SUVs taking over everything and pushing out sedans and hatchbacks is like when we bred certain dog breeds into being so horribly deformed- like the bulldog. Used to be a healthy, proud breed. Now, it's oversized, bulky, and fucked up. That's what happened to cars when they were all morphed into CUVs and SUVs.
@@pootispiker2866 I owned 2 1st gen S-10 Blazers, 84 and a 88. They were TRUE SUV's. They were true to themselves and what they were capable of( the 84 was a 5-speed and no A/C). Now, the SUV and CUV's of today are just bastard children of focus groups and BOD's. I probably will never own one again unless I find a 82-90 S series in a barn somewhere.
The death of a lot of these good sedans really makes me double down my disdain for CUVs/SUVs. I'm gonna miss the Maxima, the Charger, Challenger and any other beautiful sedans that really identified with the driver. SUVs/CUVs lack character, like the mass zombies who drive them.
My Vo-Ag teacher my senior year had a brand new 87 Cherokee 2 door with the 4.0 and 5-speed. A holy grail truck for me. Jeep could have sold dog turds in the 90's and made billions.
In Australia, there was a long line of cars from many manufacturers with the clear coat peeling off. Not sure why, most probably a combination of shitty clear coat and increasingly harsh sun.
I'm assuming the challenger is getting a military funeral, what with the sheer number of E-1's mourning them today. May the sedan/coupe/hatchback rise again when we finally get enough Americans to see their light...again. Rest in peace.
It's weird how government regulations on regular cars have colluded with the forces of insane karens to make the heaviest, least safe, least ecological, least economical, least consumer friendly vehicles the core of the car market going forward. It makes you wonder if there aren't ulterior motives involved.
@@tenhundredkills My V8 Camaro was making 30mpg average when I drove smoothly back in 1998 with over 300hp. There’s no reason modern V8s can’t make 35mpg in a car and still have around 400hp when you want it.
As a Stinger owner, I'm so sad to see it cruise into the sunset. I love it. It still turns heads, I've had Porsche, Bimmer, and Audi owners ask me what make my car is. I would've loved to see a second generation.
I leased a stinger tt v6 for a couple years. I still miss it, it was an incredible daily. Almost every day someone would stop and ask me about it when i was out. It deserved better....
I sold Audis from 2007 to 2010, right around the launch of the second gen TT. When you went through Audi product training back then, they would say that the TT of that time was the most Audi of any Audi. The taillights were inspired by the R8 LeMans Prototypes that were dominating the 24 hour race at that time, the front 2/3rds were Aluminium, a material Audi pioneered the use of in production cars, and the 2.0 Turbo engine had their FSI (Fuel Stratified Injection) technology that was also developed for their aforementioned R8 race car. No car company loves the smell of their own farts more than Audi, and of all those farts, they loved smell of the TT the most. Your line about "vision board on four wheels" was more accurate than you might have realized Roman. Although I must admit, I kinda thought it had already gone out of production. Great video.
@@Mr.MarblesIt's not like there's no precedent for them doing that, either. I guess a $30-35k electric Focus or $25k fiesta doesn't earn as much profit as an $80k Lightning
@@pootispiker2866 The Focus is dead in Europe, too, come either October or November of this year. In it's place there's the Kuga, which is a taller, fatter Focus with much worse build quality and a higher price. Ford's pushing the "Kuga's the best selling car in Europe" lie pretty hard with it's paltry 100,000 average yearly sales, but the Focus was Europe's best selling car for almost fifteen years, reaching over 150,000 year after year. Meanwhile the Puma a B-segment CUV, which replaced the Fiesta, is getting slaughtered in sales by the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa hatch, which hasn't been a top three contender since the '90s but is now Europe's best selling B-segment car.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video and I think, much like the annual Christmas Song, this should be a yearly video. Also I don't think Nick gets enough credit for all of this talents/work that go into his videos. Yes, they be longer than the usual ones but I find them very entertaining and heavy on great facts.
I just lost a loved one and did the eulogy at his funeral. Had I read this Tagore quote last week I would have ended with it, and people would have thought I was smart.
I think Kia fumbled their bag when they released the Stinger, had few good years but after awhile I haven't seen many on the roads or any news on them tbh, they could of done a lot more with it tbh, dunno why they want to end production of it, maybe low sales or lost ambition of the car, but yeah
@thomasluggiero3413 bro, look at the consumer reports reliability ratings. "Korean crap" like Kia and Hyundai rank higher than any American brands and higher than most European brands... only Japanese brands have a higher average reliability score.
I loved my Challenger. I sold it when I was getting out of debt. I bought a $1,400 Pontiac Vibe when I sold it. The Vibe has proven to be the best value in a vehicle I've ever owned. The Challenger was fun, but fellas, they do not get you laid.
The vibe... gives me toyota matrix vibes .... i wonder why lols. I wanna 1st gen matrix awd so badly. I might look into the pontiac version since it won't have the.... Toyota Tax added on
I’m not surprised that Kia killed off the one interesting vehicle they had. They’re the automotive equivalent of a kitchen appliance manufacturer. I would even argue that my LG washer and drier have better styling and reliability than 90% of Kia/Hyundai’s lineup
Not gonna lie...I was already tearing up before that emotional rendering of...some familiar song...not sure it's real name, but that over-the-top song of loss and grief made the tears flood out of me. It felt good to release like that. Thank you. Seriously. Thank you.
Had to sell my V6 Stinger. After 55k miles engine began misbehaving. After a lenghtly talk with a couple of mechanics and long inspection I decided to sell it. The cost of looming repair was insurmountable. But, aside of that, I had a great time with that car. If it was a tad more reliable I'd still be rolling in it.
Roman. I have grown to love your "Longer Car Reviews." I love your dives into the history of vehicles and their impact in the automotive industry. I Want you to continue, regardless of how long they ar. If they turn into full podcasts. It is something I would play while play while I am working (those safety officers permitting). It is highly informative and i vehemently encourage you to keep it up. ( I would be willing to pay for the continuation of automotive advancements and the absurd vehicle advancements that becomes common.
