aeon).
Seymour's motive he told Yuna was a lie. He wanted Yuna to use him to become the Final Aeon, so that he may become Sin himself. He stood the best chance at that as her husband.
Ffx is already my favorite of the franchise.
You just gave me more reason to love the game, it's story and characters 😍
Side note: TPR’s remixes of FF music are quite good. This dude needs some more exposure! You can find his work on UA-cam, but buy his music if you like it!
Amazing work as always FFUnion
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Very interesting, Seymour is a deeper character than he gets credit for I suppose, though I still find him a bit of a joke. I prefer to think of the main antagonists of FFX as Yunalesca and the church of Yevon itself. There's never been a better analogy for our own corrupt religions than FFX and that's what elevates the story way beyond most others. The idea of the characters dying at 17 sounds horrendous...therefore I'm surprised they didn't use it for FFXV. xD
The main antagonist would be more applicable to Jecht, both as the father who literally antagonizes a young Tidus and later on as Sin, culminating to be the de facto final boss as Braska's Final Aeon.
@@Sharikacat Sure, he reminds me of my own Dad too. Except I was put off blitz....I mean football for life. xD
….ya know. They should bring back the old concept and use if for FFXVII. The irony would be deeeeeeep.
I remember noticing this when I played and I thought of Seymour as a tragic character.
Interesting fact: The Roman numeral for 17, XVII, can be rearranged into the Gothic word 'VIXI', which means "I lived".
The logical extension of which is "I am dead".
Damn, I never noticed there were similarities between my girl Yuna, and that murderous psychopath, Seymour!
@Interlude65 Wasn't he driven crazy because of esper experimentation?
@Interlude65 You're all wrong.
The difference between sociopath and psychopath is not "how they are made" (which isn't how mental sickness works in the first place), but what they actually are and do. Sociopaths and psychopaths act completely different, sociopathy CAN be hereditary while psychopathy is ALWAYS acquired.
Both share traits, such as lack of empathy, and antisocial behaviour. However:
A sociopath is a controlled, manipulative and calculative person.
A psychopath is an erratic, violent and impulsive person.
Of the two, psychopathy is the more common one despite not being hereditary at all - though this may also partially be the case because many cases of sociopathy never are diagnosed while psychopathy is pretty obvious.
That's just a nutshell, but hopefully this clears up a few things.
Let's talk FF villains then:
Seymour: Text book example of a sociopath.
Kefka: Text book example of a psychopath.
Sephiroth: Exhibits signs of both - post-Crisis Core mostly psychopath.
Wow guys, so Al Bhed aren't human? It's 2019 guys, I expected better of you, smh.
Grand Wizard Wakka approves.
The Al Bhed are a near-human race. They all have green eyes with uniquely swirled pupils and this is established at some point in the game by someone who states these as traits the Al Bhed are all in possession of. I could be mistaken, but I believe all the Al Bhed who feature in the game have blonde hair, although I don't believe this particular trait was specifically mentioned by anyone in the game. Whilst technically, the Al Bhed are not human (as they are near-human), I would consider it very likely they are a subspecies given the very subtle differences in the physical traits between the two races.
Mark Ritchie Those just sound like racial traits, not species. We have races with different skin colors, differently shaped eyes, etc. Those are way different traits than just being 100% blonde.
So racist. I bet Final Fantasy Union refuses to use machina and uploaded this video from a potato.
Ifrit101 khimari was humanoid as well. But wasn’t human. Al-bhed fall into that category. Similar, but not the same.
Great video! Final Fantasy 10 is amongst my favorite and this video brought alot of things to light I hadn't ever really thought about.
You can make the same parallels between Yuna and Tidus. The game uses characters' relationships with their parents, especially their fathers, as a metaphor for relationship with the past. Everyone with the game is coping with the *sins* of those who came before them in some way. Yuna is hopeful, Seymour is cynical, and Tidus is stuck in the past (literally) and unable to move forward until he gets over his issues with his own father. Furthermore, it's only by merging lessons of the past (Tidus and Auron) with hope for the future (Yuna and Tidus) and a desire for change (literally everyone in the main crew) that the problem of past *sin* is resolved.
Game is deep.
Now this is a Psychological PhD level analysis of FF10's characters. You bring honor to the series with this in-depth take on the subject matter.
