SEIKO Lost Their Way? Looking at the SSK001, the Future of Seiko and the Affordable Automatic GMT
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- SEIKO Lost Their Way? Looking at the SSK001, the Future of Seiko and the Affordable Automatic GMT
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EXACTLY! Seiko is far too big and successful to need to listen to their fanbase. Seiko's market share of casual department store non-collector buyers is so huge that even if every true fan and collector suddenly stopped buying, they would barely notice. We as collectors and fans make up such an incredibly small fraction of their worldwide sales it doesn't make sense for them to even bother to listen to us.
I wish people in the fragrance space online would get this as well.
seiko is trash
@@zillsburyy1 wow. Such an insightful contribution to the conversation. When Seiko reads this I'm sure they'll immediately get to work fixing your perception.
@@DarthPlaya u are right, seiko really gives a dick about you im sure
True. However, the fans/collectors are the easiest way to improve your product or at least to find out what can be done to do so. Because as everybody knows -people who are paid to do that in corporations are next to useless. Not that it is a great mystery.
The problem with Seiko is, if at that price they give you sapphire crystal, a lumed bezel, a milled clasp and 200m of water resistance, the watch is going to get a little too close to what they have on top high-end, and it will be even more difficult to justify a premium price for these watches...
I think that is it,too.
I said this years ago. As soon as Seiko adds saphire, solid end links, nice bracelet etc, the price goes through the roof, and the watch isn't even "made in Japan". At those prices I rather get a "Swiss Made" watch.
Cope. This is why I respect seiko and more likely to buy their higher end instead of same rolex for $20,000 how fucking stupid, there are some Chinese fakes that are higher quality lol.
The problem with Seiko is that all the negative things you pointed out are absolutely true, but despite that their watches are still so much better looking than most of the microbrands and Citizen watches that are beating them on the spec sheets. Seiko Just know how to make great looking watches, that despite all their issues still makes me want to own them. As a long time Seiko fan I wish they could get their shit together.
Honestly, the specs are fine. 100M WR is plenty. Hardlex vs Sapphire? Whatever. Pressed clasp? It’s not going to fall off of your wrist as evidenced by vintage and neo-vintage Rolex. Caller vs Flyer GMT? Meh. It shows a 2nd timezone. If you want one that’s aligned, go to an AD to try one on.
The bottom line is if you like the design and fit. It’s priced low enough that you could buy it for that reason alone.
Personally, I don’t need a GMT that looks like a dive watch. What are you checking another timezone at 200 meters? Let’s see some new designs that reflect the actual use case of a GMT.
Well it is only rated at 100 m so I hope nobody is diving with it 😁
Today you used the same music into as Dave's Just the Watch channel lol
I had to make sure what channel I was in
Thought I was the only one scratching my head at that lol
I thought his in kind of Collab of that dude lol
I have the orange one and changed the clasp for a namoki milled. Mine has no misalignment issues or tiny hairs😊. I also like that it's a Seiko and not a microbrand so I'm 😊
You nailed it. I've loved Seiko since the early 70's, but no sapphire crystal, no screw down crown, and a pressed clasp for 500 bucks? Not a chance!
Still think this is a bargain at $475. Sapphire and milled clasp aren't everything. The aesthetics and looks of this watch are amazing. Gets lots of compliments. Plus, having an original design and an in-house watch on the wrist is something the homage companies will never have.
Street price these days is around $380. It's a bargain at this price!
300$. 🤯🥳
Totally agree, just wish it had screw down crown tho
Can you swim with this Watch?
@@gs4854 no 100m water reistance means you can only get your hair damp not soaked. And do not sweat with these 100m seikos either unless you can afford to replace the watch every time.
I thought I was in a different channel because of the opening music 🙄
I just bought the orange 🍊 version of this watch ⌚ and far as I'm concerned and my opinion only, there's not a darn thing wrong with this watch for what it's meant to be and it can be had at fair price. Like someone said earlier in the reply. "If you don't like it buy something else."
Yup. Just buy what to you like and otherwise don't. I get why these points get raised but why is there a need to complain all the time.
I just received my SSK001 and could not be happier with it, though I must say that I did not pay retail price for it. Is it will worth close to $500? I think so, but I'm not gonna say no to a lower price haha.