Love that the "In loving memory of" picture for the Cherokee shows a Grand Cherokee. Poor thing is getting killed off and people still can't figure out which one is which.
38:29 I feel like we'll find out about the camaro's death the way we found out about MF DOOM's death. By the time GM let us know it'll already been long gone...
Great vid Roman! Like the Eulogy theme. I did one a few months ago on this topic with...more a Haunted Mansion/ Holloween vibe. I think your missing a few though.. Ford Edge,Mercedes Metris, and Ford Transit Connect come to mind.
I get that you're focused on the US market, but let's pause to pour one out for the Ford Fiesta, the starter car for multiple rightpondian generations.
GM has a long established habit of discontinuing cars after they finally got the bugs worked out of it. I'm thinking of the Corvair, the Vega, and the infamous Cadillac Cimarron. Those cars were finally fixed just a year or two before they were canceled.
The problems with the Corvair and Vega were caught far too late. By then, they had no good will left, and no amount of effort was going to make them profitable.
The Dodge Challenger SRT is probably my favourite looking car and it's influence on car design worldwide cannot be understated. It's ancestors inspired everthing from the Golf Mk1 to the Honda e. It'll never really ever die.
@@ampinstein I ain't saying it wasn't a cool car. But the dodge challenger's ancestors did not inspire the Germans or Japanese. Maybe some parts of Mitsubishi were inspired by the joint venture they had during the pentstar era, but nothing they have currently can lay claim to "inspiration". Unless inspiration is Fiat, but tony can only fix stuff so many times
The loss of the LX platform cars hits hard for me. My dad was a lifelong Mopar fanatic. His first car was a 1968 Roadrunner GTX and every car/truck he owned was Dodge/Chrysler. He worked as a stone mason year round 7 days a week. He was going to retire at 55 and trade in the 2018 truck towards a Hellcat...but job related cancer took his life at 54 in 2020.
Quite enjoyed this. Very sas to learn that the Kia Stinger and Nissan Maxima will be no more. Sedans/saloons in the UK are a near extinct car body style. 😥 Only the German marques seem to still sell a lot of those here.
The Kia Stinger dying is seemingly a result of Kia dealerships themselves. Every time I've seen a Stinger it's been priced to BMW levels while on the lot, and every time I've heard someone say they thought about buying a Stinger and then asked them why they didn't, they said it was because the dealership was a horror show. The Kia wasn't stealing customers from more expensive cars, it was enticing buyers who would've been brow beaten into an SUV or CUV instead. The problem was that dealers kept trying to hound customers into more profitable vehicles like the Telluride so the markup wasn't as noticeable, or weren't used to dealing with people who actually knew something about cars coming in and being interested in one specific car instead of taking whatever was lobbed at them. Car enthusiasts wanted Stingers. Kia dealers kept them away. Also, the Maxima. Hah. The Maxima was in the house of the victims of Ghosn. I liked my A34, but it still wasn't comparable to the A32. And the A35 and A36 that came after, well... I don't even know why they made them. Not even rental agencies would take them when the Altima was there. Both were almost the same size, both had terrible build quality, both were stuck with the CVT, and both had the VQ35DE, but one was cheaper on insurance due to being an intermediary mid-sizer and somehow faster.
This SUV , and now Elctric-suv hypetrain kills so many good cars and option , such a shame... Some how out of this list the one that saddns me the most is the Stinger , such a good car and so underrated similar to the Chevrolate SS really . The Bolt , the Csx9 and Maxima , won't be missed much.
@@initialyeet3951 Aus institutions and companies helped pioneer EV tech. Freaking Tritium is in Brisbane. We could of pivoted and developed a future proof industry. It has been a Wasted Decade.
Great content guys. Really good idea. With the TT I would like to point out that the first scandal was the faulty aerodynamic that resulted in several accidents in Germany and forced Audi to attach the rear spoiler. That was even before the lawsuits - to keep the timeline correct ;-)
It’s going to be surreal to have the LX/LH platform Charger and Challenger not around anymore. It’s practically been a constant ever since I got into cars. Not one of my favorites, or one I’d own, but sad to see the machismo mobile be sunsetted, even if you’ll find a 2005 Mercedes E-class if you scratch away at one for long enough.
I owned a 2000 XJ Jeep Cherokee. It was a great car and I wish I still had it. But alas my daughter totalled it. I live near the beach and similar XJs with 300,000 miles sell for $6000. That's crazy. But they really were that good.
The continued demise of sedans, coupes and hatchbacks really bums me out. And I know companies love to rave about how SUVs are what the public wants, but I can't help but wonder if that's *actually* want the public wants or if it's just what companies want the public to want, you know? Also, it seems fitting to me that I got a mid-roll ad for the Mazda CX-90 right before the CX-9 segment. The algorithm knows...
car companies classify crossovers and SUVs as "light trucks" to avoid the CAFE standards that cars use. it saves them money so they brainwashed people who treat cars like appliances into thinking they need an suv when in reality we need utes and wagons. SUVs suck
They are what the public actually wants. If automakers were killing sedans that were selling in huge numbers, you could argue the automakers were doing it intentionally. But, sedans have been legitimately waning in sales for about 15 years. To put it in perspective, back in the 1970s when sedans were almost 100% of the market, the Chevy Citation sold over 800,000 units in its inaugural year, NOT including its other X-car stablemates from Pontiac, Buick and Oldsmobile. The current Malibu, which is an approximate representation, sold 130,000 in 2023. And, that is with a complete lack of other sedans available, so it SHOULD garner more of a share of the market. Even the venerable Toyota Camry only sold 290,000 units in 2023. That may seem like a large number, but Rav4 sales were nearly double that amount. In that same time, GM sold 851,000 pick up trucks, JUST Sileverados and Sierras. That does not include all the other full sized SUVs or any of their crossovers. So, from the data, for now, sedans are dying. Maybe that trend will eventually change, but I have to say, our Enclave has been a pretty terrific vehicle for doing what we need it to do. I mean, I still like sedans and coupes, but if we can only own one vehicle, the Enclave would win that argument.
