The worst part is, Bobby only interacts with the top 5% of the arbiters in the world. So by him saying that 95% of arbiters are useless, he really means 99.5% of arbiters are useless.
As a team your commentary and analysis are second to none, and the "two GMs hanging out" format is perfect. I'm up for any topic that you two find interesting.
Since the king on h6 is already kind of boxed in, white comfortably avoids the 50 move rule. Nxh5, Bd8 is mate in around 30 moves. But black loses the knight in 18.
@@manuthefourthI’ve already seen this endgame before and you can play bg6 instead of bc2 and you can play bh4 instead of d8. The trick is to trap the horse and pick it up while boxing in the king. But I already seen this exact endgame.
Regarding 2 Bishops vs 1 Knight: Some positions are called "cursed wins" because with best play by both sides they take more than 50 moves for the winning side to checkmate, capture a piece or move a pawn. If not for the 50-move rule, the game would be won using table bases. What Christian has suggested about changing the rule to 75 moves, actually WAS changed by FIDE in the 1990s, and a short catalogue of positions was in the rules that it applied to. Some time later the rule was changed back to the 50-move rule. A position like the following takes more than 50 moves to checkmate or capture the Knight: 7B/6n1/8/4k3/8/7B/8/K7 b - - 0 1
As fabi said 2 Bishops vs 1 Knight checkmate possible in 75 moves at best if someone play perfect moves which practically it's impossible even for any supper GM
@@satarkhan3692 I’ve already seen this endgame before and you can play bg6 instead of bc2 and you can play bh4 instead of d8. The trick is to trap the horse and pick it up while boxing in the king. But I already seen this exact endgame. Its less than 50 in this posision bc you Get the knight and you keep the king trapped so you even Get a extra 50 moves
I am surprised Fabi says he is no expert in tablebases: They are arguably the simplest computer aid there is, conceptually speaking. A tablebase is just a collection of posiitons with perfect evaluations: We know certain positions are checkmates, and then which positions are mate in-one, because there is one move than transitions the position to checkmate. Keep doing that forever, and you have a tablebase: Trivial to do for all positions of, say, tic-tac-toe (the way we teach it), but in chess, it's harder. we limit ourselves to a certain number of pieces, because we just lack the computer resources to store said evaluation for every single possible position with either player to move. So we just kept increasing our calculations adding pieces, growing the size of the tablebase. If we have a tablebase for all possible 7 piece moves, every capture of an 8 piece position leads to a perfect calculation. There's complexities in how to grow the tablebase efficiently, but as far as what it is, once it exists, it's not too bad: a collection of evaluation that is guaranteed to be correct with perfect play from both sides.
I’ve already seen this endgame before and you can play bg6 instead of bc2 and you can play bh4 instead of d8. The trick is to trap the horse and pick it up while boxing in the king. But I already seen this exact endgame.
Back in the old analog clock days, we had little idea how much time was actually left. Towards the end, slamming the clock extra hard to get the little flag to fall was commonplace.
Small preface: We need one arbiter per team for our local OTB league and for this reason I made the lowest FIDE arbiter rank, so I felt compelled to leave a comment. The rules are designed to be very simple, so even some low-rated 1500 arbiter should be able to enforce them, which is why any theoretical knowledge of endgames is kept at a bare minimum. Also the players should be given a chance to try and play for a win in endgames that are theoretical draws according to table bases (e.g. R+B vs R). Btw. table bases are just brute force as in they have all possible positions stored. Once a player flagged, it's only a draw if the opponent can't win by any means, which includes any possible helpmate. The Fide rules strongly encourage to use additional time per move avoid those time scramble situations. And an important part of the rules was left completely untouched in the video: The possibility of a player to claim a draw according to quickplay finish rules: 'A player may claim a draw when he has less than two minutes left on his clock and before his flag falls. This concludes the game. He may claim on the basis: a.) that his opponent cannot win by normal means , and/or b.) that his opponent has been making no effort to win by normal means.' Unless tournament specific rules don't allow the quickplay finish rules, I don't see any good reason an arbiter would reject a claim for a draw in any of the three time scramble once their opponent was down to a single minor piece. But the players have to realized they are too low on time to keep trying to win make a claim for a draw. The arbiter will only interfere when he is called or a player has flagged.
