Michael Jackson's Sonic 3
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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2006
- Short documentary I made which describes possible links between Michael Jackson's music and Sonic 3.
**NOTES**
1) In 2019 UA-cam muted clips of audio in this video and in doing so also reduced video quality to 240p. The original untouched version has been uploaded to the Internet Archive for preservation: archive.org/details/michael_j...
2) You can hear a better comparison between the Sonic 3 Ending Credits and the Stranger in Moscow Instrumental here:
qjimbo.com/youtube/S3MJ-Sonic3...
3) An actual audio sample of "Jam!" plays at the climax of the Jam part of Carnival Night Zone. Sampled audio from the Michael Jackson song is stored in the Sonic 3 ROM file (so this is more than just a musical similarity.)
qjimbo.com/youtube/S3MJ-Sonic3...
4) It now appears Sonic 3 and Knuckles Collection on PC did not have it's music "replaced", but instead features what was originally composed by the SEGA's music team for Sonic 3 prior to the involvement of Michael Jackson's team. We learned this when a prototype Genesis/Megadrive version of Sonic the Hedgehog 3 from November 1993 was discovered that features the same music as the PC version.
hiddenpalace.org/Sonic_the_He...
5) In the December 2009 issue of Black & White Magazine, Brad Buxer (credited at the end of Sonic 3) confirmed that Stranger in Moscow and the Sonic 3 Credits use the same chords that both he and Michael Jackson composed together.
info.sonicretro.org/Brad_Buxe...
6) Ice Cap Zone is a reworked version of a song called "Hard Times" written by Brad Buxer for a band he was keyboardist in called "The Jetzons".
• The Jetzons - Hard Times
7) The chord charts shown in this video are incorrect, please disregard them(!)
This description was last updated February 22nd, 2023.
**WATCH**
Oct 20, 2016 - The D-Pad - A Brief History of Michael Jackson's Sonic the Hedgehog 3
• A Brief History of Mic...
Mar 26, 2016 - Qjimbo - 10th Anniversary Special
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Oct 14, 2013 - GameTrailers - Pop Fiction: Season 4: Episode 39: Sonic 3: Michael Jackson
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**READ**
Sonic Retro - Sonic 3's Music Development
info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the...
JAN 25, 2016 - Todd Van Luling - THE MICHAEL JACKSON VIDEO GAME CONSPIRACY
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MAY 19, 2009 - Ken Horowitz (Melf) - Sega Legends: Michael Jackson and Sonic 3
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AUGUST 2005 - HXC - Roger Hector Interview
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**ORIGINAL RELEASE DESCRIPTION**
Short documentary I made which describes possible links between Michael Jackson's music and Sonic 3.
**UPDATED SHORTLY AFTER RELEASE DESCRIPTION**
This Documentary isn't just random comparisons, listen to the start. Roger Hector, who ran SEGA's Technical Institute said Michael was planned to work on it. We have asked SEGA because HE WORKED FOR SEGA! Please take note of this before accusing the documentary of making un-validated claims.
Since this documentary was made, there have been numerous discoveries showing that most of the people featured in the credits list worked with Michael Jackson at some stage.
Also I have had numerous requests for the Who Is It vs Ice Cap mix. The clip is just 21seconds however you can download it here:
qjimbo.com/youtube/2006-WhoIsI...
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Holy crap. I watched this video so long ago. This dude must be feeling so validated after 16 years.
Yayaaaaahhhhh.muffaaaaa 16 years
Saw you just subscribed to me. This video is one of the first things I ever watched on UA-cam! And I thought it was SO cool that someone had taken the time to research and create such an interesting video, and that the medium was there to let it be shared. Thanks for the inspiration. ☺
Glad you enjoyed the video, and it's cool that it inspired you to make your own - I enjoyed your Sonic retrospective and I look forward to seeing more!
The Geek Critique It was one of the first things, that I watched on UA-cam as well.
@@Qjimbo Hi James (Mr. Qjimbo), I had found that you had a Road Rash tribute page (welcometotherash.com) with so many interesting reviews and curiosities. Now we only have access through web.archive.org, but the photos and other things, don't appear anymore :( I was looking for the Road Rash 3 prototype and other things. I'm from a brazilian Mega Drive Community on Brazil. May you relaunch the site or... may you upload this file and others to Mega, Mediafire or other Download sites? Thank you!