The CX-90 is a rear-drive architecture that has nothing to do with the CX-9's architecture. There hasn't been any "Ford" in Mazda since 2012, and even then it was more "how much Mazda is in Ford" because Ford used a lot of Mazda platforms and Mazda-derived powertrains over the years.
Roman’s knowledge about Mazda is incredibly outdated. But this channel has always worn its Toyota fanboyism on its sleeve while doing its best to pretend that Mazda doesn’t make better vehicles in every category that they compete in.
We have a Chevy Bolt Ev and it is legit one of the best cars my husband and I have owned. I am a car enthusiast so I alwasy want something loud and engaging but the Bolt is just a very good commuter car.
In 2019, I bought a Jeep Renegade, after going to see a new Jeep Cherokee. The Renegade was similar (if not better) featured, cheaper and only slightly smaller. I traded in a 2000 Cherokee on it. I wasn't thrilled with the engine choices on these lower end jeeps (they were mostly the same at the time), but after driving them both i felt the renegade was a better choice. I hear the the Renegade will be discontinued in 2024 also. Im still happy with the choice after 5 years so i guess thats something.
What the hell are these companies going to sell? It seems every time I turn my head I see someone announcing yet another low or mid range car being canceled and nothing new announced to replace it. Are the idiots running these companies hoping to make it off nothing but 6 figure evs?
We had a Maxima at Hertz for 3 weeks in 2017 and we loved it. Truly a guilty pleasure and underrated relative to perceived brand. This and higher end V6 Camaro were the driver cars. The Maxima found ways to lose space despite being 4 doors. We loved it any way. It is like an end unfunctioning love affair. You lust for it sometimes because you know you were geeting it good..
The fact that the Roman gets the "you guessed it...Frank Stallone" makes me smile. p.s. "Orion" in Michigan isn't pronounced "O rye' un" like the constellation, but "Or' ee un." I drove/owned a few of these. Cherokee. Bolt. TT, and Camaro. RIP.
the 1st gen chrysler 300c was the first real muscle car i have ever sat in. it was my grandfathers. i remember feeling the torque throw me into the back seat as a 4 year old and it was the first time i’ve ever experienced real speed in a car. he still owns the car, it sits in his garage with 44k miles, a dead battery, and blown shocks. it hasn’t been driven since probably 2012. but that memory always held stuck with me throughout the years. when i heard the 300 was leaving production i was very sad. it was in my opinion one of chryslers better vehicles and it always had potential with the v8 option. i was very delighted though when they announced the final edition 300c with the scatpack power train. i never thought i would see one in person due to the low production numbers. turns out my step dads friend purchased a brand new one and i had no clue. when it spawned into my driveway right next to my wrx one day, with its velvet red paint and big brembo brakes, i never smiled more at a car in my life. sure it’s a heavy car, sure some may call it the hood rolls royce and a certified pimp mobile (even i do because it’s true lol). this car will always hold a special place in my heart.
Every car is special in their own way. Whether it be the loud, fast, and eye-catching sports and muscle cars, or the boring and mundane cars and commercial vehicles. They all fulfill a task for somebody out there in the world, getting somebody from A to B.
I have a friend who has a '96 Cherokee XJ Sport. He bought it new and it's been his daily ever since. Has the iconic 4.0 straight 6 motor and he's somewhere over 300K miles now and it just keeps on running with just regular maintenance.
The very first car I ever drove was a Jeep Cherokee. I was 13yo, and it was nighttime. My father pulled over, and asked me if I wanted to drive the rest of the way home. What fool would say no to that? We swapped seats, he adjusted everything for me, and I drove at a VERY slow pace. I made it all the way to the front of the house, when I parked, and told him that I was too scared to go the rest of the way. It was probably for the better because if my mom would have seen, she would be furious. This was during a time (1996) when the town was much more rural, and there hardly was anyone on the road, or anything really for me to crash into. My father passed away in 2005, and it probably wasn’t till sometime in the 2010s that I told my mom what happened. She was upset and told me that had she had known, she would have gotten onto him so hard about it. Who lets a 13yo drive a car?!? I explained that was probably why I never told her. What benefit would there be in having her know? This was a pretty big trust exercise/bonding experience for me and my dad, and I will forever cherish it. Probably won’t let my own kid drive that young, but you never know.
I had an ‘86 Jeep Cherokee once upon a time. Eventually the engine ended up catching fire every time I drove over 25 mph. Still lasted a year after that, before I handed it off to someone else.
I have a '21 Cherokee as a fleet vehicle from work. It's a completely competent compact crossover. And the 3.2 Pentastar is a pretty decent engine. It's a (slight) shame to see it go.
@@rturner4205 The legacy was announced to be discontinued about 2 years ago. It is in limited markets and will die with the next refresh. I never like the Legacy after it left the Legacy platform with the 5th gen. The VA WRX and Levorg were OK and continued the Legacy platform, but without a wagon in the US and the CVT Subaru is not the same. The current line up other than the WRX cannot even drive both axles at road speed. The rear only gets power with slip so if you are going up a slippery hill and the front wheels catch you lose power to the rear and slide back down or dig a rut.
The Nissan Maxima was the benchmark of mediocrity. That stoic neighbor down the street you always saw until that day an estate sale sign popped up in the overgrown front yard.
The high-point of the Chrysler 300 was sharing the cover of Midnight Club 3... and it was all sharply downhill from there. It's a miracle it survived this long.
