Thank you Geek Climber for reaching out and asking me to be a part of this process! So cool to see your improvements and all that you learned about your climbing along the way!
Thanks again for dropping all the awesome knowledge, Jason! Y'all should definitely check out Hooper's Beta for quality content! Let's get him to 10k subs!
Hey Jason! Would you recommend for sport climbers to lower the weight and increase reps (like have 3 minutes total of wrist rolling) since time on the wall is much higher?
@@HaleyMorganB yeah definitely! Well, more in the 2, 2:30 minute range. But that would be great modification to emulate the time spent sport climbing between max efforts and your rests.
Hooper's Beta is a FANTASTIC channel! I'm so happy to see you guys collaborating & definitely worth a follow. I also think it's cool that you are integrating other aspects of climbing into your channel as well (like training, (p)rehabbing). It's definitely a multifaceted activity that incorporates a lot of different things, and it's cool that we are getting more content and channels that illustrate this. Cheers!
Geek Climber it was a video he did on the scapula and how it’s the most used thing in climbing but barely anyone warms it up. I did his scapula warm ups and my shoulder got better and better and better until the pain just went away. He is legit when it comes to prehab. This series ua-cam.com/video/W-N2Vp_7obs/v-deo.html is probably worth $100 visit to a sports massage therapist.
Can I just say, that the video examples you include of what NOT to do, as well as of the little things that happen during your learning process (like feeing sore, doing research, watching tv, etc.) are hilarious and awesome? Really makes these videos more intimate and relatable. Also just plain funny.
A friend told me the same thing, stating "but it burns mooore dude" Some people dont understand basic mechanics like putting the arms straight out will work the shoulders much more than the forearms
Great video Geek! I'm a tile contractor of 25 years in the trades and have been looking for injury prevention stuff. Very helpful, will wrist roll 3 times a week. Two thumbs up!
You've noticed a difference in yourself and that's all that matters. These small improvements in different areas will soon break that plateau of V7 and you will get the V8 💪
When I do them, I extend my arms straight out and rest them on something like the top of a treadmill or safety bar on a squat rack. This eliminates your shoulders and traps from getting involved allowing you to solely focus on the forearms which is your main goal for strengthening.
@@GeekClimber Hard stuff man, take your time. I remember i injured my scapula tendon with progressions that were too hard for me when i started training it...
@@zimcam1 I think it will help his channel bc he’s not a pro yet so his level is still tangible, and not like ondra where it seems like Superman himself is climbing. Also since he shows his progress it’s like a guide for others.
A way to see improvement from things like this without needing to climb V8: climb V7 faster or be able to do a couple in one session. V7 in a session is definitely better than in 2 or 4 sessions for example.
When I'm trying to break my plateau I also like this sort of blitz method but I'll repeat a problem without resting until I fall. It's really hard to go all out like this but I feel like I gain a lot from it.
Perfect! I was just thinking about getting a wrist roller and I live in Germany and then I saw this. Just went and ordered one from redgeroller and he immediately wrote me an email letting me know that he was packaging my roller and sending it out tomorrow. Great service. I told him that I saw it on your video. So great to get what I want (a great wrist roller) and help you out a bit at the same time!
@@experiment54 Most people watching this video don't own a drill, let alone a suitable drill head. I don't even own a broom handle I don't need, nor do I own a rope, nor any piece of wood to carry the plates. So I would have to buy three things and invest a bunch of time to make an inferior version of sth I could simply get on amazon for 20€.
I am not a climber, but i still do wrist rolling. I think that strengthening the forears is a very improtan thing for our daily lives. We always pick and hold weight, and our hands are one of our main tools for literally anything. Also it feels great in front of the mirror haha
Funny thing. Just found Hooper's Beta yesterday and already bingewatched the most to see the doctor appear here. Can totally recommend their channel, especially the core exercises to create own routines with ;)
bodybuilders seeking max growth will throw in more sets, maybe 8-10, might do them 4 times a week, micht train the flexors too with the roller, always start rolling from a platform so you can keep arms around waist level and unroll without touching the floor. Start with the extensors because it tends to be weaker less meaty part of the forearm (eliminate the weak link first) plus you pump up the brachialis semi-isometrically too! every third workout do supersets by pairing extensors-flexor sets together this will really engorge the forearm full of blood, time under tension is more important than weight here, you use the other 2 workouts to build more progressive weight overload in the extensors/flexors seperately combined you create good synergy to progress in total workvolume.
