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Single Amp Solution? AudioControl LC-5.1300 Five Channel Amp Dyno Test and Review {4K}
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Your channel should be called (Williston BASS labs)
you do nothing else. only bass and bass amplifiers !
You like living on the dangerous side 1 Ohms
This would be perfect for me but I prefer to have my Subs & Stereo not mono at my old age
Those speaker connections shouldn't be a problem. I just use wire ferreles on those types of connections. Makes for a neater and reusable connection👍
Wheelie awesome man! Love seeing new toys and old school.... New toys obviously have some cool stuff I wish we had back then, but it's also hard to beat some old school stuff. May not always be as efficient and flashy, but chances are if taken care of, it'll still work 20 years later and new stuff might too... If the app is still supported and all 🤣 (for those new fangled things that use apps to get to functions) Have a great day y'all!!
Audio control is by far my favorite brand. It could be because I’m biased as their facility is about an hour from my house but I choose to believe it’s because they are arguably the highest quality brand in the game and have been for decades
You get a high quality product for what you pay. There a company that's not out there to rip you off and want to give you a quality product for the dollar. I also feel like they will be around for a long time
Agreed, them and JL Audio are two of my top popular brands.
They finally switched the inserts to Allen’s key! This amp is 😍😍
Allen tired of us jacking his keys
My LC6.1200 and Epicenter 1200 have semi stripped Phillips inserts. I hope these Allen heads are a direct drop in.
you mean on fire with the junk caps and no fan to control the heat !
@@craigengelman4534 there are so many flavors in this world and you always choose salt!
@@wal - Awesome video as always and really appreciate all the info you give us !!!! Still would like the info on your sub box tho !!!
Seems like a super legit one box solution. This video made me think about buying one, then I remembered I haven't had a bon stock car stereo since 95
I honestly believe that Audio Control makes the best amps, and over engineers their product line for noobs like me. I have an amazing 4 channel. American 🇺🇸 company that produces a quality electronic product in America. Seldom seen!
Thanks Williston, and thank Audio Control.
Lets raise some money to buy BigD some pin connectors or banana plugs so he doesnt have to keep twisting up the ends of his speaker cable! Poor Guy...
Or even just some ferrules - yes!!
@@ronskopitz2360 yes furrules. However; that and the rest take it out of what most people too.
One word on the speaker connections, ferrules. Only way to safely input or output on those tiny connectors. My LC1.800 is the same way.👍🏼
Good point 👍
You can also just let solder soak into the exposed wire.
100% . I do see his point for sure tho. Could have taken that extra step .
even with ferrules 1 strand of wire and toast its in a car so you get vibration . for $800 your better off with 4 channel and sub amp . no fans ,no remote ,Yuscon Caps= pass
It appears as though this is a much better value then something comparable from JL that retails over $1,200. Awesome video, great info!
Your opinion
JL Audio is pretty much decayed due to the fact of their overpriced big-headed concept there's still a few people running their subwoofers but that's about it.. .
I have the lc 6 1200 , such clean amplifier.. all of the included features make it worth the money. The built in clipping lights are soo helpful setting it up without owning an RTA or other equipment.. running 4 6x9 Pioneer D Series in the doors,, and bridged 5&6 to a 12 inch Kicker CompRT .. sounds awesome.. looking to move the sub to a mono block next, and hook up the dash speakers. saving up the money 💰 the built in channel summing is also awesome. I recommend Audio Control to anyone who can afford it..
AC makes excellent amps!
I'm having a similar system installed with this same amp. Have the same subwoofer. What ga power wire are you running it with? Will it be fine with 4 ga ofc power wire?
@Chandy the wire guage needed is based on the max amperage that will be required. The LC61200 is fused at 120amps, so as long as your cable run is less than 13ish feet, you should be fine. I ran 4 guage originally, but when I reinstalled in my next truck, I used 1/0 since I plan to run a dedicated monoblock from the same power source. Make sure to have a good fuse close to your battery or alternator wherever you source your power from.