I feel like the Challenger was the most disappointing loss this year, at least to me. I feel like it was the last of the muscle cars, the last of the original pony cars to hold true to the muscle car formula. And it’s gone now. I’ve always wanted a Challenger, but I’m only 18 and couldn’t even begin to dream of affording one. Sure, the Mustang is still hanging around, but personally I think the Mustang has become more of a sports car than a true muscle car. (But that’s just me.) It just makes me sad that we’re losing such an iconic vehicle, and I feel like I’m being robbed of yet another attainable, fun car. As a young car enthusiast, and as someone who loves ICE’s, it makes me anxious about the future of ICE’s, and just the future of enthusiast vehicles in general. In short, we have lost a real legend. R.I.P. Challenger. Thanks for the good times.
@@zippedmouthgaming5637 Yeah, I’ll keep my hopes up. I thankfully don’t want a Hellcat, I’m more interested in a ScatPack. Hopefully by the time I can afford one, finding a good low mileage one is still possible.
Welcome to the limited choice and subscription based modes of transportation. You will own nothing and like it. Vote with your pocket book is the only way to turn things around.
@@Crankshaft_McGee I have a good stash of pre-connected and early electronic ignition/EFI models that should last me until I am dead. My kids are learning the ropes to keep them going as well. It will be their cross to bear with the eventual dwindling of replacement parts however.
Fusion and Taurus/Flex. Wonderful cars and both tracing their roots deep into my family with the 1st and 2nd gen SHO and the Mystique/Contour which kept my mother alive with minor cuts and bruises in a horrific car accident when the car went roof first into a telephone pole. I ended up buying a SVT Contour is my first car in 2018 and I still have her to this day, and her name is Connie. I bought a daily to keep my SVT alive, and it was Snowball, a 2012 Fusion SEL in pearl white. Great cars for many and if these machines could talk, they'd have some good stories to tell...
RIP Sedans. We'll see you again in 20-30 years when you become retro and cool again.
Just come to Ohio. They are timeless here
We going station wagon these days it seems
Yes, they'll come back.....as EVs.....
@@Drdirtydee it's got to the point where I'm happy to see anything other than an suv
Sedan will always exist.... Via Camry accord and the five series
Maxima going is like the great aunt who survived way beyond her prime. She spent the last 10 years suffering from various ailments including dementia.
Maxima died in mid 2000. But I like your dramatic analogy.
had a 2002 SE, auto tho. Maxima died past 03. G35/G37s and took over, and 3.5 Altimas were never as nicely put together.
Every car lineup must end. Like the Chevelle and the Model T that came decades before it, production has to end somewhere.
An old battle axe
Nissan In general tbh imo@@TheJackal917
SUVs taking over everything and pushing out sedans and hatchbacks is like when we bred certain dog breeds into being so horribly deformed- like the bulldog. Used to be a healthy, proud breed. Now, it's oversized, bulky, and fucked up. That's what happened to cars when they were all morphed into CUVs and SUVs.
SUVs are the bane of humanity
Irish Setter.
@@pootispiker2866 I owned 2 1st gen S-10 Blazers, 84 and a 88. They were TRUE SUV's. They were true to themselves and what they were capable of( the 84 was a 5-speed and no A/C). Now, the SUV and CUV's of today are just bastard children of focus groups and BOD's. I probably will never own one again unless I find a 82-90 S series in a barn somewhere.
If it’s what people buy, it’s what companies will sell
@@JollyGiant19exactly, that's why normies ruin everything.
The death of a lot of these good sedans really makes me double down my disdain for CUVs/SUVs. I'm gonna miss the Maxima, the Charger, Challenger and any other beautiful sedans that really identified with the driver. SUVs/CUVs lack character, like the mass zombies who drive them.
Crossovers have their place in the world but I do dislike how they're displacing other body styles.
I'll never forget the 1990s cherokees that were everywhere with the hood paint fading and peeling on every one of them.
My Vo-Ag teacher my senior year had a brand new 87 Cherokee 2 door with the 4.0 and 5-speed. A holy grail truck for me. Jeep could have sold dog turds in the 90's and made billions.
In Australia, there was a long line of cars from many manufacturers with the clear coat peeling off. Not sure why, most probably a combination of shitty clear coat and increasingly harsh sun.
Here in a small mountain town in Romania they're still everywhere.
Those still are everywhere, at least here in New England. I'd say I probably see at least three XJs every day.
@@jaytea4093 In the Midwest they have been salt brined to death 10 to 15 years ago.
I'm assuming the challenger is getting a military funeral, what with the sheer number of E-1's mourning them today.
May the sedan/coupe/hatchback rise again when we finally get enough Americans to see their light...again. Rest in peace.
Add the Station Wagon in there too.
I miss hatchbacks
It's weird how government regulations on regular cars have colluded with the forces of insane karens to make the heaviest, least safe, least ecological, least economical, least consumer friendly vehicles the core of the car market going forward. It makes you wonder if there aren't ulterior motives involved.
@@seththomas9105exactly, Euro and Japanese wagons are pretty consistently good (and good looking too!)
It's been a rough year for Mopar fans.
It’s been a rougher 60 years for MOPAR owners, which is why they’ve been slowly going out of business for most of them.
@@edreynolds8721 Emission regulations says no.
@@leviathan5207 Gas emissions are a piece of cake.
The 'Mopar or No Car' crowd are gonna have to choose no car.
@@leviathan5207 What EV has a transmission tunnel? They're definitely making an ICE version. No doubt about it.
I never thought the maxima or challenger would ever be discontinued. Man, i don't know how how to feel about this. Everyday i feel older and older.
Maxima sure.....but the challengerrrrrrr.......it lasted a few extra yrs than I thought soley bc of the hellcats💯
I agree with you on the maxima for sure💯
I'm amazed the Challenger lasted as long as it did. Gas guzzling V8s simply can't exist with government emissions regulations being what they are.
@@tenhundredkills My V8 Camaro was making 30mpg average when I drove smoothly back in 1998 with over 300hp. There’s no reason modern V8s can’t make 35mpg in a car and still have around 400hp when you want it.
@@googolplex2789 *Hears the screams of execs not wanting to put in the funding into making a proper fuel efficient V8*...
