Okay I won’t throw shade at heihachi now since we haven’t gotten an explanation on his return wen there COULD be an explanation, but if we get the story and they don’t explain heihachi’s return and even who reina is then I will be very disappointed/upset.
@@Spades20XX tbh Lars inherited heihachi’s electric sparks and still has heihachi’s electric sparkles in tekken 8 (the light blue electric sparkles from tekken 7) along with his own unique electric sparkles (the light purple) in tekken 8. As we saw in heihachi’s trailer, heihachi now has Reina’s electric particles, no longer his own generic electric particles (the light blue) this hints that the heihachi we see isn’t the real one
@@Spades20XX jin, reina and kazuya has the Smokey electric sparks in 8 due to the devil gene I’m assuming since Lars doesn’t have the Smokey electrics, this means heihachi has to have the devil gene
Of course, the return of Heihachi to the story reflects the depletion of creativity in the minds of the game developers and their despair after suffering from a lack of innovation, along with the purely commercial, corrupt global direction focused solely on making money without any artistic or creative value worthy of selling millions of copies. I hold the gaming community partly responsible for this neglect, as they accept this disrespect because they accept everything. Jun will appear as if she is alive with the appearance of a 28-year-old, and oger may return as well, along with Jinpachi coming back in a ridiculous resurrection.
I agree that Jun looks way too young (younger than her Tag 2 appearance which I personally enjoyed) but I don’t see this as “depleted creativity or “lack of innovation”. A lack of innovation in the series would be another game like Tekken 7. The developers were bold enough to develop a new system and even retool it after consumer feedback (Heat gauge from the first beta to now is vastly different) but many players are so caught up in being upset that it isn’t their perfect Tekken that we actually haven’t respected an attempt at new ways of balancing. Obviously not everything thrown at the wall sticks, and there are definitely painful business practices but “lack of innovation” and “depleted creativity” are hard disagreements from me personally. TEKKEN is a business product yes, but I do believe Harada is leading with some absolute passion and it shows in his in-depth tweets about the business, Tekken narrative and personal investment in the game’s reputation.
@Spades20XX From the writing perspective, I don't agree. but in terms of the effort they put into the game design, costumes, and the new system, yes, this game truly looks beautiful and has significant differences for the first time since Tekken 5. However, when it comes to the delivering a story worthy of the legacy and the years, and subjecting it to scrutiny and criticism free from feelings of love for the game, you'll find that the story is a never-ending loop... Maybe the story isn't important to the professional players, but in every game, the story matters to me. This is my personal opinion.
Definitely bad writing. That's what happens when you make a fighting game's story so narrative driven and give a sense of finality to one of its characters, that in the next entry or even further updates, all of that will be invalidated. Probably Capcom knows this and that's why they haven't given us a Ryu vs Akuma The Last Stand, because we all know they would back down from the result, sooner or later.
@@millimeterpeterderekjeter Reina is a stance character with evasive properties. Did you really think she was a replacement or were you just told that?
If you look at the lore of tekken, Heihachi survived many live endings, so its not surprising that his back, look up his timeline between tekken 4 and 6, his as was underground for whole tekken 5 timeline (its cannon) and came back like nothing happened withoud food and drink (at that point i think he have some kind of devil gen in him LMAO)
I'm interested in the interaction between Devil Reina and Heihachi, will Reina be Heihachi's subordinate or will the devil gene just make her more arrogant and basically create a kazuya 2.0 where she wants all the power for herself? There is also the unnatural way that Heihachi is being brought back and whether he will have new supernatural powers of his own
As someone who isn't a big tekken fan. This was interesting. The storyline has to be consistent if the game prides itself on its quality, long as their is a reasonable writing reason any character can be brought back, especially one that might excel with new systems and updates. I feel people are more unhappy it wasn't their favorite character
This is not correct. Tekken 1 to 3 had a cohesive and strange direction. Even then, despite its simple storytelling and plot, it was surprising to portray the return of the villain in the second part as the hero, the death of the original hero in the second part, the appearance of the son in the third part, and the death of Kazuya's supposed wife. Tekken was bold and unpredictable. In Tekken 4, Kazuya returned, which was a beautiful surprise, and Tekken 4 had the strongest story and presentation, not just for Mishima but for the entire saga."
Everything? Like his character development? The story of Kazumi? Akuma? Jin coming to terms with his Devil Gene and beginning a redemption arc? Kazuya reaching his personal peak? Also, who said Heihachi *didn’t* die in the volcano? What exactly are we seeing when we look at Heihachi’s character model and the character you see coming out of the volcano? How do we reconcile them to be the exact same person? I think we should ask more questions and wait for definitive answers before saying “everything is pointless”. As someone who thinks the story of Tekken is better than most fighting game fans give it credit for, I just can’t call bullshit here.
