@@baz1184 Draymond at his peak was DPOY, a great playmaker, a decent shooter, and couple play centre and open up the floor for them. DeAndre at his peak wasn't as productive, let alone now when he's not even the best centre on his roster
This sounds like the war on drugs. A useless cycle of ratcheting up “forced compliance.” Fundamentally these players and teams are going to be scheming. They are only going to fully entrench this methodology
The start of the story about Draymond is actually incorrect. He was talking to KD long before they lost to the CAVS. Listen to All The Smoke podcast to hear him describe it.
@Michael Bailey ah yes, because drafting 3/4 of your best players is the weakest, softest way to build a team. Compared to the Lakers, clippers rn with 0/2, nets with 0/3,
It's a tough question with an even tougher answer for sure. It's so hard to really want a league where all 30 teams have some semblance of equality in terms of competing, but not having quite either of any world to enforce it. Oh, and does anyone know what the music is at the last minute of the vid? Dope beats.
1:27 "enduce" is not a word... i was relieved when i looked back and saw that this wasn't the NBA's screwup. but also kind of surprised given the production quality of this video.
goddamn dude you seriously hit the nail on the head in every single video ive watched of yours! you do extremely good work explaining things and the research alone i applaud you for. keep these videos coming please!
To me, the only reasons tampering could be bad are: 1. Small market teams suffer from it much more as they don't have the allure of a larger, richer, more glitzy team 2. The league could become very boring once a small few certain superteam become consistently dominant
Personally I think that small markets can overcome the glamour gap by hiring a good front office and coaching staff. Compare the Heat, Mavs, Spurs, Bucks, Jazz, Thunder, and Raptors to Bulls, Knicks, and Nets (3 out of 5 biggest NBA markets). Sure the Nets are maybe on the rise and the Thunder's future is a mystery but the point is that despite all the tampering players flock to good teams not good markets 9/10 times.
@@harmonicarchipelgo9351 Most of the big-name players on those small market teams were either drafted or traded, and did not sign there in free agency, as is the case with most tampering cases. Also, the Raptors are absolutely not a small market team. We (I'm from the 905) had one of the highest attendances in the league this year, and the fanbase extends to most places in Canada
@@davispo7550 I included the Raptors because they don't have the prestige of the big market teams in the US and are thus perceived as such by the media and presumably the players. The phrase "big market" is pretty ambiguous. The point is that the Raptors did well because of their player development, drafting, etc. not because Toronto is a premium destination city. And what you said is exactly my point. Even if big markets have an advantage in recruitment, small markets have the tools to compete because of the draft, salary cap, and trading. Many players go to small markets via draft or trade but then renew their contract if the team is good, often skipping their free agency voluntarily. Some small market teams, like the Heat, are good at recruiting and often get top free agents (the Miami beaches don't hurt) in addition to those basic tools. Point being, player agency hurts badly run big market teams like the Knicks more than well run small market teams.
waterisformless what the other guy said is collusion but direct contact between ownership/management with that player but when you do it indirectly through an agent or player muddys of the water for the NBA can’t come down on a team
I need a video explaining why ‘tampering’ is bad before I care about a video explaining how to stop it. It seems everyone just accepts it because it’s a rule. The only rationale I can see is to make it easier for employers to control their employees. If that’s the only basis then the rule is immoral, and it is not immoral to break and immoral rule. Also, since all teams break the rule, seems to me they want the rule there so that they can break it and take a minor fine, but punish and smear players when they break it. Everyone hates KD for doing what he wants, but nobody abuses Bob Myers for doing a deal that involved tampering. Hypocrisy and power imbalance. I am open to being ignorant on other more benevolent rationales.
You are right. I'd rather the players, who are what the league is all about, making decisions and building teams instead of being forced to play with teams they don't want to, getting moved around like pawns and being rewarded for their loyalty by getting the boot as soon as the team has something to gain by trading them. It's ok for a team to shove you away when you're not contributing in a way they imagined, but if a player is displeased with how a team works you can't do anything about it, just rot there until your contract expires. Fuck that
It's because sports leagues - unlike the real world - try and artificially maintain balance across all franchises, instead of allowing the market to dictate who goes where. Tampering goes against that balance because not all teams can offer the same things to all players and inevitably the large markets will dominate all the talent because they can tamper better than anyone else by offering more than anyone else. While that may be fair and good to us as individuals, it isn't good for the overall health of the league that needs to pitch all of its franchises have something to play for. Fewer franchises means less money for everyone including players and owners so it's actually short-sighted to allow tampering and benevolence has nothing to do with it really.
