I own the 411 it’s a bit slow and rough around the edges, but I absolutely love it and for Indian road it’s fast enough. I commute on it, tour with it and do trails. Done 47000 kms in 5 years. I did test ride the 450 loved the suspension, it’s way better than what we are getting at this in India right now.
I’m a new rider of two weeks and test ride one yesterday. Loved the engine noise, position and overall vibe of the bike. Not at all intimidating but enough gas to get off the lights if required. Will be perfect as commuter and my first bike. Picking one up in Feb/March 25
It's a low bike, and it weighs 196 kg with a center stand and crash bars from the factory. That's not too much. Yeah yeah i know i must be a shill, but i rode the Himi450 multiple times offroad and the weight wasn't an issue. For reference i owned: Vstrom650xt, Versys 650, DRZ400s, Ktm 790Adv R.
I was mile munching on this 450 one cilinder on the autobahn and mountain passes to Italy. Took a bigger windscreen and it was a real steady balanced bike.
I ordered this bike, tubeless Hanle Black november 2023 and took delivery aug this year, well worth the wait. Agree that it seems the wrong bike for your use but I have no regrets on my purchase. Sidestand lean apart it has exceded my expectations and this bike cost one third of my bmw R1200RS and so far, 800 miles, it has coped with Devon roads, 40mph dartmoor and now eqipped with pannier/saddlebag rails will be perfect next year for a few camping trips away .I could repeat any of my previous 4 trips,uk to Norway, arctic circle etc ( bmw's 2013 R1200R, 2015 RS and 2 on my current 2017 RS SE) on this Himalayan and enjoy it just as much. Not an off road rider and the other RE Guerrilla did not appeal to me. I like the look of this new model, a bit KLR, old school XT350/500 SP370 old bikes I did consider as a second bike but at this price it seemed a bargain for a new machine.
I also have a 2017 1200RS. I'm hoping to get the Black 450 that I ordered in July soon. I've taken my RS off the road for the winter (Canada's west coast), but I plan to ride the 450 year-round. I'm wondering if I will want to keep my RS or if the 450 will suit all my needs. I love riding the RS, but I can only ride one bike at a time, and the 450 will be better as a daily rider locally and for camping trips, so I'm not sure if the RS will have a function that's worth the expense.
@@RetiredAdventureRider I think you have also chosen the best colour, just missing some John Player Special labels! My RS has just had the 18k service, free of charge new shaft drive and rear bevel drive unit, and new tyres so I think this is my 'keeper' after my last 'keeper' (R1200ST) had the brake pump failure and it was sold. The 450 is great for me across Devon lanes and dartmoor and from the reports, including 'fuzzy biker' with 18k miles in 12 weeks! It seems well up to any touring tasks. I have relatives who left Essex for Winnepeg 50 years ago but they do that 'go south for winter' to cope with your winters.
I appreciate RE's styling being more retro, and I also appreciate how they're priced. They're by no means class leading, but the price point definitely makes it easier for new riders to get into the sport, which is good for everyone. As a 22 year old who pays his own way, this category of riding is pretty pricey. It's not the only reason but I suspect it's a big part of the reason why I'm usually the youngest person on local group rides by 25-30 years. Nothing wrong with that of course, but I just like seeing more riders my age participating in this category of bike. These bikes encourage you to get out and see the world, and my age is when we typically have the most time and the least amount of responsibilities to prevent us from doing so.
I didn't have any trouble averaging 33kpl- 94mpg (imperial) on a 2400k trip loaded with complete camping load out. What I did have to get used to was the screwy fuel gauge, thinking I was out of fuel when I still had 4L or almost a gallon left in the tank. I now know how to read the gauge. (big brother) Even my mum didn't nag that much. I will say I was taking it easy and enjoying the trip, few twisty's or long climbs, a tad bit of fire/logging road & a few Ks of nasty wet muddy unmaintained rd with many small tree branches to get over in the dark. Just fitting some decent 40/60 tyres now. I intend to do as much dirt road as I can while travelling. I went with MOTOZ RalZ 130/80-17 & front 90/90-21, but I know some have problems with sticky mud jamming in the guards. Might have to add a flap to the top of the rear guard and lift the front, as some have. But remember it's not an Enduro or a Dual Sport. Cheers from Downunder 👍
I enjoyed mine over the 1300 miles I owned alongside a GS. The MPG never went below 70mpg even riding it hard. A great bike with quality suspension you can really chuck it about on the road, it's a bit on the heavy side but OK, it does lean a lot on the side stand. Keep up the good work MCN.
200 kilo's? (440 lbs) That's as much as my KLR-650 Nevertheless....this is a giant step up in refinement from the old one. I would have never looked at an 'old' Himilaya before, but if I was smaller, and in the market, I would consider this. (I'm six four 230) great video guys
@@TommyAngelo1337 maybe, but I can short shift around on that 650cc torque...and it fits me better because its tall. Had it 6.5 years and nothing has broke (a 2018)
I been using this bike and had put on 5000 km on it and my point is for touring and mild off-roading its been a great bike for the price it offers. On the reliability part , i have not encountered anything that he is pointing out in this video. Im doing the proper services on the regular interval of time and it is very reliable. It is a very good beginner bike i would say. Not perfect but valuable.
Brilliant review. Genuinely helped me, I was teetering on the edge of buying one, but reliability is everything when you’re in a remote off road location and haven’t seen anyone for hours. I have a T7 at the moment it’s a very simple and reliable machine, I had a niggling worry about the move to ride by wire, so with the issues you saw and the gearbox woes, whilst the Himalayan rides REALLY well, I will be sticking with my T7 till the “T4” appears. Genuine thanks for such an honest and genuine review.
Useful video on this bike had an eye on it since its launch but waiting for some real world use reviews. Audio from the presenter in mcn jacket is ropey
Right! Is he muttering into a mic with a sock on it so that this US listener has no idea what he is saying or perhaps he just wants to generate controversy and therefore engagement in the comments. Thanks for the video and for allowing me to opine.
ive had a few enfields in India from very old ones and my latest is a 2012 still in storage in India. Took one of these for a spin and was rather underwhelmed in reviews it sounded great but was really quite bland somehow.I think many will/have bought them from watching vids but I suspect there will be quite a lot of year old low mileage bikes available very soon.Go for a test ride before buying would be my recommendation. Great video lads.thanks
I'm juuuuust shy of 5'8" with a 31" inseam and about 150lbs without gear/luggage. I test road a 450 the other week and agree it's pretty awesome for it's size. Especially with low seat on low setting. All but the shortest will be able to have both feet down. It's not perfect but it's amazing for the money. I'm planning on picking up the tubeless version early 2025 Edit - if you look at the angle of the tank and front fender...it's the shape of the Himalayans/mountains.
I mean yeah, it weighs about as much as a t7 with significantly less motor. But it's also half the price. If Royal Enfield takes the weight complaints seriously, the obvious next step for them twould be up the motor size to a 700 and raise the price into the t7 bracket. A major part of the appeal of this bike is that it's cheap enough to thrash and break without too much worry. I want to worry more about breaking myself than worrying about breaking an expensive motorcycle.