Amazing analysis!!! in FFX-2 there was a side quest "Final Fantasy X-2: Fiend Tales - Flan Azul" where this Flan was created from the spirit of a Guado who served Seymour and died two years ago trying to find him. He was talking about how he understand Seymour's darkness solitude and wanting him to easy his pain. Apparently despise Seymour's twisted ways, he had some sympathy for this servant. LINK:ua-cam.com/video/Zz3nRMleG0o/v-deo.html
Man, Seymour's final battle song was epic
Damn I really would love to see or better yet play the What-IF alternate story where Yuna would let Seymour become her Guardian in order of trying to get him to change. Imagine not only Seymour as a permanent party member and the weirdness of having a Guardian that was also an ex-summoner and could still summon Aeons, but also seeing Seymour expressing his desire to become Sin and therefore end up Spoiling the dark secret behind the Final Aeon prior to arriving in Zanarkand. If it happened prior to arriving in Zanarkand, I could totally see Yuna either struggling to decide who to turn into a Final Aeon and Seymour telling her that she needs not worry about that since he would become it for her and then have her still choose not to turn anyone into a Final Aeon when she arrived in Zanarkand.
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Imagine the fight against Seymour that would happen here instead of the several fights that would happen as the story progressed how it had in the game we got. I could see it playing out to where Lady Yunalesca amplifies Seymour's power by augmenting it with some of her own and a fiendesque Seymour summons Anima, Valefor, Ifrit, Shiva, Ixion, & Bahamut all at once similarly to how Yuna summons all the Aeons at once to defeat Sin at the end of FFX how we got it. Not sure if PS2 era hardware could handle that all in battle at the same time (though I guess this What-IF hypothetical alternate game would be on PS4 so it could likely). Now honestly I actually like the idea of them swapping in and out party style as I think that would be a more enjoyable battle than the intense fighting them all at the same time battle. God just imagine having them combo attack with like hybrid mixes of their Overdrive attacks &/or just regular attacks too in a creative combo manner.
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I still think you'd get a multi-boss fight like we did with Yunalesca in FFX proper, but I think Seymour would be the main focus for the first part and maybe upon his defeat, she'd grant his wish and turn him into a Final Aeon that she'd control to fight against Yuna and the rest of your party. I think after the battle the game would play out for the most part how it did in FFX proper with maybe some minor-medium level changes, but eventually it'd reach the same outcome as the original game and we'd even get a final battle against Seymour one last time inside Sin though maybe a little different and harder to defeat since if I recall correctly the battle inside Sin wasn't the hardest Seymour battle in FFX proper; I think the fight against him on Mt Zanarkand was the toughest of the Seymour battles if I recall correctly.
I have always felt bad for him but now I really do lol.
Thank you for adopting me
@@rain1676 huh? Lol
@@candicefarrington2208 I promise serve you well sister
@@rain1676 are you okay sweetie?
What is going on?
All's it would've took is for Yuna to be born with swirly eyes and she would've been just like Seymour.
Anima is my favorite Aeon. I still can't beat her dark form in the International Version.
Also, I still wish Seymour and Yuna could end up together... Like, with Tidus gone/not real... YOu know, maybe they can work things out.
-Yojimbo took care of Dark Anima for me.
Was easy
@@iAERITHE yojimbo is cheating and you know it :P
protect, shell, hastega, quick hit and maxed characters is pretty much all you need. Deathproof gear is pretty much necessary too.
@@jamham69 Nah using cheats is cheating, use yojimbo all you like.
FFX has the best party in the series in my opinion, they’re the only ones who actually seem like a close family who truly care and support pne another instead of a random hodgepodge of strangers who just have a common goal
I agree. FF7 and FF8 characters don't seem very "close" to each other.
@@blessedevelyn339 probably coz both protagonists are brooding loners
Seymour is mixed species. Yuna is mixed race. But I see what you mean.
This was an enjoyable video. I sat in the sun and closed my eyes and listened. Thanks heaps
"Final fantasy X is, without a doubt, a fantastic game."
*_CAW CAW CAW CAW_*
It really is.
The messed up thing is: If Tidus hadn't been dreamed into existence, Yuna and Seymour would have gotten together. Married and "fought" sin together. So tragic being that Yuna is only 17.
Why are there no Guado/Ronso half breeds, or Al Bhed/Guado half breeds, or Ronso/Human half breeds, or Al Bhed/Ronso half breeds?
How do you think each child would look and act? How each pairing of parents would be taken by the population?
If Yuna and Seymour had bred, their child would've been half-human, 1/4th Guado and 1/4 Al Bhed…Maybe a worthy monarch for Spira. Shame Seymour was so troubled or things might've been different.