That rule sounds like shite though? That you believe the game to be a draw is irrelevant because what matters is whether you "actually" don't make any mistakes under time pressure. Just because you don't believe you are going to helpmate yourself doesn't mean lower elo players don't do this all the time or it happens by accident. Second, wtf does it matter the other player is making no effort to win? If they want to just play non-committal moves while objectively winning, that is just giving themselves more chances to screw up their winning position, it is a stupid decision but still a valid option especially if they are trying to flag (in which case, the problem is your time management, not them just playing lots of unimportant moves quickly). And if the person up massive material and totally winning has spend all their time tying to win on the board, and has failed to figure out the correct method and is now facing being flagged themselves, well, that was their own time management which is to blame, why should they be allowed to just auto-bail out just because the other guy only has a handful of pieces left?
@@GameOfCheckmates ? Yes? Stating the obvious? Nihal got a draw because there was a weird and obscure no-increment FIDE rule. At no point have I disputed that. I have said I think the rule is beyond stupid, should be immediately scrapped, and Nihal certainly deserved to lose. I think my whole point revolves around the fact that this rule is why he didn't lose. And rules can be changed for future events.
Anytime Alireza wins or Magnus gets defeated , the social media tries Its hardest to undermine the skill and brilliance of Alireza.. if it was another way around, today's conversation would have been completely different
It's hard to imagine Magnus doing anything different from what Alireza did in that position. And it's equally hard to imagine the video titled 'Magnus Dirty Flags Alireza...' in that scenario. I like Fabi a lot, but Chirila ...
Flag does makes sense since it is a team game and point format is different 4 points if black win, 3 points if white wine draw gives 1 point each. Format feels exciting for me atleast.
I’ve already seen this endgame before and you can play bg6 instead of bc2 and you can play bh4 instead of d8. The trick is to trap the horse and pick it up while boxing in the king. But I already seen this exact endgame.
can someone explain why it was declared a loss for Carlsen? According to FIDE rules (Article 6.9 of the Laws of Chess), "if a player runs out of time, they lose unless their opponent does not have sufficient material to force checkmate" and Firouzja does not have enough material to "force" a checkmate. Your opponent (Carlsen in this case) has to help him to set up a position to achieve checkmate. In prior rulings this was not cosidered enough to qualify as forcing. So why now?
I'm not sure which version of the rules you are referring to, but in the one that's currently used, 6.9 says "the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves".
I don't know if you agree with me but I believe GOAT always play his best games against Alireza and his accuracy rate is usually higher than vs playing against other opponents
Maybe playing with 1s delay is the way to make no increment OTB chess more fair/viable and would allow players to overcome the physical limitations of no premoves.
Couple of things, first an anecdote. I was at the 1996 Western States Open in Reno where Walter Browne had this 2B v N endgame against Anthony Saidy. Browne won, but it took him well past the scheduled start of the final round, so they changed the time controls the next year. :) Also, disagreeing with all who prefer the shorter time controls (of which this tournament has the most ridiculous since it's otb). The only reason to watch ultra strong chess players is to marvel at their mastery, not their blunders. So I will always prefer classical chess. I get why players like shorter controls, I would have loved to work 2 hours a week instead of 40, but shorter controls aren't nearly as entertaining for me.
Alireza did what he had to do. He's there to use every opportunity for the win. Now, me personally, I think this kind of scramble over the board is just ugly and I don't see the beauty of chess in it. Winning or losing in this kind of situation means nothing to me. No increment over the board is just dumb imo.
Should have pushed through to get in at Season 1 itself. MVL could have been replaced by him but MVL lead his team to the final in Season 1, how can you replace him. Now maybe once the league is expanded with more teams. This could become a league like IPL or European Football ones.
It's also a team event...alireza shouldnt offer draw when there is no risk of losing and you can flag...it's 3 more points for the team to win with black in comparison to a draw.
Not dirty flag, Magnus has flagged or won many drawish finals, only pushing time and playing fast. This is 100% fair. Many people think only Magnus can do whatever he wants or feels, status bias.