It’s an interesting one isn’t it Adam earlier in the year I bought a Low miles T7 for 7k an sold it after some green laning for £6,250 to a dealer for a nx500 which was £6,250 on a 4 n a bit year old T7 really good residuals I’ve owned a 411 in the past, I think the fuel economy on the T7 an the grunt off road with the torque of a twin n leave the crash bars off (panels were cheap) an it’s a winner was suprisingly manageable I really didn’t get on with the T7 on the road that’s a Personal thing though. Was an epic bike on the easy green lanes in the peaks.
I'm sure they can make the bike lighter using better materials but that'll raise the price. So its always a trade-off between price and better materials.
@@Whatreally123 Or worse material. Had they used more cheap plastic bits rather than steel that would save a bit of weight. Careful what you ask for! I think this guy was reviewing it from a "money is no object" mindset. If that's your mindset then yeah, this prob isn't the bike for you. But those folks are prob not watching this review anyway.
Absolutely love mine, use it pottering about seeing the country side and doing some green lanes. I have found the weight has restricted me on some of the tougher green lanes but to be honest when you really have to focus to get up a hill its not that enjoyable. Ive done 4K on mine mostly off road and wouldn't swap for anything else.
Thanks for mentioning the reliability issues. Most reviewers on UA-cam just fail to mention these, expect yammie noob. I own an RE and I've had extensive experience with 5 different RE bikes. Every single one of them have jad fairly major issues. I really don't know how more people don't mention these issues.
They don't mention them because they haven't had them, the issues seem to be less common than you think, just because someone has a problem doesn't make it a problem on every bike, this is the SAME for every manufacturer, I've seen more problems with KTM's and BMW's, and they are expensive to buy and fix, the RE is cheap to repair. There's a really good review from an Aussie guy, 10,000 k's of absolute abuse and not one problem. There are quite a few longer term reviews of this bike , not from journalists but enthusiasts, riding 10's of thousands of miles and I haven't read about the issues you speak of at all, in fact, they rave about it's reliability....
@@MickH60 i think it varies from country to country as the quality of the servicing will vary. But personally i don't think I'll be buying RE bikes as my personal experience has been absolutely terrible. Even in this video they mentioned that 2/2 bikes that they tested had the issue. It was only after the servicing which replaced an entire part that fixed it. I don't think in many countries the service techs will know to replace that particular part with perhaps a third party part? I dunno.
if you want to race through the bush then this is not the bike, if you want to scream down the highway then this is not the bike. But if you want to go and see the country side where you are riding and enjoying the views for which I think this bike is perfect for then it's a bargain. All bikes are a compromise somewhere, you just have to be honest with yourself for what you are going to do with it. Like you said it will go anywhere either in reason. If you are rich then buy one of each.
Going back to the very early 1980's I had a Suzuki TS100 which had all lights removed, great fun on the Dave Taylor, test/trailer track in Kent. Did I need find out my limits YES! did I need to about learn about addition YES, 30 years later I took a CCM 450 out and found far better than me along a green lane!!
This bike does not have any clutchless gear shift assist, up or down the gearbox, so why not use the clutch? Could there be self-inflicted selector damage? Mine is still in the running in, second stage, up to 6000rpm to 1200 miles but I still have 95mpg showing trip 2 since zero miles and even reset trip 1after 500 miles the mpg is still above 93, although I am only using E95 shell superV or Esso super-unleaded. I would expect 80mpg touring mileage and this seems acheivable as my various R1200 bmw's over the last 20 years always exceded 55mpg and nearer 70mpg in Norway with their 80kph/50mph lower speed limits
well i am really confused by Joseph's take on the Himalayan. Either its almost the opposite of what i thought so far from the bike (including a short test ride and previous ownership of 411) or after many many miles the bike reveals its true face. However i can almost tell that Michael Guy differentiates at some points his personal opinion about it. I tend to agree with him more...
Great video and content as always lads! Quick question, in the slightly trickier / more technical off-road, how much of a gap is there in terms of manageability “for a lesser rider” between the Himay 452 and something like a CRF 300 Rall? Is it close, or is the Himay 452 night and day harder to handle? Let me explain a little more… I am of average skill off road, and I am looking for a new bike to do some longer distance adventure routes - like the ACT Portugal or the ACT Pyrenees. Obviously, lots of road (coming from UK) and mainly simpler off road, but as always (in a long trip) there will be challenging sections where I shall be remote and also solo. So whilst I “want” a bike that is decent on road, I actually “need” a bike I can manage on the worst of the off-road. I need to minimise the chances of being stranded in the middle of nowhere when solo. So, is the Himay 452 night and day more difficult to manage on more tech trails than something like a CRF 300 Rally? Or is there not that much in it (maybe 10%)? I like the idea of the better road manners of the Himay 452, but not if that comes with a significant hike in the risk of being struggling on the more tricky bits. Any insights really appreciated.
If you’ve visited any Royal Enfield service center in India, you’ve likely noticed a flood of Himalayan 450s lined up for repairs. The queues are extensive, reflecting the technical issues that plague many Royal Enfield bikes. Despite these challenges, the brand persists due to its monopoly in the segment. While the Himalayan 450 is undoubtedly impressive in terms of rideability, its reliability and service experience leave much to be desired at this stage. I would advise against buying the Himalayan 450 immediately. Instead, it might be wiser to wait a year or two until the initial issues are resolved and the model proves its reliability in later iterations.
Brilliant review it’s refreshing to see a magazine doing propper journalism the issues are highly worrying as an ex 411 owner. All the reasons mentioned are why we bought a Honda Nx500 this time round and im about to buy a 2nd one to double up when I sell the 1150gsa so dad and I have a a Honda each. When things are pointed out hopefully it improves the next version. I had a 411 and ended up rejecting it at 500 miles had serious safety issues they couldn’t get the parts to fix it had brake light failures and chassis problems as well as other issues. When they did fit new parts they failed. I’ve got friends who’s had transmissions exit the engine casings at under 500 miles. When I got the refund on the Himalayan I got a 300 rally got the green laning out of my system and a t7 also made way for a Honda NX500 which is unbelievably light to move around super smooth fun brilliant handling and ignored by a lot of the press with incredible fuel economy and reliability an I got ours inc a service plan an extras for the same price as the Himalayan 450. I think that Enfield really need to focus on reliability, parts availability and looking after the regular customer I also think that 500cc singles should be light as someone who rides a 252lbs 1927 Norton light weight is your friend. In 40 motorcycles the only ones I’ve ever had to reject for refunds were the Himalayan and 2x 390 ktm 390 adventures I think My ideal setup is an nx500 for road riding 300 rally for green laning or tet. Those two I’ve owned really stood out didn’t get on with the T7 at all.
