@ they saints are not part of the family? You need to read your Bible bro. Your comment is heresy “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,” Hebrews 12:1-2, 22-23 ESV
@@RGTomoenage11 Nobody’s in heaven yet Jesus has not came back and judged. The dead are the grave until Jesus comes back raises them from the dead and they meet in the sky in the clouds with Jesus Christ .
@ Hebrews 12 says their spirits are in heaven. Should I believe you or the Bible? Also revelation 5:8 Also Moses and Elijah on the gospel of Mathew appearing to the Lord and seen by Peter and 3 more. Please read your Bible
@ yes, the Bible does not call Jesus the Great Physician… did you not know this? Jesus performed miracles- not cure people as a physician would do. Now, there’s a reason the miracles in the Bible.
@samgdpeG there are multiple accounts of Saints such as St. Nektarios of Aegina performing miraculous healings and surgeries long after his repose. Even moments after he died, the sweater he was wearing healed a paralytic after it was laid on the man's hospital bed. The Saints are alive and are filled with the Grace to aid those in need. I don't get the Protestant hatred for the friends of Christ who do His will even in bodily death.
@ frankly this is just not true. Because one says things that need to be said, does this means I hate dead people of the past? By no means. I was raised Roman Catholic. I understand the gross idolatry of Roman Catholicism because I lived in such culture. My parents would take me as a child to pilgrimages to holy sites where people would crawl on their bloodied knees to places that hold statues of Mary, whereas vendors sell their trinkets to the poor so that the “blessed Virgin” would perform her miracles- etc. My dad was a devout and died a horrible death. Now, l’m not saying that Mary had anything to do with all that- because if anything, she does not have this kind of power. Nor the saints. So there’s that. Is this hatred? Well, I don’t think you understand the meaning of the word “hate.” I tell you this, I have never hated anyone, but I know what this word means. How can you understand the complexities of proper theology if you can’t understand the meaning of hatred?
When I think of stories of saint I think of it like if I wanna be a pro athlete I learn from the other successful athletes. Just learning how to be a true servant and give myself to him and let his will be done through me.
New age Christianity is more of an individual and personal relationship. I used to believe this way, but as I matured, I began understanding the true importance of the Church and why it is critical to the Christian faith. If Christianity had to rely on new age protestant Christians to carry out the word of God, the Church and Christianity would deteriorate within 150 years.
I escaped a cult and thought I would never look back at religion. My therapist has recommended I read stories of the saints. I can confirm this comment. The life of saints are examples of them following Christ to the full extent of their life, therefore confirming with their own life, the existence of Christ. Reading their stories (St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Lawrence of Rome). Reading their stories has helped re kindle my dying faith, as I have strayed so far that I NEED physical evidence.. and the saints are physical evidence of Christ. I am not Catholic yet.
@@charfutpov2533 I’ll pray for you tonight when I pray my rosary if that’s okay? For healing for any psychological trauma you and anyone had had throughout their life. And for the conversions of those seeking the truth that has been revealed by Jesus and his Shepherds he appointed through the Church he established.
Mikhaila you are super cool for having this conversation, ty for your open mind and heart. May you experience many blessings and joy, even in the hard times and may you rise like never before through them.
I have worked in the alcoholic/addiction community, when people are going through a really rough batch they hesitate to pray to Jesus. They do not feel worthy due to low self worth and damaged pyches caused by addictions. However I have had success in getting them to pray to a saint to pray for them directly to Jesus. It works like a stepping stone. The mentality of "I cant be like Jesus Christ he is perfect, but this Saint was horrible and repented, turned his life around, surely I can do the same "
Or rather they know that false prying to Jesus might be a sin, and they are afraid of doing it??. Is it possible that they know they are not honest and they just pretend in order to continue to be helped by religious people like you?? In all instances when I saw people praying to saints, they thought that is better to be fake with some dude like them instead of real God. They knew that real God can see their hearts. You are way too naive in understanding people's motives.
My country, the Philippines, has 2 canonized Saints. I have a unique connection with these 2 saints because - we share the same language, - the same culture, and - I feel that they understand the same struggles that I have as one Filipino to another. Since saints Lorenzo & Pedro are my elders, I can also ask them how to serve and love Christ better. .......It's comforting to know that there are 2 proven saints who are walking before me, as we pursue Jesus Christ, Our Lord.
@@jonnydoe85 Well the Bible for bids that and yes I deny Mary and the Saints and they’re dead they’re not in heaven right now they don’t hear your prayers and they have no power only Jesus Christ has the power to heal and forgive🙌
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Regarding: “there is one mediator” 1) We are explicitly told to “make intercession” for one another - so this fact alone should make us pause on how we understand “one mediator” 2) But an often overlooked point is that the word for “mediator” in the one verse is not the same word as “intercessor” in the other. They have overlap but there is a significant difference. A *mediator* is, as the name suggests, between the two parties - that is to say, the mediator **represents BOTH parties** - and as fully God and fully man - Christ is the only one who is the mediator. An **intercessor** represents or beseeches for one party before another. As such, the Holy Spirit can intercede for us (as it is written) and Christ can intercede for us (as it is also written) but so can saints (as we are in fact commanded to pray for one another).
Yes. We are taught to intercede for others. And to pray to God. Not to seek intercession from the dead, especially in the form of prayers, as the state of the dead and their ability is not made clear in scripture. Since it isn't clear, we ought not form a doctrine or practice around it, especially something that has as much potential danger if we're wrong as this (making requests to potentially misidentified spirits)...
@@stephenkeen6044Really??? Then why are the Saints offering up our prayers to God in heaven as we read in the book of Revelation? Those who lived as Saints on earth never die. They are alive with Christ in heaven. God is not the God of the dead but of the living. For anyone interested… Catholic Bible Highlights on UA-cam with Kenny Burchard does a wonderful biblical walk through the scriptures on why we pray to Mary and the Saints. Also, meditation has to do with covenant making and not simply praying or asking. Interestingly, the original scriptures did not have punctuation and if the verse is read straight through we read… there is only one mediator Christ Jesus who died for our sins. So true as God used Abraham, Noah etc. all as mediators and none of them died for us. Just saying.
@@Peace2U-LM _"why are the Saints offering up our prayers to God in heaven as we read in the book of Revelation"_ They aren't.. At least I don't read any passage in Revelation which says that, please show it to me. Besides, the language / literary style of Revelation is not literal, but more allegorical / imagery. But please do quote where it says that for me and we can go from there. All who are born again are "saints", this is a title that is used numerous times in the new testament for all believers.
@@stephenkeen6044 Rev 5:8,11, Rev 6:9-11, Rev 8:3-4, Rev 11:16-19 are verses about Saints, and angels interacting with God, offering up the prayers of the Saints, petitioning. The Tranfiguration is also an example of "dead" Saints talking to Christ.
Don't worry. All our doubts and questions will be answered when we reach heaven. I won't be much surprised for believing what I believe. Stay blessed. Shalom.
Asking why we need saints is like asking why we need family and friends if only our spouse is officially married to us. The kingdom of God is a kingdom of believers, we will be with them for eternity. So ask them to help you get to your destination (heaven), they’re already there. ❤
The Saints are all our Christian history. They are beloved people who existed in time and provide extra inspiration for the trials and tribulations of life. We honor them just as we would honor any beloved family member. They are never prayed "to", they pray for us.
A saint or priest who has dedicated their life to God has the ability to offer a very powerful prayer. A novice, although effective, might not have the same vision for the church. Therefore, it is wise counsel to have your elders pray over your church.
A saint is someone who is free from lower nature (fear, anger, lust, greed, envy etc.), free of "I", "me". 99.99% of the so called born again believers in Jesus are not free.
Jesus very clearly says that God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. The people who die confirmed in grace are more alive right now than you and I are, because they have eternal life in Heaven.
I see saints as brave soldiers of Christ. They are admired for their faith and actions, but only God is to be worshipped. I'm Catholic and have been reading a tonne over the past few years to better know my faith and grow in my love for Jesus.
You kept the questions real, MP. I follow Mr. Pageau too and I was raised a Catholic . I still struggle to understand/appreciate prayers to saints. I wish you asked Mr. Pageau why we need to bow to the images of saints. Is that not counter biblical? By the way, your costume is cool! You looked like a rebellious adolescent when you held that bottle 😂
You don’t have to bow to saints. It’s a choice to show a sign of respect if you choose to do so. It’s not dogma or doctrine. If anyone tells you that you have to bow to icons, they were poorly formed and are misinforming you.
Absolutely biblical Joshua 7:6 theirs obviously more examples in the Bible of veneration of icons but this is just a quick example, idolatry in the Bible is one who puts anything either on the same level or above God, literally anything can be idol if ur not careful how u treat it. Hopefully that helps God bless 🙏🏾
In the Bible people bowed to the kings and other holy and important figures the word worshiped is even use this Is simply a western dejection to bowing in my opinion
Just like everything else in our world can be: The Saints are an icon (a conduit) to God. The problem arises when you idolize them, putting them over God. But if you pray for intercession (again, a conduit) then prayers to saints make perfect metaphysical sense.
@Jesus1145 to pray = to petition. Prayer is not worship in and of itself. It merely means to petition for intercession, to ask for aid. Jonathan doesn't do a great job here of explaining intercession of the Saints, but it is a tradition that predates Christianity and was inherited when the Apostles established the deposit of faith and traditions.
Intercession? Abraham interceded for wicked Sodom, God told Job to intercede for his friends, Daniel and Nehemiah prayed for the "remnant" Jews in Jerusalem. The Psalms are all about interceding and praying Psalms to God for ourselves and loved ones. Hebrews"there is one Mediator", Jesus, by Whom we have direct access. Paul in the New Covenant urges prayer in every epistle. The problem arises when saints become objects of worship. 1 ,2 commandments" Thou shall have no other gods or any graven images" That said, excited for your spiritual growth Mikhaila(dads too!)
@@Godlvr008 worship requires sacrifice, no sacrifice is given to saints. Ergo, not worship. Prayer is request, which you can pray to or pray for anyone that is in communion with Christ. Also learn the context of the commandments and Leviticus to truly grasp what God has put forth. An image of a saint is not what God was chiding about icons. Golden calves being worshipped to were.
We have the golden calf in exodus 32 as an example of idolatry. 5 chapters late we see a command to build the ark of the covenant, a venerable an object with images of cherubim. This was not idolatry but verneration. Just like icons
@@coolerthanthy The ark was made for the temple services, true: but not seen by everyone. It was placed in the innermost room of the temple, since it was where God's divine glory shone: not to be seen by sinful men, lest they die, but only by the high priest, one day of the year, and not without blood of sacrifice.
