I Have the Key to Your House! Ali Express Try-Out Keys
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Well, Maybe not everyones keys, but certainly some people! I couldn’t resist the clickbaity title on this one, so do accept my apologies 😁 When I saw these keys on sale, I really did need to play with them though.
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I'm a locksmith, I use these as my third attempt to gain entry, and find that they usually do the job. Very good quality for the price.
Whats your first and second?
@@codyclem7146 Plastic shim is 1st depending on the gap, Lishi is next, again depending on if the lock is on the right side or left side and you have visibility to read it, then the "try-out" keys.
@@codyclem7146 your a liar true locksmiths just drill yo shit out and charge you $600 in total plus a 10% discount because we are mr "nice guy"
Our exterior locks haven't been used in so long, the pins have rusted in the cylinder, and the springs probably don't even spring anymore thus making them impervious to non destructive entry. This is the future of security, other than clamores. Claymores are always the better option.
That pesky darned brass rust!! Grrr!
@@RASAllusion Worse than ferrous rust?
"impervious to non destructive entry." AKA a wall.
@@bribbripnairbnab7301 shhhh thats a production trade secret for my gazillion dollar brass magnet! 🤣😂
Lol
These should be considered as highly specialized rakes. It would be interesting to know if these can actually open locks with real security pins. The raking behavior is the reason why 48 keys are enough.
That Abus had spool pins
The newer Lockwood 201's have spool pins, these keys open them with ease.
Had my set for ages before I actually decided to play with them. But they do actually work and have also worked on some 6 pin locks. So far I have managed to open many ERA, TSS, MAXUS, SKS and YALE cylinders plus others. And as you stated the profiles really do not have to match to actually open locks. It is all about the wriggle/jiggle in the lock while applying light tension. They can come in handy.
I love this type of thing!!!
The best way to find your key is to take your house number, divide by two and add four . Then drop the last two digits and that is your key!!! 🤣
Great stuff!!! 🐈🐾🐈⬛🐾🇬🇧🍻
lol
It's easier to look under the mat, or in the potted plant
I haven’t read all of the comments, however, there is a booklet called lock pick design and engineering which is worth a read. The author talks about probing the lock to establish some if not all the key cut depths, or at least to estimate them. This procedure could save time ,instead of trying out all the variants, you would have an idea which were the likely keys. Another idea is real off the flat pieces on the keys and insert a tension tool, this will give each key more “rockability “ if you get what I am saying.
Mike
well single bit picking is still faster and even if you aren't good at it, there are lock decoder picks that have the bitting scale and position marked on them and you just have to single pick it with the help of the scale. you don't even have to know how deep or shallow you are lifting the pin because the scale is telling you everything and after you picked it you can read out the numbers while having the lock rotated half way, so you can make yourself a second key after picking it once.
Cool!
While I love the challenge of SPP a lock open, I also love all things to do with opening a lock without its actual key. I'll definitely purchase a set of these when I have the money to pay for them. As always, love your videos and thanks for posting, Lock Noob!
These I find fun, but mostly useless
Wow-I knew that my door locks aren't anything special, but I definitely saw (as best as my optical calipers are working) a try-out key with more or less my biting!! No, I won't tell you which one!!
Lol 😁
I just got a set of these. They may come in handy for opening some locks if I do not want to use picking or bumping. I am starting a mobile locksmith service for lockouts and rekeying. We have one locksmith in town and he is older and does not want to do the house calls. He has a nice shop though. Even if they are no good, they are pretty cool.
This set could provide a bit of fun. 100% agree with your assessment, and enjoyed your video.
Thanks 🙏
Tryouts definitely need to be for the lock you’re opening not just generic. Kwikset smartkey system is one of the best to use them for but there’s still 253 keys to try.
253 isn’t that many tbh
@@LockNoob it’s not, nor is it expensive to cut them if you have the equipment, that’s why a lot of locksmiths have them. A decoder is around the same price as buying one a tryout set and even more useful though.
I never got that Aero set KW1 to ever work once so I sold it 254 keys takes a long time anyway
@@rmsg7504 I have no idea on the quality of that one I know you can do the work to cut a good set and they’re jigglers but smiths I’ve worked with get 90% or more success with them. It’s just math to learn the bittings you need and going in between two bittings so you can hit either with some wiggling. I’ve even got a theory in a flat metal set like these I want to build. But it will be worked out with a fellow smith first. The math seems to check out I just gotta get some other opinions. If I’m right it could reduce the differs even further. I’m betting I’m missing something though lol.