@@MickH60 hi Mick for context I’ll go into my bike history as to why I think I can comment that the issues are a concern for anyone else that might read your reply, I’m a bit bemused by your comment I can only assume you’ve not read my comment fully or not watched the Mcn video to conclusion. I’m also bored so always up for talking bikes after all that is the point of the comment section. With regard to electrical issues and gearbox problems on the 450. A bit about myself for context I’ve had 40 bikes from 1927 to modern day all ridden regular ex iom tt bikes etc an I’m an experienced rider, both on road and track. I’ve worked on classic GP bikes for friends who race the Isle of Man and engines I’ve put together have won races and restore and work on vintage motorcycles. All the other modern day machines I had 0 issues with 20 Japanese bikes an BMW’s on average 30k+ a year miles commuting in the past on all manner of bikes mainly classics I used to do 2k miles a week on a rd250lc with no problems, which i had built. daily rode for 4 years a 1967 Norton 650ss no issues, through winter as well. I’ve owned ridden and restored putting right issues by others the following bikes 4x rd250/350lc, rzv500r v4 2 stroke, 1927 Norton 16H, gsx750et x2, gt 750 kettle, rd250c, 1967 Norton 650SS, 1968 Norton commando, 1944 Norton 16h WD, tz350 Harris, 1150gsa, Modern bikes I’ve owned and bought with my own money as highlights include, fireblades, gsxrs, ex Yamaha factory bikes, ex iom tt triumphs, multiple Triumphs road and race bikes, 1200gsa, 2014, 2018 gs Rallye 2018, vstrom 650xt, 1000xt, T7, f800gs, Honda CRF 300 rally, 390ktm x2, Honda NX500 amongst others. The only modern bikes I’ve ever had issues with with have been Indian built and 1 gsa where a dealer destroyed the engine after leaving a gasket off which the engine was swiftly replaced on, so hopefully they can get the levels of quality control up to the level of the Japanese so everyone can experience the bikes at the best. The Japanese motorcycles I’ve owned never had an ounce of issues either the classics which we’re regularly used year round, one of my previous bikes a GSX750ET that Id restored was just on the front of classic motorcycle mechanics that took Steve the owner all over the Swiss alps in total reliability. As someone who spent my hard earned money on a 411 tons of problems with it, and I know of many other who have had issues. I found the ownership experience wasn’t good having long stroke singles from the 1920s and 40s I didn’t expect as many issues as I got with the Himalayan at the time I was using my Norton 650SS from 1967 without an ounce of issue while the Enfield was full of problems. an Seeing the gearbox is still having issues with false neutrals now between 5 and 6 is yep a major problem in my book on a newly designed bike sid admitted in an interview that the 411 had issues an its a shame that they haven’t fully rectified it in the 450, I’ve heard of others who’ve experienced that. watch the review fully and electrical faults yet again on an Enfield, anyone who spent hard earned money on a euro 5 will be Enfield will be fully aware of the problems that plagued them an new relays didn’t always fix it, I never understand why people defend bike companies unless they have a vested interest when people have had major issues, look at the side stand lash up design wise on the 450 it feels heavier of the stand than any of my GSA’s even Nathan pointed that out on his channel. We are all motorcyclists and talking about the issues in the hopes the feedback gets back to the manufacturer is important I actually had quite a long conversation with one of the designers from Enfield last year at the show about the issues I had with mine and they were grateful of the information. Feedback on products is important and most important is when things have had issues glowing reviews from youtubers that ignore the issues does go on and it’s refreshing to see MCN pointing some problems out. all the 411s had similar issues, a simple thing to design but they haven’t got it right over the life of the entire product so it’s refreshing to see a magazine pointing it out. A friend of mines gearbox on there 411 launched itself out of the engine casing at under 500 miles another’s top end let go at 200 miles due to in adequate bearings on the cams again at under 500 miles an I know of others that have all failed with the same issue at under 30k miles, Another’s chassis was out of plonk from the factory like mine on a 2023 brand new bike On mine my chassis was bent from the factory causing handling issues, issues with the yokes, seized swing arm, constant stalling, relay issues, then the brake lights failed, they repaired them then 30 mins later the brake lights failed again leading to a car nearly rear ending me if I hadn’t spotted it not slowing off and getting out of the way. They then couldn’t get any parts to fix it this was around the time moto gb lost distribution. Dealer admitted it shouldn’t have happened an took it back. I’ve got friends that have been waiting for parts under warranty for 12 months on Enfields. I’ve also got friends who have done 40k travelling round the world on one. For the flip side the fact remains though mine was a nightmare. We then had it again with 2x Ktm 390 adventures, Both bikes had corrosion issues from new both had tft failures one had constant fly by wire issues cut out on a bypass and wouldn’t restart, one had wheels that wouldn’t hold air, both were rejected at 147 and 269 miles I’ve got friends who are on there 4th+ tft Ktm don’t cover that under warranty. For some of us motorcycles are more than pleasure items an we still use them as daily transportation a don’t own or use a car. So reliability matters for me For me a quote by Sochiro Honda springs to mind “An engineer who contributes to the world by creating good products is a person of integrity”. Soichiro Honda For those of us that have to buy our motorcycles it is a concern to see the same bout of issues that reared the head on the 411 still not addressed and into a product line. Although they are 6k we as customers should not be beta testers for the brand. Everyone’s experience with every brand will be different but it’s important all voices are heard logically and without personal attacks.
@herschat MCN asked if anyone had issues with the Himalayan and what we thought as someone who spent my hard earned wages on one and had major issues I was able to detail the problems. At no point did I deviate from the issues with the bike and the fact of what happened including a dealer who supplied it taking it back and agreeing with me that the bike had major issues. The personal attack from the other guy though a yourself was uncalled for.
People in India: wahnnnn! This bike needs Tc, also has no cruise control, needs cornering abs, not good on offroad, not good on highway....... Meanwhile everybody around the world: enjoying the bike on and offroad
I actually think it looks really smart. The bark busters, crash protection and knobbly tyres make it look kind of mean. Its 100% better looking than its predecessor, which, in my opinion was fairly hideous and the headlight position was all wrong. The colour scheme is a direct rip off of the BMW scrambler anniversary but i loved it on that so i like it on this. At £6k this is an absolute bargain. Because of this price however, the quality of materials will be lower and therefore heavier which wasn't mentioned in the video. Would i buy one, probably no unless i wanted a cheap commuter i wasn't precious about. Based purely on horsepower, weight and size (a bit small for me). I've bought a 2024 KTM 1290SAS this year, and while incomparable in most ways, the Himi is still an adventure bike and lacks the fun factor the KTM has. The KTM puts a smile on your face which you've described as missing on the Himi. I get its not aimed at me, and aimed at A2 licence holders, and if i was an A2 licence holder then just maybe i'd go for one.
Concerning the 'trash' build-up on the bike - no problems at the front? Watching a review from one of our US cousins ('Dork In The Road' I think), he was on one on a group ride and in wet clay, and that close-fitting lower front mudguard just jammed up all the time, requiring constant clear outs.
I know what you mean, maybe in an emergency but not for touring. There is one UA-camr who has a GS (recently it was stolen) but all he does is motorway to and from a destinations.
Sportsbikes on A2 license? I don't know, innit kinda weird? I get that you can have a Harley restricted to A2, because the torque(which is massive) stays the same, but the hp is limited. But then again, I could never understand sportsbikes, much less A2 or 125ccs... And these complains about the weight? Seriously? I mean, it's not light, but it has factory centre stand and crash bars, so 196kg is not that bad, but then again, coming from A2 limited sportsbikes, yea, it probably feels like a behemoth...
I had the same Throttle Position Sensor issue with mine, happened 2 or 3 times a few months ago, it went away after a few restarts, and it never happened since. I think it happened when I accelerate too quickly, like when overtaking, but hasn't happened since.
Thanks for the review. Just wondering if you'd been normal joe Public would you have received the same service at the RE dealership and the fact they had the throttle sensors in stock tells me something.🤔
06:11 You haven't "used too much rear brake" before? What the hell does that even mean? Is that a sport bike thing or what? Or are you taught not to use it in the UK or something? Very weird thing to just casually mention...
