After Brie Mode, his constipation during Survival Series 2 minutes in cause it's one of the last names he said and his disappointment in TNA's cupboards, he's my favourite behind Mr. OG Oli
@@Ghostlag Tempest is waaaaaaay too negative and debbie downer in my opinion. Critical of mostly everything, Surely you saw the original comments on the Wyatt Sick6 debut. Luke is my #3 instead
Suggestions for future TLCs: - Best/Worst Spot (for example MNM/The Hardy's spot that ends with Joey Mercury's bloody nose) -Best/Worst Cena match (for the farewell tour of course)
Its mostly because these guys are like 7. The Horsemen show up on one list. Their promo for the Patreon with best wrestlers to never win a world championship has an NWA World Heavyweight Champion who won it in maybe the greatest trilogy of matches ever.
I can never read the middle one. Also listen during my commute. Would be great if they could say what’s on the board during their turn for audio listeners. Love these shows though !!
Just gonna say that Ricky Steamboat was WCW World Champion in 1989. This isn’t like Rick Rude having the Big Gold Belt when it wasn't *really* the World Title, he held the most prestigious title ever.
Does anyone else feel like the Bullet Club and The Elite are two very separate factions at this point? I know that originally The Elite formed from Bullet Club, but honestly The Elite haven't really associated themselves with the wider faction of Bullet Club since The Bucks came out to the Bullet Club theme that time a few years ago. I just feel like you could do the Bullet Club and the Elite as two separate entries rather than just Bullet Club
I'm sorry but the 4 Horsemen only appeared one person's list of the greatest faction yet the Wyatt family appeared on all 3??? The Wyatt Family was nothing more than a catalyst for Bray. Also show some love for the Dangerous Alliance.
@@jeremyburnet4855 ehh as much as I love Bobby Heenan, I dunno if I considered them a true "faction", the only time they seemed to be together was come time for Survivor Series matches.
@@adam.o8183 a good portion of the WT struggles with showing proper respect to anything before 2000 WWE. I mean I understand to a degree considering a majority of them didnt' start watching until then. Same hold true with old school TNA except for Luke. Personally I would have snuck in the Main Event Mafia into my top 10 as I've always had a soft spot for the early MEM vs TNA Originals feud before they added ECW to the TNA originals.
Imagine hearing them say this is a person list upward of 50 times and still taking time out of your day to comment about a faction that operated before any of these men watched wrestling.
Was there a period at some point during Roman Reigns' unending title run when Rollins had the other WWE championship, and Mox was AEW champion? Seems like that was a thing, but I don't pay enough attention to WWE to know for sure.
For me, Bullet club has to be the number 1 faction if all time. Not only were they responsible for some of the biggest stories in New Japan, created great moments and were largly the precursor to aew, it was built on largely new stars, and turned them into dynamite. I would argue the Bullet club has THE BEST track record for creating stars, all 5 members of the elite, AJ, balor, adam cole, all of bullet club gold, and the group is still going strong on several promotions, to me they are the undisputed best
None of these guys mentioned TNA but BC have representation in all 3 major American promotions. Bang Bang Gang and Elite in AEW, OC in WWE and ABC in TNA.
@john-wh6mz I don't really see the dx inspiration in bullet club, the whole point of the club is "we are dangerous and you need to take us seriously", dx is the exact opposite. The NWO are just a worse version of bullet club, NWO was built with pre existing stars and ultimately lowered alot of its members, the club was made from relatively smaller stars and made gold out of them. Just because NWO came first doesn't change the fact that bullet club did it better
I agree, but also disagree. In the 90s, all you saw were Austin 3:16 shirt, nWo shirts, and DX shirts. Then in the 2010s, all you see are Bullet Club shirts. They definitely belong in the Top 3 for that reason alone. There were more Bullet Club shirts at a Wrestlemania than there were WWE shirts one year. They were the first non-WWE thing to go mainstream in the longest time. They deserve their place on the Mt Rushmore. But you can't deny DX and nWo their place as well.
@@john-wh6mz There would have been no nWo if not for the Dungeon of Doom (think about it). That does not mean the Dungeon of Doom is better than them.
I'm not surprised The Dangerous Alliance got left off, because they unfortunately usually are left off lists like these. A ridiculous amount of talent (Paul Heyman, Arn Anderson, Larry Zbyszko, Rick Rude, Steve Austin, Bobby Eaton, Madusa) that was severely hamstrung by the terrible booking/promoting that was early 90s WCW
It's always such a delight when Sullivan makes an appearance on these videos. The dude is so damn funny that it's criminal he doesn't get more screen time.
Freebirds were the first Heel Stable I remember but they were a 3-man Tag team at the time. But the First True stables I remember were in WCCW Gen Scandar Akbar ( Devastation Inc.) and Gary Hart (H&H Ltd.) were managers BUT unlike the WWF the people they managed worked with each other. Von Erichs could be a stable also w/ Chris Adams. Note I watched WWF and WCCW in the mid 80s.
