Great discussion. As a stability shoe wearer, I have learned to mix up my shoes and will go back and forth between neutral and stable shoes. It’s really opened up the variety of shoes I can wear and I know my body well enough to choose the right shoe.
@ the options are limited on stability shoes so to get a rotation with a speed shoe and race day shoe, there aren’t many lightweight choices so I ventured away from wearing stability shoes exclusively. Some neutral shoes don’t work but others have. One example is ASICS SuperBlast. I wore that in my first marathon with no pain and it was supportive. I’d say 30% of my shoes are neutral now.
We do take running for granted. Still recovering from psoas syndrome 10 months ago: sitting too long in car, road trip. Every run now is a celebration and won't take it for granted again.
As you work on mobility, running/jogging...stability shoes will go away. Ankle strength, nimbleness, balancing all need practice. And, of course some are better than others...
I always thought I needed stability shoes to run better and prevent patellar rattling or pain and ankle instability when running. Turns out it is the foam and the heel to toe drop that needed to be analyzed before anything else. Soft foams and low heel to toe drops are the real issues for me. Neutral shoes with moderately hard foam and somewhere between 6-8 mm drop are the sweet spot (shoes like Triumph or Adidas SL).
Great video. The fact that at this time there is only 4k views just shows how little people know and more sadly care what stability is in a running/walking shoe. JR
With that said, some people NEED stability. Especially for high mileage peak training and when you are not built like a runner. It was fun trying all the super shoes and stable neutral daily shoes. And now they are all sitting in the shelf. Recovering better with the classics: GT-2000, DS Trainer, Kayano. Also back to the drawing board looking for the Nike Lunarglide…. It is not the Tempus.
Great podcast, this is really interesting as someone who works at a fleet feet. The shoes we carry as as Matt mentioned, are those basic, neutral, neutral stable shoe and none of the flashy shoes, like Skechers, adidas, puma and new balance like lower cushioned and more performance oriented shoes. Which i think is why this situation occurs like especially the whole Hoka Clifton,bondi, asics nimbus, and fresh foam more and even on the lower end like some brooks everyone starts there. I did have one question are people feet getting weaker/are these brands making high stack hight stiff shoes causing people to stay in those shoes and not allow for this transition?
Isn't there a better way to find out the type of shoe that would work better for you than trial and error which can be rather costly and a waste of time ? Aren't there facilities with running machines that a computer will analyze your gait , your foot strike upon the ground , the pressure points your own particular foot feel ,etc . This at least would put a person in the right ballpark on choices before they walk into a store to purchase , a store that unfortunately might not be looking out for your best interests .
There are some special insoles that can identify your pressure points and speed of pronation etc. The issues is that these are currently quite expensive. Also, the data is not just for the runner. It is the runner in a particular shoe. So, that does not eliminate the trial and error. Currently, some Podiatrists, Physical Therapist and some specialty running stores provide services to observe your running on treadmill and some of them are equipped with some fancy camera-based systems to identify your pronation etc. and match you a shoe. Again, it really depends on the sophistication of the system (more sophisticated, rarer to find) and experience of the person evaluating the gait. I agree with your concern that the stores are probably not the best place. On the other hand, a lot of podiatrists are also too eager to give you an insert. Some are even putting inserts in stability shoe (like belt and suspenders at the same time). I think too many runners are sold more stability than they need because of financial conflict of interests. Some people can do well with neutral and inherently stable shoes. Others need light stability and very few actually need aggressive stability shoes and as this video said, as the runner gets stronger, they can move from category to category. I am pretty flattish footed, but I have almost always used neutral shoes. If it was left to the experts, I would be in stability shoes. The runners have to show interest for himself and learn. Personally, too few runners have such curiosity, and they take whatever they are told and they never try anything else. I have a friend who ran several marathons in Brooks Ghost. He does track workouts in that shoe as well. I told him how much better he could do with some other shoes and recover better as well but he goes back to Ghosts.
@@TolunayOrkun : Thank you for your input. I will go by trial and error and what will amount to quite a bit of experimenting with different shoes over the next few months to find the right shoe for me . There are those who don't like change even if something doesn't totally work for them or perhaps something might work better they stick to whats familiar.
There's literally thousands of running shoe sales people across the world who will analyse you're running gait and recommend what type of shoe they think is best for you with absolutely no qualifications to carry out this analysis whatsoever. In practical terms, for most of us, it's just trial and error in order to find the best shoe type that works for you.
Soooo how does one know? Lol Like what factors should one be focusing on to determine which? The only factor he addressed is whichever one "works for you".
Great discussion. As a stability shoe wearer, I have learned to mix up my shoes and will go back and forth between neutral and stable shoes. It’s really opened up the variety of shoes I can wear and I know my body well enough to choose the right shoe.
absolutely agree with that, I've come to this conclusion as well
What was your trigger to go back and forth between stability and neutral? Was it pain, discomfort or others?