Hi, Joseph here. What I mean is that when I ride my personal bike, a lightweight, low-powered ZXR400 sportbike, I can usually achieve the desired braking force using just the front brake, with only about 10% rear brake. In contrast, on this heavier ADV bike, I’m using a more balanced 50/50 split between front and rear, which has been an interesting difference for me.
The high up CofG of sports bikes means weight transfer makes the rear too easy to lock up, so many riders stopped using it - A friend's bike shop sponsored an R6 based race bike. Its rider had a caliper from a Peugeot moped fitted to the rear, just to comply to the rules and for steadying the rear end by applying drag in the turns. Under heavy braking the rear wheel was so light it was clear of the ground. - Since ABS, there's no excuse, but former 'wisdom' takes a while to learn these things. As learners, riders are taught (or should be) to use both brakes correctly, but after leaving the 'cooking' 125cc bike behind, riders get into bad habits rather than honing their skills on the more advanced bikes they've bought.
@@ChrisParrett-qo4sx Ahhh that makes more sense. I figured there must be a reason precisely because riders are taught to use both brakes. Thanks for the explanation!
How can having to use the brakes properly be a criticism?… Just ’cos he's been using a sports bike is no excuse for not riding… and braking… in a correct manner, especially now all new bikes have ABS: a necessity because the higher CofG of modern bikes (particularly from Japan) makes weight transfer cause rear brakes to lock too easily. Using both brakes together has always been correct practice, but too many riders today rely on their front brake only, forgetting what they were taught as learners (I've been an instructor, so I'm aware of how braking is taught from CBT level onwards).
Have one as my first bike and its been great on and offroad. Done extensive green laning on it already. Yeah I wish it had more power and was lighter, especislly when you drop it on a trail, but its been completely fine. All the points raised except the limp mode, Ive experienced too. Like mud build up, bad mirrors, excessive fuel consumption, frequent stalling, forced neutrals etc. I'm also 6.4 ft, and while its a bit small for me (most bikes are), again its been ok for comfort, seated or stood. Will likely change to a lighter more powerful bike in a year or so though. Kive 800x rally maybe. As commented in the video, you feel the weight offroad.
It’d be nice if you tried to discuss this bike more from an average general perspective rather than your own. I feel like you’re not giving it enough credit.
Interesting about the fuel range. I have an older Meteor 350 which has a 4 gallon tank, but if the fuel get's near half a tank, it will suddenly dip to naught and the bingo fuel warning light will come on. So have to top off my tank often, though it never takes more than 2.5 gallons on the fill up. Which means there was actually 2 gallons still in there! Guess this is a common Royal Enfield issue, with how they build the fuel gauge floats in their tanks?
I'm sure they can use better materials and bring down the weight. But that would mean price will increase. And then youll say "so much for a 450cc is unacceptable ".
@davidsobey764 nope. Few instances and all caused by either untested third party accesories or excessive luggage or bikes from rental companies which have been abused. By that logic you can find broken frame stories about every bike and brand.
@Whatreally123 and poor welds on dubious tubing, plenty of them broken and I can't recall any other make regularly breaking no matter what abuse they get.
The engine is terribly weak. Enough for off-road but big pain on road. Unconfortable standing position; this buble tank, sticking out elements in legs area.
I own the kemet white Himalayan 450. I have all the accessories including panniers. I absolutely love this bike and have had no issues whatsoever. I stopped watching the video once I started to hear the whining pom. If you can't handle such a bike why did you buy it? Makes me laugh how people are so negative. I definitely wouldn't want to hang out with such people. How annoying and draining. My experience thus far has been absolutely awesome with the Himalayan 450
So it’s heavier than a Tenere, gets into the limp mode even on a press bike, false neutrals, useless mirrors, bad peg positioning and a fake British identity. But I will look cool on it as the bike has so called heritage hmmm decisions decisions
What makes you think that the older British royal Enfield are reliable. They are forced out of the market because of their reliability issue by Japanese manufacturers back then. So the British identity is as real as fcuk.
It's not good looking in any terms. According to this review there is nothing wrong with this bike. Except Royal Enfields, in todays biking world, are shite.
You pommies really are whingers, there's a ton of big mile reviews of this bike , and other Enfield products, from people that actually own them, there's a reason they are selling 100's of thousands of bikes, they're very well built. Next time you make a silly comment, make sure you know what you're talking about...
Where's your channel, and in-depth reviews? Oh you don't have a channel, or any content, OR any experience?! *shocked face* (Also, I guarantee you're not good looking in any terms)
Are you a fan of the Himalayan 450?
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I own the 411 it’s a bit slow and rough around the edges, but I absolutely love it and for Indian road it’s fast enough. I commute on it, tour with it and do trails. Done 47000 kms in 5 years.
I did test ride the 450 loved the suspension, it’s way better than what we are getting at this in India right now.
I’m a new rider of two weeks and test ride one yesterday. Loved the engine noise, position and overall vibe of the bike. Not at all intimidating but enough gas to get off the lights if required. Will be perfect as commuter and my first bike. Picking one up in Feb/March 25
Clear yes
Would be faster riding a cow.
It's a low bike, and it weighs 196 kg with a center stand and crash bars from the factory. That's not too much. Yeah yeah i know i must be a shill, but i rode the Himi450 multiple times offroad and the weight wasn't an issue. For reference i owned: Vstrom650xt, Versys 650, DRZ400s, Ktm 790Adv R.
Weight is not the biggest problem. The engine is terribly weak. Enough for off-road but big pain on road.
@@podunkman2709 is it? I bet you have not ridden the bike
@@podunkman2709maybe try the bike first.
@@podunkman2709unnecessary prejudice. Go out on one first.
As a review from such a young guy I think he’s every bit as good as the older reviewers. Great passion for biking and a credit to mcn 👍
Thanks for the kind words
Joseph has grown so much in confidence since his debut with Neevsey and his ZXR400.
Great review mate.
I was mile munching on this 450 one cilinder on the autobahn and mountain passes to Italy. Took a bigger windscreen and it was a real steady balanced bike.
I ordered this bike, tubeless Hanle Black november 2023 and took delivery aug this year, well worth the wait. Agree that it seems the wrong bike for your use but I have no regrets on my purchase. Sidestand lean apart it has exceded my expectations and this bike cost one third of my bmw R1200RS and so far, 800 miles, it has coped with Devon roads, 40mph dartmoor and now eqipped with pannier/saddlebag rails will be perfect next year for a few camping trips away
.I could repeat any of my previous 4 trips,uk to Norway, arctic circle etc ( bmw's 2013 R1200R, 2015 RS and 2 on my current 2017 RS SE) on this Himalayan and enjoy it just as much. Not an off road rider and the other RE Guerrilla did not appeal to me. I like the look of this new model, a bit KLR, old school XT350/500 SP370 old bikes I did consider as a second bike but at this price it seemed a bargain for a new machine.
I also have a 2017 1200RS. I'm hoping to get the Black 450 that I ordered in July soon. I've taken my RS off the road for the winter (Canada's west coast), but I plan to ride the 450 year-round. I'm wondering if I will want to keep my RS or if the 450 will suit all my needs. I love riding the RS, but I can only ride one bike at a time, and the 450 will be better as a daily rider locally and for camping trips, so I'm not sure if the RS will have a function that's worth the expense.