@@Colin-to1nv relics from the apostles like handkerchiefs were seen by everyone and healed people. If you had a fragment of The Cross, you wanna tell me you wouldn’t even clutch it tight??? Would you be worshipping the wood? Have you ever admired a loved ones photo and almost kissed them through the picture? Are you kissing the glass and frame of the picture? No, your contact point is with your loved one. This is the same with veneration.
In the Catholic view, God works primarily through secondary causes. God loves when you recognize his work through the saints, similarly when honoring an artist's piece. Our relationship with God and his creation is not a zero-sum game. "God did not create and redeem the world in order to get more glory, but rather to give it. There is no tug-of-war between the Creator and His creatures." - Scott Hahn
Praying to Mary or biblical saints however is worshipping of said person and no longer biblical. Naming churches after saints is a very unstable foundation, such as *St Kateri, St Francis, or St Nicholas*. God sees all that believe in him and follow Jesus as saints.
@DraQinn "To pray" is to request or thank, not worship. When we pray to the saints, technically, we're asking for them to pray for us to God. It would be like asking our friends to pray for us.
@@sanjivjhangiani3243 There is no need to pray to a saint. Saints are dead. We have the wonderful blessing to pray directly to God the Father through Jesus. Catholicism isn't Biblical.
He worshipped God and never claimed to be God. Do not cross the first commandment which is the greatest commandment of the God! This is a huge huge blasphemy
@@koroglurustem1722 Jesus not only said he was God, but he was predicted to come as God hundreds of years before arriving. Why do you claim to know the Bible if you haven't studied it? IF the reality that Jesus IS who He said He was could be proven to you, would you become a follower of Christ?
6:00 Yes, Christ is our only MEDIATOR between us and the Father....IN SALVATION! No one else mediated our salvation but HIM!! But that doesn't mean others can not pray for us or INTERCEDE for us. Actually four verse before the one about Christ's mediation, Paul says this: "I exhort therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks (eucharistos) be made for all men...For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior" (1 Tim. 2)
Interesting question. The answer is this. You can't have the head without the body. Christ is the head and the Church is his body. The Church includes the saints that have gone before us.
The body also includes the believers currently living on earth. Look would you rather have the coversation with Jesus Christ when going to heaven being like "yeah it would have been totally chill had you done that my child" or "you absolutely should never have done such thing"
May your seeking of Truth, and willingness to sacrifice all for the sake of your salvation and the salvation of others, end in the rejoicing of Christ in the fullness of truth, which is found fully in the Orthodox Church. May God bless you and your family.
To reason to do this. The Bible does not support the idea that those who have died in Christ are responsive to prayers from the living. Scripture emphasizes that prayer should be directed to God, as He alone is sovereign, omniscient, and able to hear and answer our prayers. In Isaiah 8:19, believers are cautioned against seeking the dead, highlighting that we should inquire of God rather than look to those who have passed on. The biblical pattern of prayer consistently directs us to rely on God alone for help, guidance, and intercession.
"And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." - Revelation 5:8
Luke 20:36-38. "Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."37 But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38 For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”
The saints doesn’t have the ability to listen to every prayer of every human on earth, only God is Omnipresent. That’s Why I only Pray to God In The Name Of Jesus like the scripture teaches us to do.
The are things that Protestants need to understand first before asking about the saints. A key point is the difference in heaven and the death in Catholic and Protestants. Although many Protestants have many differences, most have the view that a dead person goes to heaven or hell and are then totally disconnected from the living entirely. Some say they don't even recognize us anymore even when we go to heaven. And in heaven they just praise God and nothing else. In Catholicism everyone is alive in heaven and can do much more and are participants in the entire plan of God for his people, kingdom, and family. God allows them to still "work". Because they are higher spiritual beings (when they were on earth and even more in heaven), they have gotten favor with God. They lived the life God wanted us to live, and had exceptional spiritually.
I agree that the difference in understanding of the status of the dead is valuable to keep in mind in the discussion, but perhaps the origin and source of the differences is even more important. _"are then totally disconnected from the living entirely"_ That's probably because every example we have in scripture follows this pattern. It's a perfectly valid interpretation of scripture that the dead are only aware of their presence with God (or not aware of anything) between death and resurrection. And since that's a valid interpretation, creating doctrine and taking actions based on another possible interpretation is not only dangerous, but potentially misleading. Better to err on the side of caution than to open yourself to introducing elements to your practice of faith that include communication with possibly misidentified spiritual entities. If it were useful, valid or meaningful for us to communicate with the dead, it would be more clearly and easily understood from the text of scripture. Instead, every case of such behaviour is either directly warned against or described as futile (parable of the rich man and Lazarus). What "work" is it that they can "do" in your view? "First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time." - 1 Timothy 2:1-6 The living intercede for the living and Christ is the only mediator between us and the Father.
I like your idea...but why in the old testament the arcangel Raphael was presenting the prayers of Tobias and Sarah to God? This is intercession from an angel...why saints couldn't do it as well ?
Also we can became saints. At least we could be a better person on the way of holiness Saints are role model for me, I can learn a lot from. One priest last week in La Salette told us the secret why avarege people became saints: " because they always saw opportunity instead of problems, even in the greatest, hard challenges . ❤ I am happy for Mikhaela and her family getting closer to our creator, God.
The only role model that you should have as a Christian is Jesus Christ. He taught us everything we need to follow and live by. He is the only way to Heaven. The one and only Lord and Creator, noone else!
@@NikolaosCharitidis you don’t even live by this standard. You read the prophets and lives the apostles and you are inspired by them and their actions too. Learning from the saints actually teaches you how to follow Christ better.
@@zachlehkyi9951 Firstly, you don't know me to claim that I don't live by this standard. Secondly, Jesus is the center of Christianity. I don't understand how you came up with the idea that you learn from the saints how to live life by the Christian standards , when clearly Jesus says he is the only way. I really am trying to understand why are you trying to contradict my saying. They were all sinners, Jesus was and is perfect and most importantly, he rose from the dead and is alive, shouldn't we try and be like Jesus?
@ yes we should try to be like Jesus but we should also try to be like Moses, David, Daniel, Ezekiel, Paul, Mark, etc. by your logic, let’s toss out every book and example on the Bible except for the gospels
@@zachlehkyi9951 Could you explain to me a reason to be like the people you mentioned? And I don't understand how did you come to this conclusion about "my" logic. I am simply saying that there is only one person we all should try and live by His standards, and that is Jesus Christ. That is what the bible is teaching us, it doesnt say follow Ezekiel or David or Daniel.
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Saints inspire us and we learn from their examples. We learn from contemporary saints when we submit to one another because saints are living. "Those He called He also sanctifies (makes into a saint), those He sanctifies He also glorifies." Looking to those who passed on to intercede for us takes them away from their ministry of prayer which is described this way: They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before You will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” The saints with Christ look forward to their vindication. The saints on earth pray with and for one another.
The question of the story of Saints is better answered in Church history. In the early church, in Rome, when Christianity was still outlawed and illegal, Christians weren't allowed to publicly acknowledge or celebrate the death of those who had died for their faith. They died in secret, and early followers could not mourn that loss. Once the church became legalised as the State religion of Rome, it became acceptable to celebrate the lives of loved ones who had died for the faith, which wasn't possible before. You will find the celebration of the Saints and Martyrs on the 1st of November, which is the Feast Day to celebrate all Saints and Martyrs, known or unknown. The increasing deification of the Saints, I am less sure. Still, it's interesting to know their story and, as a protestant myself, to see other Christians perhaps wishing to do away with the tradition. Perhaps Catholics over-ritualised the Saints, taking them away from their historic roots.
No no. In the early days when the Church was heavily persecuted, Mass was offered in secret over the tombs of the maryters. Their tombstones served as some of the earliest altars. An ancient tradition which is still held in the Catholic church today where every consecrated altar contains an altar stone which houses the relics of a maryter or a few maryters. Anytime you see something in Catholicism and think 'hum that's sort of weird' it typically he case that if you do some research its comes from something ancient. In some cases it even dates further with roots in the OT or first century Judaism.
You are right Michaela! Saints in heaven are not interfering on our behalf. Saints on earth are though. If you are born again and saved, you are called a saint, not a sinner anymore! Saints in heaven are waiting till the day we all get new bodies, and will go with Jesus to heaven. There we will worship our Lord, and later come back with Him to this earth to reign with Him for a thousand years. But you will learn that. 😉 You go girl! Jesus has you! Stay in Him! 😇
But John sees worship in heaven, and there are elders in priest's vestments offering our prayers as incense before the Throne of God. Your idea of what this means was not present until the mid 19th century with John Nelson Darby. Meanwhile we have many records of Christians collecting the bones of martyrs to venerate and heal the sick with since the 1st century. Christians and the Jews before them always venerated the Saints, whether it be Moses or Paul or St. Panteleimon. It wasn't even an issue for 16 centuries.
See also Rachel crying for her children. The tomb of Rachel has been a pilgrimage site for Jews for millennia. See also Jesus' story about the rich man and Lazarus, with the rich man asking Abraham to intercede for him. See also the archangel Raphael in Tobit who brings the prayers of the righteous before God.
@huntz0r Job 33:23-25 If there is a messenger for him, An intercessor, one among a thousand, to show man His uprightness, then He is gracious to him, and says, ‘Deliver him from going down to the Pit; I have found a ransom’; His flesh shall be young like a child’s, He shall return to the days of his youth.
When we ask people to pray for us, we are looking them in the eye, they can hear us with their ears, they can put their arm around you or hold your hand. That's a major difference than in asking someone who is no longer on earth to pray for you. I'm not sure Jonathan answered the question.
In Revelation 5 (I believe) we see elders in Heaven offering the prayers of the living as incense to God. But as Orthodox we don't see everything restricted to the Biblical text. We also rely on Holy Traditions such as the Divine Liturgy and the writings of the Church Fathers and Ecumenical Councils. These three pillars, Scripture, Tradition, Patristics, compliment and uphold each other holistically.
When living people pray for you, they can bind evil strongholds that are vexing you. We can pray for a hedge of protection around you etc. I would never pray for a dead saint to help. We have the Holy Spirit and fellowship with other believers. It’s simple.
@@4-Avenue Good point, raging heat. Matthew 22:32 reference -- one could argue that it only means "alive after resurrection" (since that is the topic of the chapter). But following Jesus' words, it does logically make more sense if Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are bodily dead, but alive in a spiritual way. And the resurrection would complete their "alive-ness" again.