@@Apollovn The salary cap is about as much as the league can do for small market teams. Players aren't going to sign in a small market (unless they drafted talent and are the contending favorites) even with anti tampering rules in place. Can't remember the last time a player wanted to sign with the Wolves, Raptors, Grizzlies, etc. Hell, the only reason the Raptors were on the map was because Kawhi got forced there, and left immediately. Players will go to contenders or big markets. So unless a small market is drafting talent, the contenders will always be the big free agent destinations.
@@awayinmymind3970 I agree with you to a point, but Miami isn't a big market and neither is Dallas or San Antonio. Technically Toronto is the 4th biggest market in North America so its more complicated than that. We don't even need to get into the Knicks and how they've used the biggest market to their advantage. Regulating player tampering is impossible but something as basic s stopping the Clippers from following Kawhi around for a whole year will at least give the image that they're doing something. The league doesn't really care how effective it is, but they need to at least sell the idea that things are fair because the only cities left to expand to are smaller cities or overseas.
The only way to remove tampering is by removing the free agency. I think it should be replaced by a bidding war instead. Anytime a big time expiring contract goes to the open market, his service will be auctioned by the league to the team owners. Winning bidding team will have the rights to sign that certain player. And if that player refuses to sign, he should get penalized.
A very effective way to stop super team from forming in the first place is to remove the 35% or 30% max contract, and allow players to sign a contract as big as the total team salary cap. Players like Giannis or Lebron are worth more than 35% of a team's salary. If they are signed with a 50% or 60% contract, there won't be 3 of them in the same team.
Yes however if thats the case the market value of players would change extremely, many players will demand more salaries, and i really doubt anyone would take a 60% max contract and i doubt any team would take the risk of giving someone that much money because theyll basically end up playing with a bunch of nobodies but the star all alone
That Minnesota wolves scandal was crazy. Stripped of picks for five years. But only if you can catch them and prove it, which nowadays feels too difficult.
The media plays a big role. They will come up with all kinds of reports all year long, as early as October, about how a player won’t be resigning with whatever team, they’re going elsewhere in free agency.. the player himself keeps hearing this, the camp around him gets in on it.. and before you know it, your once in a lifetime generational talent is decided on leaving, in some cases they’ve even decided long before the regular season has had a chance to wrap up
Jason That’s definitely not how it works. And to assume this is true takes away agency from the players. Somehow they’re brainwashed by the media to leave their team? C’mon
might be wrong here but i don't think the nba has a legal tampering period. they should make that a relatively large window before players are allowed to sign
One of the dumbest and clear moves of tampering was when the Cleveland Cavaliers "released" Carlos Boozer. It was so blatantly obvious that when the Cavs said that he was supposed to re-sign for an even bigger agreement, he couldn't without getting the franchise in trouble. What's worse is that it was only Lebron's second year in the league and by the time the Cavs went up against the Spurs, Boozer's play would have made that Finals competitive.
Tbh the biggest issue is that teams dont all have the same interests. There are teams that constantly contend and are pursuing championships, then there are teams that are here for the bag and if they are good one year well that just means they make more money. Players know this so no wonder they collude in private.
Just institute the all-star rule. If you have two or more players, who have been all-stars in the previous two years, you can't sign a player from another team who has been an all-star in the previous two years. Simple. Plus you can resign as many all-stars as you want that you have developed.
Why would the NBAPA agree to this? Also the all star game is not a good indicator of how good a player is. Kyle kover made the team before Mike Conley. This would also mean a team like the Lakers, Heat or nets could sign a player like de Aaron fox because his team hasn't been good enough to qualify him for the all-star game.
Tampering isn’t such a big deal, imagine working in an office and getting fined if you hang out with your co-workers outside work Of course they hang out they basically live together at most times
In no sport does all teams have an equal chance of winning a championship. Even in the NFL which is considered the most parity league half the league really has no shot at going to the super bowl.
Not being able to negotiate contracts while under a contract seem like a fucked up rule. Of Course you should be able to speak to whoever the fuck you want.
Free agency starts. Literally 1-3 mins later players have signed with different teams. That isn't possible unless negotiations were going on before free agency started. To all the bronsexuals out there, your boi tampered to win all 3 of his rings and did it again in an attempt to win another in LA. No player who does this should be considered one of the "all time greats."