@@canoepick1140 I had zero luck. I know you can cut them yourself on a 1200 or a framon, the key cut list is out there. Supposedly, that set is better. However if you can pick a lock, the tryout keys for KW1 are almost a waste of time. The only way I can see their value is if you have a SmartKey lock on a tool box or a digital lock that you cannot easily or without damage pull the cylinder to use a reset cradle. In almost 17 years I've only picked 3-4 SmartKey locks in the wild. Or of course if the user can't pick a KW1. There is also a 32 key tryout set you can make which I actually did. It has worked twice ever. Too heavy to carry around and faster to pick, bump, bypass, or drill. Even a crappy manual pick gun works better than the tryout key sets I've tried for KW1. That's just me, I do have a few guys I know that claim they work for them. I just haven't seen it with my own eyes. I think these keys in this video look MORE promising.
A less infinite library of babel. In theory you can make a collection of keys that will open 99% of all locks on the planet. This will be a massive collection of skeleton keys, tumbler keys in any made pinout, tumbler keys, dimple keys, car keys, etc. It won’t be practical but it would be cool to say to everyone you meet that you have a copy of all of their keys.
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The world's most elaborate city rake set. 🤣
For real. As Ash was flipping thru them exactly what I was thinking.
Yeah lol
I ordered these recently and still waiting on them and just happened to come across this video. Awesome! Can't wait to get em. Thanks buddy.
fun to see 🤩 I got exactly the same keys in the mailbox today, but haven't tested them yet, so thank you for yet another great video 🙂👍
Thanks! Let me know what you think
It would be great if they had the # that were more likely to work with specific companies like: 1-5 Master, 6-10 Schlage, or 11-15 Abus. A cheat sheet would come in handy.
And 6 pin versions too
@@LockNoob 6 pin would be very handy.
A handy set of rakes.
They could be
I find any tool for lock opening interesting. The average citizen doesn't realize that the average locksmith probably can't pick a decent lock; instead they use try-out keys, maybe some rakes, then they grab the drill or core puller to get on with things 🤬 It's useful in a toolkit for non-destructive work, and of course the more tools you have the more impressed the customer is 😁 And we can never have too many 'toys' can we? 😅
Haha I don't know man, I think I may have gone a little mad with all these lock 'toys', possibly even crossing the threshold into obsession. It all started 3 or 4 years ago when I bought a cheap set of Goso picks off AliExpress out of passing curiosity, and it all spiraled out of control after that. I have accumulated so much lock related stuff its kind of nuts. It has progressed well beyond locksport at this point. I have an example... A few months ago my dad stops by my house and hands me a padlock and tells me he lost the key. He wanted to know if I knew how to make a new key for it. It was a 6 pin Best SFIC core with a Schlage E keyway mounted in a 50mm brass Master Lock body. I said 'sure dad, no problem'. I picked it to control and removed the core, took the core apart, identified the bittings, then cleaned and reassembled. I then made the keys for control, master, and sub-master AND while I was at it also made him a second brand new lock pinned exactly like the original. I had all the stuff I needed for this just lying around. I'm not even a lock smith, I'm just a guy with a weird hobby.
I think there is nothing wrong with buying stuff like this if it’s fun and you can afford it
@@anekroth Lol, I know what you mean. I'm also a 'radio nut' and saw a 'novelty' shaped radio I'd always wanted on Ebay 20+ years ago so I grabbed it. After some browsing I found another, then another. I realized there's thousands of these so if I were going to do a collection I should settle on a single theme. That done the mania developed and I now have at least the third largest collection of "round" radios in the world at a cost I'd love to recover but can't as the market ain't there anymore 🥺 All in boxes now, mania and hobby over, the one most desirable and rare radio of this genre is so rare and pricey I'll never have it, and that's about the only further accomplishment I can make here. I don't regret my interest and a few of my buys, but I regret the obsession and the time and money spent on most of this and if there's any good to be found, it is that I have now learned to avoid collecting for collection sake, because I can't deal with that well 😑
I'll never have a bunch of locks because of that. I can't let me start going there. It's as bad for me as my addictions were and like them it has to be a total ending or there WILL be a restart and no stopping from that point onward. If it's not hurting you or anyone and it gives you pleasure that's great- do as you please. But going too crazy with anything can change a good thing into one that's bad for you, so always be aware and re-assess your self from time to time. And have fun 😁
@@LockNoob Yeah totally agree. Its a pretty great hobby, and the skill sets can be genuinely useful sometimes. Btw, some Lock Noob fellow went and designed some new stuff with Multipick and now my Elite collection isn't complete anymore. I think I may need to add a few new items to my collection soon lol.