Started doing this again, just had my wrist roller sat around doing nothing for so long. Put 7.5kg on, pretty close to my max it seems. Looked at my forearms and they had the most intense vascularity I've ever seen. I'm gonna keep doing it. I want to do 15kg. Also I did that V6 from your video. Pretty fun.
Great video. We had one when I was a kid; made one and started with 2lb weight and added weight accordingly up to 44 lb Weider Plates. Lowering info is great. I am guilty of this
Problem with most rollers is that the wire coils up towards one side. So the weight is not even distributed on both arms. I guess you could turn the bar around so it coils on the opposite side. So instead of curling back and being left dominant, you would it around and curl forward and be right dominant. I curl up and down.
You will feel the usage of stronger wrists on slopers and in some akwards scenarios pinches. It's also great for open angle holds and probably you will like it on any sort of body co pression with your arms
I was always told you have to keep your elbows at your sides to really isolate the forearms. When you flare your elbows out you use some shoulder muscles. Good video always thought if doing this really helped
Did you even watch the video ? This is what is recommended. He just started to flare is elbow when he tried his max, but obviously you are gonna loose form when you max out.
For me personally, ma main progression in climbing is preveneting injury. Try-hard climbing and antagonist training only, in my case, is better than try-hard + additional climbing specific exercises, due to consistecy of overuse and injuries.
I mostly do them straight-armed with light weight. Feels awkward with elbows bent and my forearms always fatigue before shoulders. Anything over 10 pounds seems like overkill to me.
I should try this, I've noticed my past couple sessions, I've been getting some discomfort on my outer wrist area. And a little on the top of my forearm above the wrist. It isn't bad, but I don't want it to get worse
You should put a link to the guy in the description as people are lazy... I'm not a climber but I do have a wrist roller and an interest in grip strength. This was good! Any further progress?
Goes to show you how the body adapts n different muscle activation... he is so poor in wrist rolls but can achieve assisted one arm pull ups (no problem)
Would this help with just regular pulling movements in general? I love doing bodyweight exercise but admittedly I'm extremely bad at pulling movements. Just sort of wondering if this is a tool that can help along side other progressive pulling training.
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Yes rolling towards you trains the forearm flexors while rolling away from yourself trains the extenssors, i recommend rolling away from your self since flexors already get a lot of work from all pulling exercises...
When you hold the roller in the pronated grip, it will be always working the extension. Gravity is pulling your wrist down, and your wrist extensors are fighting hard to keep the wrist in the neutral position!
Hmm. So I think my forearm strength is not lacking my ability to climb harder. I sterted just before Christmas and I can now flash V5s and V6 is just out of my league. But I tried this rolling training and managed to get 60 lbs up first try both directions.😁 I think I try something else. Lol
I feel like using a high box would be a better way to avoid 'cheat reps' and the use of the other muscles and it would be more accurate track progression
This video couldn’t have come at a better time - I literally just built my own wrist roller two weeks ago to recover from a minor wrist injury! How much rest time do you take in between sets? thanks for all the awesome content - you’re a real inspiration man
Well-Happy New Year! gift - the gift of self improvement. Awesome video as always. Darn it - rollers are sold out 😖 but I will wait for it. 🤩 Nay sayers are a waste of time and F them-over compensating for their own inadequacy. The power of believing in something works is more powerful than the act; “You are the Placebo - making your mind matter”, Dr. Joe Dispenza, was a great book. We never really know how much we limit our potential with self imposed obstacles. So as usual, you got me (wrist) rolling (with it). 🤣🙏
I just asked Redgeclimbing about it. I think you can still place an order now. It’s just that they will ship it later. It’s a really high-quality roller, so I think it will be worth the wait, Jon!
