Going back to the past isn't going to solve a problem of being "behind". If sticking to tradition is your priority, why care about being "ahead" or "behind"? If being "ahead" is your priority, then you need to change and adapt. You can't have it both ways.
It’s not just the West. It’s virtually every region. In Asia and South America. There is not a single Muslim that is on par with Argentina for example. Even in Asia, compare Indian Hindus to Pakistanis or even internal Indian Muslims. Hindus are far more ahead of Muslims in every field. The main problem is the anti-science and anti-rationalist views and beliefs of the Muslim Sunni clergy. Iran is Shia but significantly scientifically advanced and remains quite rationalist in aspects of theology. The backwardness has roots 300 - 500 years ago when Europe was coming out the dark ages into the Enlightenment age. The Imams have do not want to confront this but want to actively take Muslims back to the 7th Century and don’t understand the implications of theocracy in this complex highly technically advanced countries. Yet these very people will use the fruits and labour of the rational scientific world be it medicine or technology and even vote with thier feet and come to the West whilst simultaneously disparaging everything about Europe and the West. The radical anti-modernist are the loudest and most active ones and usually the only ones that are heard while rational and modern minded Muslims are no where to be heard. The rest are just silent followers. The anti-modernist starts preaching their anti-modernist ideology at the beginning of the 20th century in nearly every Sunni Muslim country and till now there has been no proper response.
@AhmedUA-cam1 I agree, and here is my response to the author of the video: Are you crazy? Muslims lost their "originality"?? It's the opposite actually, Muslims have been cemented and stuck in what is their "originality", this originality which is the Sunnah that developed and crystallised in flagrant and brash opposition to the cosmopolitan, knowledge-oriented imperial world of the post-Umayyad period. The true Islamic originality is to set the faithful apart from as many as influences as possible of those arrogant, gross heathens (whether they be industrious Christians, those long-lost clever, hyper-creative pagan Greeks, and those hard-nosed speculation-prone Persians, and of course Hindus which in character and flavour are a union of the first two). Islam is a civilisation of law and normative compounding. And Muslims sadly think that religion and faith are about being on the side of jurists (their oh-so precious scholars), and not on the side of non-juristic scholars (non-juristic scholars meaning scholars in just about every creative and investigative endeavour of human life).
I guess you missed the story of that couple that travelled all over the world including Muslim countries like Afghanistan but the woman was graped by 7 hindus in india.
You are fully right. But it is very difficult to change these distorted problems. First it is education and second point Muslim should have good knowledge of history, philosophy (acquiring sound logic), science in all fields. It is very hard to change the mind set if we are not open mind and ready to learn and progress in understanding. And able to challenge some bad decisions and what is best for all mankind globally.
As a Maltese, I am pretty much at the border between the Western christian World and the North African Muslim world, and the biggest problem I see in the Muslim world is Islam itself. Of course, I'm not saying Islam is a bad thing (I'm even thinking about converting), but religion is to much present in the politic life in many of those country, and to me it's like a break, because if you have to think if any political move you do as a leader is going to upset the clergy and more rigorist part of the population who dream to live like a 7 century arab nomad, well you end up with a society late on the rest of the world. As the video bring it up, you also have a lack of social equality. Finally, the tribal mentality that you can still find in many Middle East country, it's also a huge break because you have no real national idea, and it looks like people will accept changes only if it goes in their tribe way and if they gain something (just look and the war between Arabia and Yemen. Arabia would have lost the war if the US didn't come to help them because a good part of the Arabian army didn't want to follow orders from superiors from other family or tribe, you can't build a serious political power if the population doesn't follow the head of state). I really hope the Arab and Muslim world will evolve in the good way, more secularism and a more equal society is the way and it will 100% bring peace and prosperity to many people in that part of the world. And I think that Europe is a good exemple on how you can evolve and still keep your religious and cultural roots. Peace be upon you all friends.
The same europe that has endless wars, exploits Africa, Asia, Latin America...that forces their lgbqrstuv...trans agenda on our offspring, that is Islaamophobic, sa+anic, godless,, has gay marriage, brothels, casinos, alcoholism, drug abuse, mercenaries, works for israel and ukraine..?