As a Stinger owner, I'm so sad to see it cruise into the sunset. I love it. It still turns heads, I've had Porsche, Bimmer, and Audi owners ask me what make my car is. I would've loved to see a second generation.
Yeah
I leased a stinger tt v6 for a couple years. I still miss it, it was an incredible daily. Almost every day someone would stop and ask me about it when i was out. It deserved better....
Also, Mini is no longer selling manual Coopers. That was one of the few cars left that have always been available with a stick shift.
The manual GTI is dead as well. Sacrilege, the take rate on manuals was still high for that model.
Manual is dead
Souless
Its an honor to experience malaise era 2.0 with you guys.
❤
I sold Audis from 2007 to 2010, right around the launch of the second gen TT. When you went through Audi product training back then, they would say that the TT of that time was the most Audi of any Audi. The taillights were inspired by the R8 LeMans Prototypes that were dominating the 24 hour race at that time, the front 2/3rds were Aluminium, a material Audi pioneered the use of in production cars, and the 2.0 Turbo engine had their FSI (Fuel Stratified Injection) technology that was also developed for their aforementioned R8 race car.
No car company loves the smell of their own farts more than Audi, and of all those farts, they loved smell of the TT the most. Your line about "vision board on four wheels" was more accurate than you might have realized Roman. Although I must admit, I kinda thought it had already gone out of production. Great video.
I don’t know, BMW is quite the self-fart-smeller!
Interesting.
Still sad that the Ford Fiesta and Focus are gone too as of last year
As a fan of those two hatchbacks, shit's heartbreaking, man.
@@Mr.MarblesIt's not like there's no precedent for them doing that, either. I guess a $30-35k electric Focus or $25k fiesta doesn't earn as much profit as an $80k Lightning
@@pootispiker2866 The Focus is dead in Europe, too, come either October or November of this year. In it's place there's the Kuga, which is a taller, fatter Focus with much worse build quality and a higher price. Ford's pushing the "Kuga's the best selling car in Europe" lie pretty hard with it's paltry 100,000 average yearly sales, but the Focus was Europe's best selling car for almost fifteen years, reaching over 150,000 year after year. Meanwhile the Puma a B-segment CUV, which replaced the Fiesta, is getting slaughtered in sales by the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa hatch, which hasn't been a top three contender since the '90s but is now Europe's best selling B-segment car.
@@Mr.MarblesEurope full on the C/SUV craze. Hatchbacks and wagons are a fast dieing breed. There's like 3-4 sub 14000€ cars left.
The fusion too,
I thoroughly enjoyed this video and I think, much like the annual Christmas Song, this should be a yearly video. Also I don't think Nick gets enough credit for all of this talents/work that go into his videos. Yes, they be longer than the usual ones but I find them very entertaining and heavy on great facts.
I just lost a loved one and did the eulogy at his funeral. Had I read this Tagore quote last week I would have ended with it, and people would have thought I was smart.
I'm sorry for your loss.
Me too man. This upload is so surreal too me, I just lost my dad. I now have his car which is an puegoet rcz (google that if you don't know.)
Kia Stinger: it passed waiting for a badly needed manual transmission transplant.
I think Kia fumbled their bag when they released the Stinger, had few good years but after awhile I haven't seen many on the roads or any news on them tbh, they could of done a lot more with it tbh, dunno why they want to end production of it, maybe low sales or lost ambition of the car, but yeah
ive always thought they were really slick looking cars@@bradwhite5884
And it''s korean krap
i so wanted a stinger after i totaled my genesis coupe lol
@thomasluggiero3413 bro, look at the consumer reports reliability ratings. "Korean crap" like Kia and Hyundai rank higher than any American brands and higher than most European brands... only Japanese brands have a higher average reliability score.
I loved my Challenger. I sold it when I was getting out of debt. I bought a $1,400 Pontiac Vibe when I sold it. The Vibe has proven to be the best value in a vehicle I've ever owned. The Challenger was fun, but fellas, they do not get you laid.
My charger did 😂 u must’ve had a v6 all jokes tho
The Pontiac vibe is getting you laid?
Imagine buying a car and expecting to get laid because of that car
The vibe... gives me toyota matrix vibes .... i wonder why lols. I wanna 1st gen matrix awd so badly. I might look into the pontiac version since it won't have the.... Toyota Tax added on
Getting pipe does not count as laying pipe@@reallydawg5987
I’m not surprised that Kia killed off the one interesting vehicle they had. They’re the automotive equivalent of a kitchen appliance manufacturer. I would even argue that my LG washer and drier have better styling and reliability than 90% of Kia/Hyundai’s lineup
Not gonna lie...I was already tearing up before that emotional rendering of...some familiar song...not sure it's real name, but that over-the-top song of loss and grief made the tears flood out of me. It felt good to release like that. Thank you. Seriously. Thank you.
Please do this again next year. This was great!
Had to sell my V6 Stinger. After 55k miles engine began misbehaving. After a lenghtly talk with a couple of mechanics and long inspection I decided to sell it. The cost of looming repair was insurmountable. But, aside of that, I had a great time with that car. If it was a tad more reliable I'd still be rolling in it.
V6 moment
Was it the 4cyl or the V6?
@@lego4virgo He said v6. Five words in.
Kia moment
Ls swap duh.
I’ve always loved the style of video from RCR, always sad when it’s over but an incredible tribute. We salute the fallen!
Superb eulogies RCR. Roman, as ever, excellent wordsmithery.
This was such a sad (content-wise) video, but I loved the theme and details. A TT or Stinger is on my list to buy still (as a used car now).
i wonder if the challenger and charger will be gen Zs winga dinga vehicles
Totally
WTF does winga dinga mean? LOL
@@TheGoddamnBacon new here?
We bringing back the caveman lingo.
Also, great job Roman. You’re a very talented dude.
Very thoughtful and well-made video. Thank you for putting this together. RIP to a few good ones.