@@peixemacaco Hi there, I think you may be thinking of someone else, I didn’t run that site though poking on web archive I see it had the DRX prototype release so someone else in the Sonic or Retro gaming community must have been running it. The Road Rash 3 prototype is still available on HiddenPalace.org - hiddenpalace.org/Road_Rash_3_(Nov_19,_1994_prototype)
@@Qjimbo Ohhh Many thanks to you. Glad you're ok. Qjimbo was mentioned by this site owner, that had delivered the proto to him. Now , you just gave to me the link, Thank you! I was looking for the Road Rash Novel too descript in the page. Well, I will continue searching , thanks again! Keep safe! My channel have some MD games like Super Monaco GP that we play championships till today. Your MJ's Sonic 3 video is one of the most famous here.''
So glad this video is still on UA-cam. One of the most important early UA-cam video. And it's just wild that this video then when I saw it in high school, I still blowing my mind now with the years and years of discovery all the way to the Ice Cap Zone being Hard Times.
not only that but the beta version came out with the alternate tracks
We learn more and more of our favorite games with more time, its so wonderful :)
The theory is FINALLY confirmed!!
At what cost
HE DIED YESTERDAY
Sad
Who’s looking at this comment in 2020 and realizes that he died yesterday when that comment was posted
Did he actually
11 years ago, damn
@@supersonicchaos3601i am actually looking at it in 2023
The Ice Cap Zone melody was actually a track that Brad Buxor slipped in from his former band, the Jetzons', song called, "Hard Times". Check out the song and compare. It recently surfaced on UA-cam as a track that never saw the light of day until just recently. Brad is the only link between the Jetzons and Sonic 3.
You're actually right.
Also look at the Jetzons Hard Times single's vinyl cover. It had the sheets of ice background on the cover.
Im 45, grew up in the 80’s/90’s era of gaming. Thank you kindly for this video it is amazing and I’m just in awe of the collaboration between MJ and SEGA. Playing Moonwalker and Sonic 3 on my modded Xbox emulator tonight.
I still remember when this dropped
I used to have this video saved on my PSP as a kid, good times.
I just wanted to say that your commitment to keeping this video updated to be as factually accurate as possible, even eight years on, is commendable. Well done.
This is the first video I remember watching! Thanks for the memories!
Great video.
For the Icacap Zone the actual reference is from The Jetzons, Hard Times, a 1982 unreleased song.
Song Link: The Jetzons - Hard Times
The keyboardist was involved in S3 as well.
I've listened to Hard Times and some of it to me doesn't sound like IceCap Zone. I'm not dismissing that IceCap and Hard Times aren't the same but listening to IceCap once again after the Hard Times discovery, I hear both that song and Smooth Criminal, especially that Smooth Criminal had already been synthesised in Moonwalker.
Jami393 You are clearly deaf.
Jami393 the keyboardist from the Jetzons is Brad Buxer. who composed the music for sonic 3
Mike Heinlein
Like I said I'm not dismissing it. The part we once connected IceCap and Smooth Criminal I still here in IceCap and not Hard Times, while everything else in IceCap I hear in Hard Times. Except for a sample in IceCap where that is MJ's.
WeStandToFight
And also worked with MJ. I know all this.
Yesterday, a prototype of Sonic 3 was uncovered. The prototype had the same music in Sonic 3 PC on genisis hardware of course. My theory is the PC port was developed exactly along side Sonic 3 for genisis. Mid-way during development, Micheal Jackson was brought on board and added his own compositions. By the time MJ added his music, it was too late to create a new version for the Sonic and Knuckles Collection. That is the true resoning why the Sonic and Knuckles Collection has different music. Really, Sonic 3 has the different music. Hope this was useful
Xity-X Films Makes sense - great theory! That prototype has changed everything we thought we knew, thats for sure.
I doubt the two were developed side by side. Sega took a hiatus from PC in the early 90s during the success of the Genesis and wouldn't dive back into it until the Saturn started struggling.
That theory is wrong
@adib I think it was wrong because I think the original soundtrack had never anything to do with the pc version while it was created.It was meant to be the original soundtrack for sonic 3 or a placeholder for Michael’s soundtrack. The original soundtrack was given because the didn’t had the rights for michael’s music.
@adib oh
Sonic and knuckles collection based its replacement songs on the original tracks made for the game! Before Michael’s work replaced them. I’m blown away by the discoveries still being made
Sega + MJ = The Best
This video blew my mind the first time I watched it back in high school. I always had a deep connection with Sonic 3 the first time I played it that I could never put my finger on.