Alireza didn't actually drop the queen. If you watch it frame by frame, you can see that it was already falling after Magnus placed it, Alireza didn't touch it. This game was kind of fair in my opinion, Nodirbek - Vidit was horrible, they were just throwing pieces xd
I’ve seen exactly this engame before and you can play bishop h4 bd8 or many other moves like bg6 instead of bc2. Its a nice endgame but I’ve seen exactly this posision before :// the trick is to make black loose his knight and the same time keep black king boxed in. hmm zugzwang hard endgame to go for. Did they already play this or what? I knew bh4 was a move instant and ofc it is. And bg6 also. Like be1 is cleaner but I felt like I already have seen this exact game before.
Increment all the way. It is hard enough to physically move the pieces with a 1 or 2 second increment, but it is all still chess at that point. With no increment at some point you are literally blundering everything because paying attention to the board simply doesn't matter compared to saving 0.5 seconds a move.
If they did intervene during the time scramble, wouldn't that end up giving the side with less time unfair advantage? All of the sudden they have time to think, which they didn't before.
That was one of the greatest and clever'st move by Alireza , he's a 🦊 🤌🏻❤️👍🏻 !!! He had to factor : 1) Magnus's queen 2) His and Magnus's time 3) win for his team I feel, it's wrong to call it a "dirty flag" !
@@nishantbirari9300 It's a dirty flag because he was playing with a losing position when the game was flagged. In reality there was no real way for him to win other than flagging Magnus. Yes it's part of the rules and nobody is saying that he didn't win because of it. It's not like Magnus quit the tournament and called Alireza a cheater and then memes started to pop up and the international media picked it up....
It was mentioned in the podcast that Firozja's movement caused Magnus's chess piece to fall, while in the movie you see that Magnus himself does not move the king correctly and then it falls. ua-cam.com/video/hjwYOzJLJFM/v-deo.htmlsi=gnHjU1e0zBxa_DMC&t=630
disagree with christian, i mean alireza abslutely deserved to win, he played better moves with the time he had, and won a time scramble, i just disagree that fans want this. i'm an avid chess spectator, not a great player, but i have zero interest in watching two people try to flag each other. else i would just watch naka streams all day and night. this is not so interesting is it?
Fabi is making a mistake by saying it would have been a win for Alireza independent of if he captured the queen or not. Because if he would have captured the queen, it was knight Vs Bishop, and it is officially a draw. Magnus didn't need to recapture the knight to claim the draw!
@@IliaAzadi It might seems counter intuitive indeed but Fabi was right. knight vs bishop is not officialy a draw because it is still possible to checkmate for the side that has the knight.
If there's a possibility no matter what the likelyhood it happening then it's not a draw. If the Bishop wasn't there then it's a draw because a knight can only attack one colour at a time. With a bishop the bishop can occupy the square that the knight isn't attacking creating a checkmate in the corner.
@@answeris4217 True, but the explanation is kind of weird. The knight has to deliver checkmate, so it doesn't control any of the three squares the cornered king could move to. But black's king can control two of these squares. That's why you need the white bishop to occupy the last square for the checkmate to happen.
@@freyc1 I doubt this checkmate will happen in competition. You need the opponent to actively get his king cornered and have his bishop come in to block his king while the knight is in phase to make a checkmate.
The dirty flag win is not dirty, The top level player are getting to way to soft when it comes to time trouble, by using Time increment as a life line helping hand, salvation a rescue!! Us lower ratted players not learning about time increment
Why did Magnus pick up his own king. It was Alizera's move. Alireza should restore the the king on his time. And if Alireza presses the clock, then Magnus should pause the clock and call the arbiter with his king being knocked off the board by Alizera. Of course the players have no trust in the arbiters. So they don't. BTW, it makes no sense to play zero increment blitz on a real board. Why do it? Even the top players don't actually practice how to move fast and don't know what the rules are either.
This title is stupid. Alireza was trying to save the game. Magnus knew he was low on time. He could have repeated and drawn the game. If Alireza had more time and would have rejected to repeat from a lost position, it would be flagging dirty. In fact this title is click bait rather than the player being dirty
I don’t understand what is Christian’s problem with Ali-Reza wins specially over Magnus, Hikaru and Fabi. This time calling it dirty and in the discussion pushing for it a lot of times even when Fabi did not agree with him. The king dropped for instance was Alireza’s not Magnus and they did about six or seven moves in less than 10 seconds. The reality is they both played well and in time scramble made mistakes and finally Ali won because of the rules. If you have problem with the rules, call that dirty and do not insult such a top and honest player with a style that is always entertaining and aggressive even though sometimes causes him losses
It's called a dirty flag because Alireza was in a completely losing position and flagged Magnus. Was it unfair... no it was the rules of the tournament and both players could have won if they both had 20 minutes to win.
