I have 2 Acadian Woods , a 3pc tree stick 62"/60# and a 3pc recurve 60"/54# . They are so sweet ! I'm actually a friend of Tim . My fastest bow is My Black Swan recurve 60"/55# .
I totally want a Martin Savannah. I had a chance to pick one up real cheap months back but passed on it not realizing I will probably never see it at that price again.
I will have to think about that, I have a hard time pulling back my 55# Bear Montana but it is getting easier. When I get to the point where I think I can draw back 60# I’ll let you know and see if you’ve still got it, thanks!
Amazing! My 66# Ol Ben 5000 longbow shoots slower than my 50# Samick Sage. Granted, one is a Howard Hill style longbow, and the other is a 3 piece TD recurve, it still proves this video's findings. Heavier draw weight does not always equal faster arrows. Thanks for this short but insightful video.
Nice testing but one thing the G10 riser has nothing to do with speed... It's more how the limb design and what kind of Glas and laminat... But any way super cool video
I have enjoyed your videos,short and too the point. I just bought a used Big Stick Assassin 62” 52#@30 how do you like the palm swell on the hand grip and can you explain the thinking behind it Thanks
I believe it's personal preference. Obviously Bob Smith who makes them has a rather large hand. I have smaller risers and I enjoy them as well. I have a pretty light grip on the bow so it works out well for me. The stippling adds to the grip for me. Good luck with your bow 🏹💪.
@@bluegretchen thanks again,sure would love to set on your back porch and pick your brain.I have a few unique problems I am left eye dominate but shoot a right hand bow.l have a balance problem ,because of polio I wear two long leg braces, holding the bow in my left hand give me my best balance. I don’t want to use sights I have gone through several aiming systems i shoot ok but nothing like you.when I watch you shoot every thing I see in your stance tells me your on target. I know it’s asking a lot but I sure would like to talk to you on the phone. My great love is God ,my Wife,and Bow Hunting whitetail Deer.
Pullback resistance doesn’t equal arrow speed. Some limbs fight you the whole time yet can’t get out of their own way when it comes to the kind of impulse that gets great arrow speeds. .that’s for the slo - mo cameras I guess to figure out. At what point does the arrow go from being a dead weight to being flung off of a string, with more or less authority ? It’s all weights and measures until the sweep of all of the forces moves it to one, two, three hundred fps. And then the archer has to bullseye all of that over distance. And then the best bow is that.
I have done similar comparisons and it is amazing to me that quiet bows always have seemed slower to me. The chronograph was an eye opener. Do you think the reflex/deflex would also be a factor? Thanks for your vids.
@@SharpObserver1A deflex can serve a purpose of increasing maximum draw length, so you can make a shorter deflex reflex bow to have the same max draw as a straight or just reflex bow. It can also be used to ease the stress of the material, if the material cannot handle the bend without it, but thats only for poor wood self bows, not a problem for modern glass laminated bows. And in a case where the deflex is not needed to reach the draw length required, cus the bow is long enough to do it without, the deflex only decreses pre tension and thus arrow speed, compared to a bow with equal shaped limbs but without deflex. Deflex also makes stringing easier, if the bow just have reflex, it is more difficult to string cus it tends to want to flip around.
So the fastest bow is 154 fps with 26" draw (probably around 47-48 pounds at that draw), and in my limited experience, since i have only tested that from one bow so far, i found that an increase of one inch in draw length, equals to increse of 6 fps (this of course might not be the case for this particular bow), but to calculate with that, with the standard 28" draw, this bow would shoot those arrows 166 fps, and the grain per pound for that bow is with 525 grain arrows is 9.9 gpp. sorry to say, but even that fastest one seems quite slow, a bow like that should shoot over 170 fps, if not over 175 fps with 10 gpp arrows. Even well made self bows shoot way faster than that (my personal record is 183 fps with 530 grain arrows and 51 pound, 71" long self longbow, made by me). Something doesn't feel right, is there a high humidity? that the limbs would have increased in moisture and thus have greater mass? But it's carbon limbs, or is there still wood also? Carbon doesn't suck in moisture like wood does.