@@RetiredAdventureRider I think you have also chosen the best colour, just missing some John Player Special labels! My RS has just had the 18k service, free of charge new shaft drive and rear bevel drive unit, and new tyres so I think this is my 'keeper' after my last 'keeper' (R1200ST) had the brake pump failure and it was sold. The 450 is great for me across Devon lanes and dartmoor and from the reports, including 'fuzzy biker' with 18k miles in 12 weeks! It seems well up to any touring tasks. I have relatives who left Essex for Winnepeg 50 years ago but they do that 'go south for winter' to cope with your winters.
I appreciate RE's styling being more retro, and I also appreciate how they're priced. They're by no means class leading, but the price point definitely makes it easier for new riders to get into the sport, which is good for everyone. As a 22 year old who pays his own way, this category of riding is pretty pricey. It's not the only reason but I suspect it's a big part of the reason why I'm usually the youngest person on local group rides by 25-30 years. Nothing wrong with that of course, but I just like seeing more riders my age participating in this category of bike. These bikes encourage you to get out and see the world, and my age is when we typically have the most time and the least amount of responsibilities to prevent us from doing so.
I didn't have any trouble averaging 33kpl- 94mpg (imperial) on a 2400k trip loaded with complete camping load out. What I did have to get used to was the screwy fuel gauge, thinking I was out of fuel when I still had 4L or almost a gallon left in the tank. I now know how to read the gauge. (big brother) Even my mum didn't nag that much.
I will say I was taking it easy and enjoying the trip, few twisty's or long climbs, a tad bit of fire/logging road & a few Ks of nasty wet muddy unmaintained rd with many small tree branches to get over in the dark. Just fitting some decent 40/60 tyres now. I intend to do as much dirt road as I can while travelling.
I went with MOTOZ RalZ 130/80-17 & front 90/90-21, but I know some have problems with sticky mud jamming in the guards. Might have to add a flap to the top of the rear guard and lift the front, as some have. But remember it's not an Enduro or a Dual Sport.
Cheers from Downunder 👍
Great point:) I often found i was only ablest to add 15L of fuel even when dash indicated 0 miles.
I enjoyed mine over the 1300 miles I owned alongside a GS. The MPG never went below 70mpg even riding it hard. A great bike with quality suspension you can really chuck it about on the road, it's a bit on the heavy side but OK, it does lean a lot on the side stand. Keep up the good work MCN.
yes
200 kilo's? (440 lbs)
That's as much as my KLR-650
Nevertheless....this is a giant step up in refinement from the old one.
I would have never looked at an 'old' Himilaya before, but if I was smaller, and in the market, I would consider this. (I'm six four 230)
great video guys
It makes as much power as your KLR does to be fair.
@@TommyAngelo1337
maybe, but I can short shift around on that 650cc torque...and it fits me better because its tall.
Had it 6.5 years and nothing has broke (a 2018)
I been using this bike and had put on 5000 km on it and my point is for touring and mild off-roading its been a great bike for the price it offers. On the reliability part , i have not encountered anything that he is pointing out in this video. Im doing the proper services on the regular interval of time and it is very reliable. It is a very good beginner bike i would say. Not perfect but valuable.
I bought one. Love it. Agree with everything you said. Thanks for the tip on the TPS.
Glad I could help
I'm 25 and I've just got my Honda Transalp up absolutely loving it Always love to do the odd green line
This a a proper review! Not the usual, just ridden the bike for 2 hours nonsense.
Well done review. I enjoyed your takes on this bike even though it’s not one I’m particularly interested in.
Glad you enjoyed it
Brilliant review. Genuinely helped me, I was teetering on the edge of buying one, but reliability is everything when you’re in a remote off road location and haven’t seen anyone for hours. I have a T7 at the moment it’s a very simple and reliable machine, I had a niggling worry about the move to ride by wire, so with the issues you saw and the gearbox woes, whilst the Himalayan rides REALLY well, I will be sticking with my T7 till the “T4” appears.
Genuine thanks for such an honest and genuine review.
Glad you enjoyed the honesty
Very well done. Wish all reviews were as detailed and honest as this.
Not a bad looking bike , a few people here putting negative comments , but for the money and the usage not bad at all 👍
Agreed
Useful video on this bike had an eye on it since its launch but waiting for some real world use reviews. Audio from the presenter in mcn jacket is ropey
Right! Is he muttering into a mic with a sock on it so that this US listener has no idea what he is saying or perhaps he just wants to generate controversy and therefore engagement in the comments. Thanks for the video and for allowing me to opine.
ive had a few enfields in India from very old ones and my latest is a 2012 still in storage in India. Took one of these for a spin and was rather underwhelmed in reviews it sounded great but was really quite bland somehow.I think many will/have bought them from watching vids but I suspect there will be quite a lot of year old low mileage bikes available very soon.Go for a test ride before buying would be my recommendation. Great video lads.thanks
Love and namaste from India ❤️🇮🇳🙏🏻
I'm juuuuust shy of 5'8" with a 31" inseam and about 150lbs without gear/luggage. I test road a 450 the other week and agree it's pretty awesome for it's size. Especially with low seat on low setting. All but the shortest will be able to have both feet down.
It's not perfect but it's amazing for the money. I'm planning on picking up the tubeless version early 2025
Edit - if you look at the angle of the tank and front fender...it's the shape of the Himalayans/mountains.
Traded the ZX6R for the Himi 450 and yeah, its not on steroids but makes motorcycle riding great again "MMGA" 😉
I mean yeah, it weighs about as much as a t7 with significantly less motor. But it's also half the price.
If Royal Enfield takes the weight complaints seriously, the obvious next step for them twould be up the motor size to a 700 and raise the price into the t7 bracket. A major part of the appeal of this bike is that it's cheap enough to thrash and break without too much worry.
I want to worry more about breaking myself than worrying about breaking an expensive motorcycle.
It’s an interesting one isn’t it Adam earlier in the year I bought a Low miles T7 for 7k an sold it after some green laning for £6,250 to a dealer for a nx500 which was £6,250 on a 4 n a bit year old T7 really good residuals I’ve owned a 411 in the past, I think the fuel economy on the T7 an the grunt off road with the torque of a twin n leave the crash bars off (panels were cheap) an it’s a winner was suprisingly manageable I really didn’t get on with the T7 on the road that’s a Personal thing though. Was an epic bike on the easy green lanes in the peaks.
I'm sure they can make the bike lighter using better materials but that'll raise the price. So its always a trade-off between price and better materials.
@@Whatreally123 Or worse material. Had they used more cheap plastic bits rather than steel that would save a bit of weight. Careful what you ask for!
I think this guy was reviewing it from a "money is no object" mindset. If that's your mindset then yeah, this prob isn't the bike for you. But those folks are prob not watching this review anyway.
Absolutely love mine, use it pottering about seeing the country side and doing some green lanes. I have found the weight has restricted me on some of the tougher green lanes but to be honest when you really have to focus to get up a hill its not that enjoyable. Ive done 4K on mine mostly off road and wouldn't swap for anything else.
Thanks for mentioning the reliability issues. Most reviewers on UA-cam just fail to mention these, expect yammie noob. I own an RE and I've had extensive experience with 5 different RE bikes. Every single one of them have jad fairly major issues. I really don't know how more people don't mention these issues.