Coming back to this video after so long brings back great childhood memories.
Yes same here. I use to watch this video a lot, huge can of MJ and huge fan of sonic
As many times I've played sonic as a kid, I never knew Michael's music was in it. Hearing this makes me love Michael even more and wish I had a sega genesis again.
Ice Cap act 1 = The Jetzons: Hard Times
I finally found this video, this was one of the first videos I watched on UA-cam, it's mad to see it again. Awesome work on part 2 too :)
Considering the age of this video, it would be awesome if you made a follow up/remake video. That way, the sound and video quality would be much better and you could implement the corrected information into the video itself instead of through annotations.
Aidyn3000 One day perhaps I will revisit this topic, I have a few other ideas in the pipeline first though!
+Qjimbo if sonic 3 came out in 1993 how could it have music from 1996?
Sometimes musicians can have song in the pipelines for years, Stranger in Moscow could have been revised, rearranged and rewritten many times and when Michael help compose the music for Sonic 3,, he used some inspiration from Stranger in it, he may not have known what zone it was going to be assigned to at the time, and that was probably decided after he stopped being associated with the project..
Krane TheHybrid it has been confirmed that Michael Jackson music was in sonic
100% confirmed by Brad Buxer that MJ worked on Sonic 3's music. That's music to my ears. Thanks MJ. You are brilliant.
That is so awesome that this is still on here! I watched this forever ago.
Regardless of whether or not Sega recognizes this lost partnership, this comparative work could become a great scholarly article in the music field. Very good
This is well put together for a 2006 video!
I find this to be so awesome. Looks like MJs influence reached video games as well. This makes me love the music in Sonic games even more.
I guess I'm watching these again. :D Thanks for keeping these online. :)
That is crazy awesome! I had no idea that Sonic 3's themes and Micheal Jackson's songs crossed paths that way. Ice Cap was one of my favorite themes from the game. He really influenced us in a monumental way. Thanks MJ! You're the greatest of all time!
I'm 99% certain that "Remember the Time" was used a lot aswell, specifically for sound effects in the game such as the lift in Launch Base, and Carnival Night Zone stuff. The sounds are almost identical.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most of the "Dangerous" album ended up in Sonic 3 in some way, shape or form.
In terms of music, Launch Base sounds a bit like "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' too, in terms of chord progression.
Blood on the Dancefloor is the original Knuckles Theme from Sonic 3. It was changed for Sonic & Knuckles and Sonic 3. The same goes for the original Act 1 Boss Theme (which is also Blood on the Dancefloor)
I've been doing a lot of digging and there's far more of MJ's music in Sonic 3 than people realise.
"We here at SEGA were very sad to hear about the passing of Michael Jackson. He was a true music legend whose songs touched each of us at some point in our lives. We are proud to have worked with him and included his music in some of our most well-remembered gameS and are sure that his genius will live on through his great body of work. We have no doubt that future generations will be moonwalking to all his greatest hits."
Just analyses this sentence. You can search in google too.
I am so glad that I have seen this before GT, and I am glad that they personally glad that GT gave you some credit! Keep on working on!
MJ was a performer, a composer, a singer, a director and productor
Very cool
Awesome great video thank you! :-)
This is so interesting.
As a composer myself I can say that many chord structures can be found in multiple songs. E.G. The chords Am, F, G, Em can be found in lots of songs such as Ice Cap Zone and Savage Garden's chorus To The Moon And Back & the verse is the same as J-Lo's Waiting For Tonight chords. These examples are everywhere.
Finally!!Someone brings a proper explanation showing proof of these kind of things! Thank you Qjimbo!!
I recommend everyone look at that first link in the description. Incredible. This is still one of the greatest "Fun Facts" in videogame history.
EVEN IF MICHAEL DIDN'T COMPOSE THE MAJORITY OF THE SONGS OR SOME, IM STILL HAPPY THAT HE COMPOSED THE ENDING CREDITS, THAT WAS AMAZING
As much as MJ loved to see children happy, it's very sad that he died, most likely, oblivious to the joy he brought to millions of kids with these amazing tunes.
RIP, Michael. :(
Awesome video!
Seriously? No note of the Sonic 3 minor bossfight music featuring very obvious MJ vocals?
Go listen to it on UA-cam, everybody!
pls do video about the prototype
I will try!
It's been YEARS since I last saw this video. Congrats on your view count!