You should keep in mind that he is shooting bows in the range of 60-62 inches (if i got that right), so with a 26,5 draw he is not in the performance region of most of the bows. For 26,5 inches draw i would go to 58 inches length max, IF i would get the best performance out of it. Roughly speeking, bows are different. But sometimes speed is not everything, some prefere the better handling of a longer bow. But i guess, lower speed limits you in hunting distance ( since animals constantly move ). Just my two cents, i am not a expert. Myself, i am shooting a 60 inch Super Shrew2, with a draw of 30 inches. Normally i wouldnt use such a short bow with that draw length, but Shrews are built that way. I can easily draw this short bow to 31-32 inches. And 60 inch is the end of the line, their bows begin at 52 inch. So, just my thoughts on this.
could it be your 26" draw doesn't fully utilize the power of the limbs in this type of bow?. I also have a short draw and find I shoot my Turkish and asian bows at much faster speeds and flatter trajectory than my standard Bear/Pearson etc.. bows.
So the draw was only 26"? That explains the low speeds to an extent. Also the poundage at 26" is not the same as it is at 28" so that first 60 lbs bow at 28" would be at 26" around 54 lbs. I'm in the middle of making my new personal record breaking longbow (hopefully) and I have been shooting it only 22" to 24" draw so far, and the speed difference between 22" and 24" is about 12 fps, so at least for that bow, 1" increase in draw length, makes 6 fps increase in speed. So if we use this information to calculate the speeds of these bows at standard 28" draw, we need to add 12 fps for these results. so a 145 fps result with 26" draw, would be 157 fps with 28" draw. But this still is quite horrible slow for a modern bow. For a wooden self bow that is normal, tough even self bows can be way faster than that, my personal record being with 51 lbs bow and 530 grain arrows 183 fps with a 71" self longbow.
I have 2 Acadian Woods , a 3pc tree stick 62"/60# and a 3pc recurve 60"/54# . They are so sweet ! I'm actually a friend of Tim . My fastest bow is My Black Swan recurve 60"/55# .
Great info! Thanks for your videos…always informative!
ALWAYS BEEN A FAN OF THE ACADIA. I JUST GOT MY SECOND BLACKTAIL A 56" #45@28 BUTTER SMOOTH. GREAT INFORMATIONAL VIDEO! NEW SUB. THUMBS UP!!!
Thanks for your videos, they are both entertaining and educational.
Kind words. Thank you.
I have been thinking about an Acadian they are stunning.
I totally want a Martin Savannah. I had a chance to pick one up real cheap months back but passed on it not realizing I will probably never see it at that price again.
If you can pull 60 lbs I'll sell this one. 👍
I will have to think about that, I have a hard time pulling back my 55# Bear Montana but it is getting easier. When I get to the point where I think I can draw back 60# I’ll let you know and see if you’ve still got it, thanks!
Amazing! My 66# Ol Ben 5000 longbow shoots slower than my 50# Samick Sage. Granted, one is a Howard Hill style longbow, and the other is a 3 piece TD recurve, it still proves this video's findings. Heavier draw weight does not always equal faster arrows. Thanks for this short but insightful video.
Good stuff always
Nice.
Nice testing but one thing the G10 riser has nothing to do with speed... It's more how the limb design and what kind of Glas and laminat... But any way super cool video
The G10 also adds weight to the riser.👍
I have enjoyed your videos,short and too the point. I just bought a used Big Stick Assassin 62” 52#@30 how do you like the palm swell on the hand grip and can you explain the thinking behind it
Thanks
I believe it's personal preference. Obviously Bob Smith who makes them has a rather large hand. I have smaller risers and I enjoy them as well. I have a pretty light grip on the bow so it works out well for me. The stippling adds to the grip for me. Good luck with your bow 🏹💪.
@@bluegretchen thanks again,sure would love to set on your back porch and pick your brain.I have a few unique problems I am left eye dominate but shoot a right hand bow.l have a balance problem ,because of polio I wear two long leg braces, holding the bow in my left hand give me my best balance. I don’t want to use sights I have gone through several aiming systems i shoot ok but nothing like you.when I watch you shoot every thing I see in your stance tells me your on target. I know it’s asking a lot but I sure would like to talk to you on the phone. My great love is God ,my Wife,and Bow Hunting whitetail Deer.
Pullback resistance doesn’t equal arrow speed. Some limbs fight you the whole time yet can’t get out of their own way when it comes to the kind of impulse that gets great arrow speeds. .that’s for the slo - mo cameras I guess to figure out. At what point does the arrow go from being a dead weight to being flung off of a string, with more or less authority ? It’s all weights and measures until the sweep of all of the forces moves it to one, two, three hundred fps. And then the archer has to bullseye all of that over distance. And then the best bow is that.
Check them @28 in. And 10 gpp arrow weight to compare.
