Che Style Xingyi Quan Gathering in Taigu - Exploring Xingyi Quan ep4
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- We've now gone west to the town of Taigu in Shanxi province to discover the roots of Xingyi Quan. In today's episode we attend a gathering of a group of masters and practitioners of Che Style Xingyi in an abandoned factory a short drive out of town.
In this series, I team up with Paul Andrews of Xingyi Academy and Jon Nicklin to travel to Tianjin, Shanxi and Henan to explore the various styles of the art of Xingyi Quan. We will cover the Hebei Style of Li Cun Yi, Song and Che Family Xingyi in Taigu, Dai Style Xinyi in Qi County and Muslim Xinyi Liuhe in Henan Province.
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They were really excited to show their skill. Hinted headbuts and groin shots, they fight dirty for real.
@@saigonproducer I dont think he was badmouthing it.
The human culture is so vast and interesting that if I lived 900 years I would not get bored.
Another great episode! Also props to Paul for getting in the human dummy role for these guys.
Love this video on Che style Xingyi. Would love to see more Che style Xingyi, great stuff!
Love Paul's willingness to take a beating, fair play! Dudes need some matts!!! 😁
This is some of the best xingyiquan applications I've seen on the various forms. Especially from the head teacher. Actual fighting principles from feinting, to waist torquing for power, to high and low line attacks.
It's just amazing that even though I've been training for 33 years I still learn something new. I loved this video!
wow 33 years is a lot time... respect to you!
Thank you for sharing. This is by far the most informative video on Che style applications I've ever seen. Surprised to see how well those middle-aged guys move!
The guy with the striped shirt though. So smooth!
This is the real thing.
Haha I like how they use shuai jiao jacket for demo padding.
Mr. Andrews comported himself with great dignity and restraint.
Yea, the guy with the belly had a bit of an attitude, but I liked the younger guy and the guy with the mustache.
in the full footage which is on Patreon, Paul gives quite a bit more back.
@@ambulocetusnatans I lived in ShanXi for three years, It normal for an older uncle to kind of do that, and it is in meant in the best spirit. It's a very blunt culture.
Another nice one. Looked like good fun. Only one bloke was really taking the piss.
ShanXi Xing Yi is pretty awesome!
Beautiful techniques in pure forms.
Thank you for sharing .
Outstanding work! The practitioners are really impressive!
pretty awesome vid
Ty guys for sharing your love of the arts with others that love them.
Ha! :D That's a shuaijiao dalian what these guys were using as a mat. :D
Kungfu art fighting similiar with grappling concepts is about sticking close range not like boxing nowday throws withdraw and repeat
Fascinating. I've always thought Xingyi is exclusively striking style. Never knew there's a variant that uses body tackles in such a way, almost looks like Bajiquan.
Several of the guys in the video were also Chinese Wrestlers, so some of the stuff they were showing was that
I'm having so many epiphanies right now about the five elements and some of the twelve animals it's not even funny! I didn't realize that Xingyi has as many elbow and body strikes as Bajiquan.
As someone who has to teach myself Che Style Xingyi (via tutorials from Zhang Xi Gui because no one here practices or has even heard of Che Style Xingyi), videos and documentaries like this are an invaluable source of information about how Xingyi is such a full system and the possibilities of techniques within movements
Where do you live?
If you don't mind me asking, how did you come to understand the springiness of Che style? Or, if springiness is a misunderstanding on my part, what is the trait that manifests as that, forward backward motion like a rubber band?
@@championboy4782 I did a lot of research (about 6 months) into Xingyi and it's principles (including power issuance and projection) and how it is trained and applied across styles of Xingyi. Xingyi has "Spiralling power". Kind of like a drill bit drilling into a piece of wood
@@Livingtree32 I live in Maryland. The only place that I'm aware of that teaches Xingyi teaches Sun Style and I like that lineage but I wanted to learn Che Style.
@@ajarciaga8864 I understand the concept of spiralling(only as it relates to the lower body) and have watched some videos of Che style, the practitioner explained it like a rubber band from your hip and shoulder to create that explosiveness like a pendulum. Do you generate power similarly or differently?
