I will miss Hedi Slimane era at Celine…The Fragrances were amazing and affordable! Hedi was the first designer I saw over a 15 years ago that had mens skinny jeans going down the runway way I think during his Dior or YSL tenure.
From my understanding it's not confirmed that he's leaving but it's 99.9% likely. Really sad to see him go, I think he is a great fit at Celine and the numbers prove it.
I think Hedi curating perfumes is actually a good thing. I always felt surprised that perfumes and clothing are treated separately by brands. It is all in the metaphor ‘wearing a perfume’. It makes sense of Heidi to consider the Celine person and all that they’d wear and how everything should be cohesive. A fragrance can make or break a dress code. Not because the fragrance isn’t great but because it is deviates from the underlying story of the other pieces. It’s as good as wearing a dunhill tailored suit with those Balenciaga oversized shoes. It’s only ignored because perfumes are not directly linked to the sense of sight
They want to CONTROL him. He met the financial bottom line. Ppl are wearing the clothes . They may not want him to get so big the brand can’t live without him . He want to stay credit for his creativity. No different than a songwriter wants credit/royalties for there song. .
Possibly not practical in real life but personally I think it would be fantastic to see Hedi Slimane get out from under LVMH… he’s a brilliant designer and deserves maximum creative control. He could dictate when he releases his ideas to market like Philo & get off the revolting treadmill of having to churn out ideas too many times per year. These conglomerates are pure forces of exploitation at every level.
I often wonder why Slimane doesn’t get an investor (you’d think investors would be lining up given his sales) and open his open label. He pretty much does “Slimane” wherever he goes, that combo of Parisian haute bourgeoisie x Rock and Roll. So why not do it for himself? Risk aversion? Insufficient time for his photography and social life? Surely he’d do well enough eventually that his own company could afford the teams and infrastructure to make his work life easy. Also did you read the Style Zeitgeist newsletter on this subject? I loved it.
At this point he should just start his own brand. He has the track record to easily get investors I don’t know why he doesn’t just start his eponymous label.
My view is that it is a lot easier to succeed commercially with a brand like Celine that already does high end fashion. However, given Hedi’s exquisite taste and strict requirements in fabrics, it is probably a lot riskier to start a brand from scratch without stealing enough brains from a high end fashion company. Celine homme feels a lot like hedi’s own men’s wear. Personally I can’t see Hedi surpass what he has achieved with Celine even given his own label.
You understimate the high turnover for a company like Celine. It's a desastrous effect. And in france, Violation of worker right is heavily punished by the Prud'homme.
Their bags are not doing really well in the reseller’s market, which means that the bags don’t hold much ‘investment’ values. Another reason is that the brand clearly wants to go back to ‘luxury luxury’ styles, catering to high-income clientele instead of ‘aspiring customers’ .
As a designer working for myself. I will tell you why they want to cut him. Bc he is a pioneer under the thumb. This would mean every other designer under these conglomerates can follow suit. Which is exactly what they don’t want. To give their power away. This is not about money . This is about domination and power
Parisian Here, in France we have a very strong work rules at the government level. All these back and forth to saint Tropez can easily affect well being of workers at Lvmh. And I can swear you that nobody want to have issue with the prudhomme in France. If you add the very strong turnover of employee in Fashion, Luxury group fight a lot to keep good profiles. And as you know, our generation don't want to spend all our lives at work. So even if it's Hedi Slimane, no one want to bring collections at saint tropez every weeks. So many just resign and take another position in other company. And all this affect the company. There are a lot a lot of turn over at Celine. You see all the time work offer from Celine. Sometime, the same position for 8 months. So I think Bernard Arnault ( who inspect all his companies himself or with his children) is tired to deal with this kind of shenanigans.
The hq in st-tropez makes sense the same way that the ysl hq did in LA. It makes a distance between the executives and the creatives. Part of it I think that they hate when the creative director knows better how to run a brand than the executive. At LVMH I have the impression that all the ceo have some ego trip. And also at this point they knew how he works when they hired him at Celine, and hiring Hedi Slimane is like having a brand in brand; it’s like a hosting thing.