@@daregularperson i think that's the issue Protestants argue. We know that their earthly life has ended, however, we know them to be alive spiritually in communion with God. Christ has said the body is weak but the spirit is willing, which implies that life is a matter of the soul. It does not in any way contradict the Truth nor the Glory of God.
A common misunderstanding is that saints are those who are of outstanding spiritual status. However, scripture identifies as saint anyone who professes Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Also, scripture calls us into a personal intimate (close) relationship with God, who is Jesus which involves personal prayer as a vital part of that relationship. And saints who are interceding for one another in prayer is a supplemental corporate way of supporting and showing love to one another.
Mikhaila you probably won’t read this, but you are exactly right. We should only pray to our Saviour. The long tradition of praying to saints was started because people lacked faith. Sure, it’s awesome that these amazing people saved by God are already up there. But our faith depends on relying on the resurrection power of Jesus and in many ways we rise daily through our faith as little pictures of the eventual bodily resurrection. I’m praying for you and your family that you will be blessed and protected. With love from your brother Sean!
So you want to intercede for Mikhaila but tell her that she should only pray to her savior? Why should her and her family need or want your prayers if the only correct way to pray to to pray to God directly.
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father but by Him. We don’t need to go through saints to talk to God. We just need Jesus. He is our all in all. The beginning and the end.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
You guys love quoting that yet fail to give the context literally verses before it. But also forgets James exists and then also fail to give context there.
@@pinoygal6232 Literally the people who just proclaim to believe in His name, who can’t even agree on baptism & Eucharist, who pretend to be & know Christianity will be told depart from Him. If the Bible is true, then Protestantism & deform “Christianity” is false by default. If the Bible is true, then why did Sola Scriptura lead to hundreds of “biblical” cults/sects, often contradictory both in worship & theology, instead of uniting in behind that truth? And of course each protie sect/cult has to believe they got the word of God right (orthos)
@@mumak333 We Christians believe in being Baptized, we don't believe it is a salvation issue though. We also take the Eucharist, we just don't believe in a literal transfiguration, nor that it is an act of salvation.Sacraments don't save you, Jesus does. The Church is a group of Born Again Believers that has nothing to do with a particular denomination, but what each person believes as an individual. I'm saying the Bible IS True and that's why the RCC is anathema. Also true, there are Born Again Believers even in cults.
@ Protestant deformed “Christians“ are often contradictory & incompatible “biblical” cults/sects that can’t agree on worship & theology, baptism just being an example
A question to those of you who pray to Saints. What do you think you can receive from a Saint that you’re not receiving from Christ/God in the person of the Holy Spirit? The Saint is not doing the work but it’s the power of the HolySpirit/Christ within the Saint doing the work.
What I struggle with Pageu’s interpretation of the saints being able to mediate and intercede on your behalf, is that it makes us the judge of whether that person is in heaven or not, and the only judge is God the father.
I believe that the Catholic church, when they determine that someone is a 'saint', have assured themselves through the canonization process, that the person is in heaven. being a saint = being in heaven. I would conclude from the discussion that anyone who is in heaven can intercede for us. But your point is how can we know that.
They didn’t name them saints just because they thought it was cute though, the church follows a process to confirm they are saints. But more than that it’s simply faith, because if you think about it, we don’t really know who wrote the bible, we just take it by faith as the word of God and we know it’s true, even though we can’t “prove” it.
We believe that God reveals to us on earth his judgement of particular people based on their relationship with him. That is, they undergo theosis: the transformation into God's own image, such that they exhibit divine qualities by virtue of their participation in the life of God. God shares his very self with them because of their humility and submission to God. Their character and actions are, in effect, miraculous, and we can know that they are Holy.
Yeah you don't only the church can and even the church can't say who goes to hell but we can affirm that some very exceptional people are in heaven.Very simple example will be the apostles,moses,Paul,Mary,Joseph etc! If you believe the church has the ability to bind and loose then the church can define saints!
Because it’s not biblical and it’s blasphemy you only need to pray to Jesus Christ that’s it. Also the saints aren’t even heaven they’re dead and they know nothing new under the sun they’re waiting to be called up by Jesus Christ into the clouds From their sleep a.k.a. death also Jesus Christ is never came back so nobody is in heaven right now other than Moses and Enoch and the Angels
Mikhaila's point stands. Jesus says ask him in his name or pray to the Father in his name. He doesn't say pray to others. This is the primary way of praying (it seems to me).
@@darrellperez1029 He doesn't say anything about it in the 4 Gospels. WHen asked about Prayer he talks about praying to him and to the Father, and about forgiveness, praying in secret, etc. (See Matthew 5, Luke 11, John 14-16)
@Duane422 He never says confession in secret. See James 5:16. The bible tells us that no one in Christ dies and Hebrews claims thay the Saints are closer to God. The gospels mention intercession (spoken by Christ Himself). Further Revelations clarifies that Saints present our prayers to God. Lastly, what does the word "pray" mean?
@@darrellperez1029 Right. I meant when he says "go into your room and pray to your father in secret, and your father who sees you in secret will reward" (Matthew 6). James 5 says indeed "confess your sins to one another." I am not following how this connects? Christ intercedes yes, that is Mikhaila's point ("there is one mediator between God and man"). I was saying Jesus in the Gospels does not talk about intercession of anyone other than himself.
@Duane422 Actually thats not true. In James 5:16, Christ says "intercede for one another." Moreso, the bible also records that Jesus cured people because of the faith of their friends. And the ine mediator would be good to know how Timothy begins 1 Timothy 2 reads: exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that.
Thanks for openly sharing this question. I think the answer to it depends on how you see Scripture or revelation itself. For me, the Bible is the only standard and authority I can go with in this day and age. So I follow the examples I see in the New Testament of Jesus and the apostles praying to the Father, praying for each other, while they were alive; and taking Jesus as that one and only Royal Priest and ruling King, intermediator, and intercessor. I’ll leave you with the words of Jesus found in John 16:24: “Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.”
6:41 I had to do a double-take, I thought Mikaila was straight up drinking Vodka or something during this clip 😂 Must be sparkling water or something. Great clip, though. I've had the same questions myself, about saints.
Pray means to ask. They asked the Saints to pray for you, for themselves, for their families..etc. Now, some poorly catechized mexican peasants may not understand their own theology, sure. But that doesn't mean that is what the church teaches. Blaming Catholocism for the errors of struggling poor people in extremely difficult to live in countries is a really underhanded technique.
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The flaw in his argument about asking other people to pray for us is that he is equating the living with the dead. We are given strict instructions in the Bible to never attempt communication with the dead. There are no exceptions for those human beings granted sainthood to.
That's referring to necromancy, which is not what asking for a Saint's prayers on one's behalf is at all. Even Jesus appeared on Mt. Tabor with Moses and Elijah long after they were dead and gone. They are alive, aware, and active in Christ's Kingdom.
@georgerafa5041 even in the lives of Saints there are accounts of God transplanting those in torment into Paradise due to the fervent and sincere prayers for their soul from holy men and women. Emperor Trajan is said to be in Paradise after St.Pope St. Gregory the Great (6th century) prayed ceaselessly for his soul for 30 years, after which a vision of Christ came to him and informed him that Trajan was in torment no longer.
Every Serbian family have a saint protector, which we inherit and pass to our children and which feast day we celebrate once or twice a year. We believe that they intercede for us, through stormy and sunny days of our life, helping us to manage with whatever difficulty we may encounter. Even today, some people celebrate Saint Cosmas and Damian. Problem is, and I'm still talking about Serbians, when Saint George becomes a Dragonslayer, or Saint Nicholas Santa Clause, who we need once a year or in a certain moment for basic children's entertainment. It's started 100 years ago, with liberal and communistic ideas of our ancestors, when they overturned Christian values, finding them out of date because of there pride, not paying enough respect to Saints anymore, as God's servants that want to share there Divine energies and love with us... Conclusion: Saints are still pretty much open for us - if we want to participate and pray to God through them, nobody can take that from us... Thank you for your time and sorry for the long comment!
Something that intercedes INSTEAD of Christ, Is a demon. You pray to demons AND also.your family, believing you pray to God 😢 Having Christ AND you guys decide to pray yo other spirits!
@javierherrera8782 You're a little confused... It's a long church tradition and it works... For example, if you go to St. Michael church, who is an Angel, you can pray to him in front of his icon so that he protect you from the demons etc., practically from bad thoughts, and there isn't any INSTEAD way of talking and praying to Him, while putting GOD on a side, let's say a bench... 21st Nov is St. Michael feast day by the old calendar! Church is a place where we gather to pray, to sing, to worship God, Holy Mother of God, Angels and Saints, but on 21st Nov we will have a special ceremony dedicated to Him, who fought against Satan and saved many Angels from falling into the darkness. That's all! P.S. It is not recommended to work any hard labor on that day - same thing for Sunday - it's a special day and Holiday!
We have Saints Because Of Jesus The Saints devoted Their Entire lives in service of Christ and His Church! They're are Our warriors and brothers and sisters! They champion the cause of Christ and the Apostles!
YES... We need saints to show us that holiness is reachable by mortals who trust Jesus and follow His example. And more than that, it gives us a possible goal of becoming a saint (as we are all intended.}
@jerrywarren7753 That's the point. He was a sinner, but went on to become a saint. It was also St. Peter who ran to the tomb with St. John as soon as he heard what the women had seen there. He could of despaired like Judas, taken his own life or fled, but he did not. He ran to Christ. And Jesus later instructed Him to feed His sheep and he did even until his brutal martyrdom. He's a great example of no matter what you do wrong, run to Christ.
@@jerrywarren7753 aite i hope when you're really sick, you won't let anyone pray for you, cos you'd be a hypocrite. And we all know what Jesus said about hypocrites, right?
Quite simply, it is helpful to "identify" with heroic figures in order to build your fortitude and character. As awkward this is to accept, it can be hard to "identity" with a 1st century lower-class carpenter. Through saints like Thérèse of Lisieux, or Francis of Assisi, or Elizabeth Ann Seton, or Thomas More, we have OTHER models to inspire us and still UNITE by, in and through Our Lord, Jesus Christ.
It may be helpful to consider that the mediation of Chirst is unique insofar as he is the only bridge between human and divine nature, that doesnt make him the only intercessor but rather the only bridge or connection point that allows for all other intercession to be possible.
@@theodore-gottlieb they are too busy enjoying the concert and bright lights when they go to worship, that they forget what the church fathers said in the early church.