@ the options are limited on stability shoes so to get a rotation with a speed shoe and race day shoe, there aren’t many lightweight choices so I ventured away from wearing stability shoes exclusively. Some neutral shoes don’t work but others have. One example is ASICS SuperBlast. I wore that in my first marathon with no pain and it was supportive. I’d say 30% of my shoes are neutral now.
We do take running for granted. Still recovering from psoas syndrome 10 months ago: sitting too long in car, road trip. Every run now is a celebration and won't take it for granted again.
As you work on mobility, running/jogging...stability shoes will go away. Ankle strength, nimbleness, balancing all need practice. And, of course some are better than others...
I always thought I needed stability shoes to run better and prevent patellar rattling or pain and ankle instability when running. Turns out it is the foam and the heel to toe drop that needed to be analyzed before anything else. Soft foams and low heel to toe drops are the real issues for me. Neutral shoes with moderately hard foam and somewhere between 6-8 mm drop are the sweet spot (shoes like Triumph or Adidas SL).
Great video. The fact that at this time there is only 4k views just shows how little people know and more sadly care what stability is in a running/walking shoe. JR
With that said, some people NEED stability. Especially for high mileage peak training and when you are not built like a runner. It was fun trying all the super shoes and stable neutral daily shoes. And now they are all sitting in the shelf. Recovering better with the classics: GT-2000, DS Trainer, Kayano. Also back to the drawing board looking for the Nike Lunarglide…. It is not the Tempus.
Tempus has worked very well for me so far.
There is no evidence that is true.
Great podcast, this is really interesting as someone who works at a fleet feet. The shoes we carry as as Matt mentioned, are those basic, neutral, neutral stable shoe and none of the flashy shoes, like Skechers, adidas, puma and new balance like lower cushioned and more performance oriented shoes. Which i think is why this situation occurs like especially the whole Hoka Clifton,bondi, asics nimbus, and fresh foam more and even on the lower end like some brooks everyone starts there. I did have one question are people feet getting weaker/are these brands making high stack hight stiff shoes causing people to stay in those shoes and not allow for this transition?
I use stability shoes for daily runs and neutral for workouts/ tempos.
Isn't there a better way to find out the type of shoe that would work better for you than trial and error which can be rather costly and a waste of time ? Aren't there facilities with running machines that a computer will analyze your gait , your foot strike upon the ground , the pressure points your own particular foot feel ,etc . This at least would put a person in the right ballpark on choices before they walk into a store to purchase , a store that unfortunately might not be looking out for your best interests .
There are some special insoles that can identify your pressure points and speed of pronation etc. The issues is that these are currently quite expensive. Also, the data is not just for the runner. It is the runner in a particular shoe. So, that does not eliminate the trial and error.
Currently, some Podiatrists, Physical Therapist and some specialty running stores provide services to observe your running on treadmill and some of them are equipped with some fancy camera-based systems to identify your pronation etc. and match you a shoe. Again, it really depends on the sophistication of the system (more sophisticated, rarer to find) and experience of the person evaluating the gait.
I agree with your concern that the stores are probably not the best place. On the other hand, a lot of podiatrists are also too eager to give you an insert. Some are even putting inserts in stability shoe (like belt and suspenders at the same time). I think too many runners are sold more stability than they need because of financial conflict of interests. Some people can do well with neutral and inherently stable shoes. Others need light stability and very few actually need aggressive stability shoes and as this video said, as the runner gets stronger, they can move from category to category. I am pretty flattish footed, but I have almost always used neutral shoes. If it was left to the experts, I would be in stability shoes.
The runners have to show interest for himself and learn. Personally, too few runners have such curiosity, and they take whatever they are told and they never try anything else. I have a friend who ran several marathons in Brooks Ghost. He does track workouts in that shoe as well. I told him how much better he could do with some other shoes and recover better as well but he goes back to Ghosts.
@@TolunayOrkun : Thank you for your input. I will go by trial and error and what will amount to quite a bit of experimenting with different shoes over the next few months to find the right shoe for me . There are those who don't like change even if something doesn't totally work for them or perhaps something might work better they stick to whats familiar.
One issue for me at least is that my running form is very inconsistent and dependent on things like pace, fatigue, conditioning/strength etc
There's literally thousands of running shoe sales people across the world who will analyse you're running gait and recommend what type of shoe they think is best for you with absolutely no qualifications to carry out this analysis whatsoever.
In practical terms, for most of us, it's just trial and error in order to find the best shoe type that works for you.
Soooo how does one know? Lol
Like what factors should one be focusing on to determine which? The only factor he addressed is whichever one "works for you".
Ok so what they say is just run figure out yourself stick at it
Didn't actually answer the question in the video title.
Haha. I thought the question was if it was unique to him or not? Answer "No". Next question 😂🤣
There is not a shred of prove that stability shoes make any difference in injury rates on runners. Go with neutral shoes.