As an option, the league might enforce star UFA to go through 2-3 interviews with teams (a minimum) and only sign with the team if they had the meeting before. And league shall definitely kill the restricted free agency institute: its useless, player might get the $ and force the trade next year - a great foundation for tampering.
The only thing I could see working is a free agency "lottery." Not based on record, so as to deter tanking, and if you have a top 10 free agent pick the year before, you couldn't have one the following year, etc. The players would never accept it, but it's perhaps the best way to ensure parity in the process.
They can't stop it, players will collude no matter what especially now that the commissioner gives the players more power. Only way is to limit it. Say 2 days before FA, organizations can tamper the players.
@@russwalker4017 Honestly, there is a potential rule change to limit or fix the rule for the players' side as well: "If there is proof that a team or player engaged in collusion to lure another team's player to their team while the player is under contract to another team, the team the outgoing player played for can demand compensation for that player from the incoming team." Inevitably, since every team does it, it'll become a 30-way trade every year of "Oh, you want this guy? Then I want this guy who we signed". "Then we want this guy who we signed", etc. etc. However, the potential for a Scott Stevens/Brendan Shanahan-type move by a team could nip player collusion in the bud (if, for example, the Warriors tried colluding to get Giannis to jump to them- all it would take is for Milwaukee to say "Oh, you tried colluding to get Giannis on the Warriors? Great. We can demand compensation from you now- and we demand Stephen Curry in exchange!", and the superteam collusion would be DOA.
@@whackedoutwrestlingpodcast1404 That sounds complicated. Maybe restricting of cap space by a certain percentage in the next few years for the team that tried to tamper would be more simple.
@@russwalker4017 It sounds complicated, but the NBA actually used that exact method of free agency before in the 1970s (where if a player signed with another team, the outgoing team got compensation from the new team.) It's also related to the sign-and-trade concept that we already accept from NBA free agency.
I don't see anything wrong with friends wanting to play a game together. They already get told what to wear and what not to wear, and they get fined for talking about the referees.
the idea that players can't make plans with each other or simply with each other's input, at least until a certain point in time, seems absurd to me. there's no moral ground on which this should be prevented as long as no one's throwing games for the team one currently has a proper contract with (and even then i feel that only applies to, say, the team that initially drafts you and a team you yourself choose to sign with... if you get involuntarily traded to a team they can't necessarily expect your best work although it's to your own benefit to do so....)
tampering resmebles free markets while sticking to this set of rules seem like communism... in america. why do you treat artisans like this? nothing is enticing them into taking control over their own unique careers. ridiculous!
Sports artisanship is based on the fact that an artisan in sports cannot perform their craft unless it is against another team of artisans. In order to be more of a free market, every team should have a chance at the top craftsmen in the sport, and each one having a chance to perform at the same level to get money and teamwork. If every player in the league is so desperate to play together that it goes from the Heat's "all three of us could get max deals, but only two of us could play together. We all want to play together, so we'll go at a discount" in 2010 down to the deep discount of "DeMarcus Cousins was a max deal candidate, but he took a mid-level deal with the Warriors to join that superteam" and go to a dramatically lowered amount of money for their craft in exchange for playing on a superteam...we're likely within five years from "A All-Star level player, who could make a max salary and start somewhere else chooses to take league minimum to come off the bench for a superteam". Once that happens, the NBA as a whole effectively becomes the Harlem Globetrotters- just a bunch of talented players playing a team of scrubs where you kind of know the Globetrotters will win.
All the more reason why anyone who isn't a Warriors was ecstatic when this bum Green and the team lost the Finals last year Also seeing him get exposed for the garbage player he is with the Splash Bros out on injury, roleplayers need to learn their place on the pecking order
Allow "tampering" but don't announce it public. My thing is.. Players shouldn't have too much agency to force trades. - who ever ask/initiate trade should get "taxed" may it be a player or team - player and franchise star contract should be different. - player contract is just the regular contract we have now - franchise star contract is added on top of the player contract. - franchise star contract is not transferable if a player is traded - if "franchise star" is traded then he leaves the contract behind.