Some possible future ideas -10 Wrestling spots you would do -10 Wrestling spots you couldn't be paid to do -10 Wrestling booking decisions you would've changed -10 Wrestling Matches you wish you could've been there in person to see -10 Wrestlers who shouldn't have been pushed -10 Wrestlers who deserve more respect -10 Wrestlers who deserved better than they got -Top 10 Wrestling video games -Top 10 WrestleTalk Employees :3
This one really went off the rails. Nobody except Pete having Undisputed Era on there is already hard to take, but I am also very surprised that nobody had The Elite or Blackpool Combat Club on there. And all of you missed the best faction in wrestling, Los Ingobernables de Japon. Oedo Tai also deserved an honorable mention at the very least. Would be really interested in what Tempests list would have looked like.
Dangerous alliance Manager - Paul e Valletta - medusa, FFS Top guy - Rick Rude Up and comer - Steve Austin! Work horse - Bobby Eaton Tag team - who else Arn Anderson and Larry Zabizco(also fills the Uber vet role) top guys out 🎙️
If your list doesn’t include the Horsemen, your list is invalid Every faction on these lists owe their existence to the Horsemen EVERY SINGLE ONE I get that they “weren’t around” but simply for the historical context if nothing else At least Sully has a brain
1:39 Just clarifying it’s their personal favourites. But I’d definitely agree Horsemen should be on the list if it were most important factions of all time, 100%. But for personal favourites they’re not on mine either. I appreciate what they did for faction wrestling, but I enjoy the people they’ve inspired more than I enjoy them.
I have two on my list that no one else would have. The menagerie and decay from tna. They never did anything near the top of the card, but the highlight of every show for me was when they came out.
The Patreon ad just forced me to comment...Ricky Steamboat won the NWA Heavyweight championship in 1989, back when it was still a legitimate title. There was real wrestling before 2006 guys!!. I'm so angry I have to buy into Patreon just to leave a comment!!...So I guess the advert was effective then, well done, I suppose. 😅
my list 10) Aces and Eights 9) Main Event Mafia 8) The Judgement Day 7) The Fambulos Freebirds 6) The Wyatt Family 5) The Heenan Family 4) DX 90s 3) The Hart Foundation 2) NWO 1) The Four Horsemen ( Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Barry Windham, Tull Blanchard and JJ Dillion)
Love the TLC videos! And I like that these are personal favourites lists, not just objectively the best or most important. Tbh I feel like that would be less interesting, but seeing what people love the most is so much more fun.
I don't even believe Dan believed his 10 pick was any good lol. Also Ese Rios had a phenomenal moonsault......Lita's was her flopping herself backwards....and then a lot of her wrestling like she was underwater lol
Needed Luke for this list. Some of the greats we could of got; Planet Jarrett Triple X Christian's Coalition LAX Team Canada The Beautiful People with Cute Kip Main Event Mafia 3 Live Kru
Not to mention Raven's Nest (ECW) The Flock (WCW) Serotonin (TNA) All Raven led factions Plus attitude era factions like The Minstry of Darkness The Brood (at one time part of the same faction) Right to Censor And The Oddities The last 2 included just to get a reaction lol
The historical value of the nWo and DX gets mentioned, but only one person recognizes it for the Four Horsemen? The group that is the reason factions exist? Shame.