Qjimbo it's been 16 years since this came out. 2 million views later. I remember when we were on Glowing Bridge and you had came out with this series.
Those were the days.
Actually, I highly doubt the tracks were removed from the PC version for legal reasons. The Sega Genesis uses an FM chip called the OPN. The PC used an OPL chip, most often the OPL3. OPN chips can play sampled sounds along with the music, but OPL3 chips cannot. It is far more likely that the tracks were changed for the PC version because they were incapable of being played on it.
Also worthy of note, in the Sonic & Knuckles collection, Hydrocity Act 1, which is clearly Michael Jackson's style of music, is still there.
I think the reason the tracks were replaced is simply because Michael insisted on using samples. If it was a legal reason, they wouldn't have been released on the Genesis to begin with.
NAB622 the chip used in the Genesis is the OPN2, secondly, Hydrocity Zone wasn't composed by MJ, neither was Marble Garden Zone (composed by Miyoko Takaoka, confirmed via twitter)
Maybe that's also the case, but that just gives more evidence that the sample heavy tracks were from MJ's team, I don't see how it discredits him at all. Not to mention PC's by 1997 were also using General Midi, so they didn't have to play back in FM. Also, the MIDIs themselves aren't actually the same from the Genesis. While they are mostly accurate, some note errors exist in songs, such as Angel Island.
So in my opinion, the guys who implemented the MIDIs into the PC version (Shigeaki Irie, Masaaki Nishizawa, and Goro Takahashi, none of them SEGA employees) either didn't have legal rights to the tracks, or they were simply too lazy to remove/add generic replacement for the samples. Which sounds more likely to you?
While I can understand how somebody could come to that conclusion if they just took the comparisons, this video doesn't simply highlight those.
How could this simply be an internet rumor if Roger Hector himself, the man in charge at STI while Sonic 3 was being developed there, stated clearly that Michael Jackson was brought in to write the music?
Why is it that 90% the people in the credits of Sonic 3 have worked with MJ at some point, such as Brad Buxer?
This is more than a rumour.
One of my favourite games, and i'm sure you had at least some part in it. you didn't get the credit, but we still love and thank you Mikey
I should have know that the credits was some what similar to a MJ song I didn't listen to Jam much back in the 90's when I had sonic 3 but I can see these songs are without a doubt near the same.
thanks for uploading this Qjimbo you are one smartass :D
Gametrailers brought me here
Still one of the best videos on UA-cam
Brad Buxer is credited for working on Sonic 3 and other Sega Genesis titles. A startling fact, is that Brad Buxer was also Michael Jackson's Keyboardist and top guy in planning how the music would be played in his concerts. I know for a fact that Brad worked for Mike during the Dangerous and History Tour. He may have worked with him even on the Bad tour.
Great video - I had no idea until now.
wow this explains why i loved the music in sonic 3 so much!
awesome video
oh my God, I knew Michael Jackson did the Sonic 3 Soundtrack, but I didn't herd it before, sounds so cool
I have to contest the ice cap zone comparison. I'm glad there was text put over it - the chords aren't even close, and each have a very different motivic structure.
WOW that's amazing I've played these games over and over and never noticed till now no wonder i liked the game so much
This is so interesting! I never knew he worked on Sonic 3!
ineteresting innformation....excelent work!!!!
One of the 1st videos I've ever watched... Is back!
when i first heard of stranger in moscow, i couldnt make out the sonic 3 credits, but listening harder, they are there in the background
You're a genius. Amazing.
I KNEW Sonic 3 had some connection to MJ's Songs. thanx for breaking it down for us. long live MJ and Sonic 3
WOW what an amazing find, and to think you basically previewed michaels music years before it was released ha.
Great analysis
Yet another comment telling you how this was one of my favorite videos in the days of early UA-cam, 6th or 7th grade for me. I remember watching this on my dads laptop in his room. ironically, I was actually obsessed with Michael Jackson at the time and downloading all his music; and sonic was my favorite video game franchise since childhood. most of my friends thought it was boring or weird but it was very interesting and well narrated (:
it's so hard to find old UA-cam videos now! maybe there is some filter on the desktop site to sort by year but this one slipped away from me until the other week.
Thanks for sharing your story and glad you found it! Those old trending videos from way back then have sort of been lost to time, even if they are still technically on YT.
@@Qjimbo yeah it's crazy seeing that when I have these memories and can't find videos I watched a hundred times.
did you see the whole Sonic Origins controversy as well as the Sonic 3 Beta from a few years back?