Roman. I have grown to love your "Longer Car Reviews." I love your dives into the history of vehicles and their impact in the automotive industry. I Want you to continue, regardless of how long they ar. If they turn into full podcasts. It is something I would play while play while I am working (those safety officers permitting). It is highly informative and i vehemently encourage you to keep it up. ( I would be willing to pay for the continuation of automotive advancements and the absurd vehicle advancements that becomes common.
Love that the "In loving memory of" picture for the Cherokee shows a Grand Cherokee. Poor thing is getting killed off and people still can't figure out which one is which.
RIP Maxima. It was nice “maxing” in you.
38:29
I feel like we'll find out about the camaro's death the way we found out about MF DOOM's death.
By the time GM let us know it'll already been long gone...
Great Job Roman!
Thank you!
Great vid Roman! Like the Eulogy theme. I did one a few months ago on this topic with...more a Haunted Mansion/ Holloween vibe. I think your missing a few though.. Ford Edge,Mercedes Metris, and Ford Transit Connect come to mind.
poetic, entertaining, and informative as usual, thank you
I get that you're focused on the US market, but let's pause to pour one out for the Ford Fiesta, the starter car for multiple rightpondian generations.
GM has a long established habit of discontinuing cars after they finally got the bugs worked out of it. I'm thinking of the Corvair, the Vega, and the infamous Cadillac Cimarron. Those cars were finally fixed just a year or two before they were canceled.
The problems with the Corvair and Vega were caught far too late. By then, they had no good will left, and no amount of effort was going to make them profitable.
Also, the Fiero.
The Dodge Challenger SRT is probably my favourite looking car and it's influence on car design worldwide cannot be understated. It's ancestors inspired everthing from the Golf Mk1 to the Honda e. It'll never really ever die.
Don't know how a Chrysler brick ancester inspired anything
@@alainaguilar9938 You don't have to; you can like whatever you want.
@@ampinstein I ain't saying it wasn't a cool car. But the dodge challenger's ancestors did not inspire the Germans or Japanese. Maybe some parts of Mitsubishi were inspired by the joint venture they had during the pentstar era, but nothing they have currently can lay claim to "inspiration". Unless inspiration is Fiat, but tony can only fix stuff so many times
as long as we have the miata we still have hope
LONG LIVE THE MIATA!!!
5:44 Oh no. I can hear a marketing wonk naming it the CherokeEV.
The loss of the LX platform cars hits hard for me. My dad was a lifelong Mopar fanatic. His first car was a 1968 Roadrunner GTX and every car/truck he owned was Dodge/Chrysler. He worked as a stone mason year round 7 days a week. He was going to retire at 55 and trade in the 2018 truck towards a Hellcat...but job related cancer took his life at 54 in 2020.
I had a 2002 New Beetle with that 1.8T engine also found in the TT. When my timing belt snapped on the freeway, it was a very expensive and sad day.
Great video. I feel like this was a missed opportunity to do a rendition of boys to men end of the road lol
Oh the TT will be back for sure as some electric mini-SUV oddly shaped sausage.
Quite enjoyed this. Very sas to learn that the Kia Stinger and Nissan Maxima will be no more.
Sedans/saloons in the UK are a near extinct car body style. 😥 Only the German marques seem to still sell a lot of those here.
The Kia Stinger dying is seemingly a result of Kia dealerships themselves. Every time I've seen a Stinger it's been priced to BMW levels while on the lot, and every time I've heard someone say they thought about buying a Stinger and then asked them why they didn't, they said it was because the dealership was a horror show. The Kia wasn't stealing customers from more expensive cars, it was enticing buyers who would've been brow beaten into an SUV or CUV instead. The problem was that dealers kept trying to hound customers into more profitable vehicles like the Telluride so the markup wasn't as noticeable, or weren't used to dealing with people who actually knew something about cars coming in and being interested in one specific car instead of taking whatever was lobbed at them. Car enthusiasts wanted Stingers. Kia dealers kept them away.
Also, the Maxima. Hah. The Maxima was in the house of the victims of Ghosn. I liked my A34, but it still wasn't comparable to the A32. And the A35 and A36 that came after, well... I don't even know why they made them. Not even rental agencies would take them when the Altima was there. Both were almost the same size, both had terrible build quality, both were stuck with the CVT, and both had the VQ35DE, but one was cheaper on insurance due to being an intermediary mid-sizer and somehow faster.
Thank you for this impressive presentation. --You should be continued ;-)
Rest in peace to all these vehicles. A marvelous and wonderful video. 👍🏽 ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
RIP - Choice
This SUV , and now Elctric-suv hypetrain kills so many good cars and option , such a shame...
Some how out of this list the one that saddns me the most is the Stinger , such a good car and so underrated similar to the Chevrolate SS really .
The Bolt , the Csx9 and Maxima , won't be missed much.
Yeah, I miss the days of AU car production.
@@initialyeet3951 Aus institutions and companies helped pioneer EV tech. Freaking Tritium is in Brisbane. We could of pivoted and developed a future proof industry. It has been a Wasted Decade.
Dearly beloved we are gathered here today to commemorate the loss of these wonderful regular cars.
Great content guys. Really good idea.
With the TT I would like to point out that the first scandal was the faulty aerodynamic that resulted in several accidents in Germany and forced Audi to attach the rear spoiler. That was even before the lawsuits - to keep the timeline correct ;-)
Brilliant, Reg & Ro!
It’s going to be surreal to have the LX/LH platform Charger and Challenger not around anymore. It’s practically been a constant ever since I got into cars. Not one of my favorites, or one I’d own, but sad to see the machismo mobile be sunsetted, even if you’ll find a 2005 Mercedes E-class if you scratch away at one for long enough.
Roman- I always enjoy your videos!
I owned a 2000 XJ Jeep Cherokee. It was a great car and I wish I still had it. But alas my daughter totalled it. I live near the beach and similar XJs with 300,000 miles sell for $6000. That's crazy. But they really were that good.