10. Valkyrie (Shine Wrestling) This faction is special to me because this was my introduction to Shine Wrestling… seeing a legitimate all female wrestling faction was awesome and each of them were bad ass. Rain (the former Payton Banks in TNA) the inaugural Shine Champion assembled some of the best to ever rock in the indie scene… Allysin Kay, Ivellise, Taylor Made and April Hunter as the original cast… then adding later members like Su Yung, Tessa Blanchard, Serena Deeb and Momma Saraya, to me one of the greatest women’s factions of all time. 9.) S.C.U.M. This is special to me due to the fact that this was a part of my favorite era of Ring of honor. Kevin Owens (Steen) as Ring of Honor Champion, alongside Jimmy Jacobs, such a fun group especially after when they forced Steen out of the faction , then adding Matt Hardy who was getting into his creative bag as a wrestler with the Big Money Matt gimmick, then you have other elevated stars with Cliff Compton, Rhett Titus and Rhino as well. SCUM was just bad ass 8.) Toxic Attraction I love this group so much. This is indeed recency bias but I loved the collective of Mandy Rose, Jacy Jayne and Gigi Dolin. What a team, and it carried the NXT 2.0 era and paved the way for the likes of Roxanne to rise to the main event scene. Mandy took a calculated risk to basically come down and get demoted to being one of the greatest champions of all time for NXT, I’m sad that we may never get a reunion 7.) The Beautiful People I have to say this is TNAs second best faction of all time. They drew ratings, simply put. Were they all the greatest wrestlers, god no. But the chemistry between Angelina Love, Velvet Sky and Madison Rayne was excellent and they did run an entire division and you wanted to see them get their comeuppance and that’s what a heel faction should do 6.) Main Event Mafia I loved this faction. Is this a mixed bag, yes… did it jump the shark around 2009, yes. But the formation of the mafia was so cool. Sting wanting to show the young talent that you have to respect the people who came before whilst members within the faction wanting power, money and championships. Although it ended abruptly, it really helped elevated the likes of AJ Styles who was their biggest foe but he won Legends and TNA Gold become a grand slam champion. It gave us some of the best creative moments from the likes of Scott Steiner, Booker T, and Kevin Nash.. 5.) Undisputed Era I’ll say another recency bias selection but the team of Cole, Fish, O’Reilly and Strong was a fun faction and they were the big bad of NXTs deepest super indie era. They were charismatic, they can wrestle their asses off and they just go the hell in and it was such a fun time 4.) Bullet Club The most influential faction of the 21st century and it’s not even close. The fact that there’s such a massive presence of this faction between five different wrestling companies today is kinda unreal. AEW has the Bang Bang Gang, Kenny Omega, the Bucks, Hangman… WWE has Devitt, Guerillas of Destiny AJ Styles and the Good Brothers… TNA has Chris Bey and Ace Austin, New Japan still has the faction running… 3.) The Bloodline The best story, the chemistry, the history, the reign. Roman Reigns, the character development is just everything 2.) Four Horsemen 1.) Evolution I stand by this that Evolution is the spiritual successor of the Horsemen. The point of a faction is to elevate the youth within the faction and the fact that this group shares over 55 worlds championships between the four members is super cool. What the group did to elevate Batista and Randy Orton, it felt like a vivid prediction of the futures
As much as I respect everyone's lists in this video, I was surprised to not see The Elite mentioned! In a way, I guess you could tie it in with Bullet Club, but you could also argue that the combination of the Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, Adam Page, and Cody Rhodes absolutely changed the game when it comes to modern-day wrestling, presentation, and we're super influential with wrestling content UA-cam thanks to BTE. Even before the formation of AEW, The Elite were superstars in every promotion they invaded.
nWo will always beat the Bloodline for me. Cause The Bloodline ripped off a lot of the nWo playbook. 10.) Wolfpac (pure nostalgia pick) 9.) The New Day 8.) SHIELD 7.) Main Event Mafia 6.) The Flock/ Nest 5.) Unidisputed Era 4.) D-X (classic) 3.) Bullet Club 2.) Four Horseman 1.) nWo
When a faction comes up and they TRY to start singing the entrance theme. I could have swore they said Quiche first and not keys. and it's even funnier thinking that song is so garbled that they are singing about quiche is a chef's kiss of laughter.
I don't know what order mine would be, but I would focus on groups that not only succeeded but also elevated everyone in the group. With that, I'd say groups like Hart Foundation, DX, Undisputed Era, Bullet Club, and Four Horsemen would make the list, but the Top 5 would probably be 5. Bloodline (they were already big names, but the storyline was incredible) 4. The New Day (all three made themselves household names, had incredible success as a tag team, and saw two out of three become world champions) 3. nWo (iconic, but all three originals were huge names to begin with and the bloat practically killed a promotion) 2. SHIELD (had great success as a team, but became the faces of an entire generation of wrestling when they became singles stars) 1. Evolution (WWE's Four Horsemen take; wild success together and apart; all legends; one is a huge movie star, one went from killing legends to becoming his own, and one runs the entire company)
They're not old enough to really know how great the Horsemen were. And since they said from the get go that this was a personal list, not an historical one... I can accept it. Otherwise, though... Yeah! The Horsemen need to be on there.
As an older fan the horsemen are my favorite faction but Pete made me realize how impactful the Shield were on the industry as whole. I think it’s time to adjust my rankings.🤝🏾 Pete
10) Straight Edge Society(I'm surprised they didn't show up on anyone's answers) 9) Main Event Mafia 8) The Heenan Family, just a great legendary faction with Heenan at the helm. 7) Evolution 6) DX 5) NWO(the original) 4) Nation of Domination 3) The Pinacle 2) The Hart Foundation 1) The Four Horsemen
My Top 10 factions are: 1. Paul Heyman's Dangerous Alliance 2. The Four Horsemen 3. Evolution 4. nWo 5. The Hart Foundation 6. The Bloodline 7. Paul Ellering's Legion of Doom 8. Bullet Club 9. D-Generation X 10. The Nation of Domination
Add a possible idea for future episodes - top 10 best (and worst?) debuts - and if Luke was on the best one - how long before a TNA "Cross the line" reference😉🙈😅
My List 1. The Four Horseman (Ric Flair, Tully Blanchard, Arn Anderson, Ole Anderson & JJ Dillion) 2. N.W.O (1996-1998) 3. Evolution 4. The Shield 5. Bullet Club (2013-2018) 6. The New Day 7. The Hart Foundation 8. D-Generation X 9. The Fabulous Freebirds 10. The Beautiful People HM: The Undisputed Era
Bens punchline to the Ben is stupid bit. Chef kiss. 10/10
The way Pete couldn't process Sullivan's reaction to the Undisputed Era 😂😂
I don’t often think this but I spent that whole time thinking “Sullivan, shut up!”