In regards to tuning if you're interested.. kicker provides audio test tones you can download, like 40hz, sweeps, pink noise...etc stick with the -5dB versions unless you know or want to know what all that means, Google will help!
You first need to find where your head unit clips at ...
Disconnect your speakers from the amp make sure the bass knob is turned all the way up for all of this... dont want to blow a speaker while tuning like I did 😶
Play the associated audio track (use headphone jack, not Bluetooth its a cleaner signal) keep turning up the volume on your head unit and look for the MILC light to start flickering, not on solid. This is the maximum you should ever turn your head unit up to. Some high quality headunits wont clip, so you may never see the MILC light come on..
Once that is figured out, play the track again and turn up levels/gains until the Maximized lights on the amp channels start to flicker but are not on solid. In my case I played the pink noise for my door speaker channels ( 1, 2, 3 and 4) and the 40hz for the bridged sub channels( 5 and 6).
That should give you a safe tune where you won't blow anything up.. from there I would play the typical kind of music you listen to (with speakers connected) and do some fine adjusting.
Main thing is you don't want the MILC or Maximized lights on solid, it's OK if they blink and maybe go solid for a half a second or something.
Don't be afraid to call Audio Control tech support if you have questions, they have always been super helpful and spend the time with you answering whatever questions they can.
There are some other more technical ways to tune using an oscilloscope or an actual RTA but that depends on how much money you have to spend tuning..
Good luck, you will be very happy, I have had my LC61200 for going on 8 years and have had no problems. High quality stuff!
@djmjr4827 Thanks for your advice! I have a 2019 Toyota Tundra. Installing the infinity kappa components with a 2" midrange makes it a 3 way in the front and coaxial in the rear. Will it be good to use factory speaker wire? Or should I run 16 ga speaker wire to the doors?
I got mine last week really impressed 👍
Got mine today , what’s your thoughts ?
That's a good design. Tightly regulated and properly rated. There's a reason why they don't guarantee 1 ohm capability. The amp's power supply and output transistors need to have adequate capacity for the unexpected (i.e. reactive loads) so they don't let out the magic smoke. Relying on so called protection circuits isn't the answer as well. Yes there needs to be protection against catastrophic failure as well as fusing but these are safety measures and only spring into action when needed!
Notice too, a good amp barely if at all shows a peep out of the red distortion LED until the amp reaches its limit and the waveform is no longer a nice round sine wave. Lesser designs splatter and do all sorts of nasty stuff while still racking up watts. Which one would you rather listen to? ;-)
Not to mention in many installs where the amp is connected directly the driver voice coil (active x-over) there is no protection whatsoever for the driver. Woofers and mid basses are acceptably tolerant but tweeters? Forget about it!
Considering the RCA's are literally BOLTED to the front panel, i would consider them PANEL MOUNT, although they are slightly different designs, that keeps the force off the circuit board quite well. Not a negative, just a different design
I was going to say that and tiffany style is great for 2 or 1 channel amps. The nuts take up space and this is a space saving design.
Sounded super clean. They definitely make good amps if you can afford it. Wish I would of known they were in my backyard back in high school and college days.
I love audio control's stuff, I wish their home audio stuff was more affordable, it's outrageously expensive.
Good headroom for transient spikes I wouldent expect any less from audio control. Seems to be the only company that stayed true to themselfs
I got my very first EpiCenter in the late 80's when I was just old enough to get my first car. Oh the memories!!
Yessir! Got mine used in 92. That’s the only reason I’m even aware of Audio Control.
I actually grew up a stones throw from their HQ/factory in Kent Wash. (I'm from Puyallup close to there) But they were a pretty small outfit back then.
I've always been a RF fan boy but man Audio Control is going to be seeing some of my hard earned money! Great vid D. AC may not send you another amp after watching the after credits 😂😂😂
Reminds me of my fosgate 600a5 . The fosgate has hp/LP bass boost on all channels so it can be used just for subs. All in one solutions is nice . It's the only 5 channel I have
Man thats a nice one amp for all option! Pricey, but you do get what you pay for, and Audio Control is quality stuff.