Excellent work!
Shocker, not a single one is an "affordable, reliable, and efficient crossover" because those make up roughly 99.9% of vehicle sales now.
The continued demise of sedans, coupes and hatchbacks really bums me out. And I know companies love to rave about how SUVs are what the public wants, but I can't help but wonder if that's *actually* want the public wants or if it's just what companies want the public to want, you know?
Also, it seems fitting to me that I got a mid-roll ad for the Mazda CX-90 right before the CX-9 segment. The algorithm knows...
car companies classify crossovers and SUVs as "light trucks" to avoid the CAFE standards that cars use. it saves them money so they brainwashed people who treat cars like appliances into thinking they need an suv when in reality we need utes and wagons. SUVs suck
They are what the public actually wants. If automakers were killing sedans that were selling in huge numbers, you could argue the automakers were doing it intentionally. But, sedans have been legitimately waning in sales for about 15 years.
To put it in perspective, back in the 1970s when sedans were almost 100% of the market, the Chevy Citation sold over 800,000 units in its inaugural year, NOT including its other X-car stablemates from Pontiac, Buick and Oldsmobile. The current Malibu, which is an approximate representation, sold 130,000 in 2023. And, that is with a complete lack of other sedans available, so it SHOULD garner more of a share of the market. Even the venerable Toyota Camry only sold 290,000 units in 2023. That may seem like a large number, but Rav4 sales were nearly double that amount. In that same time, GM sold 851,000 pick up trucks, JUST Sileverados and Sierras. That does not include all the other full sized SUVs or any of their crossovers. So, from the data, for now, sedans are dying. Maybe that trend will eventually change, but I have to say, our Enclave has been a pretty terrific vehicle for doing what we need it to do. I mean, I still like sedans and coupes, but if we can only own one vehicle, the Enclave would win that argument.
The CX-90 is a rear-drive architecture that has nothing to do with the CX-9's architecture. There hasn't been any "Ford" in Mazda since 2012, and even then it was more "how much Mazda is in Ford" because Ford used a lot of Mazda platforms and Mazda-derived powertrains over the years.
Roman’s knowledge about Mazda is incredibly outdated. But this channel has always worn its Toyota fanboyism on its sleeve while doing its best to pretend that Mazda doesn’t make better vehicles in every category that they compete in.
We pour one out here for all of these fine vehicles, and especially for Red Betty. o7
The Audi TT was my first car . . . in Midtown Madness. Before consoles teenage petrol heads knew how cool the car was. RIP
I remember driving one in Need for Speed Underground 2. It was a pretty good car in that game, and made me always want one.
My first car RIP 1999 Ford Contour. 15inch rims. 2.5L V6 @ 170hp, 4-speed Automatic, a beast in snowy winter weather
We have a Chevy Bolt Ev and it is legit one of the best cars my husband and I have owned. I am a car enthusiast so I alwasy want something loud and engaging but the Bolt is just a very good commuter car.
That Cherokee is ugly as sin. The square grill was the best part. Once it turned into the electric razor it just blended in with everything else.
The one I think I was happiest to see to go was the Chevy Bolt
the norm macdonald reference in the maxima segment was incredible. really loving the all-nick roman content lately
In 2019, I bought a Jeep Renegade, after going to see a new Jeep Cherokee. The Renegade was similar (if not better) featured, cheaper and only slightly smaller. I traded in a 2000 Cherokee on it. I wasn't thrilled with the engine choices on these lower end jeeps (they were mostly the same at the time), but after driving them both i felt the renegade was a better choice. I hear the the Renegade will be discontinued in 2024 also. Im still happy with the choice after 5 years so i guess thats something.
What the hell are these companies going to sell? It seems every time I turn my head I see someone announcing yet another low or mid range car being canceled and nothing new announced to replace it. Are the idiots running these companies hoping to make it off nothing but 6 figure evs?
Rev in peace , legends…Well done 👏
Glad I got my 21 Challenger when I did, before the interest Rate increase.. and a 6 spd, 6 pot brembos, and in White knuckle.
We had a Maxima at Hertz for 3 weeks in 2017 and we loved it. Truly a guilty pleasure and underrated relative to perceived brand. This and higher end V6 Camaro were the driver cars. The Maxima found ways to lose space despite being 4 doors. We loved it any way. It is like an end unfunctioning love affair. You lust for it sometimes because you know you were geeting it good..
Did anyone notice the Stalagmite like things hanging under the front suspension @2:16?
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Brings a tear to a feller.
The fact that the Roman gets the "you guessed it...Frank Stallone" makes me smile. p.s. "Orion" in Michigan isn't pronounced "O rye' un" like the constellation, but "Or' ee un." I drove/owned a few of these. Cherokee. Bolt. TT, and Camaro. RIP.
Christ, I’d expect that kind of pronunciation chicanery here in Ohio, not Michigan.
In Australia Kias have a reputation for being some of the best cars available in their market sectors & are still priced very competitively.
the 1st gen chrysler 300c was the first real muscle car i have ever sat in. it was my grandfathers. i remember feeling the torque throw me into the back seat as a 4 year old and it was the first time i’ve ever experienced real speed in a car. he still owns the car, it sits in his garage with 44k miles, a dead battery, and blown shocks. it hasn’t been driven since probably 2012. but that memory always held stuck with me throughout the years. when i heard the 300 was leaving production i was very sad. it was in my opinion one of chryslers better vehicles and it always had potential with the v8 option. i was very delighted though when they announced the final edition 300c with the scatpack power train. i never thought i would see one in person due to the low production numbers. turns out my step dads friend purchased a brand new one and i had no clue. when it spawned into my driveway right next to my wrx one day, with its velvet red paint and big brembo brakes, i never smiled more at a car in my life. sure it’s a heavy car, sure some may call it the hood rolls royce and a certified pimp mobile (even i do because it’s true lol). this car will always hold a special place in my heart.
the phrase "you don't know what you got til it's gone"
Every car is special in their own way. Whether it be the loud, fast, and eye-catching sports and muscle cars, or the boring and mundane cars and commercial vehicles. They all fulfill a task for somebody out there in the world, getting somebody from A to B.