Mean while my solar quarts citizen:
- titanium construction
- jump hour gmt function
- no alignment/ QC issue
- less than $500
The intro music made me think I was watching Just The Watch
I thought this was a Just the Watch video for a second there with the music
Can’t decide if black or blue. Black is elegant and goes with everything you wear but the blue is astounding.
Agreed Chris. I own the Mikan orange, “Made in Japan” printed at 6, no issues luckily, and really comfortable bracelet case combo for my wrist, haven’t found another orange reference in that price range that comes close, got an 001 from same dealer, “Mvmt Japan” printed on dial, and had QC issues, returned it and tried again from same dealer asking for the made in Japan version, and got it with no issues. The QC issues are disappointing and even for a Seiko fan, is a big detractor having to wonder I your watch is going to be a good one or not. The lume on these are really good, so good it makes you notice that a lumed bezel would have made up a bit for the pressed clasp and lack of crystal. My Mikan is amazingly accurate. Thank you for all your great content, your genuine love of watches is infectious, I have purchased a few watches from you on whatnot.
People continue to misunderstand in the watch community that a microbrand can never compete with a big name quality watchmaker. Microbrands sell their products typically for less money or with seemingly “improved” features yet they don’t have the volume purchasing that establish brands have. Although it may be the same movement inside the watch many parameters have been cut in quality and performance and durability to accommodate. It’s simple arithmetic and there is no exclusion.
You are right. Either microbrands watches are not polished the right way or missing proper lubrication or not being water resistant despite of high theoretical specs (see 'I like watches' channel fore some tests).
Agree. When I see 200M WR in a Seiko, I completely trust that number. I see 1000WR and immediately 🤔.
Liked your correct assessment about this watch. A Brave move. Among the micro brands, What do you recommend in order, that are using NH34 and miyota traveler gmt movement?
That is the problem isn't it. Other brands taking Seiko movements and making better watches at a cheaper price. I guess at the moment, that isn't a problem for Seiko. Not enough people know about these other brands or if they do, they still prefer to buy from Seiko. All I know is, my days of buying a Seiko are pretty much long gone.
Hi Chris. Can u share the links to the store that sells the 16mm strap. Thanks
What's the GMT hand for, and where do you set it?
I have the blue-ish version ($365) and like it a lot. Swapped the bracelet for a $30 leather strap. I call it my beater GMT. Plus the lume is unmatched.
Now 300 shipped, might need all 3
Thank so much for that video. Very informative. I saw this watch the beginning of this year 2023 and finally got it on eBay for less than $300 witch I’m glad you mentioned on your video. I can see exactly what you talk about your comments and let me tell you you are 100% right. It’s a nice looking watch and that’s how I categorized. Thank you so much for your review!
didn't realise I was watching a @justthewatch video
Noticed 😂😂😂
Hahah I knew this music sounded very familiar... It's part of the YT library... Sorry @justthewatch I won't use it again
I noticed you have a Bulova desk clock in the background, a replica of the Accutrons used in the control panels of Apollo spacecraft and come with select 43mm Lunar Pilots (saw one from a watch store's video here on YT). Lucky guy! 👍
I've been tempted by this watch, it can be found for $375 new. But I keep finding similar looking orange dials I like just as much with better specs. I am glad I haven't dropped any money on this Seiko. I agree with Chris and keep looking.
I am really enjoying my black version. It's +5 seconds per day. I agree with the clasp, crystal and crown. I would also like a click bezel. Got mine lightly used for $350.
What other orange dials you like. Only one I have found that the specs are decent and the Watch isn't wildly thick is the Dan Henry Skin divers.
@@therustybezel7130 The Direnzo is my current fav.
@@TheBigWrist wow, just checked them out ! Never heard of that brand!! Those are amazing! Thanks for the tip
I agree, great value around or under $300. Picked mine up for $298 including tax and am very happy with it. No QC issues.
Where did you buy it ?
Seiko's QC issues are SO frustrating. While I don't think they need 200m WR, I'd love to see a "King" version with sapphire and 200m WR. I don't think we'll see that due to market segmentation with the Seiko 5 line though. One thing I think some of those other competitors at the price are lacking is the X-factor. That classic design and the really cool bezel on these just look SO good. Brands like the Jack Mason with their Strat-o-timer GMT uses the 9075 mentioned and have looks and the specs, but they are literally double the retail price. I concur that they are not worth $475. Heck, I paid $434 for my King Turtle on a Father's Day sale and that's about right for that watch. It's a great watch, but not at the MSRP. The Traska Venturer also has the 9075 for a closer $695 with amazing specs, but that's still a large leap in price, especially since they're easy to get new for ~$350. While an excellent design in its own right, I don't think that watch has quite the X-factor of the Seiko. Both alternates mentioned are excellent in the
As I am getting older I do enjoy the cyclospe that I don't find on mico brands .
any list of micro brands & prices using the same movement?