I didn't watch the video but its easy, 1- banks cant have interest (ربى) 2- companies aren't focused on and given more push its not about copying or anything like that, infact copying is the first step of learning
Islam was at the forefront of Science, until we lost it all at Baghdad. However the basic premise of Islam has been Humanity. Today we don't see the great work that Islam does for the Western world. The problems that the West have are depression and unhappiness. They will try to solve this with drugs, alcohol, depravity and this only makes it worse. Islam gives you the peace of mind that is hard to quantify as there is no proper research being done.
I believe that your views on the matter are only very basic insights and you had some ideas I don't agree much with, history can explain very well why Europe became the leader of the world starting from the age of discoveries. The idea for the Muslim countries to become more Muslim rather than following in the footsteps of the west in search of a better result at this current time is just simply bad statement. Sure, originality is important, especially if your goal is to overpass (the west), but making a category of the type of technological advancements the west makes and arguing Muslims should have their own is a clear bad move. A very important factor which I think is very commonly overlooked is the higher appearance of women in all the industries of a society. There are statistics which can prove a clear causation of economic prosperity by the rising of employment of more people, more women. A society practically allowing only one half to take up the burdens and building of a society is a very bad handicap. (I know I'm over exaggerating with my last statement, but a fix to this, a modification of the islamic rules (if you are fond of, which yes you are and the musilim world is too) would certainly only improve in the goal you are trying to achieve. I'm butchering my sentences a little but I would gladly talk to you.
@chickendetective3270 You're not exaggerating in the case of Indian Muslims. Indian Muslim men (the overwhelming majority of them) believe should women do NOTHING outside the home.
Thanks for your comment. Yes, I don't claim to be an expert on this complex matter. Those were just my opinions. Some flawed, perhaps! The problem is we simply cannot modify islamic rules. Islam is what it is. Technically speaking. Of course, realistically you could and there's many muslim countries that do. I appreciate your criticism though. Thank you!
Higher participation of women in the workforce is good in the short run because it increases the workforce, but it seems to be at least correlated with population decline, so societies should consider that when thinking about how much they want their women to be like men.
Women in the workforce has been around since the turn of the 20th century, and a majority of women were working outside of the home (full-time) during both world wars and in the inter-war period. Fertility rates did not decline, and post-WW2 fertility rates soared both in America and Western Europe. The fertility rate was sky high. Fertility rates start to drop dramatically in the 80s. This is because of having seeing the results half a generation in of social liberalism (which includes the sexual revolution) and contraception and, further, cost of living is spiking up more and more. It is not women in the workforce that leads to declines in the birth rates. Economists say that a a contemporary solution to increasing birth rates is actually bringing more women into the workforce to lessen economic insecurity. This is exactly what Italy wants to do: make more women work (in stable full-time positions) so they can start families sooner.@@goblinsdammit
The problem is forcing people to read the Koran in Arabic. Christians read the bible in their language and sing from hymn books even in the most remote African village. This promotes literacy. Muslims are also extremely rigid and resistant to change. You will not become a creative inventor in such an environment.
Brotherhood, mutual respect, taking care of each other is far more important than so called technological selfish development of own and spiteful destruction of others. It eventually comes back to hunt down itself. That's how we are seeing progressive decadence of Western society. Western civilization is nothing short of self glorifying selfish and individualistic society. And the muslims who are western educated think in the same pr similar way as the western people.
@DavidBlacksmith-gf2mh There's a chunk of Muslims in India too (not just the West, where Muslims can be and are radically different in thinking from quote-unquote "the rest of Muslims"), and Indian Muslims (by Indian, I mean Indian subcontinent) have the philosophies, religions, and arts of Indian civilisation that inform every aspect of their values and aesthetics and beliefs. There is no such thing as one stew that Muslims can be a part of. The Sunni orthodoxy has been trying for ages, and their efforts and fantasies have never materialised.
Going back to the past isn't going to solve a problem of being "behind". If sticking to tradition is your priority, why care about being "ahead" or "behind"? If being "ahead" is your priority, then you need to change and adapt. You can't have it both ways.
It’s not just the West. It’s virtually every region. In Asia and South America.
There is not a single Muslim that is on par with Argentina for example.
Even in Asia, compare Indian Hindus to Pakistanis or even internal Indian Muslims. Hindus are far more ahead of Muslims in every field.