And Dan gleefully stirring the pot: "it just doesn't sound like you do at all"
Undisputed Era are very good
@@zoulogist9171But not top ten.
@@DAMColtenCrazy that there’s more than 1 person who don’t think it’s insane to put them 3rd
Sully on the thumbnail... oh boy time to die laughing again 😂
After Brie Mode, his constipation during Survival Series 2 minutes in cause it's one of the last names he said and his disappointment in TNA's cupboards, he's my favourite behind Mr. OG Oli
literally every Sullivan Beau Brown video ever...dude is comedy gold really!
Absolutely love Sully!!
@@shawnbuchanan14absolutely him and oli also tempest too love him
@@Ghostlag Tempest is waaaaaaay too negative and debbie downer in my opinion. Critical of mostly everything, Surely you saw the original comments on the Wyatt Sick6 debut. Luke is my #3 instead
Sullivan is on fire this episode 🔥🔥🔥
Im so glad Pete can take a joke, he's a class act😂
He’s alright sometimes but I can’t stand his laugh
Sully just destroyed Pete with his reaction to the Undisputed Era
Pete Will definitely say Undisputed Era
Because they're valid 😂
It was number 3
Suggestions for future TLCs:
- Best/Worst Spot (for example MNM/The Hardy's spot that ends with Joey Mercury's bloody nose)
-Best/Worst Cena match (for the farewell tour of course)
I think The Fabulous Freebirds should have been on someones list. No other group has rules named after them.
DX would claim the Outlaw rule.
Surely also that would have opened the door to demolition and the new day, as they had excluded tag teams w manager
Freebirds were three wrestlers, no managers. (We don't talk about Jimmy Garvin and Sunshine.) New Day was three wrestlers, no managers.
Its mostly because these guys are like 7. The Horsemen show up on one list. Their promo for the Patreon with best wrestlers to never win a world championship has an NWA World Heavyweight Champion who won it in maybe the greatest trilogy of matches ever.
Bloodline rules don’t exist then 😂😉
Pete fully thought he was gonna kill it with UE at 3 😂😂. He was so confident before
The idea that Prince Devitt was the creator of the nexus point in pro wrestling that brought us where we are is incredible.
I can never read the middle one. Also listen during my commute. Would be great if they could say what’s on the board during their turn for audio listeners. Love these shows though !!
No Luke so I'm assuming no Main event Mafia, no Beautiful People, no Immortal and no Fortune
No Aces and Eights :(
@@AceTrainerLupi tbh I would put Main Event Mafia and Aces and Eights on my top 10
i mean Fortune and Immortal kinda sucked, The Beautiful People is like, top 20 but not top 10. I'd have Main Event Mafia on my list personally though.
I don't know if you know this, but Luke really likes TNA
No Flock either, you'd have to think he'd stick them in just for Raven
Just gonna say that Ricky Steamboat was WCW World Champion in 1989. This isn’t like Rick Rude having the Big Gold Belt when it wasn't *really* the World Title, he held the most prestigious title ever.
He was NWA world champion not WCW
@@kobylong605 It is the same Big Gold Belt in the company that was already called WCW. It means the same thing
I thought the same. Ricky Steamboat won a world championship in WCW.
Suggestion for TLC:
Best/Worst Jobber
Number 1 - the guy who got his head caved in by bron breakker on raw
Number 2: action Andretti 😂😂😂
Does anyone else feel like the Bullet Club and The Elite are two very separate factions at this point? I know that originally The Elite formed from Bullet Club, but honestly The Elite haven't really associated themselves with the wider faction of Bullet Club since The Bucks came out to the Bullet Club theme that time a few years ago. I just feel like you could do the Bullet Club and the Elite as two separate entries rather than just Bullet Club
I'm sorry but the 4 Horsemen only appeared one person's list of the greatest faction yet the Wyatt family appeared on all 3??? The Wyatt Family was nothing more than a catalyst for Bray. Also show some love for the Dangerous Alliance.
The Heenan Family might’ve been worth sneaking in at #10 on the odd list
Why these lists are pointless. They never go past early 2000's WWE/ 90s WcW. Despite the cat
@@jeremyburnet4855 ehh as much as I love Bobby Heenan, I dunno if I considered them a true "faction", the only time they seemed to be together was come time for Survivor Series matches.