The reason microbrands can give you the same movement and upgrades elsewhere at the same price is because they aren’t putting the same money into research and development, distribution or marketing. Just buy the movement Seiko developed and sell their watch direct to consumers on their website. These also don’t cost $500 anymore as you acknowledge later in the video. Too many people jump all over hyped watches when they come out, pay MSRP or over for it, then complain they didn’t get their money’s worth. I got mine new for $325 just by being patient, a price point where the downsides are justifiable. Can’t justify the QC issues, just lucky not to have had them.
Chris, you nailed IMO. So many missteps, such small things, but it opens them up for a knockout from so many competitors, if they’re ready.
I just bought an NH34 and all aftermarket parts, and built this watch in a screwdown crown case, sapphire crystal, and quality bracelet for $150. Alli Express is awesome if you can assemble a watch.
Using that logic you could dismiss every seiko using a 4r35/36 movement too
or every seiko with misaligned bezel (been happening forever)
Would love to see a video from you about the top 3 using each movemenbt that beat this watch in specs and design/aesthetic.
Thanks
I went in to get the 4th gen monster and a pumpkin gmt. Here we only get the Malaysian ones. The monster was fine but the gmt had qc issues, Just didnt align. I got the monster but i had to sleep on the gmt. After thinking ill get it sorted myself it was sold out! I got the king samurai black series and i dont feel like i missed out on anything. Micro brands kick ass and im thinking to get an aerotec gmt. I love Seiko but sometimes we as consumers don't understand them. At some point even their most loyal customers will jump ship.
Anyways thank you for the video, as always you rock my man!
Citizen’s 9000 series in a promaster with sapphire glass, that’s the dream
The retail price was dropped, I brought the SSK003 5 months ago in Hong Kong is approximate US350.
The microbrands are good for the lume, but they have no service center in Hong Kong, that is a problem.
I'm not as jazzed about GMTs as it seems everyone else is. BUT, if Citizen released a version of their new titanium Barnacle with the new Miyota GMT (and a knurled or coin edge Pepsi bezel) I'd be all over that like a duck on a June bug!
Totally agree, the Miyota 9075 traveler's GMT is far superior IMO to the NH34. I'm just waiting for a good microbrand that I like to use it then I'll get my GMT.
I have a Bulova GMT with a 9075 action and like it a lot. My only gripe is that it runs faster than I like, but I’ll take it to my local watch shop and get it adjusted. At the price I think Bulova should have at least adjusted if not regulated it. That and the lack of a sapphire crystal.
@@Nefville I do have a gripe about Chris’ presentation. He teased us by saying there were better buys that are superior to the Seiko, but he didn’t even mention them or link to another video for a review of them.
@@richardbriscoe8563 I agree I just assumed maybe he was going to review them later? I'll be honest I haven't been following new watches closely enough to know who is using the 9075 so that would have been helpful.
@@richardbriscoe8563 Micro brands mostly at this price level or below. If you just searched NH34 microbrands I'm sure you'd find something.
The usual culprits I believe. Borealis, Phoebus?, maybe Zelos?
The GMTs I'd recommend right now? Jack Mason and Islander watches has a killer buy on a GMT with a Selita (I believe).
Saying seiko has lost its way based on how this watch compares to pending microbrand offerings seems nit picky to me. It’s a fine watch for the money. Seiko doesn’t compete with microbrands, which are outside the scope of non-enthusiasts.
I left Seiko in the dust years ago. I love some of Seiko’s designs but cheap inaccurate movements and poor quality led me to some great micro brands. No hate on Seiko-it’s just not for me 😎!
i feel they used to have the same quality at the right price, prices are just way high after the pandemic, I used to buy one every now and then but they are now priced the same as entry level swiss eta 2824 territory from swiss brands
lets all together drop seiko and rolex
Completely agree with you Chris. May love hate relationship with Seiko lasts for several years now. But we come back again and again because it 's a Seiko...
In the future, a switch from a Citizen GMT to a micro brand that uses the Miyota GMT will be easier to make for me...