Which way should you roll it ? For example, when rolling up, should the cord be between you and the roller? Or should the roller between you and the cord?
Probably didn’t change that much, he’s already very light and skinny so he already had a low fat percentage meaning no definition or little definition would be added. These movements don’t necessarily add that much muscle
Thank you Geek Climber for reaching out and asking me to be a part of this process! So cool to see your improvements and all that you learned about your climbing along the way!
Thanks again for dropping all the awesome knowledge, Jason! Y'all should definitely check out Hooper's Beta for quality content! Let's get him to 10k subs!
Hey Jason! Would you recommend for sport climbers to lower the weight and increase reps (like have 3 minutes total of wrist rolling) since time on the wall is much higher?
@@HaleyMorganB yeah definitely! Well, more in the 2, 2:30 minute range. But that would be great modification to emulate the time spent sport climbing between max efforts and your rests.
@@HoopersBeta Sweet thank you!
your channel so underrated bro, im glad geek climber is bringing more viewers
Wait till he learns about Rick Rolling
Dont click read more
Never gonna give you up
Hooper's Beta is a FANTASTIC channel! I'm so happy to see you guys collaborating & definitely worth a follow. I also think it's cool that you are integrating other aspects of climbing into your channel as well (like training, (p)rehabbing). It's definitely a multifaceted activity that incorporates a lot of different things, and it's cool that we are getting more content and channels that illustrate this. Cheers!
I used to get pinched nerves in my shoulders from climbing hard, Hoopers Beta fixed it. Haven't had a problem since.
Did you see him in person? Or did you actually fix it just by watching his videos?
Geek Climber it was a video he did on the scapula and how it’s the most used thing in climbing but barely anyone warms it up. I did his scapula warm ups and my shoulder got better and better and better until the pain just went away. He is legit when it comes to prehab. This series ua-cam.com/video/W-N2Vp_7obs/v-deo.html is probably worth $100 visit to a sports massage therapist.
@@Schyluer thank you for sharing that. As a person with double jointed shoulders I need this.
Damn thank you for your comment. I've injured both my shoulders climbing before and I've been looking for some good info on this.
Can I just say, that the video examples you include of what NOT to do, as well as of the little things that happen during your learning process (like feeing sore, doing research, watching tv, etc.) are hilarious and awesome? Really makes these videos more intimate and relatable. Also just plain funny.
I read once that Einstein topped out at V7 too...
I was doing the wrist curl the right way and some old guy shook his head and told me to stick my arms straight out. I knew he was wrong
Same here
😆😆
@@GeekClimber Some Old Guy is always giving bad advice:(
A friend told me the same thing, stating "but it burns mooore dude"
Some people dont understand basic mechanics like putting the arms straight out will work the shoulders much more than the forearms
You're supposed to have you arms straight out
Love the crossover!!! 2 of my fav climbing youtubers coming together. 100% agree his UA-cam channel is underrated
I too agree that hooper’s beta is so much underrated!! I love his channel
Great video Geek! I'm a tile contractor of 25 years in the trades and have been looking for injury prevention stuff. Very helpful, will wrist roll 3 times a week. Two thumbs up!
You've noticed a difference in yourself and that's all that matters. These small improvements in different areas will soon break that plateau of V7 and you will get the V8 💪
When I do them, I extend my arms straight out and rest them on something like the top of a treadmill or safety bar on a squat rack. This eliminates your shoulders and traps from getting involved allowing you to solely focus on the forearms which is your main goal for strengthening.
Love it man! Great summary at the end. So difficult to try and quantify how wrist rolling will have benefitted you, but you nailed it
When i saw the notification i thought he learned the front lever😂
I want to learn it
Still trying really hard to learn it haha. I will try my best to make it happen asap.