What video were you watching little bro? Cristian was obviously on Alireza’s side on this one. Dirty flagging is just a way of saying he flagged him in a worse position, there’s no implication by him that what he did was dirty. All part of the ruleset.
Full video about the 2019 game where Firouzja flagged and Magnus won with only a bishop. Firouzja and (another useless) arbiter thought it was a draw, Magnus knew it was a win. Grischuk even wandered by and explained it was a win! ua-cam.com/video/_xrYzfVBKf0/v-deo.htmlsi=EMM5vMhaTb6UKnh6 Firouzja filed an appeal and said that Magnus swore, the clock malfunctioned, and the dog ate his homework.
Are you stupid? Like seriously? In 2019 they had increment, but this time they don't.And people are criticising the no increment rule.Stupid,delusional alireza fanboy
you can't penalize a player for making an accident? wtf? every mistake is an accident, or do you make mistakes on purpose? in sports, every turnover is an accident, should they blow the whistle and let the team that had a lapse in control have a another turn?
Fabi saying 95% of arbiters are useless is one of his strongest statements I've heard.
Christians father is an arbiter
It's also unfair. There should always be increment OTB imo. It's literally impossible to judge a mess like this
@@michaeloconnor6264 he's in 6%
The worst part is, Bobby only interacts with the top 5% of the arbiters in the world. So by him saying that 95% of arbiters are useless, he really means 99.5% of arbiters are useless.
The Magnus-Alireza time scramble was calm and dignified compared to the Nodirbek-Vidit game. Totally absurd shenanigans.
They weren’t even making real moves in that.
I am just here to support Fabi's business venture: Just Soup by Fabiano Caruana(tm).
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As a team your commentary and analysis are second to none, and the "two GMs hanging out" format is perfect. I'm up for any topic that you two find interesting.
A 1 second increment would do no harm to this tournament.
not so sure someone like Hikaru or Alireza would risk getting more time thna he started from LOL
@@giaccomusic haha.. but u can certainly get the increments started after 30 or 40 moves.
as usual, Fabis commentary is just really fun to listen to, thanks as usual guys
Since the king on h6 is already kind of boxed in, white comfortably avoids the 50 move rule.
Nxh5, Bd8 is mate in around 30 moves. But black loses the knight in 18.
only guy who responded.
@@manuthefourthI’ve already seen this endgame before and you can play bg6 instead of bc2 and you can play bh4 instead of d8. The trick is to trap the horse and pick it up while boxing in the king. But I already seen this exact endgame.
VAR in chess is wild. Wanna see a king flying in the air in slo-mo and 360 degrees😂
VAR?
@@ClarkPotter video assistant referee
Why not? 💨
@@csqpod Jan Henric Buettner is the only man that has a great chance to implement this 😆
Regarding 2 Bishops vs 1 Knight: Some positions are called "cursed wins" because with best play by both sides they take more than 50 moves for the winning side to checkmate, capture a piece or move a pawn. If not for the 50-move rule, the game would be won using table bases.
What Christian has suggested about changing the rule to 75 moves, actually WAS changed by FIDE in the 1990s, and a short catalogue of positions was in the rules that it applied to. Some time later the rule was changed back to the 50-move rule.
A position like the following takes more than 50 moves to checkmate or capture the Knight:
7B/6n1/8/4k3/8/7B/8/K7 b - - 0 1
As fabi said 2 Bishops vs 1 Knight checkmate possible in 75 moves at best if someone play perfect moves which practically it's impossible even for any supper GM
@@satarkhan3692 I’ve already seen this endgame before and you can play bg6 instead of bc2 and you can play bh4 instead of d8. The trick is to trap the horse and pick it up while boxing in the king. But I already seen this exact endgame. Its less than 50 in this posision bc you Get the knight and you keep the king trapped so you even Get a extra 50 moves
It is nice that you guys are doing more content, best duo in chess👏🏻
More to come!
40 minutes of interesting conversation about time scrambles. Yes please 😊
Same! :D
The game analysis was great. I hope you make it a regular feature in every podcast to analyse a game that catches your attention.