You wear a spec or a watch on your wrist? I don't like microbrands, because most of them only hommage-ing (faking..) other watches. Seiko's price including an AD where you can see the watch on your wrist ad a warranty, if you have a problem with your watch, just go to your AD and he/she can repair your watch under warranty for free. It costs many for you when you buying anything. And the last thing: reselling. If you would like (or have) to resell a watch, you easily can sell a Seiko and give back the biggest part of the price. And there are many Seiko for a good price in mint condition with warranty from second hand. Choose them, and the price/watch ratio will be even better.
All valid points, but nobody does dials like Seiko. That is their main weapon. If you love dials you will gravitate to Seiko even if the specs aren't competitive with micro-brands.
Which micro brand gmt beats the Seiko gmt
I like the SSK but mine has been back to Seiko for a frozen bezel twice. If I were to replace it it would probably be the Mido "true" GMT.
If you spend the majority of the video telling us there are better micro brand alternatives out there with the same Seiko movement at a better price point then it would be nice if you'd show us a few of your favorites as well.
No wonder homage watches are so popular. They’ll fit that movement into a watch that has a sapphire crystal, screw down crown (signed). Milled clasp, click bi directional bezel and probably 200 metres of water resistance for half the price. That said Seiko do design fantastic looking watches and this is certainly a looker. It’s just they cut corners with the fundamentals and QC issues. Imagine if they made the watch with the above.
Exactly
It's funny when UA-camrs talking about huge companies that they have lost their way!
I have seen a small piece of lint from clothing on a seiko turtle second hand
I have some really good Seiko's in my collection. Bought a seiko SSK001 from my local dealer. On examining the watch at home I noticed the GMT hand was out of sync with the normal hands. It was a quarter of an hour out of sync. Exchanged it with the blue version which lost time.
Seiko's QC is poor and unacceptable at the price point. There is too much cheaper better competition. Seiko need to get their act together.
I bought the orange 🍊 one, put it on my Timegrapher and sent it back. It had an unusually high beat error and was very inaccurate. Meanwhile I bought a Pagani Design Explorer homage just for fun and it is running plus or minus 2 seconds on my Timegrapher. I hardly ever wear a GMT. My daily driver is an Omega Seamaster 300. If I get a watch with this movement it will be the Phoibos Voyager with saphire crystal and bidirectional ceramic bezel for around $400
I have quite a few Seiko, and I have some micro brands and they each have their virtues. The micros can sometimes outcompete comparable Seikos on specs, but then again who knows if the brand will even be around in 5 years. Seiko has a long history and is not going anywhere. But even if it did, people will still recognize Seiko 20 years from now. And finally, they are modable (more so than almost any other brand) so there is that.
While the Seiko is no spec monster for the price, its designs are attractive and highly recognizable. Sure you can get a knockoff for a little less, maybe, but then you are walking around wearing a Chinese made knockoff. Where is the pride of ownership in that?
As for the SSK, I like it. I might be a customer when they start getting discounted just as I was with the SRPE, which I got for about 50% off retail. At around $150 I think that is a fantastic every day watch that looks way more expensive than the price I paid for it.
I fully anticipate the SSK will drop in price over time. Willing to bet new ones will be selling for $300 and used ones will be selling for around $200 by next year. And when that happens, I might be a customer. Or maybe I will wait for Seiko to introduce a Prospex version of this watch, though again, that will probably debut for much more money, and again, it will take a couple of years for the prices to come down.
I totally agree with you
Pressed clasp? Embarrassing execution. I’ll keep wearing my Skx 007. Citizen barnacle super titanium is gonna get my money next.
For a second, I thought I was watching Just The Watch because of the intro music. Ha!
I probably have to agree with all your points and acknowledge as much as I love the design and am a huge fan Seiko & gmt’s, I’ve yet to buy one…but neither have I been that enthralled by the micro brand comp yet…they haven’t really picked up the ball yet
The micro brands, Moore often than not, are out of stock and seem to make little effort to increase production capacity. Most of them us $25 actions that while not “bad” could easily include options for upgraded actions. (Think Selita SW 200. They’re worth the extra $$.)
I’ve all but given up on micro brands because of the stocking issues.