I was just thinking that myself! Although if Guado are a different species they really shouldn’t be able to interbreed reliably. If it’s a race thing, then it would make more sense. It would be cool if a half human, quarter Guado, quarter Al Bhed came about. They would better represent “the peoples of Spira,” as Seymour is fond of saying. 🤔 So in a way, I was all for that idea. If Seymour hadn’t been crazy. And evil. And creepy.
Man there is not enough ice cream in the world to get someone over that kind of break up. 😳
Tidus and Yuna have a better dynamic completing eachother due to each being in perfect contrast and opposite personality both filling in the missing parts of eachother. Yuna is shy, overly polite, timid, and reserved. Tidus is outgoing, gets to the point, confident, and speaks his mind. They both also have similarities too that go very deep into a multitude of comparisons when analyzed. Seems like the video above searched very hard to make dots connect with Yuna and Seymour creating loose parallels. I enjoy Tidus/Yuna dynamics and parallels alot more. It makes them a perfect couple that complete eachother. I wish they had a few more scenes with them in love (for all those who always go against canon FF relationships) atleast it made more sense than Lulu and Wakka unnecessarily having a baby just for the sake of making them nonplayable in 10-2's unforgiving messiness lol
I've been through a couple of channels dissecting X's lore now, and all of you guys pronounce Jecht's name as Jekt. What's up with that? I get Tidus, we didn't hear his name until much later, but Jecht's name was said out loud through the entire game, very clearly as Jet, or like John. XD
I always enjoyed the contrast between these two characters. Their ideologies, goals and approaches are so stark but it emphasizes the other so well
My most favorite video game ever. I love the story, the world, the characters, the music, the design, the culture… Everything
How did I go nearly 20 years without realizing that Yuna and Seymour were the only two confirmed mixed-race characters in FFX lore???
easily one of the best games. great video also !
No summoner seemed to go through what Yuna did. It is pretty funny how she has to wed Seymour and go through all those dramas while other summoners have a more smooth journey.
Im a huge ffX fan, it was my first and fav final fantasy game and ive lost track of how many times I've played it, but this video opened my eyes to a lot about the game than i realized. great video!
If everyone died at 17, how would anyone have kids, let alone raise them? lol
I think the answer there is Teen Pregnancy. Probably why that game never got made.
Final fantasy 10 has such a place in my heart. I love this game. And I loved this video
Wow it’s 2019 and I’m still learning about certain things about FFX after beating it multiple times, awesome! 👏🏼
Great analysis, played this game twice never thought of that. Only thought seymour as crazy lunatic villain.. with logical assumption on killing all being.. since if you still could live when you died - without all the pain and fear of sin - why not?
I never thought of the Al Bhed as a different race. They're human, they just have a different ideology than the Yevonites. The only real difference is the eye-swirl thing, which could be just a sign of how separate the two have been from each other for centuries.
I guess different 'race' in the same way that caucasian and asian are different 'races' but when you have the wookie-like Ronso and TWO kinds of fish-people wandering around, race tends to be a little more... defined.
Those eyes are so strange to me that I assumed Al Bhed had something else about them. Considering the fishy Hypello, catty Ronso and long fingered hedgehead Guado. Rikku... CAN DO ITEM ALCHEMY???
Their history is even more tragic.
They were pretty much low class workers who were forced to make weapons for Bevelle on the threat of execution and were blamed for all wars that occurred.
Wow this was posted while I'm playing thru ffx lol
Ditto. I’m on the highbridge just stealing from kicking machina. Remedies for 375 per steal. 😁 Also if you pilfer gil you get almost 1k on the first attempt. It’s a great place to grind.
I will never not love this game, and you've just revealed some even greater depth to this masterpiece that I had not already realised.
It's good they didn't go with the everyone dies at 17 because everyone would be needing to have kids at 10 and by 13 your too old and whose raising those kids you'll die before they hit 17.
X-2 also had a lot of connectivity, in fact Yuna mentions it at the end of Chapter 2 (I believe? I could be wrong). She mentions everything being connected by strings.
This video is beautifully edited. Just wanted to mention that to you. Great work!
You coyld say that Seymour is Yuna's Dark Eon version. On top of that, SPOILER ALERT..... the ending reminds me of Klonoa Door to Phantomile: Yuna=Huepow, Tidus=Klonoa. The tidusness this game brought me has partially, ultimately not allwed me to see behind the façade of these two characters. A good parallel could also be done between Maechen and Shelinda, or Shelinda and the chocobo guy. Maechen and Enoch (the old grand priest man).
I'm sorry but, whenever I see Wakka spinning around with all of the fayth flying by him, I can't help but think that he's saying "Yeah, dead Al Bhed's! YEAH!!! Look at them go brotha! I hope they don't make it to Heaven! I haven't seen anything this beautiful!"