Audio Control is the best company ever!! many years ago i had a 4ch eq go bad on me and they fixed for me for free!!
Badass amp 100%
Hey Big D! Great videos as always! One thing of note about these LC series amplifiers is that they are designed by Robert Zeff and Nikola Engineering! I know you know that name! These are very similar to the Arc X2 series amplifiers. I actually have the LC1200.6 running a 3way fully active front stage and an oldschool Rockford bd1000 on my sub in my car. I can tell you these are extremely clean sounding amps! Thanks again for all you're doing for the car audio community!✌
We need a barevids full analysis!
I'm having a hard time believing this is only a 12awg (2mm²) cable at 4:40. I agree that they should have shosen the outher connections for bridged mode. Eighter way in my opinion the cable size you choose should not expose the wiring so much when correctly connected. Thanks for a great video once again.
Fun fact: 5 year warranty.
Genuine question: are there any other companies in the car audio space with a comparable warranty period?
Five years from the date of purchase, provided it is installed by an authorized AudioControl dealer
@@bryantopp174 Good catch, that is quite disappointing.
@@bryantopp174 Exactly.
Sony's new GS series subs and XM-GS amps (watch out JL) are 3 years as long as it's installed by an authorized dealer.
@@bryantopp174 that is not true. Warranty is still honored if purchased directly from any authorized online dealer. Such as crutchfield or abt
On the top cover removal: You don't need to take the back screws out, they are only sort of "hooks" under the lip in the back.
The front screws don't need to be fully removed. You unscrew them about halfway and the you lift up the front and slide the cover back to release the "hook" screws in the back.
This info is in the owner's manual as well. All of the new Audiocontrol LC and DM amps have the same top cover removal.
It's kinda weird. I wish they would have just make actual hooks instead of using screws that way.
Put some Pinkk floyd Welcome to the machine. It tortures many speakers and amplifiers, I know they would probably demonitise your video for doing it but what a good test. Never mind this electronic auto tune crap
I like the fact they don't go below 2ohm stability. Cerwin Vega stroker amps do that also. Efficiency and sq.
yeah would like to see some of the new Cerwin vega Stroker and Stroker pro amps on the dyno, particularly the multichannel ones. i guess they will do very well on the tests.
Halfway tempted to get a industrial power supply and hook this up to the preouts of the hometheater. Now that would make a video
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
But in a good way!
Audio Control does make Home audio amplifiers etc.
@@K-Effect what’s the fun in that?
Awesome piece of equipment big D. The efficiency is incredible. Considering the price point and the features this amp is definitely designed exclusively for folks with brand new or leased vehicles that have complex factory systems that are difficult to upgrade. I can't think of a reason to use this with an aftermarket head unit since most decent ones all have plenty of EQ & crossovers built in
This is an excellent lil 5 channel amp!
Beautiful clean looking amp . Great choice for add on stock radio. Excellent choice for SQ quality. Love audiocontrol products.
Agreed, they make only top quality products
audio control, putting in work!
I like the looks of all Audio Control items. Beauty through purposeful design.
The only benefit with buying this amp vs both the LCD 4.800 and LCD 1.800 is the footprint. I own both the others and spent less money than paying for this one.
The two separate amps would be better, this one is a great all in one solution
@@wal yes it is. No distribution blocks for power needed with just one amp.
Audio Control always seems to make solid gear. Looking at possibly getting a DQ-61 or similar for adding my own amps and speakers to a factory system.
"Next up - something not recommended by audio control"
*cuts to cape cod chip commercial*
Too perfect
🤣
Nice video man.that is one sweet amp,nice power ad tuning options
It will be real interesting to see what Sam @ Barevids thinks about the design. As it's not just a cookie cutter that is in the majority of the market..
Also what sort of load was the amp seeing with wired at 1ohm to the HiQ's ?? As box rise would need to be taken into account..
So it is quite a possibility you could wire it to 1ohm, but the amp might not see the 1ohm load.. Awesome vid as usual :)
Agreed on all points!