Most of us Locksmiths don't have time to waste with SPP, unfortunately. I would love to pick more locks, but when it's pouring rain and freezing outside, the customer just wants in ASAP and picking is the slowest nondestructive entry method.
If I had a choice between all of these and one decent Bogota - I wouldn't be taking these. Interesting video as usual. Nice one.
I agree with you
I personally would suggest getting a Lishi tool over any set of multi jigglers.. but each to their own
Yes, hard to argue with that
Im a sucker for having jigglers and tryout keys so for the cost of £23 shipped I had to grab a set, Thanks for the video and link Bro..🙂
As long as you are aware of their shortcomings they are fun!
Wanted to come back to this video to tell you I got this set and so far I got two locks opened.
Looks like a quality set and affordable price. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks 🙏
I think these are probably useful for long term red teaming. I.e. if you can't pick a lock, but can do 1 tryout a day. In roughly 2 months you can go through all of them without raising too much suspicion.
They look really fun but I'm going to try and master the old methods before I start looking for shortcuts.
Definitely
You don’t need every possible permutation because they aren’t all in spec for the a particular system. For example an important limitation is the maximum distance pin heights can be apart from each other. So mathematically a 0 9 0 cut could be made but outside of challenge locks they’re considered out of spec and you don’t need a tryout for that cut series in any position. This and other considerations reduce the number of tryouts you actually need to be much lower than the math suggests.
Although "0" is a legit cut on a Schlage key, you will never see that in factory bitting.
@@robertboudrie2234 Actually, I always buy 0 bitted locks.
@@robertboudrie2234 I see 0's on factory keys all the time, especially 6 pin commercial cylinders, including from Allegion.
More to your point, though, they don't need to sweep the whole range for Schlage because their own tolerance spec assumes that being off by .023" should still meet the sheer line, and the cut specifications are only .015" between cut depths. A 25942 should, with a bit of jiggle, operate a cylinder pinned to 34851, which is why Schlage requires two step mastering.
@@sciguy98 I've only heard of the "No zeros" in relation to factory bitted off the shelf cylinders for the consumer marked (the "C" keyway)
I recommend reordering based on the #1 pin cut because that's the one you often can see and guestimate the depth.
In addition, shorting the upper part to 3mm longer than the shoulder should help for tighter keyways and not slipping when jiggle thou.
Have you tested using to at once and slide them against each other to gain more combinations i time ?
I’ve not tried 2… might work
You should use a torsion wrench when using these to actually turn the cylinder
If there is room, definitely
Weeellll... I installed multilock dimple locks. So not my house. But definitely my neighbors
I love picking multilocks
LOL loved the intro 👌
Fun gimmick and great to hear your thoughts on these 👍
I would be tempted to buy them if I saw them cheap out of curiosity, but now having seen your video I guess my curiosity is satisfied already 🤪
Thanks for the fun video, cheers 🍻
Cheers!
Great to see you took the filming studio to the beach with you ;)
Lol
I’ve been looking at those. I just haven’t ordered them yet. I find things like this interesting.
Me too!
Aliexpress seem to send you offers if you add something to your basket several times and then leave it there for a couple of months... at least it has for me. If you are not in a rush it's a good way to get offers, most recently I bought a crossbow that way and it came down from £200 to £60.
I got some for similar reasons, just to see, figured they may be a reasonable material for making some rakes if they were rubbish. Had some success with them but am undecided also. Looking forward to others feedback.
Yeah, they are OK and a bit of fun but not great
Just what I need. Iv lost the keys to one of my garages, and don't fancy drilling the barrel out.
When I interned at a locksmith, I opened 5 and 6 pin locks faster with just a pick and a strip of "film" ... Takes only a few sec to lift the pins and push in the strip. Yes you need access to the back of the lock to use the film strip method. The locksmiths would "just" use a "knock key" and the end of a screwdriver.. 1 max 3 knocks and the lock open... So I totally agree with you, they are more gimmick than useful..