@@adam.o8183 a good portion of the WT struggles with showing proper respect to anything before 2000 WWE. I mean I understand to a degree considering a majority of them didnt' start watching until then. Same hold true with old school TNA except for Luke. Personally I would have snuck in the Main Event Mafia into my top 10 as I've always had a soft spot for the early MEM vs TNA Originals feud before they added ECW to the TNA originals.
Imagine hearing them say this is a person list upward of 50 times and still taking time out of your day to comment about a faction that operated before any of these men watched wrestling.
15:35
I love the offscreen cameo by Tempest 😂 Providing knowledge for Dan!
Seth and Roman lost their respective World Titles on April 7th while Mox won the IWGP World Title on April 12th
So by 5 days not at the same time
Was there a period at some point during Roman Reigns' unending title run when Rollins had the other WWE championship, and Mox was AEW champion? Seems like that was a thing, but I don't pay enough attention to WWE to know for sure.
@@buckysinister No because Mox held the AEW title last in 2022
Rollins became the WHC not till 2023
For me, Bullet club has to be the number 1 faction if all time. Not only were they responsible for some of the biggest stories in New Japan, created great moments and were largly the precursor to aew, it was built on largely new stars, and turned them into dynamite. I would argue the Bullet club has THE BEST track record for creating stars, all 5 members of the elite, AJ, balor, adam cole, all of bullet club gold, and the group is still going strong on several promotions, to me they are the undisputed best
None of these guys mentioned TNA but BC have representation in all 3 major American promotions. Bang Bang Gang and Elite in AEW, OC in WWE and ABC in TNA.
There would be no Bullet Club if not for DX or NWO. The best bullet club could ever be is 3rd.
@john-wh6mz I don't really see the dx inspiration in bullet club, the whole point of the club is "we are dangerous and you need to take us seriously", dx is the exact opposite. The NWO are just a worse version of bullet club, NWO was built with pre existing stars and ultimately lowered alot of its members, the club was made from relatively smaller stars and made gold out of them. Just because NWO came first doesn't change the fact that bullet club did it better
I agree, but also disagree.
In the 90s, all you saw were Austin 3:16 shirt, nWo shirts, and DX shirts.
Then in the 2010s, all you see are Bullet Club shirts.
They definitely belong in the Top 3 for that reason alone. There were more Bullet Club shirts at a Wrestlemania than there were WWE shirts one year. They were the first non-WWE thing to go mainstream in the longest time. They deserve their place on the Mt Rushmore.
But you can't deny DX and nWo their place as well.
@@john-wh6mz There would have been no nWo if not for the Dungeon of Doom (think about it). That does not mean the Dungeon of Doom is better than them.
My opinion on sullivan this year has done a 180... I like to watch him now
I want to see how different this list would be if it was Steve or Larson, Oli, and Tempest.
For real.
An idea. Best/worst celebrity wrestlers.
Stephen Amell / Tyson Fury
Logan Paul / Dave Benson Phillips
That would be fun list.
I'm not surprised The Dangerous Alliance got left off, because they unfortunately usually are left off lists like these. A ridiculous amount of talent (Paul Heyman, Arn Anderson, Larry Zbyszko, Rick Rude, Steve Austin, Bobby Eaton, Madusa) that was severely hamstrung by the terrible booking/promoting that was early 90s WCW
This feels like a farewell tour for Dan. He's lately been in almost every video. Not complaining tho. Love it!
Is Dan leaving?
@@noahstewart5841I hope not he’s my favorite wrestletalker! 😭
Pete suffers from recency bias
He’s only seen recent wrestling.
It’s almost like he said that in the video😂😂😂😂
We're so back! Glad you decided to keep doing these!
Sully and dan are my new favorite duo in WT.
Bloodline might be the best story, but I'm not sure if I'd choose them as the best faction.
8:12 Sullivan's delivery is perfect 😂
It's always such a delight when Sullivan makes an appearance on these videos. The dude is so damn funny that it's criminal he doesn't get more screen time.
Considering Sullivan and Dan are the two most Chaotic Wrestletalk pals, the intro was shockingly smooth!
How Pete feels about the New Day is how I feel about my dog 😅 I just love em and he's the best.
sounds like he's the gooddest of boys
@@andrewsd.r.7180 he is the goodEST!!
Freebirds were the first Heel Stable I remember but they were a 3-man Tag team at the time. But the First True stables I remember were in WCCW Gen Scandar Akbar ( Devastation Inc.) and Gary Hart (H&H Ltd.) were managers BUT unlike the WWF the people they managed worked with each other. Von Erichs could be a stable also w/ Chris Adams.
Note I watched WWF and WCCW in the mid 80s.