Fabi is basically polite with everyone, but no mercy at all for arbiters 😂
I am surprised Fabi says he is no expert in tablebases: They are arguably the simplest computer aid there is, conceptually speaking.
A tablebase is just a collection of posiitons with perfect evaluations: We know certain positions are checkmates, and then which positions are mate in-one, because there is one move than transitions the position to checkmate. Keep doing that forever, and you have a tablebase: Trivial to do for all positions of, say, tic-tac-toe (the way we teach it), but in chess, it's harder. we limit ourselves to a certain number of pieces, because we just lack the computer resources to store said evaluation for every single possible position with either player to move. So we just kept increasing our calculations adding pieces, growing the size of the tablebase. If we have a tablebase for all possible 7 piece moves, every capture of an 8 piece position leads to a perfect calculation.
There's complexities in how to grow the tablebase efficiently, but as far as what it is, once it exists, it's not too bad: a collection of evaluation that is guaranteed to be correct with perfect play from both sides.
I’ve already seen this endgame before and you can play bg6 instead of bc2 and you can play bh4 instead of d8. The trick is to trap the horse and pick it up while boxing in the king. But I already seen this exact endgame.
Back in the old analog clock days, we had little idea how much time was actually left. Towards the end, slamming the clock extra hard to get the little flag to fall was commonplace.
Small preface: We need one arbiter per team for our local OTB league and for this reason I made the lowest FIDE arbiter rank, so I felt compelled to leave a comment.
The rules are designed to be very simple, so even some low-rated 1500 arbiter should be able to enforce them, which is why any theoretical knowledge of endgames is kept at a bare minimum. Also the players should be given a chance to try and play for a win in endgames that are theoretical draws according to table bases (e.g. R+B vs R). Btw. table bases are just brute force as in they have all possible positions stored.
Once a player flagged, it's only a draw if the opponent can't win by any means, which includes any possible helpmate. The Fide rules strongly encourage to use additional time per move avoid those time scramble situations.
And an important part of the rules was left completely untouched in the video: The possibility of a player to claim a draw according to quickplay finish rules: 'A player may claim a draw when he has less than two minutes left on his clock and before his flag falls. This concludes the game. He may claim on the basis: a.) that his opponent cannot win by normal means , and/or b.) that his opponent has been making no effort to win by normal means.'
Unless tournament specific rules don't allow the quickplay finish rules, I don't see any good reason an arbiter would reject a claim for a draw in any of the three time scramble once their opponent was down to a single minor piece. But the players have to realized they are too low on time to keep trying to win make a claim for a draw. The arbiter will only interfere when he is called or a player has flagged.
That rule sounds like shite though? That you believe the game to be a draw is irrelevant because what matters is whether you "actually" don't make any mistakes under time pressure. Just because you don't believe you are going to helpmate yourself doesn't mean lower elo players don't do this all the time or it happens by accident. Second, wtf does it matter the other player is making no effort to win? If they want to just play non-committal moves while objectively winning, that is just giving themselves more chances to screw up their winning position, it is a stupid decision but still a valid option especially if they are trying to flag (in which case, the problem is your time management, not them just playing lots of unimportant moves quickly).
And if the person up massive material and totally winning has spend all their time tying to win on the board, and has failed to figure out the correct method and is now facing being flagged themselves, well, that was their own time management which is to blame, why should they be allowed to just auto-bail out just because the other guy only has a handful of pieces left?
@@rowanmales3430the rule can sound like anything, the reality is that it is the rule.
@@GameOfCheckmates ? Yes? Stating the obvious? Nihal got a draw because there was a weird and obscure no-increment FIDE rule. At no point have I disputed that. I have said I think the rule is beyond stupid, should be immediately scrapped, and Nihal certainly deserved to lose. I think my whole point revolves around the fact that this rule is why he didn't lose. And rules can be changed for future events.
Anytime Alireza wins or Magnus gets defeated , the social media tries Its hardest to undermine the skill and brilliance of Alireza.. if it was another way around, today's conversation would have been completely different
tha same story always with Magnus, its all filled with fanboys that think only he can win, and if he loses its not fair or something.