Yup
The key that wouldn't work is because the middle cuts were too high. The one that worked the first pins were lower so when you giggled it lifted the front pins
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I have a set of 10. And I find lots of times the simplest one is the most effective
The kw1 lishi does the same but only one tool instead of a big ring of keys lol
I call it the grand grand master key
Yup, a good choice
And I do have Residencial Gigglers that I use with a Tentioner!...BUT I think this will be amazing upgrade!! It would work GREAT for Smart Key Technology 🔑
Interesting concept, kind of like key rakes? Pretty cool😎
Sort of but jiggler is it’s category
I'm with you Ash, even items that may be considered "gimmicky", I still enjoy checking them out on the chance that they could be effective, or that I could possibly find them useful for a purpose other than intended. Its all part of the fun 🤷🏻♂️👍🤷🏻♂️👍
Agreed!!
Totally part of the fun. Especially like you said when it's for something else. Like "oh I have the perfect thing for this" and it one of those things like who cares if it breaks as long as it does the job first. It's always fun to save the day
I would get them to have a mess.. I like trying out things if they are not expensive and different… who knows.. I have seen them on Ali as well.
Thanks for sharing, take care ⭐️
You too!
Just purchased them. Waiting for the long slow shipping from China
Cool, I think they are fun if not massively useful
I so these keys on line the other day....and thought to just cut the tension part off, and then use my Tension Rench and BAAAAAM!!!
Its easy when you can check the original key shape, and just take a similar.
Interesting Set. If there was a 6 pin set I would consider.
It’s a shame they are only for the 5 pin locks
Great video Ash mate very interesting 🇬🇧😊😎👊👍
Thanks Leon!
I think they are interesting. I really like the channel. Got into lock 🔐 picking because of my brother. He was friends with someone who owns a business.
Yep another thumb up from me, haha reminds me to go shopping soon, I may skip on these as want to play a bit with bumpkeys first... Nice video as usual.
Bumpkeys can be fun
They would be fun to play with.
They are!
Ooh! Nice fingerprints! I wonder if that would let us unlock your phone? 🤣
looks like sore fingers to me ;), thanks for sharing, they do look great
Yeah pretty sore after trying so many keys. So much quicker to just pick lol
Good video and you made the comment I was going to post obsolete at the end!
Thanks 🙏
Looks like they actually put some thought into it with the cut down the middle.
I quite like the design
Thank you very much for this demo!
I have been curious about these for quite a while.
I have a set of 21 tryout jigglers (a ring of 10 and a ring of 11) I bought from HUK lockpick, but have never tried. I forget the price, but must have been cheap or I wouldn't have them.
I have a different opinion of them than you. I think they are a useless gimmick for lock pickers like us.
The only real use I can think of is for a thief with no lock picking skill.
But they do make a mild conversation piece for someone interested in unauthorised entry.
I don’t particularly rate these as a useful tool… but they are made pretty well for what they are and I did have fun with them. Wouldn’t recommend for a hobbyist
Im a younger boy just getting into lock picking as a hobby. I had someone steal my cheap set of lock picks so now I only have 1 curved pick. I wish I could afford some clear locks to help with practice and even a set of these keys or lock picks again 😔
Just bought a set from Amazon. It had only 30 keys instead of the 48 advertised.
not sure it will also set the 10 sidebar pins on my ruko garant plus, and the 6th pin might also be bad for those keys. they might also not work with UK lever style locks.
hehe, guessing the protecs here will be fine also. probably the bilock and the twins will be okay as well.
No, they definitely work with the Protec 2 😄
@@LockNoob please show that in your next live
I do need to do a live soon actually
Ooh, this looks like it could be neat. Guess we'll find out
What did you think?
@@LockNoob I thought they were pretty cool! Could be a fun thing to have kicking around
After you demoed them I think they are just junk. However you did a wonderful job describing them and demoing them. I think it could take you longer trying to use them and you may miss the one that would have worked. Thank you so much for going through the effort. I think they were worth it for you as it gave you a good video and it saves all your viewers from having false impressions of them.
Thanks 😊
11.35min might be a master key. That's why it can open even though the key cut is different.
I really like stuff like this... jigglers, sparrows coffin keys etc. Defo getting a set
They are fun, but not super useful imo
@@LockNoob I have another question if that is okay, what are the devices called for extracting cores from eurocylinders and prevent the driver pins and springs being ejected while you have the core removed?
$36 USD so I ordered a set. could be pretty useful! Thanks for the video!
Thanks 🙏
hmmm, looks like these wont work on my door, since my door has a DIMPLE LOCK.
Very interesting video
Not sure if you want to make this sort of video but some of my favorite videos from bosnianbill were his "junk" video and I think getting some of the super awful tools could make some interesting content
Great video as always 👍
I shy away from calling things outright junk as some cheap pick sets are all some people can afford and often will get you into a few locks even if they aren’t perfect
@@LockNoob I sincerely commented your positive attitude 👍 thanks for sharing your perspective on this. Much appreciated
I'm with you... love the stuff too!