In europe, we have bayern munich that basically owns the bundesliga, where they can purchase any players that they think could harm their dominance, even tho theyll just end up benching them like Hummels or gotze, or psg who swept the other 19 team day in and day out, americans are not ready for this type of model and i could bet my house rn that clippers are going to be the most dominant team as long as steve Ballmer is the owner, hes the 19th richest person in the world and no other owner has even came close to having half of steves net worth, and looking at how passionate he is in basketball, are you ready with clippers owning the nba? I dont think so
@@baz1184 How is it unfair? What was stopping Andre Drummond from calling Kyrie Irving and Paul George about joining the Pistons? If the Kings had a functional front office why wouldn't Demarcus Cousins talk to other free agents about joining? Honestly i think players talking makes things as fair as not, or arguably MORE fair for small markets with a good culture. Its only unfair for owners who think players should just play to the end of their contract and make decisions during the FA window. I fully agree that front offices tampering with signed players being illegal, but players tampering with other players shouldn't be viewed as a bad thing whatsoever.
misternogood Is it fair that these super teams are only being constructed in major markets? What is the point of being a team like New Orleans? You draft Zion and build your entire franchise around him only for him to get poached away after 5-7 years as he enters his prime. Teams like the Knicks and Lakers have no game plan to develop players they just wait and hope the next big star will leave for their team. That has literally been the Knicks plan for around 20 years is just try and add the next star. Show me a hand full of examples of guys moving down a market to make a super team. Lebron back to the Cavs is the only one and that was out of guilt. Let’s just play the NBA like an AAU tournament where guys pick their teams and all of them are located in LA or New York. Tampering is bad for the sport and tilts odds of winning to about 3-4 teams.
They should be fining the Knicks for not having the capacity to tamper.
The look on Knicks fans faces at the lottery was priceless.
I think they are, but just so terrible at it
I really love how DeAndre keeps getting lumped into this big three with KD and Kyrie
It's like Draymond with Stef and Klay, except Deandre isn't going to win any rings with the nets.
Ye, it's so funny. They only signed him because he's friends with KD and Kyrie, he's arguably not even the best center on the roster.
@@emmachap1234 shit I just checked the roster and J Allen is putting up better numbers. That is hilarious.
Shahbaz Hussain and to think one of the reasons Kenny Atkinson got fired was because he played Allen more than DeAndre Jordan
@@baz1184 Draymond at his peak was DPOY, a great playmaker, a decent shooter, and couple play centre and open up the floor for them. DeAndre at his peak wasn't as productive, let alone now when he's not even the best centre on his roster
Art style is fabulous. Can't imagine how long that all took. Keep it up!
Wow the amount of work put in by this team is amazing. Keep it up!!!
This sounds like the war on drugs. A useless cycle of ratcheting up “forced compliance.” Fundamentally these players and teams are going to be scheming. They are only going to fully entrench this methodology
Yes they need to make both legal
The work behind this video is immense !
Love the new style 👌
Love the animation style 🔥
The start of the story about Draymond is actually incorrect. He was talking to KD long before they lost to the CAVS. Listen to All The Smoke podcast to hear him describe it.
PrisonMike people are always gonna slander green it’s just how it works now unfortunately
That's even softer of him in that case. Absolutely worthless championships.
@@ou8428 worthless because your favorite team didn't win them lol
@@roryschmidt5776 Warriors had the original Mickey Mouse rings 😂
@Michael Bailey ah yes, because drafting 3/4 of your best players is the weakest, softest way to build a team. Compared to the Lakers, clippers rn with 0/2, nets with 0/3,
Production quality is superb. Great job!
It's a tough question with an even tougher answer for sure. It's so hard to really want a league where all 30 teams have some semblance of equality in terms of competing, but not having quite either of any world to enforce it.
Oh, and does anyone know what the music is at the last minute of the vid? Dope beats.
1:27 "enduce" is not a word... i was relieved when i looked back and saw that this wasn't the NBA's screwup. but also kind of surprised given the production quality of this video.
Ha, yeah, pretty sure they meant "induce." Pretty embarrassig.
9:05 tampering , you can’t stop him you can only hope to contain him
goddamn dude you seriously hit the nail on the head in every single video ive watched of yours! you do extremely good work explaining things and the research alone i applaud you for. keep these videos coming please!
I love the animations in this video
To me, the only reasons tampering could be bad are:
1. Small market teams suffer from it much more as they don't have the allure of a larger, richer, more glitzy team
2. The league could become very boring once a small few certain superteam become consistently dominant
You say this as if the Lakers and Celtics don't already have half the championships
@@mitchells7634 Can't deny it.
Personally I think that small markets can overcome the glamour gap by hiring a good front office and coaching staff. Compare the Heat, Mavs, Spurs, Bucks, Jazz, Thunder, and Raptors to Bulls, Knicks, and Nets (3 out of 5 biggest NBA markets). Sure the Nets are maybe on the rise and the Thunder's future is a mystery but the point is that despite all the tampering players flock to good teams not good markets 9/10 times.