Better to be dead than Al Bhed, eh bruddah?
Except Wakka let go of his anger and bitterness, and no longer blamed the Al Bhed.
Nice try though on the Wakka hate.
@@darkcarnival1805 It was a Super Best Friends Play reference.
There is a lot of ambiguity and depth to FF villain figures actually, especially when you go beyond the abstract grand evil super-being villain figures.
Wow... Wakka was right, Al Bhed aren't even human.
cool video, never saw it that way. Also, Jecht > all
"And this would manifest by having individuals throughout the world die once they became 17"
So if the human race wasn't going to die out within a generation women would have to have a kid before 17. And if the population wasn't going to be on a constant decline then women would have to have an average of _two_ children before 17. So at _best_ they'd have to start trying to have kids at 15, and earlier would probably be "better" since it can sometimes take awhile to get pregnant even when you're trying. And of course shortly after giving birth to their children they would die and someone else would have to raise their kids. So it would be a world full of orphan teens getting pregnant.
I can see why that idea didn't pan out.
The Al Bhed are human. They are an ethnic group of humans, not a different race.
Nice points mate, but I take exception with a few things. I don't think calling Seymour's goal to eliminate all life in Spira "nihilistic" is an accurate way to describe it. Nihilism posits that life is meaningless and nothing really matters. If Seymour was a nihilist, he wouldn't have cared enough to work as hard as he did at his goal. A more accurate term to describe Seymour's motivation is Negative Utilitarianism. Negative Utilitarianism is the philosophical position that it is always better to reduce the amount of suffering in the world wherever possible, instead of maximizing the amount of 'positive'. Thus, the end of this line of reasoning is that all life should be exterminated for its own benefit, hence Seymour at one point exclaiming "I will destroy Spira! I will save it!".
I also don't think it's necessarily fair to attribute his philosophical position toward life as coming about due to the rejection of his father. There is a lot of time missing between the game briefly showing him at 8 years old in Baaj temple, and when we see him as an adult in the contemporary storyline. Anything could've really happened during that time.
Thanks for the videos.
I think you meant to say Half Yevonite half Al Bhed. They're both human, lol :p
Al Bhed are a distinctly different species though, hence Yuna having heterochromatia with a single spiral eye
@@JeebleyJim Are they? Last time I checked, they were just a different race and/or religion than the Yevonites. If anything, Yuna isn't interspecies, but interracial
JeebleyJim Different species cannot reliably mate or reproduce, so based on that I’d posit the idea that perhaps Al Bheds AND Guado may be races. If the Guado were in isolation for long enough, in particular conditions, eh, over time adaptations would be made.
Very well-delivered! Keep up the great work!
The most beautiful, cohesive, and complete final fantasy narrative. Which is why it's still my favorite (and no, it was far from my first).
yea but Braska married yuna's mom with love not like Jiskal.
He went to kill the monster who killed his wife.
The other dude made his son the monster he is today.
@Ashley Lynn i do believe Tidus mother was here for him, it's more the fact that he does miss his father which turned into hatre over years even after jetch went missing but yea about seymour
He can choke on a Shoopuff's tail
@@SaikeeKonosukeLucyet they bonded deeply in the end. Proper masculine right of passage.
iirc Seymour also insisted on marrying Yuna in an interestingly echoing manner to the way his own parents got together in the first place?
This is an amazing video! Nice work.
I would love to see more videos on other "parallels" between characters we see in the Final Fantasy universe. There are a ton throughout the franchise, especially from FF Tactics War of the Lions.
You communicated the depth of this story in excellent style!
So Yuna is still married to Seymour lol
I've wondered this myself... is she technically a widow?... just... what? :P
@@FinalFantasyUnion Well, we didn't see or hear her say 'Yes", so technically it's not valid, I think.
Seymour Butts XD
Spoiler: I am pretty sure it is illegal to marry a corpse. The marriage is null and void. Obviously unconsummated.
It depends I think. In some cultures if it’s a verbal agreement, then saying “yes,” or “I do,” finalizes it, in others it’s the paperwork and the entire ceremony is more religious than anything about the actual marriage status in the eyes of the world.
You could say since it was at least somewhat against her will, under threat, false imprisonment, that her actions were not of her own free will and therefore the marriage is invalid.
Since Seymour was already dead, that also precludes marriage in most countries (although some have a thing to allow marriage to a dead person to afford them company in the afterlife). But it being a secret, at least for a time, wouldn’t have changed the marriage in the eyes of the public.
