That was basically the original meaning of the term: Existential angst and despair at failing to find meaning. It describes a genuine human struggle. People then took on the label of being philosophical nihilists, but it’s never been seriously discussed, because the ideas put forth are either not nihilistic or they’re not a coherent philosophy.
It's so close. Nihilism COULD have been a good way to get people to turn away from the materialism eating away at their society and turn towards higher things. Nietzsche even respected ascetic monks for their personally restrained lifestyle.
Weirdly, Chaos doesn't corrupt the concept of Nihilism but practice it into its ORIGINS and PURIFICATION?! Other concepts get corrupted but feeling worthless is HOLY to Chaos.
Its a strawman the religious came up with to pwn atheists. Meaning is something deeply personal and cant just be handed down to you like some ppl seem to think. Trust me nihilism is not something high on my list of things to be corrected for as a nonreligious person. The meaninglessness imposed on me by fundamentalists wackjobs is though.
Meh. Nihilism is usually just a turning point into some other kind of ism. Saw my brother, father, and grandad all do it. To assume meaning cannot be received from a person, especially a parent, sort of gums up the idea of language itself.
This is the most genuinely horrifying thing that I’ve ever heard: An Ork Warboss feeling genuine empathy for humans. Truly we are the most cursed species if we make a concept that can heartbreak even an Ork. 😐 Great video Noman. I’m going to go ponder on my existence. Have a good day. 😐
Zork might just go and find a pacifist to krump just for shits and giggles. I can see him being amused by humies who won't fight back for stupid humie reasons.
After watching this video, I started noticing that a lot of people don't know the difference between Existentialism and Absurdism. They might mention the name "Absurdism" but then describe it using your definition of Existentialism. I think "creating your own meaning" is probably the more popular of the two, because it's easier to live by, but the word "Absurdism" got more famous for whatever reason. Probably because "absurd" is a funnier word, and in part because of the myth of Sisyphus.
So Nihilism is a state of being that just cannot be, absurdism and existentialism is really the natural answer to the questions posed by nihilism. But man adore these videos. Honestly never really looked at what Nihilism meant, just a vague idea of it's context
Ya evah wondah wut happenz if we find Da Emprah an e’ krumps all da gitz in da yooniverze. If der ain’t no mo gitz ta krump den ders no more foightin. Den wat we do? We orks iz made for foightin. Wot we do if ders no more foightin on account uv der bein no more gitz!
I consider myself a nihilist. I have no prescriptions as to how you or anyone else should live their life, because there are no moral absolutes or even universally held ideals, and everything we are or care about will be erased by the inexorable erosion of time. Anyway, love the channel. It's a pleasant if occasional distraction from the meaningless agony of existence.
Assuming that your premises are correct: There are no moral absolutes, or universal ideals, and everything eventually will die, why does mean that existence is pointless? I'd say the opposite breeds much more meaninglessness. If everything is universal and undying and eternal, what's the point of existence? If we don't have a beginning, middle and end, what's the point? If everyone had the same morals and ideals, what would we talk about? What's the point of endless uniformity of belief? You get one life to live. Make it count. The world is complicated and so are people. Figure it out. We will all die one day. Make it a life worth living.
@@noman8412 I think that's the kicker: there's no point either way. "Meaning" is a feeling. It's subjective, effervescent, illusory. It's conscious beings arbitrarily drawing constellations in the thoughtless stars. There is no hunter, no scorpion, no centaur. The same would be true with or without those stars, or even were there more that even more faithfully approximated those archetypes from our vantage point or any other. Meaning is constructed, and therefore no assigned meaning is preferable to any other. To paraphrase Syndrome, "When everyone's point of view is valid, no one's is."
Except that our perspectives are comprehensible to each other and we can work towards consensus about morality, philosophy, psychology, the human experience and what a fulfilled satisfying life is.
@@noman8412 We can work towards lots of stuff. That doesn't make it achievable. And, when all is said and done, I don't think consensus is achievable. People still seem to genuinely believe that Terra is flat, that it was created less than 10 millennia ago, and that national socialism was/is a worthwhile philosophy. No idea, no matter how demonstrably fallacious or destructive, every seems to die out. On the contrary, former follies we previously thought vanquished seem to periodically make comebacks - like measles. Things change. Systems certainly become more complex. But there's no consensus on whether that's a positive or a negative. Take the orks, for example. A paradise for both them and for humanity would be mutually exclusive, if paradise is even achievable for a collective as diverse as an entire species. What does it all mean? I think the question is as categorically inapplicable as asking what color music is.