That statement is foolish. Physically speaking to someone and asking for prayer with your mouth (or a proxy such as a keyboard or pen and paper) is not equivalent to praying to a person to ask them for prayer. These are two completely different forms of prayer. Don’t believe me? Go into your bedroom alone, close your eyes, fold your hands and pray to your living bishop or priest and ask him to pray to God on your behalf and ask God for something specific that the bishop or priest would not know about ahead of time… then go and ask the bishop or priest if he heard your prayer, and if so, ask him what it was and when he heard it. See what he says. This is where your false equivalency falls apart. We are indeed saints in Christ, but we are not omniscient nor are we omnipresent - only God can claim such attributes. I say this in love so that you might come to rely on Jesus completely, knowing that He is the sole mediator, and that as a child of God you can approach the Father with confidence being completely persuaded that His love for you is unfailing, and that Jesus is always there to intercede for you. I will pray for you, and all who have been led astray by such lies.
@@ElectricBluJay Pray is old english for "to ask", when someone says to you, "can you pass me the TV remote", they just prayed to you. This usage of the word is kept in the KJV Bible in the Old Testament. Bethsheba 'prays' to Soloman as an intercession of Adonijah. 1 kings 2:17 "And he [Adonijah] said, Speak, *I pray thee,* unto Solomon the king, for he will not say thee nay, that he give me Abishag the Shunammite to wife." So in 1kings 2:17 Adonijah prays to Bethsheba, Soloman's Queen Mother, to interceeed to Solomon the King.
There is another good reason to declare saints. Jesus is a perfect example of who to be, but we still admire many people around us when we see how close they are to him, we start thinking "I wish I was at least as reverant of God as him, I'm lacking". Other people can be an example to us, and there are many personalities. Some intellectual people look up to saint Augustine or saint Thomas Aquinas, women look up to Mary, other more passionate people would look up to saint Peter. God is one, but we are many, and while there is one love, there are many ways to show that love, that's what all the different saints represent, to be good examples for us.
Actually, the Saints are extremely biblical the gospel start with the gospel of the different Saints, they have very powerful interception, and it is God‘s will for us to work directly with those that have already paid the price as Christ, people don’t understand this at all, but the intercession of the Saints it’s one of God‘s greatest blessings to us, and rememberthe traditions and the teachings of the Catholic Church. It was the only thing there was that brought you the Bible to begin with so they might know a little bit about it
I think Jesus asked us to pray for each other because we're sometimes blind to what is harming us and what we need to help us, that's why we have priests who can pray for us
As a pastor, I love reading about the “Saints”. They are amazing stories of men that chose Jesus above all else. They are inspiring stories that challenge me to live up to the faith I profess. But that’s it. What makes them important to me is that they are just normal people that made extraordinary choices. Their ordinariness is the hope I receive… because it means that in Christ I too can make extraordinary choices for Jesus in my life. To elevate them beyond that is unbiblical and unhelpful to my walk with the Lord.
Unfortunately, for your comment; it cannot be unbiblical as it is in scripture, as well as the scriptures were put together by the traditions that preceded them. In fact, to say it would be unbiblical after both tradition and in fact, scripture, presents it - would be similar as to say that Christ's ministry wasn't perfect and in fact he failed to still give us teachings.
Saints and Intercession are biblical, to say otherwise is simply wrong. I will pray for you, so you receive training to better lead your congregation. Here are just a few biblical references for you to start with: "With every prayer and request, pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, [c]be alert with all perseverance and every request for all the saints," (Ephesians 6:18). "Now I urge you, brothers and sisters, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me," (Romans 15:30). "for they cannot even die anymore, for they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection." (Luke 20:36). “See that you do not look down on one of these little ones; for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 18:10).
@@MyLanguageShopProtestants have no right to study the Bible if they are using interpretations that were made up in the 80s. You need to look into the original way Christians believed. Your Protestant mindset is the effect of many split offs in the Christianity of people trying to interpret things the way they want
@@MyLanguageShop how do you know what books of the Bible are inspired? Martin Luther wanted to remove 6 of the books that are currently recognized even by Protestants today, including James. How do you know that those books are legit?
Prayer in general is uplifting. Praying for our brothers is uplifting to the one praying, and potentially uplifting to the one being prayed for. Don't worry about invoking a low probability miracle from God. Instead, focus on the cultivation of directing energy in a positive, uplifting direction. Praying to a Saint might be helpful if you have significant belief that you are being heard and bolstered. Communal prayer is about creating a certain type of intentional climate in unity.
@@FreshPelmeni I don't doubt that there are multiple definitions, but there is one biblical one. Praying to saints is necromancy. The early church, not unlike the Israelites throughout history, was prone to idolatry. Those Roman pagan roots are hard to abandon. Fortunately God used the RCC as a vessel to preserve the gospel until believers could read for themselves and the reformation happened.
@@matthewm7487 1. The Bible is not the exclusive source of the definition of words, let alone Christian concepts. There is no contradiction between saying that the whole body of Christ are saints, and from saying specific unique individuals are saints in a different sense (being particularly holy). 2. Praying to saints is not necromancy and in fact comes from its Jewish heritage. 3. The great apostasy narrative of Protestantism is simply historically and logically false. Early Christians were not Protestant in character and likewise the only way you can have a biblical canon is from tradition. However, you then arbitrarily decide to mistrust the tradition when you don't like it. If no tradition is of normative, infallible authority, then the Scriptures themselves cannot be trusted. This is also ignoring the fact that you don't even use the canon the early Christians used.
God is the God of the living, not the dead. The saints in heaven are not dead, they are alive in Christ. You absolutely should bring your requests to Jesus directly. But there's nothing wrong with asking our brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for us as well, regardless of where they are. "Pray" simply means to make a request. If I ask you to pray for me, I'm praying to you to pray for me. Prayer and worship are not the same thing.
@@mrjkstark How are they alive? Nobody from them resurrected from the dead. They are in Heaven, but they are not angels. They don't know what is happening on Earth, they don't hear prayers. Only Jesus Christ is alive and hears our prayers. We should ONLY follow Him, since He is the only way to heaven. God is the creator. He creates and takes life, not the saints.
A holy Russian monk, Silouan when, explained it like this: "Once upon a time I did not understand how it was that the holy inhabitants of heaven could see our lives, but… I realize that they see us in the holy spirit and know our entire lives… In the kingdom of heaven the holy saints look upon the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ; but through the Holy Spirit they see to the suffering of man on earth. " It is through their intimate union of God that the Saints see us, hear us, and no worse. Jesus showed that the departed can be aware of events on earth when he asserted “Your forefather Abraham was extremely happy at the hope and prospect of seeing My day (My incarnation); and he did see it and was delighted. [Heb. 11:13.]” John 8:56 Saints can see us through the Holy Spirit the same way we can hear God. It's not a one way street. All Glory belongs to Christ. We don't bypass or give Saints Credit, but we do remember them to honor them.
There is only one mediator between man and God and that is Christ Jesus the Son of the living God. This is biblical no one else can interceed on our behalf.
Jesus alone is out mediator, but as we {saints) are united to God through Jesus, are we not then participants in the prayer and redemption God intends?
"It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me." St. Paul said. To pray to a Saint IS to pray to the Lord. They are part of His church in Heaven, and " The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." Asking for a saint's intercession is an act of humility and acknowledgement of God's immortal power on Earth and Heaven. That He can truly save us and work through us all. His Kingdom and its citizens shine with His grace and it is no sin to appeal to them. In fact, to ignore, subvert or deny the saints is to deny Him. You can and should confess and pray to Christ. But when one prays to a saint, one shows humility and faith that the Lord's grace abounds in the righteous who live in Him. Praying to a saint acknowledges His salvation. And it's a sign that you know that you need all the help you can get. Besides...God is not so easy to believe in and adhere to as Protestants and non-believers think. To quote Mikhaila's father, "How dare you say you believe in God?" His ways are not our ways. To live them is nearly impossible, and we turn from Him everyday. To suggest you know Christ well enough (or the Bible well enough) to lean only on your understanding of Him is prideful, and the proof is in the pudding: you are TERRIBLE at it. "Lean not on your own understanding." This is why we need the Church and the saints. They are gifts. These are ways of Christ to weight things in our favor and keep us on the path when we forget Him. They do not take from Him or distract from Him. They glorify and illuminate His ways to our fallen and wayward hearts.
I’m chuckling watching this. Milkhaila is a new Christian, but she is asking the right questions. And her instincts are correct, we don’t interact with Saints, only the Lord Jesus and God our Father. No doubt to me she is saved. I pray God continues to guide her.
All we should do as the body of christ is to point someone's focus more close to christ and the father and the holy spirit. Yes we are mirrors for God's love and reflections of christ in the world but ultimately we are to push eachother closer to not seeing his mirror but christ himself. I've always viewed it as I'm asking my fellow believers who know me to pray for me because it allows us to not only come together to christ in one voice, but it builds our relationships and love here on earth as well. As much as orthodox hangs on the view of this topic as the saints aren't dead, the fact remains that they are out of the physical body. They can no longer grow in love and relationships. 2 Corinthians chapter 5 tells us that to be out of the body is to be with the lord. The Saints are not omniscient, nor omnipresent. How do they hear your prayers? If they can, then when multiple people are praying to the same saint at the same time, how can they understand all the people at the same time? We pray to christ because he is God made flesh.
@@pinoygal6232 Matthew 22:32: "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living" Protestants have a fundamental misunderstanding of the gospel (A natural consequence of the fact that any Joe Schmo that can read can proclaim to be an expert and be their own authority or even a ''pastor''), which is why those false protestant gospels (and there are thousands of different ones) did not exist for the first 1500 years of Christianity...
No, they are not. Satan believes! Remember? Saints have supernatural holiness that the average Christian never attains. You can read about them. Then you will see the difference.
@@AuntBee185 Satan DOES NOT believe unto repentance. Faith and belief are two different things. The Born-Again have both and the imparted righteousness of Christ, (though we still struggle in the flesh). No-one in the Bible or outside of scripture has "Super-Natural Holiness" other than Christ. Not even the New Testament Apostles, Abraham, David, Solomon, or anyone else who ever lived. To believe otherwise IS NOT scriptural. How many Bible studies have you seen at the RCC or Anglican Church?
I know all who are being saved will be one in the end, but I sure would love to see the Orthodox and Catholics achieve this in this lifetime. Not likely, but still.