Saying that none of the other Mishimas represent the original style is just false tho????? If you know how to play Kazuya in Tekken 8 you can carry that all the way back to Tekken 1 and 2 and Kazuya was just a simpler Heihachi. He has hellsweep, electric god fist, upercut, twin pistons, etc
Kazuya is the closest character variant to Heihachi, yes. However the game is developed specifically to have each character play different from another to create character identity. You separate Kazuya and Heihachi through Kazuya’s devil attacks and more defensive playable/ 50-50s. Heihachi cannot be replicated unless it is Heihachi himself.
@@Spades20XX yeah but Kazuya also represents the og style, they were both introduced in Tekken 1. Of course Heihachi cannot be replaced, he's the only protagonist to be in every game and there's a reason for that, even Kazuya was replaced by Jin during Tekken 3
@@floreziwi you’re kinda agreeing with my point and disagreeing. Yes Kazuya represents an original Mishima style since he came from the first game alongside Heihachi, but to my greater point in the video, they have different interpretations of the style developing throughout the series, and Heihachi still has an identity all his own that is also an original Mishima style, with classic Mishima attacks that Kazuya does not have or no longer has. Saying “Kazuya represents THE OG Mishima style” is kinda right, and kinda wrong. Everyone has something to also add to their Mishima style and Heihachi doesn’t, narratively and in gameplay. It’s just Mishima style Karate. Although based on HOW he’s brought back narratively he might be different from T7 Heihachi too 🤔
@@floreziwi no offense was taken at all! I enjoy discussing stuff like this and you are valid in saying that Kazuya does still have a strong original Mishima identity
Why is everyone talking about the story? Tekken's story has literally always been terrible. It's a fighting game, not a drama. I'm here to compete not watch a soap opera.
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Okay I won’t throw shade at heihachi now since we haven’t gotten an explanation on his return wen there COULD be an explanation, but if we get the story and they don’t explain heihachi’s return and even who reina is then I will be very disappointed/upset.
@@IzuMido-t1m that’s all I’m asking! I just made a new post on my channel that strongly suggests there’s an actual explanation too
@@Spades20XX tbh Lars inherited heihachi’s electric sparks and still has heihachi’s electric sparkles in tekken 8 (the light blue electric sparkles from tekken 7) along with his own unique electric sparkles (the light purple) in tekken 8. As we saw in heihachi’s trailer, heihachi now has Reina’s electric particles, no longer his own generic electric particles (the light blue) this hints that the heihachi we see isn’t the real one
@@Spades20XX jin, reina and kazuya has the Smokey electric sparks in 8 due to the devil gene I’m assuming since Lars doesn’t have the Smokey electrics, this means heihachi has to have the devil gene
We’re going to have to pay for Heihachi’s diaper outfit, I can see it now.
Fundoshi LMAO
We'll have to pay to play Heihachi on a Tekken game ffs
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Yoooo that Kendrick intro was hard af
@@popshot8898 bro thank you! Was really proud of how it came out
Of course, the return of Heihachi to the story reflects the depletion of creativity in the minds of the game developers and their despair after suffering from a lack of innovation, along with the purely commercial, corrupt global direction focused solely on making money without any artistic or creative value worthy of selling millions of copies. I hold the gaming community partly responsible for this neglect, as they accept this disrespect because they accept everything. Jun will appear as if she is alive with the appearance of a 28-year-old, and oger may return as well, along with Jinpachi coming back in a ridiculous resurrection.
I agree that Jun looks way too young (younger than her Tag 2 appearance which I personally enjoyed) but I don’t see this as “depleted creativity or “lack of innovation”.
A lack of innovation in the series would be another game like Tekken 7. The developers were bold enough to develop a new system and even retool it after consumer feedback (Heat gauge from the first beta to now is vastly different) but many players are so caught up in being upset that it isn’t their perfect Tekken that we actually haven’t respected an attempt at new ways of balancing.
Obviously not everything thrown at the wall sticks, and there are definitely painful business practices but “lack of innovation” and “depleted creativity” are hard disagreements from me personally. TEKKEN is a business product yes, but I do believe Harada is leading with some absolute passion and it shows in his in-depth tweets about the business, Tekken narrative and personal investment in the game’s reputation.
@Spades20XX From the writing perspective, I don't agree. but in terms of the effort they put into the game design, costumes, and the new system, yes, this game truly looks beautiful and has significant differences for the first time since Tekken 5. However, when it comes to the delivering a story worthy of the legacy and the years, and subjecting it to scrutiny and criticism free from feelings of love for the game, you'll find that the story is a never-ending loop... Maybe the story isn't important to the professional players, but in every game, the story matters to me. This is my personal opinion.
the not so hidden dumbassery behind bringing him back the game after he died
Definitely bad writing. That's what happens when you make a fighting game's story so narrative driven and give a sense of finality to one of its characters, that in the next entry or even further updates, all of that will be invalidated.
Probably Capcom knows this and that's why they haven't given us a Ryu vs Akuma The Last Stand, because we all know they would back down from the result, sooner or later.