People who believe flagrantly wrong things are in the minority. Orks aren’t real, so we don’t need to consider their preferences when attempting to create an ideal society for humanity. Are those your two examples for the pointlessness of existence? Two fantasies almost nobody believes and a fantasy that everyone knows to be fictional? Humanity isn’t hopeless. Individuals are hopeless, usually by their own choosing.
I got into philosophy and tripping and hate nihilism. The paradox in struggle with is regardless of how existence isolated put, is uncomfortable. For example compare the finite to the infinite. His hard to see meaning in a finite existence, and also hard to see meaning in an eternal existence. To exist for eternity or to cease to exist, both feel like abominations to me. I can't get comfortable with reality being either of the two
Nihilism logically follows by deductive necessity from atheism as Dostoevsky and Sartre observed. The only escape from it is in theism or irrationalism and if you think those are the same thing then there is no escape from it at all.
Okay thank you for portraying nihilism as it was properly written.
Ork High Kulture is back!!!
the best series on youtube returns! WAAAAAAAAGGGHHHH da empruh!!
WAAAAAAAGHHH da 'Perium!!!
Nihilism just sounds like extreme depression now.
That was basically the original meaning of the term: Existential angst and despair at failing to find meaning. It describes a genuine human struggle. People then took on the label of being philosophical nihilists, but it’s never been seriously discussed, because the ideas put forth are either not nihilistic or they’re not a coherent philosophy.
It's so close. Nihilism COULD have been a good way to get people to turn away from the materialism eating away at their society and turn towards higher things. Nietzsche even respected ascetic monks for their personally restrained lifestyle.
Weirdly, Chaos doesn't corrupt the concept of Nihilism but practice it into its ORIGINS and PURIFICATION?! Other concepts get corrupted but feeling worthless is HOLY to Chaos.
Its a strawman the religious came up with to pwn atheists. Meaning is something deeply personal and cant just be handed down to you like some ppl seem to think. Trust me nihilism is not something high on my list of things to be corrected for as a nonreligious person. The meaninglessness imposed on me by fundamentalists wackjobs is though.
Meh. Nihilism is usually just a turning point into some other kind of ism. Saw my brother, father, and grandad all do it. To assume meaning cannot be received from a person, especially a parent, sort of gums up the idea of language itself.
This is the most genuinely horrifying thing that I’ve ever heard:
An Ork Warboss feeling genuine empathy for humans.
Truly we are the most cursed species if we make a concept that can heartbreak even an Ork. 😐
Great video Noman. I’m going to go ponder on my existence. Have a good day. 😐
YES! I love Orks Discuss Philosophy!!!!
Orkz discuss Schrodinger's cat!
They will probably find a squig in there if you told enough boys there was one in there no matter what
I wish these videos got more attention, they never fail to get a laugh out of me
orks discuss anarcho-capitalism.
orks discuss antidisestablishmentarianism.
orks discuss pacifism.
the 2nd one might break a teef or two
Zork might just go and find a pacifist to krump just for shits and giggles. I can see him being amused by humies who won't fight back for stupid humie reasons.
@@OpenBiolabsGuy where the hell is he going to find one of those?
LES GOOOOOO WE GET MORE ORK THINKY TIME
After watching this video, I started noticing that a lot of people don't know the difference between Existentialism and Absurdism. They might mention the name "Absurdism" but then describe it using your definition of Existentialism. I think "creating your own meaning" is probably the more popular of the two, because it's easier to live by, but the word "Absurdism" got more famous for whatever reason. Probably because "absurd" is a funnier word, and in part because of the myth of Sisyphus.
I might do a proper comparison between the two.
that was quite a way to explain it. thank you.
Exuberance. Our gentlemen of the Ork persuasion have graced us with their presence once again.
Yeees, i love you man!
An excellent return to Orks discuss, good sir! Yes, yes!
WAAAAAGH DA PERIUM WAAAAAAGH DA EMPRAH!!!
You're back!