Thank you, very interesting once again. 👍🙏
Another nice one. Thanks!
VS a dangerous XY opponent those guys would lose extremely. They are basically harmless.
Lol 😂
Me at 7:55 :
WHAT?! HOW?! WHAT?!!!
Any chance of seeing some sparring from these guys?
Hi thank you1! Are there any schools in Florida?
No idea. I’m British
@@MonkeyStealsPeach oh yes! Cheers! I really appreciate this channel. I learned Tai chi from Dr Wong years ago .
@@MonkeyStealsPeach the video below was my teacher, a great man and honored among the Chinese masters.
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I can't help but noticing from one episode to another that the combat methods seem to be quite different from the forms... As opposed to Tang Lang for an example, which is more of a "what you see is what you get" kind of approach.
Any ideas if there is a reason behind?
Xingyi fighting concepts can be very abstract. It makes it hard to learn strategies from the forms alone, but if somebody shows you the methods you can find the connection to the form in the way execution of techniques feel, rather than how they look.
The forms are the basic training of your respective style, your solo training for everyday. At least for the styles I practice (Taijiquan and Xingyiquan), the forms are not meant to be "applied", but rather build up certain movement qualities in our bodies, which then have to be transferred into applications. The applications may or may not resemble the form movements, but they have to contain the essence of what you train in your solo exercises.
While external styles has precise applications, originally internal styles was less about techniques and all about internal power and superior structure, for example the famous Xingyi master Guo Yunshen, made his name defeating countless ppl with only Beng Quan, which is just one punch, what allowed him to win was not the technique but the structure and power he has. As time pass on, less and less ppl if any, can reach the ability of those olden day masters, which is why more and more application was invented to cover the lack of superior structure and power, and since every lineage and branch did this on their own, the later invented applications are not universal.
@@Livingtree32 you sir, have hit the nail cleanly on the head.
I couldn't agree with you more.
@@TriEssenceMartialArts yes. The way I see it is that me, you, and all the guys in this video probably do different versions of chicken form for example.
At the end of the day the specific applications may vary but the essence of the chicken is there, we should all be able to recognise "that's a chicken form" even though it's not the way we may do it. We should see the spirit of the animal, not a catalogue of external techniques.
Your XingYi is no match for My SHAOLIN! Believe it! humph!
It's a little different than typical Xing Yi. Some of the movements are unexpected. Do you think you will incorporate all the things you learned from the different styles into your personal training?
Well some of those guys there also practice Shuai Jiao and Sanda, so its a bit of a mix really.
Yes, I picked up various things from the different teachers I've met and filmed and incorporate it into my own training.
It depends on what you define as "typical Xingyi". Hebei is kind of seen as a standard nowadays due to higher exposure. Shanxi styles in many regards seem to be closer to the Dai Xinyi roots of the art. To me personally the Hebei styles are "a little different". 😁
@@Livingtree32 From the little I know of xingyi yours is probably the more historically true perspective.
you guys are too focused on tradition, look at principles of power and fighting principles your eyes will open. remember the name "form fist" Hsing I was famous for being explosive powerful and most of all adaptable.
@@philjohnston7920 The literal meaning of tradition is the transmission from teacher to pupil. Without this person to person tradition there are no principles left. And Xingyiquan does not mean form fist, but Form Intention Fist. Without the traditional approach you will not be able to grasp neither the right external form, nor the internal intentions that go with it. That's why few people master the fundamental stage in all Chinese martial arts, not only Xingyiquan.
Well.... Che style is a dead art
What do you mean? There is no future for it?
Solaire Records its a dead art as most IMA... thats why they cant fight
山西太谷
打你是在教你，千金難買
Damn... they just beat up on this white dude. Props to the big guy for eating shit like a champ 👍
all these moves look unnecessary and big with more pushing then striking.
每一个都是功夫骗子
ПОЖАЛУСТА ПОЯСНИТЕ , ЧТО ВЫ ИМЕЛИ ВВИДУ ???🇷🇺
講就天下無敵，打就……..。