AYO! did u see the recent cut article which said that the current met gala exhibition was a last-minute backup plan? anna originally wanted to stage a galliano retrospective but the museum stepped in and said they weren't ready. i think this gives credence to some of the givenchy rumours...
I think the museum is waiting until the film documentary about Galliano comes out, to see how it’s received, before staging a full on “He’s redeemed!!” exhibit. Just a matter of time though bc AW has always been his biggest supporter.
Going to check out the article now! Haven’t seen it yet. Anna Wintour really loves Galliano though so it doesn’t surprise me. For some reason the industry insiders I know personally are so adamant that Galliano isn’t going to Givenchy. I feel like they know something they don’t because they’re so sure.
Wasn’t a huge fan of the dancing kid collection but most of the other stuff I’ve seen from Hedi Slimane at Celine I really liked. This is everything from the collections to how he changed the stores to the perfume line etc. I think everything is very well done by him. The quality is also good which is a huge plus
@@rv6984 maybe it did financially I just didn’t personally like that collection is all, I did do a review on the collection on the channel though. I was making the argument it would age a lot better than people think
It’s so annoying that LVMH execs get mad because a designer is doing something different and successful doing the same thing. Maybe they need to do for the designer they can “control” so Celine flops and they learn their lesson
I will miss Hedi Slimane era at Celine…The Fragrances were amazing and affordable! Hedi was the first designer I saw over a 15 years ago that had mens skinny jeans going down the runway way I think during his Dior or YSL tenure.
From my understanding it's not confirmed that he's leaving but it's 99.9% likely. Really sad to see him go, I think he is a great fit at Celine and the numbers prove it.
which fragrance exactly ? 😊
I think Hedi curating perfumes is actually a good thing. I always felt surprised that perfumes and clothing are treated separately by brands. It is all in the metaphor ‘wearing a perfume’. It makes sense of Heidi to consider the Celine person and all that they’d wear and how everything should be cohesive. A fragrance can make or break a dress code. Not because the fragrance isn’t great but because it is deviates from the underlying story of the other pieces. It’s as good as wearing a dunhill tailored suit with those Balenciaga oversized shoes. It’s only ignored because perfumes are not directly linked to the sense of sight
Hedi Slimane is genius! I admire him and bow in front of him.🙇♀️
They want to CONTROL him. He met the financial bottom line. Ppl are wearing the clothes . They may not want him to get so big the brand can’t live without him . He want to stay credit for his creativity. No different than a songwriter wants credit/royalties for there song. .
I'm a big fan of him demanding royalties but obviously big companies won't like it. Good on him for being so good at negotiations.
The concept for royalties for his creatively is solid. Why not. Celine is making Billionaires why not get a bigger slice of the pie.
Possibly not practical in real life but personally I think it would be fantastic to see Hedi Slimane get out from under LVMH… he’s a brilliant designer and deserves maximum creative control. He could dictate when he releases his ideas to market like Philo & get off the revolting treadmill of having to churn out ideas too many times per year. These conglomerates are pure forces of exploitation at every level.
I often wonder why Slimane doesn’t get an investor (you’d think investors would be lining up given his sales) and open his open label. He pretty much does “Slimane” wherever he goes, that combo of Parisian haute bourgeoisie x Rock and Roll. So why not do it for himself? Risk aversion? Insufficient time for his photography and social life? Surely he’d do well enough eventually that his own company could afford the teams and infrastructure to make his work life easy.
Also did you read the Style Zeitgeist newsletter on this subject? I loved it.
At this point he should just start his own brand. He has the track record to easily get investors I don’t know why he doesn’t just start his eponymous label.
My view is that it is a lot easier to succeed commercially with a brand like Celine that already does high end fashion. However, given Hedi’s exquisite taste and strict requirements in fabrics, it is probably a lot riskier to start a brand from scratch without stealing enough brains from a high end fashion company. Celine homme feels a lot like hedi’s own men’s wear. Personally I can’t see Hedi surpass what he has achieved with Celine even given his own label.