They don't mention them because they haven't had them, the issues seem to be less common than you think, just because someone has a problem doesn't make it a problem on every bike, this is the SAME for every manufacturer, I've seen more problems with KTM's and BMW's, and they are expensive to buy and fix, the RE is cheap to repair. There's a really good review from an Aussie guy, 10,000 k's of absolute abuse and not one problem. There are quite a few longer term reviews of this bike , not from journalists but enthusiasts, riding 10's of thousands of miles and I haven't read about the issues you speak of at all, in fact, they rave about it's reliability....
People in most cases prize their decisions. That is why never trust "owner reviews" Basic of psychology.
@@MickH60 i think it varies from country to country as the quality of the servicing will vary. But personally i don't think I'll be buying RE bikes as my personal experience has been absolutely terrible. Even in this video they mentioned that 2/2 bikes that they tested had the issue. It was only after the servicing which replaced an entire part that fixed it. I don't think in many countries the service techs will know to replace that particular part with perhaps a third party part? I dunno.
U owned 5 re bikes eventhough all of them had major issues? Umm
@@Futuremodi my dude you need to improve your reading skills. Start with nursery rhymes.
if you want to race through the bush then this is not the bike, if you want to scream down the highway then this is not the bike. But if you want to go and see the country side where you are riding and enjoying the views for which I think this bike is perfect for then it's a bargain. All bikes are a compromise somewhere, you just have to be honest with yourself for what you are going to do with it. Like you said it will go anywhere either in reason.
If you are rich then buy one of each.
Great review. Lessons learned that only come from miles in the seat \ standing up. :)
Going back to the very early 1980's I had a Suzuki TS100 which had all lights removed, great fun on the Dave Taylor, test/trailer track in Kent. Did I need find out my limits YES! did I need to about learn about addition YES, 30 years later I took a CCM 450 out and found far better than me along a green lane!!
If it was a KTM with these issues, the whole conversation would have been totally different
I mean it's literally just him who faced this particular issue.
Also, KTM gave terrible responses when people complained. They it.
I think the issue with ktm was how they addressed it.
The issue with KTM is that it's basically all of their bikes.
Great video Gent's.
Great video I really enjoyed Joseph’s review of the Himalaya and loved his enthusiasm for riding off road 👍👍
Thanks! 👍 Off-road is a-lot of fun:)
I’ve got a 17” Motoz Tractionator GPS on my 650suzuki.
A great tyre for all conditions.
Dualventure on the front.
Great combo
The most frequently used word in videos about motorcycles on UA-cam: "EPIC".
Great review, very informative.
This bike does not have any clutchless gear shift assist, up or down the gearbox, so why not use the clutch? Could there be self-inflicted selector damage? Mine is still in the running in, second stage, up to 6000rpm to 1200 miles but I still have 95mpg showing trip 2 since zero miles and even reset trip 1after 500 miles the mpg is still above 93, although I am only using E95 shell superV or Esso super-unleaded. I would expect 80mpg touring mileage and this seems acheivable as my various R1200 bmw's over the last 20 years always exceded 55mpg and nearer 70mpg in Norway with their 80kph/50mph lower speed limits
I have a 1250GS and instead chose the KLX300. Lighter, reliable, better network and it gives me a bigger smile than the GS.
well i am really confused by Joseph's take on the Himalayan. Either its almost the opposite of what i thought so far from the bike (including a short test ride and previous ownership of 411) or after many many miles the bike reveals its true face. However i can almost tell that Michael Guy differentiates at some points his personal opinion about it. I tend to agree with him more...
Great video and content as always lads! Quick question, in the slightly trickier / more technical off-road, how much of a gap is there in terms of manageability “for a lesser rider” between the Himay 452 and something like a CRF 300 Rall? Is it close, or is the Himay 452 night and day harder to handle? Let me explain a little more… I am of average skill off road, and I am looking for a new bike to do some longer distance adventure routes - like the ACT Portugal or the ACT Pyrenees. Obviously, lots of road (coming from UK) and mainly simpler off road, but as always (in a long trip) there will be challenging sections where I shall be remote and also solo. So whilst I “want” a bike that is decent on road, I actually “need” a bike I can manage on the worst of the off-road. I need to minimise the chances of being stranded in the middle of nowhere when solo. So, is the Himay 452 night and day more difficult to manage on more tech trails than something like a CRF 300 Rally? Or is there not that much in it (maybe 10%)? I like the idea of the better road manners of the Himay 452, but not if that comes with a significant hike in the risk of being struggling on the more tricky bits. Any insights really appreciated.
Great review
Honest review. In your own words not the bike for you and it showed in the video.
If you’ve visited any Royal Enfield service center in India, you’ve likely noticed a flood of Himalayan 450s lined up for repairs. The queues are extensive, reflecting the technical issues that plague many Royal Enfield bikes. Despite these challenges, the brand persists due to its monopoly in the segment.
While the Himalayan 450 is undoubtedly impressive in terms of rideability, its reliability and service experience leave much to be desired at this stage. I would advise against buying the Himalayan 450 immediately. Instead, it might be wiser to wait a year or two until the initial issues are resolved and the model proves its reliability in later iterations.
Brilliant review it’s refreshing to see a magazine doing propper journalism the issues are highly worrying as an ex 411 owner. All the reasons mentioned are why we bought a Honda Nx500 this time round and im about to buy a 2nd one to double up when I sell the 1150gsa so dad and I have a a Honda each.
When things are pointed out hopefully it improves the next version.
I had a 411 and ended up rejecting it at 500 miles had serious safety issues they couldn’t get the parts to fix it had brake light failures and chassis problems as well as other issues. When they did fit new parts they failed.
I’ve got friends who’s had transmissions exit the engine casings at under 500 miles.
When I got the refund on the Himalayan I got a 300 rally got the green laning out of my system and a t7 also made way for a Honda NX500 which is unbelievably light to move around super smooth fun brilliant handling and ignored by a lot of the press with incredible fuel economy and reliability an I got ours inc a service plan an extras for the same price as the Himalayan 450.
I think that Enfield really need to focus on reliability, parts availability and looking after the regular customer
I also think that 500cc singles should be light as someone who rides a 252lbs 1927 Norton light weight is your friend.
In 40 motorcycles the only ones I’ve ever had to reject for refunds were the Himalayan and 2x 390 ktm 390 adventures
I think My ideal setup is an nx500 for road riding 300 rally for green laning or tet. Those two I’ve owned really stood out didn’t get on with the T7 at all.
"the issues are highly worrying ", Gross exaggeration mate, after reading your post YOU sound like the problem.....
@@MickH60 hi Mick for context I’ll go into my bike history as to why I think I can comment that the issues are a concern for anyone else that might read your reply, I’m a bit bemused by your comment I can only assume you’ve not read my comment fully or not watched the Mcn video to conclusion. I’m also bored so always up for talking bikes after all that is the point of the comment section.
With regard to electrical issues and gearbox problems on the 450.
A bit about myself for context I’ve had 40 bikes from 1927 to modern day all ridden regular ex iom tt bikes etc an I’m an experienced rider, both on road and track.
I’ve worked on classic GP bikes for friends who race the Isle of Man and engines I’ve put together have won races and restore and work on vintage motorcycles.