Ok so my position has always been that… James 5:16 says, "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful (and who is more righteous than the unblemished in heaven who have been cleansed by Jesus (saints)) As a result of this your prayers as a sinner here on earth as not as effective as the prayers of the saints.
This will be taken down quickly. Jesus said he was the branch believers were vines you can do nothing with out him. If you are a Repentant Christian following Jesus you are a Saint. The Catholic church started the qualifying of saints. it is not biblical. you don't have to wait till you die have three miracles preformed in your name and the a group of men make you a saint. And Remember what Jesus said He is the only way to the Father, no one else, no saints or Mary gets you to the Father. If you pray to a saint you are praying to the dead and also you are guilty of Idolatry. There are leaders in the church, Bishops and Deacons and minister's but not saint's or a Pope. Always take it to Jesus, he will make it plain.
You are correct that repentant Christians following Christ are saints. However, but we cannot assume that this is always the case for us. What I mean is: 1) We could lose your faith in Christ tomorrow and die afterwards outside the faith. In this scenario we are not a saint. 2) We could stop repenting and start living in sins and passions unto death without repentance. In this scenario we are not a saint either. Because of these two possibilites, this is why Sainthood is emphasised after someone has passed away, because then it's final whether the person was actually a repentant Christian; following Jesus. If they are shown after their death to be a true follower of Christ; then as Paul says, they are rulers with Christ, "joint heirs with Christ" (Romans 8:17) and therefore also "sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus," Ephesians 2:6. True saints are alive in Christ and rule with Him, this is why "we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses," Hebrews 12:1 as paul says. Saints are physical, living examples of the Gospel in their lives, and thus, we should praise them as such. Christ is at the Top of the Mountain, His mother slightly lower, then St John the Baptist, then all the saints of the Old & New covenant. Christ is the mediator at the top of the mountain, but the Saints act as intercessors, bringing us up to Christ through their lived examples of the Gospel. Saint Paul is a good example of the Gospel lived out for evangelism, St Peter is a good example of the Gospel lived out with zeal, Mary the Mother of God is the Gospel lived out as an example of Motherhood, all of these are ways the Gospel brings one to Christ, because it is "Christ in them" (Galatians 2:20) that is honoured and makes them alive.
@@olubunmiolumuyiwa There are so many scriptures taken out of context there's to many to go through here. Sainthood is only for the repentant sinner following Christ. If they return to their unrepentant state they are not still a saint, simple. There is no dogpile of saints, including Mary. It is so simple. Saint's are all repentant sinner's as long as they walk the walk with Jesus every day. Deliberately returning into the sinful life, into which scripture goes into detail about, you are lost, sainthood has nothing to do with it. Sainthood is a title of the repentant believer only. not a position that a group of men and a list of miracles qualify a person for. This is not a complicated subject. The name Priesthood, Christian, Saint are all titles of people that stop a life of sin confessing Jesus to others following his commandments, waiting on Jesus' return, whether in death or Jesus' coming. this is simple. Making Idols of the living and the dead is idolatry plain and simple. also like I stated earlier talking or praying to the dead is sinful and ridiculous in practice.
Uhm, do you guys forget the wedding of Canna? Just curious because Mary's intercession was actually what began Christ's ministry. No one says Jesus isn't 100% our salvation. We just happen to know that the favored ones that God loves so much, can pray for her when we need help. I would trust a virtuous and only saint in Heaven, then my local Protestant pastor.
@@pinoygal6232 i notice you made multiple post with this same comment not realizing not once did anyone use the statement "pray TO another" except you? cause i'm only reading people saying "pray FOR"
Biblical usage of the word "saints" is always plural, and is applied to those who are a part of the body of Christ here on Earth. It was never used in the singular in the Bible, or used as a title for one special person. WE are the saints, those who faithfully trust and abide in Christ.
In Hebrews, they are referred to as "a great cloud of witnesses" But I believe in one mediator, our Righteous Messiah. I pray to the Father and ask by Jesus' name, or say by the merit of Yeshua.
Yes, and the Bible speaks about the Church but doesn’t ever, not once speaks of Protestants, or Baptists, or Non-denominational, etc. Does that mean we shouldn’t use those words? The Bible’s does speak about righteousness and virtues and faithfulness and keeping Christ’s commandments to love, and about people who do this more, right? Those who are considered to be Saints in traditional apostolic Christian language are people whom others recognized as having attained an exceptional degree of righteousness, virtue and fidelity to Christ. Christians today should have no problem with the word Saint, or with honoring those followers of Jesus to this day who have become inspirations due to their being very Christ-like… as He calls us all to become.
That's weird the saints in Revelation seem to be around a heavenly altar, the heavenly throne of God and the Lamb from which flows rivers of living water (Holy Spirit). But I guess that's just earthly saints. It gets worse for you though because the greek word that's translated "saints" is hagios - meaning Holy, sacred, set aside, *worthy of veneration*
The Orthodox Church has always been a matter of community. And this is manifested in the veneration of saints, attitude towards fasting, prayer, making decisions, recommendations, and what is most important in the Holy Liturgy.We all do it together😊
As long as you're not praying to any saints it's still biblical, but they were flawed like every other human. The only one ever sinless was Jesus, that's why we're supposed to praising & following him and no other.
@@DraQinnpraying doesn’t mean worship, the west has dumbed down Christianity so much that all these things that the original Christians did for over a thousand years seems foreign to all of you Protestants. Luckily this is only mostly a problem in the US.
The Saints are part of the family and they are In the presence of our Lord…
No they are not and we should not pray to them The dead know nothing new under the sun.
@ they saints are not part of the family?
You need to read your Bible bro. Your comment is heresy
“Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God. But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,”
Hebrews 12:1-2, 22-23 ESV
@@RGTomoenage11 Nobody’s in heaven yet Jesus has not came back and judged. The dead are the grave until Jesus comes back raises them from the dead and they meet in the sky in the clouds with Jesus Christ .
@@ryangraham7012 Protestantism led to wokeism: 'no authority, MY TRUTH'
@ Hebrews 12 says their spirits are in heaven. Should I believe you or the Bible?
Also revelation 5:8
Also Moses and Elijah on the gospel of Mathew appearing to the Lord and seen by Peter and 3 more.
Please read your Bible
I always pray to St. Panteleimon when there's a sickness in the house. He was a physician (He died in 305AD). And he's still a physician!
Well, if he is a physician does he come and perform surgeries or write prescriptions? I bet he does not.
@@samgdpeG no, and neither did Jesus, the Great Physician who healed people. It's called the miraculous.
@ yes, the Bible does not call Jesus the Great Physician… did you not know this? Jesus performed miracles- not cure people as a physician would do. Now, there’s a reason the miracles in the Bible.
@samgdpeG there are multiple accounts of Saints such as St. Nektarios of Aegina performing miraculous healings and surgeries long after his repose. Even moments after he died, the sweater he was wearing healed a paralytic after it was laid on the man's hospital bed. The Saints are alive and are filled with the Grace to aid those in need. I don't get the Protestant hatred for the friends of Christ who do His will even in bodily death.
@ frankly this is just not true. Because one says things that need to be said, does this means I hate dead people of the past? By no means. I was raised Roman Catholic. I understand the gross idolatry of Roman Catholicism because I lived in such culture. My parents would take me as a child to pilgrimages to holy sites where people would crawl on their bloodied knees to places that hold statues of Mary, whereas vendors sell their trinkets to the poor so that the “blessed Virgin” would perform her miracles- etc. My dad was a devout and died a horrible death. Now, l’m not saying that Mary had anything to do with all that- because if anything, she does not have this kind of power. Nor the saints. So there’s that. Is this hatred? Well, I don’t think you understand the meaning of the word “hate.” I tell you this, I have never hated anyone, but I know what this word means. How can you understand the complexities of proper theology if you can’t understand the meaning of hatred?
Ask the Saints to pray for you 🙏🏻
When I think of stories of saint I think of it like if I wanna be a pro athlete I learn from the other successful athletes. Just learning how to be a true servant and give myself to him and let his will be done through me.
New age Christianity is more of an individual and personal relationship. I used to believe this way, but as I matured, I began understanding the true importance of the Church and why it is critical to the Christian faith. If Christianity had to rely on new age protestant Christians to carry out the word of God, the Church and Christianity would deteriorate within 150 years.
I escaped a cult and thought I would never look back at religion. My therapist has recommended I read stories of the saints. I can confirm this comment. The life of saints are examples of them following Christ to the full extent of their life, therefore confirming with their own life, the existence of Christ. Reading their stories (St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Lawrence of Rome). Reading their stories has helped re kindle my dying faith, as I have strayed so far that I NEED physical evidence.. and the saints are physical evidence of Christ. I am not Catholic yet.
@@charfutpov2533 I’ll pray for you tonight when I pray my rosary if that’s okay? For healing for any psychological trauma you and anyone had had throughout their life. And for the conversions of those seeking the truth that has been revealed by Jesus and his Shepherds he appointed through the Church he established.
Mikhaila you are super cool for having this conversation, ty for your open mind and heart. May you experience many blessings and joy, even in the hard times and may you rise like never before through them.
I have worked in the alcoholic/addiction community, when people are going through a really rough batch they hesitate to pray to Jesus. They do not feel worthy due to low self worth and damaged pyches caused by addictions. However I have had success in getting them to pray to a saint to pray for them directly to Jesus. It works like a stepping stone. The mentality of "I cant be like Jesus Christ he is perfect, but this Saint was horrible and repented, turned his life around, surely I can do the same "
@@travisaleric5703 only Jesus saves
Oh my goodness!!!
It's about relationship with JESUS, or call HP, or door nob.
The Catholic church has made us fearful of JESUS.
Or rather they know that false prying to Jesus might be a sin, and they are afraid of doing it??.
Is it possible that they know they are not honest and they just pretend in order to continue to be helped by religious people like you??
In all instances when I saw people praying to saints, they thought that is better to be fake with some dude like them instead of real God. They knew that real God can see their hearts.
You are way too naive in understanding people's motives.
My country, the Philippines, has 2 canonized Saints.
I have a unique connection with these 2 saints because
- we share the same language,
- the same culture, and
- I feel that they understand the same struggles that I have as one Filipino to another.
Since saints Lorenzo & Pedro are my elders, I can also ask them how to serve and love Christ better.
.......It's comforting to know that there are 2 proven saints who are walking before me, as we pursue Jesus Christ, Our Lord.
@@jayjaychadoy9226 'Fear' correctly understood, in the Christian sense, is more akin to reverence. In hoc signo vinces +.