The price is on the high side. BUT, this is a do-all amp for someone looking to easily power an upgraded factory system without the need for LOC's. What I'd like to see from AudioControl is adapter plugs for factory systems that go directly from the factory amp output to the high level input. It would make this more plug'n'play and appealing to a wider audience.
Factory amp output? Meaning the positive and negative on the speakers in a stock car audio system? That’s what the high level uses for input
@@greglatta1 Exactly. For instance, if you're adding this to a factory Alpine system in a Ram/Jeep it'd be nice if they made a jumper that plugged directly in to the output of the factory amp and directly in to the high level input on the AC amp. Save some time of running wires, and it'd be more plug'n'play.
Very informative video as always! I would like to see some German amps like Helix. Helix M series would be great! :)
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I agree, Helix would be superinteresting too see your opinion om 😁 .
Your meant to use wire ends on the speaker outputs. thanks for sharing
I used to love AudioControl sounded great till it didn't in November just before the start of covid19 after saving up 2 years at a shop near me they ordered and installed for me a dm-810 dsp , two D-4.800's and lc-1.1500 sub amp 2 sets front Alpine x series 6.5 Component Set rear ALPINE X Series 6x9 Component set and 4 JL AUDIO 10TW3 shallow mounts built in to a custom console that went from front to back now the bad the AudioControl dm-810 started interment shut downs ins inside of 3.5 month by 4.5 it was dead took it back to the installer and AudioControl tells installer it was not bought through one of there dealers more less piss up a rope and next day covid shut down happens and till its over the installer closes shop for good I mean come on AudioControl its the 2020's everything is bought online now the warranty shouldn't matter where its bought from these days if from the USA even after I called my self they never even called me back I boycotted AudioControl at that point its a shame there stuff sounds great but the $800 hit hurt with the way money was then ending up out of work for 4.5 months.. sorry for the rant.. and people buy AudioControl be careful where you buy there there stuff from and make sure its a dealer or they will weasel there way out of there warranty..
Giving the V-Day Special video from a special amp ...Thanks
Needs a output rca cause 2 of those amps would make a good 3 way up front rear fill and 2 subs 😉
Yeah boi!
Holy hell...that ones a beast. Great job audio control.
Bravo excellent good video content love watching all of your UA-cam videos keep up the good work making awesome UA-cam videos
I want to get back into audio nice review keep it up Big D
Do it! Thanks 🙏
AudioControl ftw!
Cool amp!!
I've never owned any Audio Control car audio amps or crossovers.
But I did however purchase one of their Home Theater equalizers and a 1/3 octive spectrum analyzer.
Only the best quality all around
Don't worry guys big d knows what he is doing there's plenty of rise off them 4 subs to get him well over 1ohm, and he's doing music tests on them not tones so he's fine he's well over 2ohms most of the time probably
Great review. Thx Big D
Gotta love W.A.L.....Thx 4 another great vid Big D!😀
Car audio fabrication best you to the punch on this one.
Love me some audio control.
CAF sent him this amp to test. This is the amp in the CAF video. He says it in the beginning of his video and put a link here in the description.
Looks 1ohm stable to me.. very nice versatile looking amp..
Thats awesome 👌. Thanks for the vid!!!
Banging single amp solution! Looks small enough to fit anywhere 😁
Thanks BigD.
Very nice post.Thumbs up 👍👍👍
Nice work man
Good job nice vid Big D!
Maaaaan do you know how much damage we would have done with this amp in the 80-90s??? Blowing alternators on the weekly
When I saw the price I had to do a double take to make sure I wasn't looking at an old school audio catalog haha. I guess we've just been spoiled with amps at bargain prices for so long.
Thanks for 8ohm test! :D
Excellent video as always! I'm really curious why the dynamic is so intense on other well known high end brands ex, my beloved rockford t1500 is bonkers dynamically but this barely did its un-certified on the dynamic test. Im confused and hoping you can shed some light on my curiosity big D? Overall I'd still pick it up very nice aml in a small package. With 1/0 gauge baby. Again thanks for posting. Bet it sounded good n thanks for fighting to get the amp open.