All the other modern day machines I had 0 issues with 20 Japanese bikes an BMW’s on average 30k+ a year miles commuting in the past on all manner of bikes mainly classics I used to do 2k miles a week on a rd250lc with no problems, which i had built.
daily rode for 4 years a 1967 Norton 650ss no issues, through winter as well.
I’ve owned ridden and restored putting right issues by others the following bikes 4x rd250/350lc, rzv500r v4 2 stroke, 1927 Norton 16H, gsx750et x2, gt 750 kettle, rd250c, 1967 Norton 650SS, 1968 Norton commando, 1944 Norton 16h WD, tz350 Harris, 1150gsa,
Modern bikes I’ve owned and bought with my own money as highlights include, fireblades, gsxrs, ex Yamaha factory bikes, ex iom tt triumphs, multiple Triumphs road and race bikes, 1200gsa, 2014, 2018 gs Rallye 2018, vstrom 650xt, 1000xt, T7, f800gs, Honda CRF 300 rally, 390ktm x2, Honda NX500 amongst others.
The only modern bikes I’ve ever had issues with with have been Indian built and 1 gsa where a dealer destroyed the engine after leaving a gasket off which the engine was swiftly replaced on, so hopefully they can get the levels of quality control up to the level of the Japanese so everyone can experience the bikes at the best.
The Japanese motorcycles I’ve owned never had an ounce of issues either the classics which we’re regularly used year round, one of my previous bikes a GSX750ET that Id restored was just on the front of classic motorcycle mechanics that took Steve the owner all over the Swiss alps in total reliability.
As someone who spent my hard earned money on a 411 tons of problems with it, and I know of many other who have had issues. I found the ownership experience wasn’t good having long stroke singles from the 1920s and 40s I didn’t expect as many issues as I got with the Himalayan at the time I was using my Norton 650SS from 1967 without an ounce of issue while the Enfield was full of problems.
an Seeing the gearbox is still having issues with false neutrals now between 5 and 6 is yep a major problem in my book on a newly designed bike sid admitted in an interview that the 411 had issues an its a shame that they haven’t fully rectified it in the 450, I’ve heard of others who’ve experienced that.
watch the review fully and electrical faults yet again on an Enfield, anyone who spent hard earned money on a euro 5 will be Enfield will be fully aware of the problems that plagued them an new relays didn’t always fix it,
I never understand why people defend bike companies unless they have a vested interest when people have had major issues, look at the side stand lash up design wise on the 450 it feels heavier of the stand than any of my GSA’s even Nathan pointed that out on his channel.
We are all motorcyclists and talking about the issues in the hopes the feedback gets back to the manufacturer is important I actually had quite a long conversation with one of the designers from Enfield last year at the show about the issues I had with mine and they were grateful of the information.
Feedback on products is important and most important is when things have had issues glowing reviews from youtubers that ignore the issues does go on and it’s refreshing to see MCN pointing some problems out.
all the 411s had similar issues, a simple thing to design but they haven’t got it right over the life of the entire product so it’s refreshing to see a magazine pointing it out.
A friend of mines gearbox on there 411 launched itself out of the engine casing at under 500 miles another’s top end let go at 200 miles due to in adequate bearings on the cams again at under 500 miles an I know of others that have all failed with the same issue at under 30k miles,
Another’s chassis was out of plonk from the factory like mine on a 2023 brand new bike
On mine my chassis was bent from the factory causing handling issues, issues with the yokes, seized swing arm, constant stalling, relay issues, then the brake lights failed, they repaired them then 30 mins later the brake lights failed again leading to a car nearly rear ending me if I hadn’t spotted it not slowing off and getting out of the way. They then couldn’t get any parts to fix it this was around the time moto gb lost distribution.
Dealer admitted it shouldn’t have happened an took it back.
I’ve got friends that have been waiting for parts under warranty for 12 months on Enfields.
I’ve also got friends who have done 40k travelling round the world on one. For the flip side the fact remains though mine was a nightmare.
We then had it again with 2x Ktm 390 adventures,
Both bikes had corrosion issues from new both had tft failures one had constant fly by wire issues cut out on a bypass and wouldn’t restart, one had wheels that wouldn’t hold air, both were rejected at 147 and 269 miles I’ve got friends who are on there 4th+ tft Ktm don’t cover that under warranty.
For some of us motorcycles are more than pleasure items an we still use them as daily transportation a don’t own or use a car.
So reliability matters for me
For me a quote by Sochiro Honda springs to mind
“An engineer who contributes to the world by creating good products is a person of integrity”. Soichiro Honda
For those of us that have to buy our motorcycles it is a concern to see the same bout of issues that reared the head on the 411 still not addressed and into a product line. Although they are 6k we as customers should not be beta testers for the brand.
Everyone’s experience with every brand will be different but it’s important all voices are heard logically and without personal attacks.
@@adaptableadventurerideryou spew such venom, I feel bad for you
@herschat MCN asked if anyone had issues with the Himalayan and what we thought as someone who spent my hard earned wages on one and had major issues I was able to detail the problems.
At no point did I deviate from the issues with the bike and the fact of what happened including a dealer who supplied it taking it back and agreeing with me that the bike had major issues.
The personal attack from the other guy though a yourself was uncalled for.
People in India: wahnnnn! This bike needs Tc, also has no cruise control, needs cornering abs, not good on offroad, not good on highway.......
Meanwhile everybody around the world: enjoying the bike on and offroad
I actually think it looks really smart. The bark busters, crash protection and knobbly tyres make it look kind of mean. Its 100% better looking than its predecessor, which, in my opinion was fairly hideous and the headlight position was all wrong.
The colour scheme is a direct rip off of the BMW scrambler anniversary but i loved it on that so i like it on this. At £6k this is an absolute bargain. Because of this price however, the quality of materials will be lower and therefore heavier which wasn't mentioned in the video.
Would i buy one, probably no unless i wanted a cheap commuter i wasn't precious about. Based purely on horsepower, weight and size (a bit small for me). I've bought a 2024 KTM 1290SAS this year, and while incomparable in most ways, the Himi is still an adventure bike and lacks the fun factor the KTM has. The KTM puts a smile on your face which you've described as missing on the Himi. I get its not aimed at me, and aimed at A2 licence holders, and if i was an A2 licence holder then just maybe i'd go for one.
Looks like made with hammer.
Love this bike
Love from 🇮🇳
Concerning the 'trash' build-up on the bike - no problems at the front? Watching a review from one of our US cousins ('Dork In The Road' I think), he was on one on a group ride and in wet clay, and that close-fitting lower front mudguard just jammed up all the time, requiring constant clear outs.
14 hrs blimey, fair play … but why would you. Done lots of touring round Europe, don’t get the daft long days, it’s a holiday! But each to their own
I know what you mean, maybe in an emergency but not for touring. There is one UA-camr who has a GS (recently it was stolen) but all he does is motorway to and from a destinations.
Sportsbikes on A2 license? I don't know, innit kinda weird? I get that you can have a Harley restricted to A2, because the torque(which is massive) stays the same, but the hp is limited. But then again, I could never understand sportsbikes, much less A2 or 125ccs... And these complains about the weight? Seriously? I mean, it's not light, but it has factory centre stand and crash bars, so 196kg is not that bad, but then again, coming from A2 limited sportsbikes, yea, it probably feels like a behemoth...