Great answer. I'm going to show 3:35 it in my Catholic Christian Initiation meeting next week
Most Holy Theotokos save us!☦
How can she save you?
Oops, wrong savior.
"Most Holy" ? Huh, thought that was God.
@@elizabethburns1449 can you tell me what you think Theotokos means? Without googling anything, please.
@@DejanGolubov by interceding for us.
Christ is king amen🔥🔥‼️
Jonathan Peageau is an amazing teacher! The Church and the world need more people like this! Bring them to the light! Glory to Jesus Christ!
Do you think we should pray to the saints and Mary??
@@ryangraham7012 Protestantism led to wokeism: 'no authority, MY TRUTH'. LGTB pastors are only found in Protestantism.
@@ryangraham7012 Yes they (Orthodox/Catholic) do. Ignore this false doctrine.
@@jonnydoe85 Well the Bible for bids that and yes I deny Mary and the Saints and they’re dead they’re not in heaven right now they don’t hear your prayers and they have no power only Jesus Christ has the power to heal and forgive🙌
Jonathan Pageau is the man!!!
Your right he is the man. Brilliant and one of the smartest people I've ever come across, but he too can be wrong on some stuff🙂. Remember that🤨
He's brilliant? Look at the confusion on the girl's face! This guy could complicate a pancake.
@@shawnqwiliso3192what is he wrong about? Not saying he can’t be wrong but you seem to have a moment to say when he was wrong?
@@cesarsanchez1355 On this very matter. Scroll through this comment section where I have another comment on why he is wrong
Great topic. An important one. Keep up the great work and discussions. God Bless
Always love seeing your videos , very educative, I'm really blessed only God knows how much I praise him, getting $100k bi weekly and I’m retired now. I’ve got a good cash and can also support my family
Hello!! how do you make such bi-weekly , sometimes I feel so down of myself because of low finance but I still believe God
This is what Daisy Clara does, she has changed my life.
Wow! I know Daisy Clara, and I have also had success...
Absolutely! I have heard stories of people who started with little or no knowledge but managed to emerge victorious thanks to Daisy Clara.
Please what’s her contact information?
Saints are role models. We all fall short of the Glory of God, but we are all called to be saints.
Regarding: “there is one mediator”
1) We are explicitly told to “make intercession” for one another - so this fact alone should make us pause on how we understand “one mediator”
2) But an often overlooked point is that the word for “mediator” in the one verse is not the same word as “intercessor” in the other.
They have overlap but there is a significant difference. A *mediator* is, as the name suggests, between the two parties - that is to say, the mediator **represents BOTH parties** - and as fully God and fully man - Christ is the only one who is the mediator.
An **intercessor** represents or beseeches for one party before another. As such, the Holy Spirit can intercede for us (as it is written) and Christ can intercede for us (as it is also written) but so can saints (as we are in fact commanded to pray for one another).
Yes. We are taught to intercede for others. And to pray to God. Not to seek intercession from the dead, especially in the form of prayers, as the state of the dead and their ability is not made clear in scripture. Since it isn't clear, we ought not form a doctrine or practice around it, especially something that has as much potential danger if we're wrong as this (making requests to potentially misidentified spirits)...
@@stephenkeen6044Really??? Then why are the Saints offering up our prayers to God in heaven as we read in the book of Revelation? Those who lived as Saints on earth never die. They are alive with Christ in heaven. God is not the God of the dead but of the living.
For anyone interested… Catholic Bible Highlights on UA-cam with Kenny Burchard does a wonderful biblical walk through the scriptures on why we pray to Mary and the Saints. Also, meditation has to do with covenant making and not simply praying or asking. Interestingly, the original scriptures did not have punctuation and if the verse is read straight through we read… there is only one mediator Christ Jesus who died for our sins. So true as God used Abraham, Noah etc. all as mediators and none of them died for us. Just saying.
@@Peace2U-LM _"why are the Saints offering up our prayers to God in heaven as we read in the book of Revelation"_
They aren't.. At least I don't read any passage in Revelation which says that, please show it to me.
Besides, the language / literary style of Revelation is not literal, but more allegorical / imagery. But please do quote where it says that for me and we can go from there.
All who are born again are "saints", this is a title that is used numerous times in the new testament for all believers.
One mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus! 1 Timothy 2:5,6! It is very clear
@@stephenkeen6044 Rev 5:8,11, Rev 6:9-11, Rev 8:3-4, Rev 11:16-19 are verses about Saints, and angels interacting with God, offering up the prayers of the Saints, petitioning. The Tranfiguration is also an example of "dead" Saints talking to Christ.
Don't worry. All our doubts and questions will be answered when we reach heaven. I won't be much surprised for believing what I believe. Stay blessed. Shalom.
Jesus at the center of it all, let's not hate each other.
Amen
Wow, thank you 🙏 amen. I really enjoyed this. God bless you both IJN 🙏
It’s false and unbiblical and Blasphemy to pray to any other person than Jesus Christ
Mikhalia stumbling through and trying to figure out about Christ has really helped me as someone who is also going through that process.
So am I. But it's been worth it. Do not give up.
Come out of the RCC cult and seek Him alone.
Knowing God by Dr J I Packer....thank me later, best book ever written, used on Amazon for $4
@@pinoygal6232pagaeu is orthodox
@@Godlvr008 So good.
Asking why we need saints is like asking why we need family and friends if only our spouse is officially married to us. The kingdom of God is a kingdom of believers, we will be with them for eternity. So ask them to help you get to your destination (heaven), they’re already there. ❤
I love their matching outfits
The Saints are all our Christian history. They are beloved people who existed in time and provide extra inspiration for the trials and tribulations of life. We honor them just as we would honor any beloved family member. They are never prayed "to", they pray for us.
A saint or priest who has dedicated their life to God has the ability to offer a very powerful prayer. A novice, although effective, might not have the same vision for the church. Therefore, it is wise counsel to have your elders pray over your church.
Proverbs 2:8 He guards the paths of justice, And preserves the way of His saints.
Saints are born again believers in Jesus
A saint is someone who is free from lower nature (fear, anger, lust, greed, envy etc.), free of "I", "me". 99.99% of the so called born again believers in Jesus are not free.
@@vladn6031 Can you cite a verse in Scripture to defend this claim?
@@vladn6031 can you provide a scripture to make this claim? I can provide about 10 to defend mine
Protestantism led to wokeism: 'no authority, MY TRUTH'
@@nicholas3073 Jesus built a Church, that Church made the Bible. You are leaving out tradition and authority. It's not "just scripture".
I think Mikhaela is right. We can pray for each other when we're alive not when we're dead. That includes saints
Jesus very clearly says that God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. The people who die confirmed in grace are more alive right now than you and I are, because they have eternal life in Heaven.
@@FiftyShadesOfTan but Moses and Elijah appeared on Mt. Tabor to the Apostles with Christ.
❤our Love & prayers for each other create Heaven on Earth❤
Heaven on Earth is the New Millennium
I see saints as brave soldiers of Christ. They are admired for their faith and actions, but only God is to be worshipped. I'm Catholic and have been reading a tonne over the past few years to better know my faith and grow in my love for Jesus.
Then you’re not catholic
You kept the questions real, MP. I follow Mr. Pageau too and I was raised a Catholic . I still struggle to understand/appreciate prayers to saints. I wish you asked Mr. Pageau why we need to bow to the images of saints. Is that not counter biblical?
By the way, your costume is cool! You looked like a rebellious adolescent when you held that bottle 😂
In short no it isn't unbiblical
You don’t have to bow to saints. It’s a choice to show a sign of respect if you choose to do so. It’s not dogma or doctrine. If anyone tells you that you have to bow to icons, they were poorly formed and are misinforming you.
Absolutely biblical Joshua 7:6 theirs obviously more examples in the Bible of veneration of icons but this is just a quick example, idolatry in the Bible is one who puts anything either on the same level or above God, literally anything can be idol if ur not careful how u treat it. Hopefully that helps God bless 🙏🏾
In the Bible people bowed to the kings and other holy and important figures the word worshiped is even use this Is simply a western dejection to bowing in my opinion
Just like everything else in our world can be: The Saints are an icon (a conduit) to God. The problem arises when you idolize them, putting them over God. But if you pray for intercession (again, a conduit) then prayers to saints make perfect metaphysical sense.
Asking someone to pray is not the same as praying to someone….the person that prays for someone is still praying directly to Jesus…
Exactly
@Jesus1145 to pray = to petition. Prayer is not worship in and of itself. It merely means to petition for intercession, to ask for aid. Jonathan doesn't do a great job here of explaining intercession of the Saints, but it is a tradition that predates Christianity and was inherited when the Apostles established the deposit of faith and traditions.
Intercession? Abraham interceded for wicked Sodom, God told Job to intercede for his friends, Daniel and Nehemiah prayed for the "remnant" Jews in Jerusalem. The Psalms are all about interceding and praying Psalms to God for ourselves and loved ones. Hebrews"there is one Mediator", Jesus, by Whom we have direct access. Paul in the New Covenant urges prayer in every epistle. The problem arises when saints become objects of worship. 1 ,2 commandments" Thou shall have no other gods or any graven images"
That said, excited for your spiritual growth Mikhaila(dads too!)
@@Godlvr008 worship requires sacrifice, no sacrifice is given to saints. Ergo, not worship. Prayer is request, which you can pray to or pray for anyone that is in communion with Christ. Also learn the context of the commandments and Leviticus to truly grasp what God has put forth. An image of a saint is not what God was chiding about icons. Golden calves being worshipped to were.
We have the golden calf in exodus 32 as an example of idolatry. 5 chapters late we see a command to build the ark of the covenant, a venerable an object with images of cherubim. This was not idolatry but verneration. Just like icons
@@coolerthanthy The ark was made for the temple services, true: but not seen by everyone.
It was placed in the innermost room of the temple, since it was where God's divine glory shone: not to be seen by sinful men, lest they die, but only by the high priest, one day of the year, and not without blood of sacrifice.
@@Colin-to1nv relics from the apostles like handkerchiefs were seen by everyone and healed people. If you had a fragment of The Cross, you wanna tell me you wouldn’t even clutch it tight???
Would you be worshipping the wood?
Have you ever admired a loved ones photo and almost kissed them through the picture?
Are you kissing the glass and frame of the picture? No, your contact point is with your loved one. This is the same with veneration.
Great vid, thank you. But a humble suggestion: I suggest you get lower mics the come upward not downward, it would look better in the frame imho.