@@GeekClimber it's hard man you don't need to rush just excited when the video comes out. Thanks for the new video
@@GeekClimber Hard stuff man, take your time. I remember i injured my scapula tendon with progressions that were too hard for me when i started training it...
LOVE YOU JASON AND EMILE! I’m excited for y’all to get more attention your great content deserves.
❤️❤️
Gonna be honest this guy is no longer average
exactly. his work paid off. might not help his channel, but he's batter.
@@zimcam1 I think it will help his channel bc he’s not a pro yet so his level is still tangible, and not like ondra where it seems like Superman himself is climbing. Also since he shows his progress it’s like a guide for others.
He did title this video ‘average climber’ not ‘average guy’
@@hazza2247 I’m his pfp of his channel the background photo says “average guy try’s rock climbing”
@@zerotwosixty7416 he has a lot of rock climbing experience tho, he is well beyond just ‘trying’ rock climbing
i am doing it for wrist injury rehab, the tutorial by the PT is great!
A way to see improvement from things like this without needing to climb V8: climb V7 faster or be able to do a couple in one session. V7 in a session is definitely better than in 2 or 4 sessions for example.
That's a good one. Thanks for the idea!
When I'm trying to break my plateau I also like this sort of blitz method but I'll repeat a problem without resting until I fall. It's really hard to go all out like this but I feel like I gain a lot from it.
Perfect! I was just thinking about getting a wrist roller and I live in Germany and then I saw this. Just went and ordered one from redgeroller and he immediately wrote me an email letting me know that he was packaging my roller and sending it out tomorrow. Great service. I told him that I saw it on your video. So great to get what I want (a great wrist roller) and help you out a bit at the same time!
a piece of broom handle would have done or some other piece of wood
@@experiment54
Most people watching this video don't own a drill, let alone a suitable drill head. I don't even own a broom handle I don't need, nor do I own a rope, nor any piece of wood to carry the plates.
So I would have to buy three things and invest a bunch of time to make an inferior version of sth I could simply get on amazon for 20€.
@@MrCmon113 but you wouldn’t enjoy the one you bought nearly as much as the one you made
Great video. I'm not a climber. Me researching forearm rollers is purely aesthetic. But, this video was great and informative.
I am not a climber, but i still do wrist rolling. I think that strengthening the forears is a very improtan thing for our daily lives. We always pick and hold weight, and our hands are one of our main tools for literally anything. Also it feels great in front of the mirror haha
Does it make forearms look bigger?
Funny thing. Just found Hooper's Beta yesterday and already bingewatched the most to see the doctor appear here. Can totally recommend their channel, especially the core exercises to create own routines with ;)
Thanks for making this video! I started rolling today on a homemade stick and didn't realise the lowering was so important. Nice work!
I'm surprised that your wrists aren't super buff by now from constantly moving your hands while talking.
He doesn't even need wrist warmups because they're always warmed up
Lol
To be that Guy, Wrist are entirely Genetics
bodybuilders seeking max growth will throw in more sets, maybe 8-10, might do them 4 times a week, micht train the flexors too with the roller, always start rolling from a platform so you can keep arms around waist level and unroll without touching the floor.
Start with the extensors because it tends to be weaker less meaty part of the forearm (eliminate the weak link first) plus you pump up the brachialis semi-isometrically too! every third workout do supersets by pairing extensors-flexor sets together this will really engorge the forearm full of blood, time under tension is more important than weight here, you use the other 2 workouts to build more progressive weight overload in the extensors/flexors seperately combined you create good synergy to progress in total workvolume.
DOPE!! HOOPERS BETA IS SUCH A GOOD CHANNEL!! Love it!
i’m not sure if the form for the heavier weights count. there was a lot of shrugging which meant you were compensating using different muscle groups
Started doing this again, just had my wrist roller sat around doing nothing for so long. Put 7.5kg on, pretty close to my max it seems. Looked at my forearms and they had the most intense vascularity I've ever seen. I'm gonna keep doing it. I want to do 15kg.
Also I did that V6 from your video. Pretty fun.