Some possible future ideas
-10 Wrestling spots you would do
-10 Wrestling spots you couldn't be paid to do
-10 Wrestling booking decisions you would've changed
-10 Wrestling Matches you wish you could've been there in person to see
-10 Wrestlers who shouldn't have been pushed
-10 Wrestlers who deserve more respect
-10 Wrestlers who deserved better than they got
-Top 10 Wrestling video games
-Top 10 WrestleTalk Employees :3
This one really went off the rails. Nobody except Pete having Undisputed Era on there is already hard to take, but I am also very surprised that nobody had The Elite or Blackpool Combat Club on there.
And all of you missed the best faction in wrestling, Los Ingobernables de Japon.
Oedo Tai also deserved an honorable mention at the very least.
Would be really interested in what Tempests list would have looked like.
Dangerous alliance
Manager - Paul e
Valletta - medusa, FFS
Top guy - Rick Rude
Up and comer - Steve Austin!
Work horse - Bobby Eaton
Tag team - who else Arn Anderson and Larry Zabizco(also fills the Uber vet role) top guys out 🎙️
If your list doesn’t include the Horsemen, your list is invalid
Every faction on these lists owe their existence to the Horsemen
EVERY
SINGLE
ONE
I get that they “weren’t around” but simply for the historical context if nothing else
At least Sully has a brain
The Horsemen were "my" faction, but there's no Horsemen without the Freebirds.
@@jeremybillones3417 True
1:39 Just clarifying it’s their personal favourites.
But I’d definitely agree Horsemen should be on the list if it were most important factions of all time, 100%. But for personal favourites they’re not on mine either. I appreciate what they did for faction wrestling, but I enjoy the people they’ve inspired more than I enjoy them.
COUGH COUGH
PERSONAL LISTS
COUGH COUGH
I have two on my list that no one else would have. The menagerie and decay from tna. They never did anything near the top of the card, but the highlight of every show for me was when they came out.
11:19 "... and I remember saying to... [beat]... my mate, who was getting me back into wrestling..."
We know what name was nearly dropped there. 😂
Were Adam and Sully mates back in 2014? I mean it's possible I swear both of them have been working the Edinburgh Fringe for a decade
@@SomethingCreative20 when Adam was with the channel, Sully mentioned on videos that Adam had "dragged him back" to wrestling.
@@apocrypha5363 no way! Didn't know they went that far back
Rolldemort? Geddit cos of NRB?
Pete overhyping everything NXT related on all-time lists creates hilarious moments
The Patreon ad just forced me to comment...Ricky Steamboat won the NWA Heavyweight championship in 1989, back when it was still a legitimate title. There was real wrestling before 2006 guys!!. I'm so angry I have to buy into Patreon just to leave a comment!!...So I guess the advert was effective then, well done, I suppose. 😅
4:52 it’s funny to me when you think about it I think we can say Summer Rae made Sasha Banks and Charlotte Flair famous.
I love this group, please bring Sullivan in as the fourth for next season of Monday Night War that would be unbelievable
Love this video. I think a hard video would be top 10 Wrestling Families
This is my favourite TLC² video so far, and probably my favourite WT video too; This was absolute gold
Shocked no TNA factions were mentioned. M.E.M and Fourtine where great
I was thinking the same thing, we need Luke for the TNA favourites 😂
Paparazzi Productions too
my list
10) Aces and Eights
9) Main Event Mafia
8) The Judgement Day
7) The Fambulos Freebirds
6) The Wyatt Family
5) The Heenan Family
4) DX 90s
3) The Hart Foundation
2) NWO
1) The Four Horsemen ( Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Barry Windham, Tull Blanchard and JJ Dillion)
Perfect list in my opinion
is bloodline not top 10 ?
@@rishabhsingh8210 just missed out
No Evolution, must've passed you by
Not the Four Horseman?
Seeing Dan and Sullivan interact is like seeing my two favorite teachers talking to each other
23:22 “their great, their great”. Thought my UA-cam was buffering hearing the same again and again 😂😂
By far the best episode of TLC!!! I love this trio so much!!
Love the TLC videos! And I like that these are personal favourites lists, not just objectively the best or most important. Tbh I feel like that would be less interesting, but seeing what people love the most is so much more fun.
I don't even believe Dan believed his 10 pick was any good lol. Also Ese Rios had a phenomenal moonsault......Lita's was her flopping herself backwards....and then a lot of her wrestling like she was underwater lol
They knew Luke would be too powerful for this episode 😂
Boys! The timing! I’m just wasting time before Berlin tonight and you give me a TLC to watch. Thank you lads!
Pete forgot about Ace Austin and Chris Bey in TNA representing Bullet Club.