I thought adding Reina was supposed to be the Heihachi replacement, bringing him back is just lazy and stupid
Completely different play styles. Heihachi needed to come back.
@@millimeterpeterderekjeter Reina is a stance character with evasive properties. Did you really think she was a replacement or were you just told that?
If you look at the lore of tekken, Heihachi survived many live endings, so its not surprising that his back, look up his timeline between tekken 4 and 6, his as was underground for whole tekken 5 timeline (its cannon) and came back like nothing happened withoud food and drink (at that point i think he have some kind of devil gen in him LMAO)
I'm interested in the interaction between Devil Reina and Heihachi, will Reina be Heihachi's subordinate or will the devil gene just make her more arrogant and basically create a kazuya 2.0 where she wants all the power for herself? There is also the unnatural way that Heihachi is being brought back and whether he will have new supernatural powers of his own
Wrestling fan chants: Same old shit! Same old shit! Same old shit!
As someone who isn't a big tekken fan. This was interesting. The storyline has to be consistent if the game prides itself on its quality, long as their is a reasonable writing reason any character can be brought back, especially one that might excel with new systems and updates. I feel people are more unhappy it wasn't their favorite character
I hope they wont ruin him as they did with dragunov
It’s definitely bad writing, or at the least way too soon.
Tekken has never had good writing.
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This is not correct. Tekken 1 to 3 had a cohesive and strange direction. Even then, despite its simple storytelling and plot, it was surprising to portray the return of the villain in the second part as the hero, the death of the original hero in the second part, the appearance of the son in the third part, and the death of Kazuya's supposed wife. Tekken was bold and unpredictable. In Tekken 4, Kazuya returned, which was a beautiful surprise, and Tekken 4 had the strongest story and presentation, not just for Mishima but for the entire saga."
Heihachi the GOAT
@@JonJondagr3test Yessirr
i think him coming back is a great twist
i just wanna see heihachi in tournament
Is it possible the story DLC could be expertly written and completely justify bringing Heihachi back to life? Yes. Unlikely but possible.
Fool me once (tekken 1) shame on you, fool me twice (tekken 5) shame on me, fool me 3 times (tekken 7) now its over for you
having Hei return to t8 is bullshit. tekken 7's story just gets completely ret-conned and makes everything pointless.
Everything? Like his character development? The story of Kazumi? Akuma? Jin coming to terms with his Devil Gene and beginning a redemption arc? Kazuya reaching his personal peak?
Also, who said Heihachi *didn’t* die in the volcano? What exactly are we seeing when we look at Heihachi’s character model and the character you see coming out of the volcano? How do we reconcile them to be the exact same person?
I think we should ask more questions and wait for definitive answers before saying “everything is pointless”. As someone who thinks the story of Tekken is better than most fighting game fans give it credit for, I just can’t call bullshit here.
@@Spades20XX
Better than most Fighting Games?
Ok Buddy You Genuinely Tweaking
@@SuperFusionAJ93 that’s how I feel bro, you ain’t gotta like it.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Amazing soundtrack in the Conclusion, what's the name of the song?
Heart Breaks 2005 by DUSQK
"Good Writing"
Yeah Ok...
Saying that none of the other Mishimas represent the original style is just false tho????? If you know how to play Kazuya in Tekken 8 you can carry that all the way back to Tekken 1 and 2 and Kazuya was just a simpler Heihachi. He has hellsweep, electric god fist, upercut, twin pistons, etc
Kazuya is the closest character variant to Heihachi, yes. However the game is developed specifically to have each character play different from another to create character identity. You separate Kazuya and Heihachi through Kazuya’s devil attacks and more defensive playable/ 50-50s.
Heihachi cannot be replicated unless it is Heihachi himself.
@@Spades20XX yeah but Kazuya also represents the og style, they were both introduced in Tekken 1. Of course Heihachi cannot be replaced, he's the only protagonist to be in every game and there's a reason for that, even Kazuya was replaced by Jin during Tekken 3
@@floreziwi you’re kinda agreeing with my point and disagreeing. Yes Kazuya represents an original Mishima style since he came from the first game alongside Heihachi, but to my greater point in the video, they have different interpretations of the style developing throughout the series, and Heihachi still has an identity all his own that is also an original Mishima style, with classic Mishima attacks that Kazuya does not have or no longer has.
Saying “Kazuya represents THE OG Mishima style” is kinda right, and kinda wrong. Everyone has something to also add to their Mishima style and Heihachi doesn’t, narratively and in gameplay. It’s just Mishima style Karate.
Although based on HOW he’s brought back narratively he might be different from T7 Heihachi too 🤔
@@Spades20XX sure I only disagreed with that specific part, rest of the video was really well developed 💪
@@floreziwi no offense was taken at all! I enjoy discussing stuff like this and you are valid in saying that Kazuya does still have a strong original Mishima identity
Why is everyone talking about the story? Tekken's story has literally always been terrible. It's a fighting game, not a drama. I'm here to compete not watch a soap opera.