@@harmonicarchipelgo9351 Most of the big-name players on those small market teams were either drafted or traded, and did not sign there in free agency, as is the case with most tampering cases.
Also, the Raptors are absolutely not a small market team. We (I'm from the 905) had one of the highest attendances in the league this year, and the fanbase extends to most places in Canada
@@davispo7550 I included the Raptors because they don't have the prestige of the big market teams in the US and are thus perceived as such by the media and presumably the players. The phrase "big market" is pretty ambiguous. The point is that the Raptors did well because of their player development, drafting, etc. not because Toronto is a premium destination city.
And what you said is exactly my point. Even if big markets have an advantage in recruitment, small markets have the tools to compete because of the draft, salary cap, and trading. Many players go to small markets via draft or trade but then renew their contract if the team is good, often skipping their free agency voluntarily. Some small market teams, like the Heat, are good at recruiting and often get top free agents (the Miami beaches don't hurt) in addition to those basic tools. Point being, player agency hurts badly run big market teams like the Knicks more than well run small market teams.
brilliant brilliant video! More of this please
yet another amazing content
There is no way Earl Foreman is of the same species of human as the rest of us
I really enjoyed this comic like video keep em coming I just subscribed!
I swear, you should have WAY more subscibers. Great channel, keep it up.
This is a really really good, well made video
We need more RingerPhD.
players can recruit each other that's not tampering its when ownership and management gets involved then its tampering
If your owner gives you a big contact and tells you to go recruit other players then what's the difference?
Its not tampering, its collusion. "Fuck dat team, we goin here no matter what" thats collusion
waterisformless what the other guy said is collusion but direct contact between ownership/management with that player but when you do it indirectly through an agent or player muddys of the water for the NBA can’t come down on a team
@@justtimes9257 So you, AIDaGodd and waterisformless are all experts on NBA rules and language and i am sure all 3 of you are lawyers too right?
Optimus Prime I don’t know if the other two are lawyers but But I am not a lawyer all I do is pull out the NBA rule book & read it
I need a video explaining why ‘tampering’ is bad before I care about a video explaining how to stop it.
It seems everyone just accepts it because it’s a rule. The only rationale I can see is to make it easier for employers to control their employees. If that’s the only basis then the rule is immoral, and it is not immoral to break and immoral rule.
Also, since all teams break the rule, seems to me they want the rule there so that they can break it and take a minor fine, but punish and smear players when they break it. Everyone hates KD for doing what he wants, but nobody abuses Bob Myers for doing a deal that involved tampering. Hypocrisy and power imbalance.
I am open to being ignorant on other more benevolent rationales.
Nah you're right, tampering is dumb
You are right. I'd rather the players, who are what the league is all about, making decisions and building teams instead of being forced to play with teams they don't want to, getting moved around like pawns and being rewarded for their loyalty by getting the boot as soon as the team has something to gain by trading them. It's ok for a team to shove you away when you're not contributing in a way they imagined, but if a player is displeased with how a team works you can't do anything about it, just rot there until your contract expires. Fuck that
It's because sports leagues - unlike the real world - try and artificially maintain balance across all franchises, instead of allowing the market to dictate who goes where. Tampering goes against that balance because not all teams can offer the same things to all players and inevitably the large markets will dominate all the talent because they can tamper better than anyone else by offering more than anyone else. While that may be fair and good to us as individuals, it isn't good for the overall health of the league that needs to pitch all of its franchises have something to play for. Fewer franchises means less money for everyone including players and owners so it's actually short-sighted to allow tampering and benevolence has nothing to do with it really.
@@Apollovn The salary cap is about as much as the league can do for small market teams. Players aren't going to sign in a small market (unless they drafted talent and are the contending favorites) even with anti tampering rules in place. Can't remember the last time a player wanted to sign with the Wolves, Raptors, Grizzlies, etc. Hell, the only reason the Raptors were on the map was because Kawhi got forced there, and left immediately. Players will go to contenders or big markets. So unless a small market is drafting talent, the contenders will always be the big free agent destinations.
@@awayinmymind3970 I agree with you to a point, but Miami isn't a big market and neither is Dallas or San Antonio. Technically Toronto is the 4th biggest market in North America so its more complicated than that. We don't even need to get into the Knicks and how they've used the biggest market to their advantage. Regulating player tampering is impossible but something as basic s stopping the Clippers from following Kawhi around for a whole year will at least give the image that they're doing something. The league doesn't really care how effective it is, but they need to at least sell the idea that things are fair because the only cities left to expand to are smaller cities or overseas.