So I don’t think of her as lawfully married to Seymour, but it’s an interesting question.
I thought you said we were having steamed hams.
Definitely would have liked this game more if all this info was presented in the story lol
I think in the case of Yuna, even had they known her family history, they probably still would have accepted her. Its easy to be prejudice against an unknown face but its much harder to agree with the standards when you put a face to the fear. While Wakka does not know about Yuna's heritage, Lulu did not seem shocked by Tidus learning it. Infact, it seems like she already knew and it didn't push her away from Yuna. More than that, she became her guardian, pushing her to risk her life to ensure Yuna either called forth the Final Aeon or give up the journey altogether. Wakka has lingering hate for what happened to Chaupu. I still don't think he would have abandoned Yuna in the grand scheme of things though. Everyone in the village was extremely supportive of Yuna and I like to think its because of Yuna as oppose to High Summoner Braska's influence and just having the conservative village style influence.
As for Seymour, I think this si a different scenario. The Guado kind of remind me of the elves in a lot of fantasy stories. Very proud, long living, and stubborn. They believe their race is the most supreme. Mix races is kind of like the half elves of fantasy stories. Always criticized for it. Especially when an elf is involved. Jyscal shared criiticism when he was with another race and bore harsh ire when they had a child. There wasn't enough time to bare sentiment to put a face to the prejudice like Yuna had so their minds were made up before he even had a vhance. Sure changed their tune when he became a Grand Maester but I'm sure Seymour had no problem sending the Guado too their deaths after what he went through as a child. He had no love for them and the Gaudo only wanted to show how superior they were. Didn't help that the Guados' numbers were abysmal before they attacked Home and were on the brink of extinction after the fact.
Now I don’t feel bad that Jyscal was murdered by Seymour. He abandoned his son instead of loving him for being mixed race. Doesn’t make up for all the other things Seymour did but I see why he’d hate his father
... I must admit, I don't really find FFX that great, in fact I think it's one of the weaker entries mainly due to the fact that the plot is a mess, some of the characters are just weak/stupid and there were WAY too many dumb moments/character actions to ignore! Yet it does have some fantastic moments such as the Suteki da ne scene and of course the magnificent ending. Then, you have Auron. One of the greatest, if not THE greatest supporting male character in all of Final Fantasy.
But now, I have to admit... You gave me quite an insight with this video. I honestly never would have considered the parallels between Yuna and Seymour. It really shows quite a unique depth of how similar their histories are-hell, they're practically the same as you said. What made the difference was one simply having a bit more kindness and wisdom in their upbringing. It's... Really hard not to analyze this now that you got me started. I tip my hat to you.
Now... That said... Can we just honestly say that YUNA should have been the main character in FFX!?
But she is.
Viewpoint character and main character rarely are the same.
FFX is the best story ever told
What if yuna HAD got married to seymour, would that have changed his destiny, and hers? Dark side yuna? Light side seymour? Yuna would still have kept her guardians around I think, so I find it more likely that seymour would have changed, rather than yuna, having never had loving company during his life, maybe he would have found a new path.
Yeah the original 17 yo limit sounds interesting BUT that also means children are conceived equal to or less than than the limit age, i don't think most people ready for that concept at the time of release
Or you could just watch/read Logan's Run.
@@thecreator625 i love that film. But not many people probably not like the idea
"Even after I am gone, Spira's sorrow will prevail."
Probably the only thing Seymour said that was true
Perhaps Tidus’s experience of a chilling, stone environment is a metaphor for Seymour’s childhood/upbringing in exile...
I...damn this was good. Thank you. Never really thought of them being so similar even knowing both their origins. The idea that connectivity is a major theme too. Idk, I love when people still show this level of intrigue and passion for older games (remastered/remade or not). Thank you for the video!
FFX = great game! Interesting explanation!
I wish I could skip the movie parts after playing game many times. Is there a different game I can play nearly as good as FFX?
I have a lot of questions about Anima tho. If she was destined to be a final aeon, why didn't it kill him when he summoned her ? Didn't Yunalesca made the ritual ? He arrived to Zanarkand with his mother, so I'm a little confused about that
To everyone who is annoyed at the pronunciation of Tidus: get over it.
People mispronounce many Japanese places like Hiroshima or British places like Bicester and I don’t go around correcting people of it, it’s whatever makes it comfortable for you to say.
Great video! I loved the topic and the music that you chose for this episode. TPR definitely needs more exposure the music that he puts out is great. Have a great day everyone!!
Thanks for doing videos on this game, it had such an impact on me as a child.