@@tylerd1297 Yep, saw the beta, that really helped to clarify things. The Origins issue kind of an inevitable outcome unfortunately, it is remarkable how this whole thing persists to this day.
Myx Philippines is playing the old and rare Jackson 5 videos. Rest and peace
the end credits really proved it to me, the game came out in 1991, stranger in moscow 1995, michael was really incredible. rip king! there will never be anyone as epic as you
You know the most awesome thing about this vid? That Qjimbo was able to admit where he was wrong in parts, that's a rare occurrence on the net and should be applauded.
It took me awhile to understand it too. I had to do a lot of reading on the subject.
i love this video, but the "hard times jetzons" song has break the idea that i have of the ice cap zone song origin...
if looks that mj works along his comrade musician, for remake a little that song that this guy created in that unreleased 1982 song ... as i read in that youtube hard times song comments and also in the net.
anyway... is really really interesting! ;)
and i love that hard times song!. hehe
ice cap zone was my favourite sonic 3 melody, along with the credits song that finally become into strangers in moscow years after the sonic 3 game release.
greetings ;)
What?! Really! I'm so pumped now!
I think I heard that tune he used for "stranger in moscow" (the first basic melody) in some other stuff before he even used it in that song OR the game. That same key too. Instruments. Everything.
this was one of my early UA-cam videos i saw . anybody here after the Sonic 3 prototype was found?
Holy shit, the Ice Cap/Who Is It composite blew my mind.
you know this kinda makes since. I always felt that the music sounded some what familiar everytime I played this game
Wow I was 3 when this video came out
The M Thanks for making me feel old
Qjimbo ,you're welcome
I wasn't even 1 yet at that time
For my University course, our group were discussing video game music and how some early VGM were covers of already existing songs. I told the lecturer about this video and he used it for the other group.
So congratulations on having this as a mildly academic source, I guess.
I remember when I played Sonic 3 as a kid it reminded me alot of Michael Jacksons music, which I was a fan of at the time.
I noticed in completing Sonic 3 i slowed the soundtrack down as the credits played and it sounds virtually Identical to this, if you speed up this song it sounds like stranger moscow to a degree
Michael forever. We miss you.
Sonic and Michael Jackson...
it doesnt get more better than that.
R.I.P Michael.
@Jami393 If you listen closely to the Competition menu it resembles the song "Just Good Friends" off the Bad album, especially those synthesizers and drum arrangement.
I just did that, and I do hear it.
This is amazin'. I had no idea MJ did music for Sonic.
R.I.P to the legend!
omg, the credits are perfectly I identical, omg...I can't believe it.
RIP MJ,we will miss u so much cmao!
This is really interesting to me, I have been a hardcore sonic fan since I was a kid and the sonic 3 music I always stuck out in my head. The music is so different from any other game's music for its time if you go back and play it. Those "faint shouts" I always heard puzzled me. What a strange thing to put into a game, I always thought. But that is kind of like MJ's signature thing. I am glad I saw this, now I understand why the music in the game is crazy. Cause it was mj inspired :D
Legit or not, that mashup of Ice Cap zone and Who is it is legendary. Please give us a full-track mashup of that one that way :D
I didn't notice that when i was a kid but, now its coming back to me. lol wow. interesting video.
wow simply amazing
I think i'll play this game today or tomorrow. Always loved it!!!
R.I.P., Michael Jackson. You will be missed. :(
thanks again Michael Jackson R.I.P
Still can't believe he's dead... RIP MJ... thank you for giving Sonic 3 your magic x
MINDBLOWN
Wether MJ did it or not he will be missed for his work. We love ya MJ! Sonic 3 was one of the best Sonic Games ever, and part of the reason might be from his composed music! Let his music live on!
REST IN PEACE KING OF POP
Thank you Michael...
I'd day Carnival Night is bang on especially that it has a sample taken directly from Jam by MJ. IceCap which is said to be Who Is It, which it isn't because it's a version of part of Smooth Criminal, can be heard even better on Sonic Retro because they have a page on MJ and Sonic 3. Launch Base I believe to be an original composition for the game, the same with the Competition Menu, S3 Credits are Stranger in Moscow, and Knuckles' Theme and Miniboss are based on the New Jack Swing in MJ's songs
Your right with your info there, and some other chords only found in Smooth Criminal, can be heard in IceCap Zone's tracks.