Thrilled to see a Brampton shout out in RCR
I have a friend who has a '96 Cherokee XJ Sport. He bought it new and it's been his daily ever since. Has the iconic 4.0 straight 6 motor and he's somewhere over 300K miles now and it just keeps on running with just regular maintenance.
30:55 the way you said that was hilarious 😂
RIP Mercury cougar, gone and forgotten.
That didnt stop me from buying one tho on the recommendation of my best friends drunk dad.
Stay till the end folks, the in memoriam song is a banger.
The removal of gas cars (and especially economical small cars) is why I’m never selling my car. Theres simply no replacement in the market.
The very first car I ever drove was a Jeep Cherokee. I was 13yo, and it was nighttime. My father pulled over, and asked me if I wanted to drive the rest of the way home. What fool would say no to that? We swapped seats, he adjusted everything for me, and I drove at a VERY slow pace. I made it all the way to the front of the house, when I parked, and told him that I was too scared to go the rest of the way.
It was probably for the better because if my mom would have seen, she would be furious. This was during a time (1996) when the town was much more rural, and there hardly was anyone on the road, or anything really for me to crash into. My father passed away in 2005, and it probably wasn’t till sometime in the 2010s that I told my mom what happened. She was upset and told me that had she had known, she would have gotten onto him so hard about it. Who lets a 13yo drive a car?!? I explained that was probably why I never told her. What benefit would there be in having her know? This was a pretty big trust exercise/bonding experience for me and my dad, and I will forever cherish it. Probably won’t let my own kid drive that young, but you never know.
I had an ‘86 Jeep Cherokee once upon a time. Eventually the engine ended up catching fire every time I drove over 25 mph. Still lasted a year after that, before I handed it off to someone else.
I have a '21 Cherokee as a fleet vehicle from work. It's a completely competent compact crossover. And the 3.2 Pentastar is a pretty decent engine. It's a (slight) shame to see it go.
I was doing just fine until Red Betty and now I'm on the verge of tears.
I wish the Subaru Impreza was on here. It was killed this year to be replaced with a trim of the Crosstrek. The tables have flipped for that model
I feel the Legacy isn't too long for this world over the Impreza.
@@rturner4205 The legacy was announced to be discontinued about 2 years ago. It is in limited markets and will die with the next refresh. I never like the Legacy after it left the Legacy platform with the 5th gen. The VA WRX and Levorg were OK and continued the Legacy platform, but without a wagon in the US and the CVT Subaru is not the same. The current line up other than the WRX cannot even drive both axles at road speed. The rear only gets power with slip so if you are going up a slippery hill and the front wheels catch you lose power to the rear and slide back down or dig a rut.
Ah ha ha ha ha the Norm SNL reference hit me completely unprepared. I laughed pretty hard at that.. Well done.
Awesome work Roman. Please do this every year. Maybe get someone to help you cover Europe Asia and Australia.
Now Chrysler has the saddest lineup ever (if you want to call it that)
Loved that little Norm reference there
The Nissan Maxima was the benchmark of mediocrity. That stoic neighbor down the street you always saw until that day an estate sale sign popped up in the overgrown front yard.
"It removes forever the possibility of that car ever improving"
MGB in 1992: "Hold my beer!"
The high-point of the Chrysler 300 was sharing the cover of Midnight Club 3... and it was all sharply downhill from there. It's a miracle it survived this long.
Every car manufacturer boardroom after 2023: “So what if we stop making cars people like… and make heaping piles of crap instead?”
I feel like the Challenger was the most disappointing loss this year, at least to me. I feel like it was the last of the muscle cars, the last of the original pony cars to hold true to the muscle car formula. And it’s gone now. I’ve always wanted a Challenger, but I’m only 18 and couldn’t even begin to dream of affording one. Sure, the Mustang is still hanging around, but personally I think the Mustang has become more of a sports car than a true muscle car. (But that’s just me.) It just makes me sad that we’re losing such an iconic vehicle, and I feel like I’m being robbed of yet another attainable, fun car. As a young car enthusiast, and as someone who loves ICE’s, it makes me anxious about the future of ICE’s, and just the future of enthusiast vehicles in general. In short, we have lost a real legend. R.I.P. Challenger. Thanks for the good times.
@@zippedmouthgaming5637 Yeah, I’ll keep my hopes up. I thankfully don’t want a Hellcat, I’m more interested in a ScatPack. Hopefully by the time I can afford one, finding a good low mileage one is still possible.
Welcome to the limited choice and subscription based modes of transportation. You will own nothing and like it. Vote with your pocket book is the only way to turn things around.
@@zippedmouthgaming5637 Agreed. I’m sure we’ll see the proverbial “grandpa cars” come out of garages with low miles. Hopefully I can snag one!
@@thejunkman Sounds like a bright future for the enthusiast. 🙄
@@Crankshaft_McGee I have a good stash of pre-connected and early electronic ignition/EFI models that should last me until I am dead. My kids are learning the ropes to keep them going as well. It will be their cross to bear with the eventual dwindling of replacement parts however.
Fusion and Taurus/Flex. Wonderful cars and both tracing their roots deep into my family with the 1st and 2nd gen SHO and the Mystique/Contour which kept my mother alive with minor cuts and bruises in a horrific car accident when the car went roof first into a telephone pole. I ended up buying a SVT Contour is my first car in 2018 and I still have her to this day, and her name is Connie. I bought a daily to keep my SVT alive, and it was Snowball, a 2012 Fusion SEL in pearl white. Great cars for many and if these machines could talk, they'd have some good stories to tell...
Sometimes it is sad to see a brand or model die. I remember being the only person lol that was devastated when Geo was discontinued.
5 am RCR hell yeah