It's hard to imagine Magnus doing anything different from what Alireza did in that position. And it's equally hard to imagine the video titled 'Magnus Dirty Flags Alireza...' in that scenario. I like Fabi a lot, but Chirila ...
Aside from being one of the greatest chess players, fabi is a sincere and lovable human, quite rare in professional chess scene!
Well said ... he's the 'sweetheart of chess', except when you're playing him lol. Ouch!
fabi couldn't care less but keeps the content flowing
Flag does makes sense since it is a team game and point format is different 4 points if black win, 3 points if white wine draw gives 1 point each. Format feels exciting for me atleast.
That was a very intense game!
25:30
According to Tables, if King captures it is checkmate in 31 moves with perfect play
If knight captures, 29 moves to checkmate
I’ve already seen this endgame before and you can play bg6 instead of bc2 and you can play bh4 instead of d8. The trick is to trap the horse and pick it up while boxing in the king. But I already seen this exact endgame.
can someone explain why it was declared a loss for Carlsen? According to FIDE rules (Article 6.9 of the Laws of Chess), "if a player runs out of time, they lose unless their opponent does not have sufficient material to force checkmate" and Firouzja does not have enough material to "force" a checkmate. Your opponent (Carlsen in this case) has to help him to set up a position to achieve checkmate. In prior rulings this was not cosidered enough to qualify as forcing. So why now?
I'm not sure which version of the rules you are referring to, but in the one that's currently used, 6.9 says "the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves".
16:50 Fabi dismisses Chesscom's Stockfish.
I don't know if you agree with me but I believe GOAT always play his best games against Alireza and his accuracy rate is usually higher than vs playing against other opponents
Maybe playing with 1s delay is the way to make no increment OTB chess more fair/viable and would allow players to overcome the physical limitations of no premoves.
Wish these were at leasst 5 hours but i love what we get ❤
Couple of things, first an anecdote. I was at the 1996 Western States Open in Reno where Walter Browne had this 2B v N endgame against Anthony Saidy. Browne won, but it took him well past the scheduled start of the final round, so they changed the time controls the next year. :)
Also, disagreeing with all who prefer the shorter time controls (of which this tournament has the most ridiculous since it's otb). The only reason to watch ultra strong chess players is to marvel at their mastery, not their blunders. So I will always prefer classical chess. I get why players like shorter controls, I would have loved to work 2 hours a week instead of 40, but shorter controls aren't nearly as entertaining for me.
Alireza did what he had to do. He's there to use every opportunity for the win.
Now, me personally, I think this kind of scramble over the board is just ugly and I don't see the beauty of chess in it. Winning or losing in this kind of situation means nothing to me.
No increment over the board is just dumb imo.
Why is Fabi not playing GCL?
Because either he's unavailable or that no team approached him.
No increment could be a reason too
And he just played in the Olympiad so maybe hes conserving his energy for another tournament
@@loneranterism he is playing us championship as it counts for the fide circuit soo .. he is not available
@@loneranterism Are you kidding? every team would have grabbed him in a heart beat if he was available
Thank you fabi, great analysis.
Why do we pretend like somehow flagging is not a part of the game?
Why isnt fabi playing in the GCL ?
Should have pushed through to get in at Season 1 itself. MVL could have been replaced by him but MVL lead his team to the final in Season 1, how can you replace him. Now maybe once the league is expanded with more teams. This could become a league like IPL or European Football ones.
@@harshsrivastava8576 MVL is one of the best in blitz tho
@@harshsrivastava8576 but fabi is not available as he will be playing us championship as it counts for the fide circuit
If one side runs out of team with a _Queen_ v Knight, is it still a win for the side with the Knight? Can K+N checkmate K+Q?
I would say make blitz completely online in hall where all players are visible and there will not be an issue of pieces falling and ulllgal moves
Why Magnus fan try to spoil Alireza 's win,calm down guys, have a nice time rest of your days
What about Vidit V/s Nodirbek where both players at one point moving the kings without pressing the clock?
Do you get to move your piece before your opponent hits the clock?
It's also a team event...alireza shouldnt offer draw when there is no risk of losing and you can flag...it's 3 more points for the team to win with black in comparison to a draw.
you should have seen vidit-abdutasarov game to see both of them moving king together.
Hope to see fabi in the next GCL
Magnus getting older and slower, the young ones are coming!