I’m soo happy I waited instead of rushing to buy this watch.. it was the bracelet, hardlex crystal, and Qc problems that made me say I’m good on it.. Seiko is weak af for not giving us more for $500
Seiko have probably figured out they can have their cake and eat it - Seikopaths (I am slowly turning into one) will still buy it, QC issues and all, and the speed at which they made the movement available suggests they expect to make a ton of cash from third parties sales.
A bit harsh on the no lume on the bezel. The Rolex GMT Pepsi for $20k plus doesn't either.
It's not just Seiko, alot of brands are putting out watches that either cut corners or is cheaper in manufacturing or just something we reguard as overpriced garbage. It's the times we live in where the voice of the consumer is not taken into consideration.
Name 3 companies
@@ScoobieDoobie197474 Seiko. Tag Heuer, Oris. Watch Teddy Baldassarre's video from 4 months ago about how watch brand cut corners. Or just Google it.
Volkswagen and their new Golf for instance.
When the Seikos from the 70s look better and better than current ones...yes they have lost their way.
This the Just The Watch song 😂
Ikr 🤣
This is a very good looking watch. Its just missing specs that would be generic anyplace else.
5:16 the problem isn't the movement; the movement's great. The problem's much more the rest of your point. It's that Seiko used poorer materials and asked $500 for the watch. Had they just used sapphire over hardlex, there'd be many fewer complaints (that, and their many alignment issues are really inexcusable). I own seikos that cost around the same and less than this that have sapphire crystals. Either way, the watch does look great, and I still believe they made this more as a showcase (and selling piece) for their gmt movement than anything else.
$500 isn't the real price. You can get a discount on a new Seiko any day of the week.
Why won’t Seiko address the QC issues? Probably for the same reason they don’t address terrible customer service and sloppy, horrendous work at Seiko Service Center in Mahwah NJ.
I heard the intro music and thought I accidentally clicked on Just The Watch.
Seiko released king versions of the turtle and samurai however it's always baffled me why we didn't get a king skx ?
Almost all Seikos at this price range are the same. The quality is still good though and they look fantastic!
Yes, my SSK001 is misaligned it is my only GMT... but still enjoy it. got it new at EUR359 in spain, with a very good buying experience at a local jewler.
Totally agree, and its not just the GMT. For the same money there are countless micros that beat Seiko spec. wise hands down. FFS even Pagani's come with sapphire.......
Agree that the price point is wrong for this model. But since the discontinuing of SKX, new 5KX pricing is wrong too. So Seiko in a way is giving up its value-for-$ segment since then.
I got a new Orange dial version for £275 in the UK. Looks great, a bargain at that price.
I think Seiko's Hardlex is basically the same as K-1 mineral.
I simply fail to understand why Seiko can't get their act together. My Tissot does not suffer from QC issues, nor does my £15 plastic Casio.
Micro brands may offer better specs than lower end Seiko, but I've had more quality control issues with micro brands over the years than I have Seiko. By far. A Direnzo watch that came to me with very little lume applied. I couldn't even open or close the clasp on the last Zelos watch I bought. Crown issues on a Swiss Watch Company piece. If a slightly misaligned bezel is my biggest issue with a Seiko, I'll be okay.
The point is, a company like Seiko shouldn’t have these issues
@@ScoobieDoobie197474 every brand that mass produces large amounts of watches has QC issues. It's not exclusive to Seiko. Omega has them. Rolex has them. Microbrands definitely have them too.
hate to break it to you but the one oclock marker is off, it's not too bad though
You said it perfectly…Microbrands are now using the Miyota 9000 series high-beat GMT movement. Why would I buy this Seiko, A bastardized SKS, When I can get a Highbeat movement, Sapphire crystal, Better bracelet/milled clasp, With better water resistance???
Its the looks i guess.
I remember when videos came out talking about this watch before it was even available for sale.
One of the first responses I made was that for this to be successful for Seiko, they'd need to have their watches on the market for a year prior to making the movement available to the aftermarket.
Otherwise, it would be a flop for Seiko.
I hate being right about stuff like this 😒
And miyota released their gmt movement which is better and can now be found in watches not much more expensive
@@mariog7213 A thinner movement allowing for a thinner case as well, correct?
I have to agree with you that Seiko is making it too easy for microbrands to compete with them. Maybe they are seeing competition from cheap Chinese movements so they think they might as well make some money selling the NH34? Just my speculation. I'm actually looking at the SSK as the base for a mod since some NH35 parts are compatible.
cheap seiko auto gmt will flooding watch market ... will it became similar situation as quartz crisis for swiss brand?