In the Catholic view, God works primarily through secondary causes. God loves when you recognize his work through the saints, similarly when honoring an artist's piece. Our relationship with God and his creation is not a zero-sum game.
"God did not create and redeem the world in order to get more glory, but rather to give it. There is no tug-of-war between the Creator and His creatures." - Scott Hahn
Praying to Mary or biblical saints however is worshipping of said person and no longer biblical. Naming churches after saints is a very unstable foundation, such as *St Kateri, St Francis, or St Nicholas*. God sees all that believe in him and follow Jesus as saints.
@DraQinn "To pray" is to request or thank, not worship. When we pray to the saints, technically, we're asking for them to pray for us to God. It would be like asking our friends to pray for us.
@@DraQinn Praying to someone is not worshipping them. Try praying through Psalm 103, and ask yourself who you're praying to verse by verse.
@@sanjivjhangiani3243 There is no need to pray to a saint. Saints are dead. We have the wonderful blessing to pray directly to God the Father through Jesus. Catholicism isn't Biblical.
Scott Hahn is just brilliant
🙌😊 Victory is yours King Jesus Christ of Nazareth. All is well. Better day's ahead. Your will be done Abba! 👏😇
Jesus is God
God the Son
the way to God
He worshipped God and never claimed to be God. Do not cross the first commandment which is the greatest commandment of the God! This is a huge huge blasphemy
@@koroglurustem1722 Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God. The Father is God. Trinity.
@@koroglurustem1722 Jesus not only said he was God, but he was predicted to come as God hundreds of years before arriving.
Why do you claim to know the Bible if you haven't studied it?
IF the reality that Jesus IS who He said He was could be proven to you, would you become a follower of Christ?
6:00 Yes, Christ is our only MEDIATOR between us and the Father....IN SALVATION! No one else mediated our salvation but HIM!! But that doesn't mean others can not pray for us or INTERCEDE for us. Actually four verse before the one about Christ's mediation, Paul says this: "I exhort therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks (eucharistos) be made for all men...For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior" (1 Tim. 2)
Interesting question. The answer is this. You can't have the head without the body. Christ is the head and the Church is his body. The Church includes the saints that have gone before us.
The body also includes the believers currently living on earth.
Look would you rather have the coversation with Jesus Christ when going to heaven being like "yeah it would have been totally chill had you done that my child" or "you absolutely should never have done such thing"
We still shouldn't pray or build idols to them. There are no demi gods in Christianity. Christ is the number you want to call when you are in trouble.
May your seeking of Truth, and willingness to sacrifice all for the sake of your salvation and the salvation of others, end in the rejoicing of Christ in the fullness of truth, which is found fully in the Orthodox Church. May God bless you and your family.
To reason to do this. The Bible does not support the idea that those who have died in Christ are responsive to prayers from the living. Scripture emphasizes that prayer should be directed to God, as He alone is sovereign, omniscient, and able to hear and answer our prayers. In Isaiah 8:19, believers are cautioned against seeking the dead, highlighting that we should inquire of God rather than look to those who have passed on. The biblical pattern of prayer consistently directs us to rely on God alone for help, guidance, and intercession.
"And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." - Revelation 5:8
@@davidscott5859 rev 8:5 as well
Luke 20:36-38. "Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."37 But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ 38 For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”
The saints doesn’t have the ability to listen to every prayer of every human on earth, only God is Omnipresent. That’s Why I only Pray to God In The Name Of Jesus like the scripture teaches us to do.
@franciscolugo3080 how do you know the saints can't hear us?
Great conversation!
Christ is the bridge connecting us to the Father. Saints are the bridge connecting us to Christ 🙏
Thank you for your knowledge and videos
The are things that Protestants need to understand first before asking about the saints. A key point is the difference in heaven and the death in Catholic and Protestants.
Although many Protestants have many differences, most have the view that a dead person goes to heaven or hell and are then totally disconnected from the living entirely. Some say they don't even recognize us anymore even when we go to heaven. And in heaven they just praise God and nothing else.
In Catholicism everyone is alive in heaven and can do much more and are participants in the entire plan of God for his people, kingdom, and family. God allows them to still "work". Because they are higher spiritual beings (when they were on earth and even more in heaven), they have gotten favor with God. They lived the life God wanted us to live, and had exceptional spiritually.
I agree that the difference in understanding of the status of the dead is valuable to keep in mind in the discussion, but perhaps the origin and source of the differences is even more important.
_"are then totally disconnected from the living entirely"_
That's probably because every example we have in scripture follows this pattern. It's a perfectly valid interpretation of scripture that the dead are only aware of their presence with God (or not aware of anything) between death and resurrection. And since that's a valid interpretation, creating doctrine and taking actions based on another possible interpretation is not only dangerous, but potentially misleading. Better to err on the side of caution than to open yourself to introducing elements to your practice of faith that include communication with possibly misidentified spiritual entities.
If it were useful, valid or meaningful for us to communicate with the dead, it would be more clearly and easily understood from the text of scripture. Instead, every case of such behaviour is either directly warned against or described as futile (parable of the rich man and Lazarus).
What "work" is it that they can "do" in your view?
"First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time." - 1 Timothy 2:1-6
The living intercede for the living and Christ is the only mediator between us and the Father.
I like your idea...but why in the old testament the arcangel Raphael was presenting the prayers of Tobias and Sarah to God? This is intercession from an angel...why saints couldn't do it as well ?
Jesus is the one and only mediator to the Father. When we ask the Saints to pray for us, they are praying to the Son as we do here on Earth.
Also we can became saints. At least we could be a better person on the way of holiness
Saints are role model for me, I can learn a lot from.
One priest last week in La Salette told us the secret why avarege people became saints:
" because they always saw opportunity instead of problems, even in the greatest, hard challenges .
❤ I am happy for Mikhaela and her family getting closer to our creator, God.
The only role model that you should have as a Christian is Jesus Christ. He taught us everything we need to follow and live by. He is the only way to Heaven. The one and only Lord and Creator, noone else!
@@NikolaosCharitidis you don’t even live by this standard. You read the prophets and lives the apostles and you are inspired by them and their actions too. Learning from the saints actually teaches you how to follow Christ better.
@@zachlehkyi9951 Firstly, you don't know me to claim that I don't live by this standard. Secondly, Jesus is the center of Christianity. I don't understand how you came up with the idea that you learn from the saints how to live life by the Christian standards , when clearly Jesus says he is the only way. I really am trying to understand why are you trying to contradict my saying. They were all sinners, Jesus was and is perfect and most importantly, he rose from the dead and is alive, shouldn't we try and be like Jesus?
@ yes we should try to be like Jesus but we should also try to be like Moses, David, Daniel, Ezekiel, Paul, Mark, etc. by your logic, let’s toss out every book and example on the Bible except for the gospels
@@zachlehkyi9951 Could you explain to me a reason to be like the people you mentioned? And I don't understand how did you come to this conclusion about "my" logic. I am simply saying that there is only one person we all should try and live by His standards, and that is Jesus Christ. That is what the bible is teaching us, it doesnt say follow Ezekiel or David or Daniel.
Good explanation! ❤
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My family have been into series of sufferings lately
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Miss Maria Luisa Clare is a remarkable individual whom has brought immense positivity and inspiration into my life..
Absolutely! I've heard stories of people who started with little to no knowledge but made it out victoriously thanks to Maria Luisa Clare.
Saints inspire us and we learn from their examples. We learn from contemporary saints when we submit to one another because saints are living. "Those He called He also sanctifies (makes into a saint), those He sanctifies He also glorifies."
Looking to those who passed on to intercede for us takes them away from their ministry of prayer which is described this way:
They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before You will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
The saints with Christ look forward to their vindication. The saints on earth pray with and for one another.
The question of the story of Saints is better answered in Church history. In the early church, in Rome, when Christianity was still outlawed and illegal, Christians weren't allowed to publicly acknowledge or celebrate the death of those who had died for their faith. They died in secret, and early followers could not mourn that loss. Once the church became legalised as the State religion of Rome, it became acceptable to celebrate the lives of loved ones who had died for the faith, which wasn't possible before. You will find the celebration of the Saints and Martyrs on the 1st of November, which is the Feast Day to celebrate all Saints and Martyrs, known or unknown. The increasing deification of the Saints, I am less sure. Still, it's interesting to know their story and, as a protestant myself, to see other Christians perhaps wishing to do away with the tradition. Perhaps Catholics over-ritualised the Saints, taking them away from their historic roots.
No no. In the early days when the Church was heavily persecuted, Mass was offered in secret over the tombs of the maryters. Their tombstones served as some of the earliest altars. An ancient tradition which is still held in the Catholic church today where every consecrated altar contains an altar stone which houses the relics of a maryter or a few maryters.
Anytime you see something in Catholicism and think 'hum that's sort of weird' it typically he case that if you do some research its comes from something ancient. In some cases it even dates further with roots in the OT or first century Judaism.
Needed in the sense of 'here's a good example of how to live a Christian life"
You are right Michaela! Saints in heaven are not interfering on our behalf. Saints on earth are though. If you are born again and saved, you are called a saint, not a sinner anymore! Saints in heaven are waiting till the day we all get new bodies, and will go with Jesus to heaven. There we will worship our Lord, and later come back with Him to this earth to reign with Him for a thousand years. But you will learn that. 😉 You go girl! Jesus has you! Stay in Him! 😇
But John sees worship in heaven, and there are elders in priest's vestments offering our prayers as incense before the Throne of God. Your idea of what this means was not present until the mid 19th century with John Nelson Darby. Meanwhile we have many records of Christians collecting the bones of martyrs to venerate and heal the sick with since the 1st century. Christians and the Jews before them always venerated the Saints, whether it be Moses or Paul or St. Panteleimon. It wasn't even an issue for 16 centuries.
See also Rachel crying for her children. The tomb of Rachel has been a pilgrimage site for Jews for millennia. See also Jesus' story about the rich man and Lazarus, with the rich man asking Abraham to intercede for him. See also the archangel Raphael in Tobit who brings the prayers of the righteous before God.
@huntz0r Job 33:23-25
If there is a messenger for him,
An intercessor, one among a thousand, to show man His uprightness, then He is gracious to him, and says, ‘Deliver him from going down to the Pit; I have found a ransom’; His flesh shall be young like a child’s, He shall return to the days of his youth.
When we ask people to pray for us, we are looking them in the eye, they can hear us with their ears, they can put their arm around you or hold your hand. That's a major difference than in asking someone who is no longer on earth to pray for you. I'm not sure Jonathan answered the question.