How are they now?
@@crunchycrackers7364 huge
@@DIYToPen damn
He was doing the reverse wrist roll in the video which is wayy harder. What are your maxes rt now both ways?
I couldn't even do 3.5kg. Evil exercise, can't wait to see how it goes in 6 weeks time.
What happened
@@ayi_oglu_ayi one year later.
two of my favourite channels together
You really motivate me to continue working out and trying man
Your vids are always excellent. Thanks for the great content.
So much value as per usual.
Great video! I'm looking forward to seeing the video about one arm pull up
I think it should be happening soon. I have been feeling pretty strong lately.
Did paul Robinson's coaching not get you beyond v7 then? Or have you stopped?
Great video. We had one when I was a kid; made one and started with 2lb weight and added weight accordingly up to 44 lb Weider Plates. Lowering info is great. I am guilty of this
love your channel! keep up the good work!
It's interesting because when I started wrist rolling, I started at 25 lbs.
I bet this will also help with keyboard and mouse over use.
Put in good work! Love it.
why don't you ever do any strenght training program ?
Also pull it from the other side and your negatives should be slow.
You will see a great result
Problem with most rollers is that the wire coils up towards one side. So the weight is not even distributed on both arms. I guess you could turn the bar around so it coils on the opposite side. So instead of curling back and being left dominant, you would it around and curl forward and be right dominant.
I curl up and down.
You will feel the usage of stronger wrists on slopers and in some akwards scenarios pinches. It's also great for open angle holds and probably you will like it on any sort of body co pression with your arms
Dude you're on a roll.
😆😆
I was always told you have to keep your elbows at your sides to really isolate the forearms. When you flare your elbows out you use some shoulder muscles. Good video always thought if doing this really helped
Did you even watch the video ? This is what is recommended. He just started to flare is elbow when he tried his max, but obviously you are gonna loose form when you max out.
@@Thom4aa4s yea I did Gumby
@@axjtalex4672 so your comment is useless then.
@@Thom4aa4s just like the two remaining brain cells you have
@@Thom4aa4s his comment is not useless as u can see in last part with weights adding GC lifting up weight with shoulders and elbows not with forearms
Hooper's Beta is invaluable
I think wirst rolling is good for big slopper when you put your whole hand
Thank you for this video!
For me personally, ma main progression in climbing is preveneting injury. Try-hard climbing and antagonist training only, in my case, is better than try-hard + additional climbing specific exercises, due to consistecy of overuse and injuries.
Omg I got one of these for Christmas!!
Great vid!
Wrist rolling is great but get some fat grips too. Do hammer curls and reverse curls with dumbbells using the fat grips on the handles.
Hey! That's the grotto!
Hooper’s Beta is good. I subbed it.
What about wrist rolling with palm ups instead of palms down? Is this beneficial?
Quality Video!
Bruh this guy aint an average climber hes jacked
I was getting scared looking at his feet thinking the weight was gonna drop on them 😂
Great video
Starting to wrist roll now!
I’m confused. Did you deviate from the twice a week program and did it for 30 days straight? Or did you do it it twice a week for 30 days total?
I mostly do them straight-armed with light weight. Feels awkward with elbows bent and my forearms always fatigue before shoulders. Anything over 10 pounds seems like overkill to me.
If you box this seems like it will be really good to help prevent wrist injury’s
I should try this, I've noticed my past couple sessions, I've been getting some discomfort on my outer wrist area. And a little on the top of my forearm above the wrist. It isn't bad, but I don't want it to get worse
Your forearms looks pretty big tho😳
Thanks bro :)
You should put a link to the guy in the description as people are lazy...
I'm not a climber but I do have a wrist roller and an interest in grip strength.
This was good!
Any further progress?
great video
Goes to show you how the body adapts n different muscle activation... he is so poor in wrist rolls but can achieve assisted one arm pull ups (no problem)
Would this help with just regular pulling movements in general? I love doing bodyweight exercise but admittedly I'm extremely bad at pulling movements. Just sort of wondering if this is a tool that can help along side other progressive pulling training.