Great job calling out their horrible QC
I can't get a seiko for the price I want to pay.
Micro branding is the best performance for your dollar.
Its interesting to see how things happen this year.
Hopefully they will see what watch people like.
I never look at seikos line-up.
They have the best design watches yes but I would buy a san martin or cronos before.
I'm glad the movements are good.
It’s getting more and more popular to dog on Seiko recently huh… interesting…
I would buy this right now if were a true GMT...
The QC issues have kept me from buying a Seiko.
Sapphire dont scratch easily thats true but it shatter on impact under water cause by a strong current. thats why Seiko develop the HARDLEX it can scratch but its more resistant from shattering thats why some dive watch has it some dont. Its a feature of Seiko offer and its made inn house. So in land sapphire is more applicable but dont be so sure on tough activities like accidentally bang your watch when it comes to that realm its HARDLEX remember you can still use a watch that has scratch but a shattered it depends under water dead outdoor may for a while
Everyone constantly moans about Seiko. For crying out loud no-one is holding a gun to anyone's head. Just buy something else and stop whining. Simple
What do you buy that is similar and not micros? That's the issue
@@ungabungus01
Exactly my point. Also micro brands aren't necessarily much cheaper.
That’s no fun
@@pokie6087 All the micros have better specs, And arguably better materials across the board. Now that the Miyota 9000 series GMT movement is out you can get a better/Highbeat movement as well.
@@johnbuckmaster569
OK so why are you here on Seiko video's. You clearly despise them so spend your money elsewhere and stop whining like a baby
It's underwhelming to me. For the money I would get a Steinhart GMT. I know homage bad but it's hard to argue the specs for the price.
acrylic is so much better that hardlex or class, it is polishable
Let's face it; Seiko lost their way & alienated a vast number of fans, enthusiasts, etc when they took one of the most beloved watch case designs and bastardized it as the new Fa-KX lowering its spec's while increasing the price.
There's no coming back from this unless the SKX is reincarnated utilizing all the necessary upgrades.
Those Seiko QC issues is how you know your getting the genuine article. if the chapter ring aligns ...either you got a good one or its a fake. 50/50
I'm joking but the fact it makes you think is not funny. Oh Seiko ...
I can tell you hardlex is better than mineral glass , I have a orient mako 2 and a Seiko 5 srpd55 5kx and I wear them both to work I'm a electrician, my orient glass is scratched and my Seiko glass is flawless still , and I've been wearing them for over a year alternating between them everyday ... So I can say for a fact hardlex is better , that's with real world testing and not just scratching the shit out of it with those mohs picks
Over course it’s better. The point is, the watch should have a sapphire Crystal which is better than Hardlex
Name matters! I Just got a Seiko King Samurai Dark Manta. Simply beautiful. Of course there was some misalignment 🤦♂️, but for what I paid it is still a lot of watch for the $, and with a name with a lot of pedigree.
For what you paid there is zero excuse for misalignment issues
@@ScoobieDoobie197474 You maybe right. I don't know why I cut Seiko some slack. I am very picky with those things. Thanks for replying back.
You say it's well made, but is it? No sapphire, no milled clasp, qc issues, lousy fitment where the bracelet meets the case, no lume on the insert etc. Especially when the likes of Long Island Watch has quite a few divers with all the bells and whistles for less money. You just gotta be quick before he sells out!
The Miyota 9075 will always be more expensive and has a huge issue, the annoying uni-directional automatic winding.
strange how few people mention the unidirectional winding of earlier Rolexes , Valjoux's etc . Citizen produce the only affordable high beat true gmt , iv'e never had an issue with this " huge issue, the annoying uni-directional automatic winding" you speak of , i think its somewhat overplayed by oversensitive people personally .
I might be sensitive then 😅. I don’t like when it spins freely in my wrist.
@@3jjram I agree. I wont buy Miyotas because of the rotor.
There's a reason why people buy iphones even though they are more expensive and do not have the highest specs for the price. I would think this translates to Seiko as well. No manufacturer is going to give you their top shelf parts for a lower shelf price.
When I received my San Martin 62 mass on a bracelet for 200 dollars; the quality difference between that and everything Seiko made under 600 dollars (except for the Sarbs) was massive. I understood that the watch game is one big fraud.
I never looked back at Seiko. I keep the ones I have because of the memories I made with them.
I think Seiko deserves a price premium over micro brands.