Not dirty flag, Magnus has flagged or won many drawish finals, only pushing time and playing fast. This is 100% fair. Many people think only Magnus can do whatever he wants or feels, status bias.
Christian found Fabis spare glasses
I love analysis like this, that shows me how stupid I actually am. Impressive.
In terms of the best chess player winning then increment is better?
Alireza didn't actually drop the queen. If you watch it frame by frame, you can see that it was already falling after Magnus placed it, Alireza didn't touch it. This game was kind of fair in my opinion, Nodirbek - Vidit was horrible, they were just throwing pieces xd
I’ve seen exactly this engame before and you can play bishop h4 bd8 or many other moves like bg6 instead of bc2. Its a nice endgame but I’ve seen exactly this posision before :// the trick is to make black loose his knight and the same time keep black king boxed in. hmm zugzwang hard endgame to go for. Did they already play this or what? I knew bh4 was a move instant and ofc it is. And bg6 also. Like be1 is cleaner but I felt like I already have seen this exact game before.
Alireza dropped his own king at the end, not Magnus' king
yeah and when it happened magnus had already flagged
Alireza dropped Magnus's king before that during the time scamble. where magnus then picked it up and reset it while grabbing a queen.
33:49 you see alirezza knock over the white king (magnus's king)
@@lightofscorpio9396magnus drops his own king in previous move
@@lightofscorpio9396I still don't see it
Increment all the way. It is hard enough to physically move the pieces with a 1 or 2 second increment, but it is all still chess at that point. With no increment at some point you are literally blundering everything because paying attention to the board simply doesn't matter compared to saving 0.5 seconds a move.
The solution is to play the armageddon only in computers, face to face but with a computer, so no more dropped pieces.
20 minutes is equivalent to 15+3. Each chess player knows that and you have to manage your time accordingly. This format is great
Increments or online chess is the only way to go for blitz.
Isnt king and knight just a draw though???? I dont get it... HELP plsssssssss
U should also have discussed pragg's game
If they did intervene during the time scramble, wouldn't that end up giving the side with less time unfair advantage? All of the sudden they have time to think, which they didn't before.
I guess they should play only magnetic chess in rapid, blitz, bullet otb.
No increment is soo dumb. I hate it.
From now on, whenever Carlsen and Firouzja play, dirty flags are fair game.
Classical Chess world now understanding what T20 cricket is 😂
That was one of the greatest and clever'st move by Alireza , he's a 🦊 🤌🏻❤️👍🏻 !!!
He had to factor :
1) Magnus's queen
2) His and Magnus's time
3) win for his team
I feel, it's wrong to call it a "dirty flag" !
Still it's kinda dirty.. But it's ok.. He earned it by playing the clock
@@lemarkexyz2931 I don't think we are living in 'gentleman era' of the chess anymore ! Also the clock is your 17th piece. Alireza is a chess genius.
@@nishantbirari9300 It's a dirty flag because he was playing with a losing position when the game was flagged. In reality there was no real way for him to win other than flagging Magnus.
Yes it's part of the rules and nobody is saying that he didn't win because of it. It's not like Magnus quit the tournament and called Alireza a cheater and then memes started to pop up and the international media picked it up....
It was mentioned in the podcast that Firozja's movement caused Magnus's chess piece to fall, while in the movie you see that Magnus himself does not move the king correctly and then it falls.
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disagree with christian, i mean alireza abslutely deserved to win, he played better moves with the time he had, and won a time scramble, i just disagree that fans want this. i'm an avid chess spectator, not a great player, but i have zero interest in watching two people try to flag each other. else i would just watch naka streams all day and night. this is not so interesting is it?
Magnus dropped his own king. 0.25 speed makes it clearer
Fabi is making a mistake by saying it would have been a win for Alireza independent of if he captured the queen or not. Because if he would have captured the queen, it was knight Vs Bishop, and it is officially a draw. Magnus didn't need to recapture the knight to claim the draw!
Or maybe not, I don't know!
@@IliaAzadi It might seems counter intuitive indeed but Fabi was right. knight vs bishop is not officialy a draw because it is still possible to checkmate for the side that has the knight.
If there's a possibility no matter what the likelyhood it happening then it's not a draw. If the Bishop wasn't there then it's a draw because a knight can only attack one colour at a time. With a bishop the bishop can occupy the square that the knight isn't attacking creating a checkmate in the corner.