The main problem is the anti-science and anti-rationalist views and beliefs of the Muslim Sunni clergy.
Iran is Shia but significantly scientifically advanced and remains quite rationalist in aspects of theology.
The backwardness has roots 300 - 500 years ago when Europe was coming out the dark ages into the Enlightenment age.
The Imams have do not want to confront this but want to actively take Muslims back to the 7th Century and don’t understand the implications of theocracy in this complex highly technically advanced countries.
Yet these very people will use the fruits and labour of the rational scientific world be it medicine or technology and even vote with thier feet and come to the West whilst simultaneously disparaging everything about Europe and the West.
The radical anti-modernist are the loudest and most active ones and usually the only ones that are heard while rational and modern minded Muslims are no where to be heard. The rest are just silent followers. The anti-modernist starts preaching their anti-modernist ideology at the beginning of the 20th century in nearly every Sunni Muslim country and till now there has been no proper response.
@AhmedUA-cam1
I agree, and here is my response to the author of the video:
Are you crazy? Muslims lost their "originality"?? It's the opposite actually, Muslims have been cemented and stuck in what is their "originality", this originality which is the Sunnah that developed and crystallised in flagrant and brash opposition to the cosmopolitan, knowledge-oriented imperial world of the post-Umayyad period. The true Islamic originality is to set the faithful apart from as many as influences as possible of those arrogant, gross heathens (whether they be industrious Christians, those long-lost clever, hyper-creative pagan Greeks, and those hard-nosed speculation-prone Persians, and of course Hindus which in character and flavour are a union of the first two). Islam is a civilisation of law and normative compounding. And Muslims sadly think that religion and faith are about being on the side of jurists (their oh-so precious scholars), and not on the side of non-juristic scholars (non-juristic scholars meaning scholars in just about every creative and investigative endeavour of human life).
@AhmedUA-cam1
India is just getting ready to send its first mission of astronauts to space. It will the 4th player to do so, after US, Russia China.
Very well said! Couldn't have put it any better. 👏
I guess you missed the story of that couple that travelled all over the world including Muslim countries like Afghanistan but the woman was graped by 7 hindus in india.
Yet the people are hungry and defecate in the streets and rivers. @@paulthomas281
Interesting, i am just a student to learn here. Good video. We need more people to address these issue with action taking point of view. 🙂❤
You are fully right. But it is very difficult to change these distorted problems. First it is education and second point Muslim should have good knowledge of history, philosophy (acquiring sound logic), science in all fields.
It is very hard to change the mind set if we are not open mind and ready to learn and progress in understanding. And able to challenge some bad decisions and what is best for all mankind globally.
Indeed! It's very hard to change someone's mind. Thanks for your comment!
As a Maltese, I am pretty much at the border between the Western christian World and the North African Muslim world, and the biggest problem I see in the Muslim world is Islam itself.
Of course, I'm not saying Islam is a bad thing (I'm even thinking about converting), but religion is to much present in the politic life in many of those country, and to me it's like a break, because if you have to think if any political move you do as a leader is going to upset the clergy and more rigorist part of the population who dream to live like a 7 century arab nomad, well you end up with a society late on the rest of the world. As the video bring it up, you also have a lack of social equality. Finally, the tribal mentality that you can still find in many Middle East country, it's also a huge break because you have no real national idea, and it looks like people will accept changes only if it goes in their tribe way and if they gain something (just look and the war between Arabia and Yemen. Arabia would have lost the war if the US didn't come to help them because a good part of the Arabian army didn't want to follow orders from superiors from other family or tribe, you can't build a serious political power if the population doesn't follow the head of state).
I really hope the Arab and Muslim world will evolve in the good way, more secularism and a more equal society is the way and it will 100% bring peace and prosperity to many people in that part of the world. And I think that Europe is a good exemple on how you can evolve and still keep your religious and cultural roots.
Peace be upon you all friends.
The same europe that has endless wars, exploits Africa, Asia, Latin America...that forces their lgbqrstuv...trans agenda on our offspring, that is Islaamophobic, sa+anic, godless,, has gay marriage, brothels, casinos, alcoholism, drug abuse, mercenaries, works for israel and ukraine..?