I'm good. That's an old video. The information is just something I made to prove my point. Be well.
Good video thx
What kind of bow did you say the takedown one was? I really like that bow
Acadian Woods.
@@bluegretchen thank you! I know it was said it in the video, but I’m hard at hearing thanks to the tinnitus and hearing loss
I have done similar comparisons and it is amazing to me that quiet bows always have seemed slower to me. The chronograph was an eye opener. Do you think the reflex/deflex would also be a factor? Thanks for your vids.
I honestly don't know. I just always thought reflex deflex were always the sexiest bows 👍
It's a factor on the limbs, absolutely not on the riser. Any deflex serves no purpose anywhere.
@@SharpObserver1A deflex can serve a purpose of increasing maximum draw length, so you can make a shorter deflex reflex bow to have the same max draw as a straight or just reflex bow. It can also be used to ease the stress of the material, if the material cannot handle the bend without it, but thats only for poor wood self bows, not a problem for modern glass laminated bows. And in a case where the deflex is not needed to reach the draw length required, cus the bow is long enough to do it without, the deflex only decreses pre tension and thus arrow speed, compared to a bow with equal shaped limbs but without deflex. Deflex also makes stringing easier, if the bow just have reflex, it is more difficult to string cus it tends to want to flip around.
So the fastest bow is 154 fps with 26" draw (probably around 47-48 pounds at that draw), and in my limited experience, since i have only tested that from one bow so far, i found that an increase of one inch in draw length, equals to increse of 6 fps (this of course might not be the case for this particular bow), but to calculate with that, with the standard 28" draw, this bow would shoot those arrows 166 fps, and the grain per pound for that bow is with 525 grain arrows is 9.9 gpp. sorry to say, but even that fastest one seems quite slow, a bow like that should shoot over 170 fps, if not over 175 fps with 10 gpp arrows. Even well made self bows shoot way faster than that (my personal record is 183 fps with 530 grain arrows and 51 pound, 71" long self longbow, made by me). Something doesn't feel right, is there a high humidity? that the limbs would have increased in moisture and thus have greater mass? But it's carbon limbs, or is there still wood also? Carbon doesn't suck in moisture like wood does.
I was thinking the same things. Ive got a bear montana long bow that shoots 10gpp arrows in the 165-170 range.
I wonder if his crono is off
You should keep in mind that he is shooting bows in the range of 60-62 inches (if i got that right), so with a 26,5 draw he is not in the performance region of most of the bows.
For 26,5 inches draw i would go to 58 inches length max, IF i would get the best performance out of it. Roughly speeking, bows are different.
But sometimes speed is not everything, some prefere the better handling of a longer bow. But i guess, lower speed limits you in hunting distance ( since animals constantly move ).
Just my two cents, i am not a expert.
Myself, i am shooting a 60 inch Super Shrew2, with a draw of 30 inches. Normally i wouldnt use such a short bow with that draw length, but Shrews are built that way. I can easily draw this short bow to 31-32 inches. And 60 inch is the end of the line, their bows begin at 52 inch.
So, just my thoughts on this.
The riser has nothing to do with speed, the G10 just gives it a nicer shot feel
I disagree. Aluminum risers used to give you a little extra speed so why wouldn't a g10 riser?
Ok
could it be your 26" draw doesn't fully utilize the power of the limbs in this type of bow?. I also have a short draw and find I shoot my Turkish and asian bows at much faster speeds and flatter trajectory than my standard Bear/Pearson etc.. bows.
I'm sure you are using lighter arrows. Physics is physics.
So the draw was only 26"? That explains the low speeds to an extent. Also the poundage at 26" is not the same as it is at 28" so that first 60 lbs bow at 28" would be at 26" around 54 lbs.
I'm in the middle of making my new personal record breaking longbow (hopefully) and I have been shooting it only 22" to 24" draw so far, and the speed difference between 22" and 24" is about 12 fps, so at least for that bow, 1" increase in draw length, makes 6 fps increase in speed. So if we use this information to calculate the speeds of these bows at standard 28" draw, we need to add 12 fps for these results. so a 145 fps result with 26" draw, would be 157 fps with 28" draw. But this still is quite horrible slow for a modern bow. For a wooden self bow that is normal, tough even self bows can be way faster than that, my personal record being with 51 lbs bow and 530 grain arrows 183 fps with a 71" self longbow.
What about your thunder child?
I sold that bow. It was faster than the Savannah but slower than the Assassin.