Needed Luke for this list. Some of the greats we could of got;
Planet Jarrett
Triple X
Christian's Coalition
LAX
Team Canada
The Beautiful People with Cute Kip
Main Event Mafia
3 Live Kru
Not to mention
Raven's Nest (ECW)
The Flock (WCW)
Serotonin (TNA)
All Raven led factions
Plus attitude era factions like
The Minstry of Darkness
The Brood (at one time part of the same faction)
Right to Censor
And
The Oddities
The last 2 included just to get a reaction lol
Absolutely best trio for this show! Could watch hours and hours of this!
Love the shirt, Dan!! I want one, lol. Great job, as usual, boys!
"They're great, they're great" -Sullivan responding to Pete's Undisputed Era pick😂😂😂
judgement day above bullet club is actually insane
The historical value of the nWo and DX gets mentioned, but only one person recognizes it for the Four Horsemen? The group that is the reason factions exist? Shame.
That's why this video is wrong!! There are no factions without the Horsemen.
10. Valkyrie (Shine Wrestling)
This faction is special to me because this was my introduction to Shine Wrestling… seeing a legitimate all female wrestling faction was awesome and each of them were bad ass. Rain (the former Payton Banks in TNA) the inaugural Shine Champion assembled some of the best to ever rock in the indie scene… Allysin Kay, Ivellise, Taylor Made and April Hunter as the original cast… then adding later members like Su Yung, Tessa Blanchard, Serena Deeb and Momma Saraya, to me one of the greatest women’s factions of all time.
9.) S.C.U.M.
This is special to me due to the fact that this was a part of my favorite era of Ring of honor. Kevin Owens (Steen) as Ring of Honor Champion, alongside Jimmy Jacobs, such a fun group especially after when they forced Steen out of the faction , then adding Matt Hardy who was getting into his creative bag as a wrestler with the Big Money Matt gimmick, then you have other elevated stars with Cliff Compton,
Rhett Titus and Rhino as well. SCUM was just bad ass
8.) Toxic Attraction
I love this group so much. This is indeed recency bias but I loved the collective of Mandy Rose, Jacy Jayne and Gigi Dolin. What a team, and it carried the NXT 2.0 era and paved the way for the likes of Roxanne to rise to the main event scene. Mandy took a calculated risk to basically come down and get demoted to being one of the greatest champions of all time for NXT, I’m sad that we may never get a reunion
7.) The Beautiful People
I have to say this is TNAs second best faction of all time. They drew ratings, simply put. Were they all the greatest wrestlers, god no. But the chemistry between Angelina Love, Velvet Sky and Madison Rayne was excellent and they did run an entire division and you wanted to see them get their comeuppance and that’s what a heel faction should do
6.) Main Event Mafia
I loved this faction. Is this a mixed bag, yes… did it jump the shark around 2009, yes. But the formation of the mafia was so cool. Sting wanting to show the young talent that you have to respect the people who came before whilst members within the faction wanting power, money and championships. Although it ended abruptly, it really helped elevated the likes of AJ Styles who was their biggest foe but he won Legends and TNA Gold become a grand slam champion. It gave us some of the best creative moments from the likes of Scott Steiner, Booker T, and Kevin Nash..
5.) Undisputed Era
I’ll say another recency bias selection but the team of Cole, Fish, O’Reilly and Strong was a fun faction and they were the big bad of NXTs deepest super indie era. They were charismatic, they can wrestle their asses off and they just go the hell in and it was such a fun time
4.) Bullet Club
The most influential faction of the 21st century and it’s not even close. The fact that there’s such a massive presence of this faction between five different wrestling companies today is kinda unreal. AEW has the Bang Bang Gang, Kenny Omega, the Bucks, Hangman… WWE has Devitt, Guerillas of Destiny AJ Styles and the Good Brothers… TNA has Chris Bey and Ace Austin, New Japan still has the faction running…
3.) The Bloodline
The best story, the chemistry, the history, the reign. Roman Reigns, the character development is just everything
2.) Four Horsemen
1.) Evolution
I stand by this that Evolution is the spiritual successor of the Horsemen. The point of a faction is to elevate the youth within the faction and the fact that this group shares over 55 worlds championships between the four members is super cool. What the group did to elevate Batista and Randy Orton, it felt like a vivid prediction of the futures
As much as I respect everyone's lists in this video, I was surprised to not see The Elite mentioned! In a way, I guess you could tie it in with Bullet Club, but you could also argue that the combination of the Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, Adam Page, and Cody Rhodes absolutely changed the game when it comes to modern-day wrestling, presentation, and we're super influential with wrestling content UA-cam thanks to BTE. Even before the formation of AEW, The Elite were superstars in every promotion they invaded.
I'm shocked no AEW factions appeared tbh
We need a TLC on the best NXT Takeover matches
This is a great three people to host together, so funny together. Will miss you Dan
nWo will always beat the Bloodline for me. Cause The Bloodline ripped off a lot of the nWo playbook.