I didn't watch the video but its easy,
1- banks cant have interest (ربى)
2- companies aren't focused on and given more push
its not about copying or anything like that, infact copying is the first step of learning
Usury/Riba/interest is a sin, but when you ignore God, this world seems easy to some.
Thank you for sharing!
Agree. Well said we lost our originality and we are good copies of west…and not copying good traditions of west but bad ones.
Islam was at the forefront of Science, until we lost it all at Baghdad. However the basic premise of Islam has been Humanity. Today we don't see the great work that Islam does for the Western world. The problems that the West have are depression and unhappiness. They will try to solve this with drugs, alcohol, depravity and this only makes it worse. Islam gives you the peace of mind that is hard to quantify as there is no proper research being done.
Insha'Allah in Akhira, they will all ask Allah to be returned here as Muslims. Too late.
Interesting points!
I believe that your views on the matter are only very basic insights and you had some ideas I don't agree much with, history can explain very well why Europe became the leader of the world starting from the age of discoveries. The idea for the Muslim countries to become more Muslim rather than following in the footsteps of the west in search of a better result at this current time is just simply bad statement. Sure, originality is important, especially if your goal is to overpass (the west), but making a category of the type of technological advancements the west makes and arguing Muslims should have their own is a clear bad move. A very important factor which I think is very commonly overlooked is the higher appearance of women in all the industries of a society. There are statistics which can prove a clear causation of economic prosperity by the rising of employment of more people, more women. A society practically allowing only one half to take up the burdens and building of a society is a very bad handicap. (I know I'm over exaggerating with my last statement, but a fix to this, a modification of the islamic rules (if you are fond of, which yes you are and the musilim world is too) would certainly only improve in the goal you are trying to achieve. I'm butchering my sentences a little but I would gladly talk to you.
@chickendetective3270
You're not exaggerating in the case of Indian Muslims. Indian Muslim men (the overwhelming majority of them) believe should women do NOTHING outside the home.
Thanks for your comment. Yes, I don't claim to be an expert on this complex matter. Those were just my opinions. Some flawed, perhaps! The problem is we simply cannot modify islamic rules. Islam is what it is. Technically speaking. Of course, realistically you could and there's many muslim countries that do. I appreciate your criticism though. Thank you!
Higher participation of women in the workforce is good in the short run because it increases the workforce, but it seems to be at least correlated with population decline, so societies should consider that when thinking about how much they want their women to be like men.
Women in the workforce has been around since the turn of the 20th century, and a majority of women were working outside of the home (full-time) during both world wars and in the inter-war period. Fertility rates did not decline, and post-WW2 fertility rates soared both in America and Western Europe. The fertility rate was sky high. Fertility rates start to drop dramatically in the 80s. This is because of having seeing the results half a generation in of social liberalism (which includes the sexual revolution) and contraception and, further, cost of living is spiking up more and more. It is not women in the workforce that leads to declines in the birth rates. Economists say that a a contemporary solution to increasing birth rates is actually bringing more women into the workforce to lessen economic insecurity. This is exactly what Italy wants to do: make more women work (in stable full-time positions) so they can start families sooner.@@goblinsdammit
The problem is forcing people to read the Koran in Arabic. Christians read the bible in their language and sing from hymn books even in the most remote African village. This promotes literacy.
Muslims are also extremely rigid and resistant to change. You will not become a creative inventor in such an environment.
Brotherhood, mutual respect, taking care of each other is far more important than so called technological selfish development of own and spiteful destruction of others. It eventually comes back to hunt down itself. That's how we are seeing progressive decadence of Western society. Western civilization is nothing short of self glorifying selfish and individualistic society. And the muslims who are western educated think in the same pr similar way as the western people.
@DavidBlacksmith-gf2mh
There's a chunk of Muslims in India too (not just the West, where Muslims can be and are radically different in thinking from quote-unquote "the rest of Muslims"), and Indian Muslims (by Indian, I mean Indian subcontinent) have the philosophies, religions, and arts of Indian civilisation that inform every aspect of their values and aesthetics and beliefs. There is no such thing as one stew that Muslims can be a part of. The Sunni orthodoxy has been trying for ages, and their efforts and fantasies have never materialised.
Absolutely! West have their own problems. For sure!