I just looked up the 4 succeeders..Albert spalding, Deacon white, Ross Barnes and and Cal Mcvey…this was hard stuff to find
Such a good video
Amazing content!
This is really well done!! Good job guys!!!
The only way to remove tampering is by removing the free agency. I think it should be replaced by a bidding war instead. Anytime a big time expiring contract goes to the open market, his service will be auctioned by the league to the team owners. Winning bidding team will have the rights to sign that certain player. And if that player refuses to sign, he should get penalized.
Great video
A very effective way to stop super team from forming in the first place is to remove the 35% or 30% max contract, and allow players to sign a contract as big as the total team salary cap. Players like Giannis or Lebron are worth more than 35% of a team's salary. If they are signed with a 50% or 60% contract, there won't be 3 of them in the same team.
Yes however if thats the case the market value of players would change extremely, many players will demand more salaries, and i really doubt anyone would take a 60% max contract and i doubt any team would take the risk of giving someone that much money because theyll basically end up playing with a bunch of nobodies but the star all alone
this video is very good
Tampering comes from the time of the reserve clause and amateurism. It's Bullshit that the NBA should get rid of in their labor contracts.
Choosing to play with Kyrie is a deathwish unless you’re Lebron. Good luck, KD.
Tampering should be completely allowed
You can stop tampering you would just have to strictly enforce the rules, like David Stern, the problem is Adam Silver is to nice.
That Minnesota wolves scandal was crazy. Stripped of picks for five years. But only if you can catch them and prove it, which nowadays feels too difficult.
It isn't that simple when it's the players tampering instead of the GMs. The player dynamics have changed.
Yea silver is a push over
The media plays a big role. They will come up with all kinds of reports all year long, as early as October, about how a player won’t be resigning with whatever team, they’re going elsewhere in free agency.. the player himself keeps hearing this, the camp around him gets in on it.. and before you know it, your once in a lifetime generational talent is decided on leaving, in some cases they’ve even decided long before the regular season has had a chance to wrap up
Jason That’s definitely not how it works. And to assume this is true takes away agency from the players. Somehow they’re brainwashed by the media to leave their team? C’mon
MiDAS I never said it was the only reason why players leave, obviously there’s other factors going on
That's fucking dumb. You think LeBron James and Kevin Durant are letting the media decide what they do?
Jason shoot they way the media was pushing for ad to find a way on the lakers. It not far from the truth
Elan Zankman it’s believable. A lot of these athletes are weak minded and insecure, that the media and social media can sway their judgment
anyone know the song at 9:13?
DeCypher_Zero I think it might be an instrumental version of Better by Manny (ft. BLND)
It can't be stopped.
"Honourable" managers franchises don't win ask Charlotte.
Damn as a hornets fan I’m kinda mad Mitch is so honorable
might be wrong here but i don't think the nba has a legal tampering period. they should make that a relatively large window before players are allowed to sign
As though this hadn't happened ever since the late 90's?
Who's the guy on the left in 8:15?
That nba dude... who went crazy and homeless before rehabilitation. You remember hearing about him?
One of the dumbest and clear moves of tampering was when the Cleveland Cavaliers "released" Carlos Boozer. It was so blatantly obvious that when the Cavs said that he was supposed to re-sign for an even bigger agreement, he couldn't without getting the franchise in trouble. What's worse is that it was only Lebron's second year in the league and by the time the Cavs went up against the Spurs, Boozer's play would have made that Finals competitive.
Tbh the biggest issue is that teams dont all have the same interests. There are teams that constantly contend and are pursuing championships, then there are teams that are here for the bag and if they are good one year well that just means they make more money. Players know this so no wonder they collude in private.
And then you have The Knicks..
"You get Terry Rozier" LOLOL
5:43 Zion actually has a double chin, LMAO
Basketball Bureau of Investigation chief silver has a nice *ring* to it.
You never described why it needs to be stopped or why players shouldn't be allowed to do it
Just institute the all-star rule. If you have two or more players, who have been all-stars in the previous two years, you can't sign a player from another team who has been an all-star in the previous two years. Simple. Plus you can resign as many all-stars as you want that you have developed.
Why would the NBAPA agree to this? Also the all star game is not a good indicator of how good a player is. Kyle kover made the team before Mike Conley. This would also mean a team like the Lakers, Heat or nets could sign a player like de Aaron fox because his team hasn't been good enough to qualify him for the all-star game.