10.) Wolfpac (pure nostalgia pick)
9.) The New Day
8.) SHIELD
7.) Main Event Mafia
6.) The Flock/ Nest
5.) Unidisputed Era
4.) D-X (classic)
3.) Bullet Club
2.) Four Horseman
1.) nWo
I’m actually glad Dan said BFFs. I had to rewind because I thought people forgot about them 😂
When a faction comes up and they TRY to start singing the entrance theme. I could have swore they said Quiche first and not keys. and it's even funnier thinking that song is so garbled that they are singing about quiche is a chef's kiss of laughter.
i’m loving all this Dan content, what a lovely man
Sullivan, a big fan of JJ Dillon, the 4 horse man.
Ben with an amazing sidebar joke. So good, it had to be left in the edit.
I wanna play that wrestling RPG as a Ric Flair called the 4 horse man.
1. Four Horseman 2. nWo. 3. New Day. 4. The Shield. 5. Bullet Club
I don't know what order mine would be, but I would focus on groups that not only succeeded but also elevated everyone in the group. With that, I'd say groups like Hart Foundation, DX, Undisputed Era, Bullet Club, and Four Horsemen would make the list, but the Top 5 would probably be
5. Bloodline (they were already big names, but the storyline was incredible)
4. The New Day (all three made themselves household names, had incredible success as a tag team, and saw two out of three become world champions)
3. nWo (iconic, but all three originals were huge names to begin with and the bloat practically killed a promotion)
2. SHIELD (had great success as a team, but became the faces of an entire generation of wrestling when they became singles stars)
1. Evolution (WWE's Four Horsemen take; wild success together and apart; all legends; one is a huge movie star, one went from killing legends to becoming his own, and one runs the entire company)
the four horseman, Bryan Children
These lists make me sad, Dan doesn't have 4 Horsemen but has the BFF's???
Not including the Horsemen is asinine
They're not old enough to really know how great the Horsemen were. And since they said from the get go that this was a personal list, not an historical one... I can accept it. Otherwise, though... Yeah! The Horsemen need to be on there.
La Familia deserves to be in the conversation. Often forgotten, always underrated
As an older fan the horsemen are my favorite faction but Pete made me realize how impactful the Shield were on the industry as whole. I think it’s time to adjust my rankings.🤝🏾 Pete
I want to see Luke's top 10. I'm guessing "The Flock' are on there, plus several TNA factions.
Sully boy, you're a blessing to have on wrestling UA-cam!
Wow!! 😮 I'm absolutely stunned at the lack of respect from these three for THE FOUR HORSEMAN!!
Can someone please make a "Bill Itclub : The Four Horseman" t shirt!!!
Sad to see no Los Ignorables, Von Erich or Imperium mention 😢
Much love fam you guys are so awesome ❤
No Aces & Eights, no LAX, no Main Event Mafia, no Beautiful People…
10) Straight Edge Society(I'm surprised they didn't show up on anyone's answers)
9) Main Event Mafia
8) The Heenan Family, just a great legendary faction with Heenan at the helm.
7) Evolution
6) DX
5) NWO(the original)
4) Nation of Domination
3) The Pinacle
2) The Hart Foundation
1) The Four Horsemen
Evolution is 4horsemen WWE version. It would be appropriate to have put these 2 together as the same stable. (Example OC and Bullet Club)
You three match so perfect! Laughed my ass off 😂💚
This could be a all timer for Gags
From Stupid Ben to the Four Horse Man and Bill It Club
This birthed absolute gems
*Sees Dan AND Sullivan
Me: " Oh this is gonna be the most positive episode yet!"
My Top 10 factions are:
1. Paul Heyman's Dangerous Alliance
2. The Four Horsemen
3. Evolution
4. nWo
5. The Hart Foundation
6. The Bloodline
7. Paul Ellering's Legion of Doom
8. Bullet Club
9. D-Generation X
10. The Nation of Domination
it was reslly fun, I hope you do a worst list as well
The fact only one of you mentioned the four horsemen makes me SICK! You the best Sullivan!
HHH needs more credit for the Undispited Era. They tried a bootleg version of it in AEW and it was just totally forgettable.
They were also hurt , don’t forget that
It's a tie for me because my personal favorite is between DX and Evolution
TLC videos with Sullivan are goated and should be mandatory.
I can’t believe that The Apple did not make the list. Super underrated
Add a possible idea for future episodes - top 10 best (and worst?) debuts - and if Luke was on the best one - how long before a TNA "Cross the line" reference😉🙈😅
My List
1. The Four Horseman (Ric Flair, Tully Blanchard, Arn Anderson, Ole Anderson & JJ Dillion)
2. N.W.O (1996-1998)
3. Evolution
4. The Shield
5. Bullet Club (2013-2018)
6. The New Day
7. The Hart Foundation
8. D-Generation X
9. The Fabulous Freebirds
10. The Beautiful People
HM: The Undisputed Era
This is the beginning of (stupid) Ben’s supervillain origin story