Thanks! You Da Best!!
recommendation is faster than notification
youtube started to put a 15 minute delay on notifications unless you're a paid subcription supporter .. probably to promote the subscription feature (of which they get a cut)
Really like your training for 30 days videos! Did you keep doing fingerboarding since your video? Do you do it nowadays?
I've been wrist rolling and it's definitely humbling
any difference in rolling towards vs away from you?
Yes rolling towards you trains the forearm flexors while rolling away from yourself trains the extenssors, i recommend rolling away from your self since flexors already get a lot of work from all pulling exercises...
Very cool
I'm up to 55 lbs on the wrist roller and I'm getting a lot of meat on my forearms.
You should try captain's of crush grippers the will help you a lot!!! Can you close a number 2 first try???
Great video. just one doubt. Should you be lifting the weight with the flexing movement or the extension movement?
When you hold the roller in the pronated grip, it will be always working the extension. Gravity is pulling your wrist down, and your wrist extensors are fighting hard to keep the wrist in the neutral position!
@@GeekClimber thanks a lot!
Hmm. So I think my forearm strength is not lacking my ability to climb harder. I sterted just before Christmas and I can now flash V5s and V6 is just out of my league. But I tried this rolling training and managed to get 60 lbs up first try both directions.😁 I think I try something else. Lol
Omg. I chalked up and did 80lbs.😂😂💎
Tried this, it is no joke.
I feel like using a high box would be a better way to avoid 'cheat reps' and the use of the other muscles and it would be more accurate track progression
Do you mean resting the forearms while doing to sort of not have a lot of body momentum?
This video couldn’t have come at a better time - I literally just built my own wrist roller two weeks ago to recover from a minor wrist injury!
How much rest time do you take in between sets?
thanks for all the awesome content - you’re a real inspiration man
Do you roll the bar towards you, away from you, or do you do both?
I didn’t know you climbed at grotto
Does the rolling direction matters? I notice I am rolling up in the different direction than you
I’m training with the wrist roller so I can get my forearms stronger so I can do a muscle up.
dont do muscle ups, they ruining your shoulder capsule over time
Well-Happy New Year! gift - the gift of self improvement. Awesome video as always. Darn it - rollers are sold out 😖 but I will wait for it. 🤩 Nay sayers are a waste of time and F them-over compensating for their own inadequacy. The power of believing in something works is more powerful than the act; “You are the Placebo - making your mind matter”, Dr. Joe Dispenza, was a great book. We never really know how much we limit our potential with self imposed obstacles. So as usual, you got me (wrist) rolling (with it). 🤣🙏
I just asked Redgeclimbing about it. I think you can still place an order now. It’s just that they will ship it later. It’s a really high-quality roller, so I think it will be worth the wait, Jon!
I use a paint can 10 sets 5 reps forearms hard af with *2 min or 5 min rest between
just to make sure i got it
this exercise is for forearm muscles?
What’s the effects on difference bar diameter. Gosh, now I need to make a few and see for my self. I have 50mm 40mm and 35mm Dowling.
is it 30 days in a row or with 30 train days exclusive restdays?
There are rest days in between. Hopper’s Beta recommends training wrist rolling around 2~3 times a week!
I have wrist pain, should I do this or reverse curls?
Which way should you roll it ? For example, when rolling up, should the cord be between you and the roller? Or should the roller between you and the cord?
The roller between you and the cord!
What about doing the reverse exercise, rolling up backward ?
These make my forearm so sore. I only use this once or twice a week.
Could you do a before after picture when you did the one arm pullup? It would be interesting to see how the visuals changed
Probably didn’t change that much, he’s already very light and skinny so he already had a low fat percentage meaning no definition or little definition would be added. These movements don’t necessarily add that much muscle
@@chrishansen8026 Thats what I think too
Jo, what happenned to the video of the front lever???
Can you please tell me where you got that exact wrist roller
Does this add muscle mass to the forearms?