Learning more about philosophy from listening to orks, than I ever did taking philosophy at Uni, thank you smartboy finkipantz
I love the gentleman orc trope
Finally, some good food.
The only saving grace of this series's philosophical takes is that it's being written by orks, so then not getting it makes sense.
DA EMPA-
WAAAAAGGGHHH
So Nihilism is a state of being that just cannot be, absurdism and existentialism is really the natural answer to the questions posed by nihilism.
But man adore these videos. Honestly never really looked at what Nihilism meant, just a vague idea of it's context
guessing by that logic, the sons of malice would be the most gitish space marines to those two orks.
now we need them to discuss pacifism
it would be glorious
For those that want to know about a real nihilist, search Mitchell Heisman.
Ya evah wondah wut happenz if we find Da Emprah an e’ krumps all da gitz in da yooniverze. If der ain’t no mo gitz ta krump den ders no more foightin. Den wat we do? We orks iz made for foightin. Wot we do if ders no more foightin on account uv der bein no more gitz!
I consider myself a nihilist. I have no prescriptions as to how you or anyone else should live their life, because there are no moral absolutes or even universally held ideals, and everything we are or care about will be erased by the inexorable erosion of time. Anyway, love the channel. It's a pleasant if occasional distraction from the meaningless agony of existence.
Assuming that your premises are correct: There are no moral absolutes, or universal ideals, and everything eventually will die, why does mean that existence is pointless?
I'd say the opposite breeds much more meaninglessness. If everything is universal and undying and eternal, what's the point of existence? If we don't have a beginning, middle and end, what's the point? If everyone had the same morals and ideals, what would we talk about? What's the point of endless uniformity of belief?
You get one life to live. Make it count. The world is complicated and so are people. Figure it out. We will all die one day. Make it a life worth living.
@@noman8412 I think that's the kicker: there's no point either way. "Meaning" is a feeling. It's subjective, effervescent, illusory. It's conscious beings arbitrarily drawing constellations in the thoughtless stars. There is no hunter, no scorpion, no centaur. The same would be true with or without those stars, or even were there more that even more faithfully approximated those archetypes from our vantage point or any other. Meaning is constructed, and therefore no assigned meaning is preferable to any other. To paraphrase Syndrome, "When everyone's point of view is valid, no one's is."
Except that our perspectives are comprehensible to each other and we can work towards consensus about morality, philosophy, psychology, the human experience and what a fulfilled satisfying life is.
@@noman8412 We can work towards lots of stuff. That doesn't make it achievable. And, when all is said and done, I don't think consensus is achievable. People still seem to genuinely believe that Terra is flat, that it was created less than 10 millennia ago, and that national socialism was/is a worthwhile philosophy. No idea, no matter how demonstrably fallacious or destructive, every seems to die out. On the contrary, former follies we previously thought vanquished seem to periodically make comebacks - like measles.
Things change. Systems certainly become more complex. But there's no consensus on whether that's a positive or a negative. Take the orks, for example. A paradise for both them and for humanity would be mutually exclusive, if paradise is even achievable for a collective as diverse as an entire species.
What does it all mean? I think the question is as categorically inapplicable as asking what color music is.
People who believe flagrantly wrong things are in the minority. Orks aren’t real, so we don’t need to consider their preferences when attempting to create an ideal society for humanity.
Are those your two examples for the pointlessness of existence? Two fantasies almost nobody believes and a fantasy that everyone knows to be fictional?
Humanity isn’t hopeless. Individuals are hopeless, usually by their own choosing.
I got into philosophy and tripping and hate nihilism.
The paradox in struggle with is regardless of how existence isolated put, is uncomfortable.
For example compare the finite to the infinite.
His hard to see meaning in a finite existence, and also hard to see meaning in an eternal existence.
To exist for eternity or to cease to exist, both feel like abominations to me.
I can't get comfortable with reality being either of the two
Get comfortable with reality as it is. It’s what you have.
Anyone else think think these two are opposite sides of a brain?
Not even Nurgle worshipers are Nihilists. Gross things matter
Nihilism logically follows by deductive necessity from atheism as Dostoevsky and Sartre observed. The only escape from it is in theism or irrationalism and if you think those are the same thing then there is no escape from it at all.
i ate god
About time God dammit.