@@answeris4217 True, but the explanation is kind of weird. The knight has to deliver checkmate, so it doesn't control any of the three squares the cornered king could move to. But black's king can control two of these squares. That's why you need the white bishop to occupy the last square for the checkmate to happen.
@@freyc1 I doubt this checkmate will happen in competition. You need the opponent to actively get his king cornered and have his bishop come in to block his king while the knight is in phase to make a checkmate.
The dirty flag win is not dirty, The top level player are getting to way to soft when it comes to time trouble, by using Time increment as a life line helping hand, salvation a rescue!! Us lower ratted players not learning about time increment
Why did Magnus pick up his own king. It was Alizera's move. Alireza should restore the the king on his time. And if Alireza presses the clock, then Magnus should pause the clock and call the arbiter with his king being knocked off the board by Alizera. Of course the players have no trust in the arbiters. So they don't. BTW, it makes no sense to play zero increment blitz on a real board. Why do it? Even the top players don't actually practice how to move fast and don't know what the rules are either.
It really not a dirty flag ROFL .
It is a win if you can construct a mate, so was a win for magnus in the first game
Some persons are taking the literal meaning of dirty flag lol
In my mind they had 20 minutes to win... If you can't win within your allowed time then it's on you not on your opponent.
Same with Nodirbek and Vidit
This title is stupid. Alireza was trying to save the game. Magnus knew he was low on time. He could have repeated and drawn the game. If Alireza had more time and would have rejected to repeat from a lost position, it would be flagging dirty. In fact this title is click bait rather than the player being dirty
Can you guys not put spoilers in the titles? I will never watch any of your videos again.
Trying to watch hikaru's recap and thanks to you, I got spoiled by your video in the sidebar.
Pragg vs Wei yi
I don’t understand what is Christian’s problem with Ali-Reza wins specially over Magnus, Hikaru and Fabi. This time calling it dirty and in the discussion pushing for it a lot of times even when Fabi did not agree with him. The king dropped for instance was Alireza’s not Magnus and they did about six or seven moves in less than 10 seconds. The reality is they both played well and in time scramble made mistakes and finally Ali won because of the rules. If you have problem with the rules, call that dirty and do not insult such a top and honest player with a style that is always entertaining and aggressive even though sometimes causes him losses
It's called a dirty flag because Alireza was in a completely losing position and flagged Magnus. Was it unfair... no it was the rules of the tournament and both players could have won if they both had 20 minutes to win.
What video were you watching little bro? Cristian was obviously on Alireza’s side on this one. Dirty flagging is just a way of saying he flagged him in a worse position, there’s no implication by him that what he did was dirty. All part of the ruleset.
Thanks for telling me what happened in the title. Now I don't have to watch the video.
Tricky Firouzja🎉This is KARMA🎉🎉🎉
Full video about the 2019 game where Firouzja flagged and Magnus won with only a bishop. Firouzja and (another useless) arbiter thought it was a draw, Magnus knew it was a win. Grischuk even wandered by and explained it was a win! ua-cam.com/video/_xrYzfVBKf0/v-deo.htmlsi=EMM5vMhaTb6UKnh6 Firouzja filed an appeal and said that Magnus swore, the clock malfunctioned, and the dog ate his homework.
you can mate with knight if opponent has other pieces on board but knight and king alone cannot mate.
W Fabi
When Magnus won on 2019 no one criticise the rules but now it's Time to change the rules😂😂😂😂😂
Are you stupid? Like seriously? In 2019 they had increment, but this time they don't.And people are criticising the no increment rule.Stupid,delusional alireza fanboy
The rules were not the same... There was an increment.
I havent seen this yet. Just wanted to comment first 😂
You are Dirty
HALLO IM FRUM INDIA:
Guys fabi isnt playing in the gcl besauce he isnt high enough level, theres your answer
lie and lie in reality he has to recover for the us championship because he is trying to qualify through fide circuit
Wtf are you on about ?. Fabi is an elite speed chess player as well
politics, everyone knows the truth. 6:00
you can't penalize a player for making an accident? wtf? every mistake is an accident, or do you make mistakes on purpose? in sports, every turnover is an accident, should they blow the whistle and let the team that had a lapse in control have a another turn?