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Good for a bit of fun I would say but that's about it. I will say this though 🤔Is this where you got your idea from for your latest project with Sparrows? You know the break off key and tension tool. If it is it's great thinking.
No, though I can sort of see the similarities. The problem with lock picking, is when you break it down, all the tools sorta work the same way…
@@LockNoob You have a very good point sir 🙂👍🏻
I lost the keys to my ebike battery lock which is a AXA or ABUS lock I think, A lock smith tried to pick it with picks,rakes and levers without luck, does anyone know how I can go about opening it please maybe a better method thankyou
Nice, my school only has these.
it looks like you could stack them to make different keys.
you could stick one of those in someones door and snap it off so they have to get it out in order to open the door
😎thanks for sharing. 😎
Thanks
I imagine these would appeal more to a low-skilled burglar than to a highly-skilled locksmith.
Even then… I’m not certain
Only if the low-skilled burglar was willing to hang around looking very suspicious outside the door for ten-minutes plus.
Low skilled burglars use a crowbar or their foot.
It's been my experience that few locksmiths are good pickers if they SPP at all. It's not necessary and it doesn't fit the business model of best profits coming from the fastest work. They use try-out keys (good ones) and pick guns, then maybe4 some raking but not on cheap locks/cores like Kwikset and Schlage; those get drilled right away.
@@P_RO_ Interesting point. I know that all the locksmiths I know use pick guns.... and use pick guns. That's it.
What would you consider good try-out keys (as a matter of interest)?
Great, but have you a function Link for this Keys ?
Question: did anyone consider snapping off the straight edge to allow for more jiggling in more profiles??
You could and use a tension tool as someone else said
What about double sided wafer locks?
One weakness: Our Home address lol
Lol
Lockpicking Lawyer, 2.0... UK style :D
You know we’ve done a vid together?
@@LockNoob Actually, no I did not. I will have to find it... I literally just found your channel. Fastest subscription I think I've ever done :D
Abus is what Walmart uses haha
Cool!
Awesome video!!
Thanks 😊
Seems like you could eliminate all that trial and error with a nice rake..I get it was a demo, but I'll stick to my multipick kit thank you.
A rake is far better IMO
"I have the key to your house!" > (Chuckles in Abloy with a custom profile accent)
(Laughs in core puller) 😉
@@LockNoob (Squeaky voice) They are a bit fragile
@@LockNoob You should have seen the look on my face when Bosnian Bill just core dumped one with a bolt.. :)
I randomly discovered these after LPL did his video on the Sowoyoo lever lock pick. We'll see if they're Chinese garbage or not if they ever show up.
Let me know
wouldnt it make more sense to cut off the flat parts of these, smooth over the pointed parts of the bittings and then use them with a tension tool as rakes?
Maybe!
Excellent video 😁
"I have the key to your door... IF the bitting is right."
Well yes, that' how keys work.
Exactly! Glad we are on the same page 😁
so the best pick resistant lock is a rusty junk that takes violent rage with the correct key to open.
Lol
To help your mate out who`s wife has taken his shed keys to work and that`s where he keeps his lager yes,a very worthy purchase,Only if he doesn`t want her to know,if he doesn`t care just kick the door in lol 😁
32,768 different possible combos I believe
My house lock is more of a rectangular shape from abloy
Same you can order car keys
This way you can open cars .
A carbide drill will open the lock quicker than those tryout keys.
Most probably
not sure if you have done a video about pin tumbler jigglers i am sure that would make a great video
I need to get some!
_AliExpress?_
Kinda shocked they didn't just send you the S-ring they come on. Or that you got em at all.
Looks like these are no longer available a year later.
Do the keys work on cars? Or rather is there a set for cars. I am trying to learn car lock smithing and the chip's key to start a small business. So please let me know
There are car jugglers too
Infact you have none of my keys😂
Lol
I know what you mean about wanting them. They are high quality, except maybe they could have chosen a thicker grade steel.. Or does the flexure improve chances of picking?
I think the thinness allows for more movement in the lock and more chances for an open
@@LockNoob Thanks Mr Noob 😁, I guess its a reasonable compromise.
I have been following Lockpickinglawyer for a while now, this video is quite interesting as well.
Iknow nothing about lock picking, I just happen to appreciate this kind of content.
Give it a go, it’s great fun!