You understimate the high turnover for a company like Celine. It's a desastrous effect. And in france, Violation of worker right is heavily punished by the Prud'homme.
@@FashionRoadman ala Phoebe Philo.
Their bags are not doing really well in the reseller’s market, which means that the bags don’t hold much ‘investment’ values. Another reason is that the brand clearly wants to go back to ‘luxury luxury’ styles, catering to high-income clientele instead of ‘aspiring customers’ .
First thing first. Is the clothes selling? If so let the designer live.
They most certainly are
As a designer working for myself. I will tell you why they want to cut him. Bc he is a pioneer under the thumb. This would mean every other designer under these conglomerates can follow suit. Which is exactly what they don’t want. To give their power away. This is not about money . This is about domination and power
Parisian Here, in France we have a very strong work rules at the government level. All these back and forth to saint Tropez can easily affect well being of workers at Lvmh. And I can swear you that nobody want to have issue with the prudhomme in France. If you add the very strong turnover of employee in Fashion, Luxury group fight a lot to keep good profiles. And as you know, our generation don't want to spend all our lives at work. So even if it's Hedi Slimane, no one want to bring collections at saint tropez every weeks. So many just resign and take another position in other company. And all this affect the company. There are a lot a lot of turn over at Celine. You see all the time work offer from Celine. Sometime, the same position for 8 months. So I think Bernard Arnault ( who inspect all his companies himself or with his children) is tired to deal with this kind of shenanigans.
The hq in st-tropez makes sense the same way that the ysl hq did in LA. It makes a distance between the executives and the creatives. Part of it I think that they hate when the creative director knows better how to run a brand than the executive. At LVMH I have the impression that all the ceo have some ego trip. And also at this point they knew how he works when they hired him at Celine, and hiring Hedi Slimane is like having a brand in brand; it’s like a hosting thing.
AYO! did u see the recent cut article which said that the current met gala exhibition was a last-minute backup plan? anna originally wanted to stage a galliano retrospective but the museum stepped in and said they weren't ready. i think this gives credence to some of the givenchy rumours...
I think the museum is waiting until the film documentary about Galliano comes out, to see how it’s received, before staging a full on “He’s redeemed!!” exhibit. Just a matter of time though bc AW has always been his biggest supporter.
Going to check out the article now! Haven’t seen it yet. Anna Wintour really loves Galliano though so it doesn’t surprise me. For some reason the industry insiders I know personally are so adamant that Galliano isn’t going to Givenchy. I feel like they know something they don’t because they’re so sure.
The BoF Article - www.businessoffashion.com/articles/luxury/can-celine-work-without-hedi-slimane/
as a celine model, pls don’t leave Hedi😢
Whoa which collection did u model for? U worked with hedi?
@@fixed63548 men’s seasons, n yeah
I really liked the Heidi Slimane Celine more than the Saint Laurent.
I would love Hedi to stay at Celine 😍
some noise say he is going to Chanel 🤔🤔🤔
Cali is in Colombia and is hardly expensive haha :)
Interesting
men of culture
now that virginie is leaving chanel i know why hedi is leaving celine 💁♀️
He’s heading to Chanel
always thought he should depart after the garbage “the dancing kid” collection. he picks some gorgeous environments for his show though.
Wasn’t a huge fan of the dancing kid collection but most of the other stuff I’ve seen from Hedi Slimane at Celine I really liked. This is everything from the collections to how he changed the stores to the perfume line etc. I think everything is very well done by him. The quality is also good which is a huge plus
@@FashionRoadman The Dancing Kid saved Celine.I think he would have been out long before this if it wasn't for that collection.
@@rv6984 maybe it did financially I just didn’t personally like that collection is all, I did do a review on the collection on the channel though. I was making the argument it would age a lot better than people think
I wont miss him.
I smell corporae resentment.
In this copy & paste fashion Era. Of Course 😆 🤣 😂
It’s so annoying that LVMH execs get mad because a designer is doing something different and successful doing the same thing. Maybe they need to do for the designer they can “control” so Celine flops and they learn their lesson
HE BETTER NOT LEAVE‼️