How to stop players from using their freedom and plan for their future. If people think 'tampering' is a bad thing block me now.
1:53 Chicago white stockings lol... that's the most 1800s team of the 1800s
You don’t need to stop it, I don’t want a league with only 2 stars or less.
ENDUCE!!!!
Holy hell I forgot Mozgov got paid that much after barely playing in the finals
It’s simple, do random audits and give a franchise tag to teams suffering from tampering.
Random Audit of what? Are they going to get every nba players, coach and front office text and emails? Not that simple
Tampering is only a problem because rich people can’t buy who they want when they want.
Tampering makes you play for them
"culture of compliance"
don't even try to emulate the NCAA. Just don't
McLaren F1 team was fined 100 million in 2007 for stealing company secrets. 3:13
I’m confused, why is tampering bad? Why not just allow all communication? I feel like Bill Simmons asked for this to be made.
Tampering isn’t such a big deal, imagine working in an office and getting fined if you hang out with your co-workers outside work
Of course they hang out they basically live together at most times
In no sport does all teams have an equal chance of winning a championship. Even in the NFL which is considered the most parity league half the league really has no shot at going to the super bowl.
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Not being able to negotiate contracts while under a contract seem like a fucked up rule.
Of Course you should be able to speak to whoever the fuck you want.
Free agency starts. Literally 1-3 mins later players have signed with different teams. That isn't possible unless negotiations were going on before free agency started. To all the bronsexuals out there, your boi tampered to win all 3 of his rings and did it again in an attempt to win another in LA. No player who does this should be considered one of the "all time greats."
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And now the Bulls are being investigated for tampering because of their Lonzo Ball trade
As an option, the league might enforce star UFA to go through 2-3 interviews with teams (a minimum) and only sign with the team if they had the meeting before.
And league shall definitely kill the restricted free agency institute: its useless, player might get the $ and force the trade next year - a great foundation for tampering.
The only thing I could see working is a free agency "lottery." Not based on record, so as to deter tanking, and if you have a top 10 free agent pick the year before, you couldn't have one the following year, etc.
The players would never accept it, but it's perhaps the best way to ensure parity in the process.
You must be a Sacramento Kings fan.
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They can't stop it, players will collude no matter what especially now that the commissioner gives the players more power. Only way is to limit it. Say 2 days before FA, organizations can tamper the players.
There's already a rule saying they can't tamper, why would changing the date by two days do anything lol
@@MrCrushus The rule ain't being followed anyway
@@russwalker4017 Honestly, there is a potential rule change to limit or fix the rule for the players' side as well:
"If there is proof that a team or player engaged in collusion to lure another team's player to their team while the player is under contract to another team, the team the outgoing player played for can demand compensation for that player from the incoming team."
Inevitably, since every team does it, it'll become a 30-way trade every year of "Oh, you want this guy? Then I want this guy who we signed". "Then we want this guy who we signed", etc. etc. However, the potential for a Scott Stevens/Brendan Shanahan-type move by a team could nip player collusion in the bud (if, for example, the Warriors tried colluding to get Giannis to jump to them- all it would take is for Milwaukee to say "Oh, you tried colluding to get Giannis on the Warriors? Great. We can demand compensation from you now- and we demand Stephen Curry in exchange!", and the superteam collusion would be DOA.
@@whackedoutwrestlingpodcast1404 That sounds complicated. Maybe restricting of cap space by a certain percentage in the next few years for the team that tried to tamper would be more simple.
@@russwalker4017 It sounds complicated, but the NBA actually used that exact method of free agency before in the 1970s (where if a player signed with another team, the outgoing team got compensation from the new team.) It's also related to the sign-and-trade concept that we already accept from NBA free agency.
I don't see anything wrong with friends wanting to play a game together. They already get told what to wear and what not to wear, and they get fined for talking about the referees.
the idea that players can't make plans with each other or simply with each other's input, at least until a certain point in time, seems absurd to me. there's no moral ground on which this should be prevented as long as no one's throwing games for the team one currently has a proper contract with (and even then i feel that only applies to, say, the team that initially drafts you and a team you yourself choose to sign with... if you get involuntarily traded to a team they can't necessarily expect your best work although it's to your own benefit to do so....)
I don't really see a problem with the tampering? Who Cares!
Go Golden State Warriors.
So basically this isn't how to stop it just titled that way.
why even police tampering?
Tampering isn't a problem imo
Go Brooklyn Nets.