Very nice potentiometers BTW, love seeing high end goodies for our $
I'll try to keep it simple. Its the amount of capacitors in the power supply section for the most part. When an amplifier has a strong power supply with lots of capacitance, the amplifier can send out short bursts of power much higher than the rms rating of the amp. Take a power supply built for a 7.5k and put it on an amp meant to output 5k, and you wind up with a 6k rms amp that does 8k dynamically.
I really like audio control
Hey Big D, are you using a different mic for the "Do it bump doe" portion? Wasn't hearing the bumps and drops as well as I usually do. Nice to see Audio Control still making top tier gear 25 years after I got out of the hobby 👍🤘
You Da man big D. and thanks for keeping it real.
One thing you and mostly everybody is failing to mention is that AudioControl plays really clean at 4 ohms for high frequencies, but if you drop the load to 2 ohms, the clean sound quality is completely gone. At 4 ohms it’s the most rms power you can use, cause at 2 ohms the amp is useless. This is for running components or coaxials. But for bass, you’re good at either 4 ohms or 2 ohms from a bass amp, or in this case from the sub channel.
Great vid once again, but I would’ve loved to see it lit by that factory led strip.
As a guitarist, I want the pick XD
Pls make a tpa3116 chip based 2.1 amplifier review
Looks like it was designed to be wired using wire ferrules. In a standard install using ferrules, I doubt there would be any issues with the terminals.
I need to hear one of these. It is very reminiscent of my ads p650.2.
I've been looking for an Amp so Really appreciate seeing this information, I would be installing in a pickup and wandered If your tests checks for noise filtering, don't want any alternator noise, lol ?
It seems that this is a good choice for a smaller vehicle like a sedan, where mounting options are limited.
I was worried the subwoofer channel's listed output would be on the low side for my system. This should be plenty for my pair of JL 12TW#-D8s.
In your opinion do you think this will play 4 DD 506D2 subwoofers well? Thanks for your feedback...Awesome videos btw!!
Awesome! I need one of those!
Good video. I like audio controls stuff but man those speaker connectors with the tiny screws have always driven me nuts.
Curious what your thoughts are when comparing this amplifier to the T1000X5ad?
Btw... great videos. I’ve recently got back into Car audio and had a few old Rockford Amps refreshed through some of the original engineers after finding your channel. Thxs for bringing back fond memories.
This is the exact comparison I was wondering about. I'm been trying to decide between these 2 amps. Keep going back and forth between the 2. Did you ever choose one over the other?
@@caraudiocentral I was hoping to get some feedback on this channel but no response as you can see.
I’m still debating between the two. I’ve never used AC amplifiers before but still have some of their preamp
Stuff from 20 years ago that still sound awesome.
Did you decide yet? If so, would you let me know which way you went and why..? Thanks.
@@kevineth100 I haven't decided 100% yet, but leaning more toward the Audio Control. I think mostly just because I want to try something new. But still wish someone would do a comparison between these 2 amps. Would like to see which one performs better.
That is an impressive piece of equipment
You only need to loosen the 2 screws at the front, then slide the panel up slightly and remove. The top 2 screws don't screw into the body. They act like a lock pin.
I had to check the manual, but the crossovers are only 2nd order. Too much mid bass bleed on from the subs for me... surely it couldn't have cost that much more to make (at least) the sub channel x-over 4th order.
If your head unit has a subwoofer output that's 12dB/octave, and you use this amps crossover as well, you can achieve a 24dB/octave slope.
If that thing can handle a one ohm certified test it can certainly handle one ohm on subs. Looks like a great 5 channel. I got a 900/5 I’ll trade you. 😂
If i had enough money to buy the amp.
Unlucky i am poor...
But i am happy 🥰🥰🥰.
Good luck.
I have a PG the one amp id love to see tested. however naturally id want it back.
Where are amplification mosfet inside ??? 5 channel amp has at least 10 mosfet or(12 in subwoofer bridge mode). Is it made by class d IC such as TPA or TAS?? please reply. Thank you.