I had the same Throttle Position Sensor issue with mine, happened 2 or 3 times a few months ago, it went away after a few restarts, and it never happened since. I think it happened when I accelerate too quickly, like when overtaking, but hasn't happened since.
It might be wise to trade in your 690 at this moment in time?
Thanks for the review. Just wondering if you'd been normal joe Public would you have received the same service at the RE dealership and the fact they had the throttle sensors in stock tells me something.🤔
Maybe you were unlucky with the TPS, because i haven't heard any issue with them on the forums... its a great bike for travel as you say
Bike looks epic
I would get shot of those tyres if you want good mpg.... imo
Good point
I actually prefere the looks of the old one butthe bike it self has many good upgrades
John
stalbansbiker
I watched another review where the throttle position sensor went. Seems like it is a common issue
06:11 You haven't "used too much rear brake" before? What the hell does that even mean? Is that a sport bike thing or what? Or are you taught not to use it in the UK or something? Very weird thing to just casually mention...
Hi, Joseph here. What I mean is that when I ride my personal bike, a lightweight, low-powered ZXR400 sportbike, I can usually achieve the desired braking force using just the front brake, with only about 10% rear brake. In contrast, on this heavier ADV bike, I’m using a more balanced 50/50 split between front and rear, which has been an interesting difference for me.
The high up CofG of sports bikes means weight transfer makes the rear too easy to lock up, so many riders stopped using it - A friend's bike shop sponsored an R6 based race bike. Its rider had a caliper from a Peugeot moped fitted to the rear, just to comply to the rules and for steadying the rear end by applying drag in the turns. Under heavy braking the rear wheel was so light it was clear of the ground. - Since ABS, there's no excuse, but former 'wisdom' takes a while to learn these things. As learners, riders are taught (or should be) to use both brakes correctly, but after leaving the 'cooking' 125cc bike behind, riders get into bad habits rather than honing their skills on the more advanced bikes they've bought.
@@ChrisParrett-qo4sx Ahhh that makes more sense. I figured there must be a reason precisely because riders are taught to use both brakes. Thanks for the explanation!
[6:00] That plastic sheath under your exhaust has been worn through.
Good eye
Where's those winding road?
Quite a lot of twistys in this video but my favourite riding this year was the Pyrenees.
How can having to use the brakes properly be a criticism?… Just ’cos he's been using a sports bike is no excuse for not riding… and braking… in a correct manner, especially now all new bikes have ABS: a necessity because the higher CofG of modern bikes (particularly from Japan) makes weight transfer cause rear brakes to lock too easily. Using both brakes together has always been correct practice, but too many riders today rely on their front brake only, forgetting what they were taught as learners (I've been an instructor, so I'm aware of how braking is taught from CBT level onwards).
Wow Im early this time
Have one as my first bike and its been great on and offroad. Done extensive green laning on it already. Yeah I wish it had more power and was lighter, especislly when you drop it on a trail, but its been completely fine.
All the points raised except the limp mode, Ive experienced too. Like mud build up, bad mirrors, excessive fuel consumption, frequent stalling, forced neutrals etc.
I'm also 6.4 ft, and while its a bit small for me (most bikes are), again its been ok for comfort, seated or stood.
Will likely change to a lighter more powerful bike in a year or so though. Kive 800x rally maybe. As commented in the video, you feel the weight offroad.
Couldn't agree more!
It’d be nice if you tried to discuss this bike more from an average general perspective rather than your own. I feel like you’re not giving it enough credit.
Very beautiful
Most reliable 450 cc in the world
Interesting about the fuel range. I have an older Meteor 350 which has a 4 gallon tank, but if the fuel get's near half a tank, it will suddenly dip to naught and the bingo fuel warning light will come on. So have to top off my tank often, though it never takes more than 2.5 gallons on the fill up. Which means there was actually 2 gallons still in there! Guess this is a common Royal Enfield issue, with how they build the fuel gauge floats in their tanks?
I would get shot of those tyrs if you want good mpg ....imo
Cf moto is much better, much lighter (only 175kg) , i don't know who in the right mind would buy this 💩
Cfmoto is also 195kg , you are quoting dry weight 175kg . Don't distort facts to justify your hate
Well then him 450 is 196+17 is 213@@___SSS___
440lbs for 40 horses... I'll take a DRZ 400E
I really want to like this bike but hate the way it looks. Those crash bars look like they come off a different bike.
Alp dHuez?..
I wanted to like it, but too heavy & underpowered… just like all Enfields, I suppose😕
It's faster then the previous ktm 390 adv even tho Enfield is heavier 😂
How is the audio so bad?
Interesting but terrible audio.
200kg is unacceptable for a 450cc.
It is for you. Not for the 1000's who have brought and 100's of thousands more who will buy 😅
Why heavy is good for a touring bike. Nothing scary than wind buffeting in a light bike when a truck passes bike
I'm sure they can use better materials and bring down the weight. But that would mean price will increase. And then youll say "so much for a 450cc is unacceptable ".
@vishnumohannair8506 Exactly!
@@vishnumohannair8506true. My 400lb wet weight Ducati scrambler is too light at highway speed going distance.
If you are working this hard keep an eye on the frame, it will break.
It won't. I don't nderstand where people got this notinalli that the frame will break from.
@Whatreally123 look up Zana motorcycles on UA-cam for some info on Himalayan frame breakage.
@Whatreally123 when you go looking you will find many instances of frame breakage on Himalayans.
@davidsobey764 nope. Few instances and all caused by either untested third party accesories or excessive luggage or bikes from rental companies which have been abused.
By that logic you can find broken frame stories about every bike and brand.
@Whatreally123 and poor welds on dubious tubing, plenty of them broken and I can't recall any other make regularly breaking no matter what abuse they get.
The engine is terribly weak. Enough for off-road but big pain on road. Unconfortable standing position; this buble tank, sticking out elements in legs area.
Video is a bit long
I own the kemet white Himalayan 450. I have all the accessories including panniers. I absolutely love this bike and have had no issues whatsoever.
I stopped watching the video once I started to hear the whining pom. If you can't handle such a bike why did you buy it? Makes me laugh how people are so negative. I definitely wouldn't want to hang out with such people. How annoying and draining.
My experience thus far has been absolutely awesome with the Himalayan 450
It's about 15 kgs heavier than my 2002 ZX6R. A 22 year old 636cc 4 cylinder engine.😂
No
So it’s heavier than a Tenere, gets into the limp mode even on a press bike, false neutrals, useless mirrors, bad peg positioning and a fake British identity. But I will look cool on it as the bike has so called heritage hmmm decisions decisions
What makes you think that the older British royal Enfield are reliable. They are forced out of the market because of their reliability issue by Japanese manufacturers back then. So the British identity is as real as fcuk.
@ never said that they did
@@kn58 When you said false British identity it sounded like that.
Enfield is not a manufacturer of serious products.
Rubbish comment, clueless...
It's not good looking in any terms. According to this review there is nothing wrong with this bike. Except Royal Enfields, in todays biking world, are shite.
You pommies really are whingers, there's a ton of big mile reviews of this bike , and other Enfield products, from people that actually own them, there's a reason they are selling 100's of thousands of bikes, they're very well built. Next time you make a silly comment, make sure you know what you're talking about...
Where's your channel, and in-depth reviews? Oh you don't have a channel, or any content, OR any experience?! *shocked face*
(Also, I guarantee you're not good looking in any terms)