Thanks for telling us specifically and exactly how to stop tampering in the nba
Tampering was ok when LeBron did it in 2011.
tampering resmebles free markets while sticking to this set of rules seem like communism... in america. why do you treat artisans like this? nothing is enticing them into taking control over their own unique careers. ridiculous!
Sports artisanship is based on the fact that an artisan in sports cannot perform their craft unless it is against another team of artisans. In order to be more of a free market, every team should have a chance at the top craftsmen in the sport, and each one having a chance to perform at the same level to get money and teamwork.
If every player in the league is so desperate to play together that it goes from the Heat's "all three of us could get max deals, but only two of us could play together. We all want to play together, so we'll go at a discount" in 2010 down to the deep discount of "DeMarcus Cousins was a max deal candidate, but he took a mid-level deal with the Warriors to join that superteam" and go to a dramatically lowered amount of money for their craft in exchange for playing on a superteam...we're likely within five years from "A All-Star level player, who could make a max salary and start somewhere else chooses to take league minimum to come off the bench for a superteam".
Once that happens, the NBA as a whole effectively becomes the Harlem Globetrotters- just a bunch of talented players playing a team of scrubs where you kind of know the Globetrotters will win.
Magic winks, FINED. Lol Lakers are the only team that gets fined
Bcus they repeatedly try to sell the "Hollywood lifestyle" LALA land n allat shit. Its fuckin show and tell every offseasons
All the more reason why anyone who isn't a Warriors was ecstatic when this bum Green and the team lost the Finals last year
Also seeing him get exposed for the garbage player he is with the Splash Bros out on injury, roleplayers need to learn their place on the pecking order
Super teams should be banned too
Allow "tampering" but don't announce it public.
My thing is.. Players shouldn't have too much agency to force trades.
- who ever ask/initiate trade should get "taxed" may it be a player or team
- player and franchise star contract should be different.
- player contract is just the regular contract we have now
- franchise star contract is added on top of the player contract.
- franchise star contract is not transferable if a player is traded
- if "franchise star" is traded then he leaves the contract behind.
It’s actually all LeBrons fault
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This is the real reason OKC despises KD, we're not toxic, he lied.
Draymond Green is the most overrated player of the 2010’s.
These are grown men. They make their own decisions.
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It all comes back to the broken draft and salary system. The only fix is to go toward a European Football model
I don't know what NFL Europe's salary system was.
But I've heard in soccer they just buy and sell their employees like slaves. Sounds real cool, man.
In europe, we have bayern munich that basically owns the bundesliga, where they can purchase any players that they think could harm their dominance, even tho theyll just end up benching them like Hummels or gotze, or psg who swept the other 19 team day in and day out, americans are not ready for this type of model and i could bet my house rn that clippers are going to be the most dominant team as long as steve Ballmer is the owner, hes the 19th richest person in the world and no other owner has even came close to having half of steves net worth, and looking at how passionate he is in basketball, are you ready with clippers owning the nba? I dont think so
The vids kinda pointless...beware
You can stop tampering. Players are going to talk.
Dennis Rodman is more interesting than this
as a fan why do I care about tampering rules?
Maybe to keep free agency fair for all teams.
@@baz1184 How is it unfair? What was stopping Andre Drummond from calling Kyrie Irving and Paul George about joining the Pistons? If the Kings had a functional front office why wouldn't Demarcus Cousins talk to other free agents about joining?
Honestly i think players talking makes things as fair as not, or arguably MORE fair for small markets with a good culture.
Its only unfair for owners who think players should just play to the end of their contract and make decisions during the FA window. I fully agree that front offices tampering with signed players being illegal, but players tampering with other players shouldn't be viewed as a bad thing whatsoever.
@@misternogood I was just taking a guess I don't have a clue. I like that the players organise amongst themselves to take charge of their careers.
misternogood Is it fair that these super teams are only being constructed in major markets? What is the point of being a team like New Orleans? You draft Zion and build your entire franchise around him only for him to get poached away after 5-7 years as he enters his prime. Teams like the Knicks and Lakers have no game plan to develop players they just wait and hope the next big star will leave for their team. That has literally been the Knicks plan for around 20 years is just try and add the next star. Show me a hand full of examples of guys moving down a market to make a super team. Lebron back to the Cavs is the only one and that was out of guilt. Let’s just play the NBA like an AAU tournament where guys pick their teams and all of them are located in LA or New York. Tampering is bad for the sport and tilts odds of winning to about 3-4 teams.
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