When are you going to get back to your Oooooollld school audio amplifiers? I want to see the O.G. schitt.
Old school is nice.
I have had many back in the day but.
They are bigger,
Get hotter and need more amperage to do the same job as the smaller cooler new amps.
I do understand why you want to see them tested. Today's amps are more efficient by far.
Try and leave the past behind.
Can't go back even though I want to also.
Have a blessed life.
🙈🙊🙉
@@Mr.Robert1 ah, yes. The old “carburetor vs fuel injection” argument.
Man this thing would slam some regular punches or comps or Wos
Great all in one amp but that price, Yikes! I can get a couple of amps to do what this one does for less. It would be nice to have but it's out of my price range $1099
It $799
I have this volfenhag 2000w german concept amp it has these tubes on both sides with air bubbles so it looks like a tube with water and when the amp is turned on the lights light up blue pretty cool amp but I would really like to know what it does. It's from the 2000's and it's heavy-duty it weighs about 15pounds.its L-15" 3/4 W- 13" H-1"1/4 the tube lights run the length of the amp. This guy I knew he gave it to me like 8yrs ago.
next 5 channel i get is def one of these amps!
Audio control is a great product
Big D Whiz breaking the rules lol Your secret is safe with me big guy 👍🏽 Beautiful amp that gives you that extra kick by %20 Excellent review like always And as the saying goes you get what you pay for and in this case it's allot .🤑
Yuscon Caps!? C'Mon Audiocontrol... at this price point??? SAD
Probably made in China or Korea!
Yeah AudioControl has been making some questionable decisons lately.
At this price point they should have all Japenses solid capacitors
yeah you know its a paid review when big d dont mention the caps. when he does on other amps.
@@ernestobarajas8974 didn't even notice...I'm slacking. I will do better!
How can you tell? Or do you know by color? I couldn’t read the cap brand. Are they that awful? I just purchased the d5-1300 for a great price. I hope I don’t regret it.
So, speaking of 5 channel amps, I'd love to see what the Skar 5 channel SK-M9005D amp can do. I bought it to control my mids, highs, and my sub as well, but my touchscreen stereo doesn't have a line amp output coupled with the speaker outputs, and the amp will not run normal line out speaker along with the RCA outputs, so it won't control my mids, highs, along with my single 8" sub in my Acura TL unless I run it all through line out speaker controls, or line out RCAs.
Great amp, just would be more appealing with a factory rated sub channel at 1 ohm.
I personally miss my old Audison LRX 5.1k. I wish I never sold it, as there is NOTHING in the market that can even come close to it these days. 60w x 2 Class A, 170w x 2 Class A/B, 750w x 1 Class D (all at 4ohms, sub (1050w) and A/B stereo channels (250w x 2) 2ohm stable, Class A channels 4ohms only ). I wish more manufacturers would build an 'unbalanced' 4 channel setup in their 5 channel designs. I don't want a 5 channel to run a 70's quadraphonic housewife minivan surround sound special with + sub !..... I want my 5 channel to power a 2-way active front stage and BIG sub power. Rear fill is just THAT....FILL. That's what deck power is for. Next time someone says 'Best 5 channel ever' and they aren't referring to an old Audison LRx5.1k that was made in Italy....they have ZERO clue.
Dammit boy! That's some power on that amp!!
Hell ya love this stuff! think im gunna have to copy your style and start buying and testing new budget subs instead of amps lol
If you really plan on doing this get a Shure Beta 52a mic or similar so you don't have a distorted recording.
@@dannyvanderheide6098 lol i rather see BIg D start doing it!!!
@@Nickword1 check out Parker Dacchille, he does exactly that starting with Kicker from Comp to Q to L7
Williston Audio, when will you get the amp dyno on the McIntosh amp, or it's not finished getting fixed?
I need to check on that. Tech still has the amp 🤷♂️
Great video! I'm having this amp installed soon. Will this amp run ok with 4 ga ofc power wire?