In Revelation 5 (I believe) we see elders in Heaven offering the prayers of the living as incense to God. But as Orthodox we don't see everything restricted to the Biblical text. We also rely on Holy Traditions such as the Divine Liturgy and the writings of the Church Fathers and Ecumenical Councils. These three pillars, Scripture, Tradition, Patristics, compliment and uphold each other holistically.
When living people pray for you, they can bind evil strongholds that are vexing you. We can pray for a hedge of protection around you etc. I would never pray for a dead saint to help. We have the Holy Spirit and fellowship with other believers. It’s simple.
Cool, you just called God, God of the dead. Nice heresy.
@@TheRagingheat05 got 'em~!
@@4-Avenue Good point, raging heat. Matthew 22:32 reference -- one could argue that it only means "alive after resurrection" (since that is the topic of the chapter). But following Jesus' words, it does logically make more sense if Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are bodily dead, but alive in a spiritual way. And the resurrection would complete their "alive-ness" again.
The dead don't cease to exist. They are still in communion with us. The Church in this world and the Church in heaven is still one body.
@@daregularperson i think that's the issue Protestants argue. We know that their earthly life has ended, however, we know them to be alive spiritually in communion with God. Christ has said the body is weak but the spirit is willing, which implies that life is a matter of the soul. It does not in any way contradict the Truth nor the Glory of God.
A common misunderstanding is that saints are those who are of outstanding spiritual status. However, scripture identifies as saint anyone who professes Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Also, scripture calls us into a personal intimate (close) relationship with God, who is Jesus which involves personal prayer as a vital part of that relationship. And saints who are interceding for one another in prayer is a supplemental corporate way of supporting and showing love to one another.
Mikhaila you probably won’t read this, but you are exactly right. We should only pray to our Saviour. The long tradition of praying to saints was started because people lacked faith. Sure, it’s awesome that these amazing people saved by God are already up there. But our faith depends on relying on the resurrection power of Jesus and in many ways we rise daily through our faith as little pictures of the eventual bodily resurrection. I’m praying for you and your family that you will be blessed and protected. With love from your brother Sean!
Protestantism led to wokeism: 'no authority, MY TRUTH'.
So you want to intercede for Mikhaila but tell her that she should only pray to her savior? Why should her and her family need or want your prayers if the only correct way to pray to to pray to God directly.
@@shobudski6776 dont expect theological consistency from a prot
Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father but by Him. We don’t need to go through saints to talk to God. We just need Jesus. He is our all in all. The beginning and the end.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
You guys love quoting that yet fail to give the context literally verses before it. But also forgets James exists and then also fail to give context there.
@@TheRagingheat05 ALL those who practice Lordship Salvation will be told "depart from me, I never knew you"
@@pinoygal6232
Literally the people who just proclaim to believe in His name, who can’t even agree on baptism & Eucharist, who pretend to be & know Christianity will be told depart from Him.
If the Bible is true, then Protestantism & deform “Christianity” is false by default.
If the Bible is true, then why did Sola Scriptura lead to hundreds of “biblical” cults/sects, often contradictory both in worship & theology, instead of uniting in behind that truth? And of course each protie sect/cult has to believe they got the word of God right (orthos)
@@mumak333 We Christians believe in being Baptized, we don't believe it is a salvation issue though.
We also take the Eucharist, we just don't believe in a literal transfiguration, nor that it is an act of salvation.Sacraments don't save you, Jesus does.
The Church is a group of Born Again Believers that has nothing to do with a particular denomination, but what each person believes as an individual.
I'm saying the Bible IS True and that's why the RCC is anathema. Also true, there are Born Again Believers even in cults.
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Protestant deformed “Christians“ are often contradictory & incompatible “biblical” cults/sects that can’t agree on worship & theology, baptism just being an example
A question to those of you who pray to Saints.
What do you think you can receive from a Saint that you’re not receiving from Christ/God in the person of the Holy Spirit?
The Saint is not doing the work but it’s the power of the HolySpirit/Christ within the Saint doing the work.
What I struggle with Pageu’s interpretation of the saints being able to mediate and intercede on your behalf, is that it makes us the judge of whether that person is in heaven or not, and the only judge is God the father.
I believe that the Catholic church, when they determine that someone is a 'saint', have assured themselves through the canonization process, that the person is in heaven. being a saint = being in heaven. I would conclude from the discussion that anyone who is in heaven can intercede for us. But your point is how can we know that.
They didn’t name them saints just because they thought it was cute though, the church follows a process to confirm they are saints. But more than that it’s simply faith, because if you think about it, we don’t really know who wrote the bible, we just take it by faith as the word of God and we know it’s true, even though we can’t “prove” it.
We believe that God reveals to us on earth his judgement of particular people based on their relationship with him. That is, they undergo theosis: the transformation into God's own image, such that they exhibit divine qualities by virtue of their participation in the life of God. God shares his very self with them because of their humility and submission to God. Their character and actions are, in effect, miraculous, and we can know that they are Holy.
Yeah you don't only the church can and even the church can't say who goes to hell but we can affirm that some very exceptional people are in heaven.Very simple example will be the apostles,moses,Paul,Mary,Joseph etc!
If you believe the church has the ability to bind and loose then the church can define saints!
Because it’s not biblical and it’s blasphemy you only need to pray to Jesus Christ that’s it. Also the saints aren’t even heaven they’re dead and they know nothing new under the sun they’re waiting to be called up by Jesus Christ into the clouds From their sleep a.k.a. death also Jesus Christ is never came back so nobody is in heaven right now other than Moses and Enoch and the Angels
Saints are biblical and if we make it to heaven We are Saints. Great answer Mr. Pageau.
Mikhaila's point stands. Jesus says ask him in his name or pray to the Father in his name. He doesn't say pray to others. This is the primary way of praying (it seems to me).
Does Jesus deny prayer to saints?
@@darrellperez1029 He doesn't say anything about it in the 4 Gospels. WHen asked about Prayer he talks about praying to him and to the Father, and about forgiveness, praying in secret, etc. (See Matthew 5, Luke 11, John 14-16)
@Duane422 He never says confession in secret. See James 5:16. The bible tells us that no one in Christ dies and Hebrews claims thay the Saints are closer to God. The gospels mention intercession (spoken by Christ Himself). Further Revelations clarifies that Saints present our prayers to God.
Lastly, what does the word "pray" mean?
@@darrellperez1029 Right. I meant when he says "go into your room and pray to your father in secret, and your father who sees you in secret will reward" (Matthew 6). James 5 says indeed "confess your sins to one another." I am not following how this connects? Christ intercedes yes, that is Mikhaila's point ("there is one mediator between God and man"). I was saying Jesus in the Gospels does not talk about intercession of anyone other than himself.
@Duane422 Actually thats not true. In James 5:16, Christ says "intercede for one another." Moreso, the bible also records that Jesus cured people because of the faith of their friends.
And the ine mediator would be good to know how Timothy begins
1 Timothy 2 reads:
exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that.
Thanks for openly sharing this question. I think the answer to it depends on how you see Scripture or revelation itself. For me, the Bible is the only standard and authority I can go with in this day and age. So I follow the examples I see in the New Testament of Jesus and the apostles praying to the Father, praying for each other, while they were alive; and taking Jesus as that one and only Royal Priest and ruling King, intermediator, and intercessor. I’ll leave you with the words of Jesus found in John 16:24: “Until now you have asked nothing in my name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.”
6:41 I had to do a double-take, I thought Mikaila was straight up drinking Vodka or something during this clip 😂 Must be sparkling water or something.
Great clip, though. I've had the same questions myself, about saints.
We pray for each other to God. The way in which Catholics have prayed in my life is that they literally pray to Saints
Pray means to ask. They asked the Saints to pray for you, for themselves, for their families..etc. Now, some poorly catechized mexican peasants may not understand their own theology, sure. But that doesn't mean that is what the church teaches. Blaming Catholocism for the errors of struggling poor people in extremely difficult to live in countries is a really underhanded technique.
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The flaw in his argument about asking other people to pray for us is that he is equating the living with the dead. We are given strict instructions in the Bible to never attempt communication with the dead. There are no exceptions for those human beings granted sainthood to.
That's referring to necromancy, which is not what asking for a Saint's prayers on one's behalf is at all. Even Jesus appeared on Mt. Tabor with Moses and Elijah long after they were dead and gone. They are alive, aware, and active in Christ's Kingdom.
Those who fall asleep are not dead, but alive in Christ. Is Christ the god of the dead? Nonsense. He is the God of the Living.
Correct but its not an exception. Those who died on earth in Christ are alive in Christ. The damned though, ya they dead frfr lol
@georgerafa5041 even in the lives of Saints there are accounts of God transplanting those in torment into Paradise due to the fervent and sincere prayers for their soul from holy men and women. Emperor Trajan is said to be in Paradise after St.Pope St. Gregory the Great (6th century) prayed ceaselessly for his soul for 30 years, after which a vision of Christ came to him and informed him that Trajan was in torment no longer.
Every Serbian family have a saint protector, which we inherit and pass to our children and which feast day we celebrate once or twice a year. We believe that they intercede for us, through stormy and sunny days of our life, helping us to manage with whatever difficulty we may encounter. Even today, some people celebrate Saint Cosmas and Damian. Problem is, and I'm still talking about Serbians, when Saint George becomes a Dragonslayer, or Saint Nicholas Santa Clause, who we need once a year or in a certain moment for basic children's entertainment. It's started 100 years ago, with liberal and communistic ideas of our ancestors, when they overturned Christian values, finding them out of date because of there pride, not paying enough respect to Saints anymore, as God's servants that want to share there Divine energies and love with us... Conclusion: Saints are still pretty much open for us - if we want to participate and pray to God through them, nobody can take that from us... Thank you for your time and sorry for the long comment!
Something that intercedes INSTEAD of Christ, Is a demon.
You pray to demons AND also.your family, believing you pray to God 😢
Having Christ AND you guys decide to pray yo other spirits!
@javierherrera8782 You're a little confused... It's a long church tradition and it works... For example, if you go to St. Michael church, who is an Angel, you can pray to him in front of his icon so that he protect you from the demons etc., practically from bad thoughts, and there isn't any INSTEAD way of talking and praying to Him, while putting GOD on a side, let's say a bench... 21st Nov is St. Michael feast day by the old calendar! Church is a place where we gather to pray, to sing, to worship God, Holy Mother of God, Angels and Saints, but on 21st Nov we will have a special ceremony dedicated to Him, who fought against Satan and saved many Angels from falling into the darkness. That's all! P.S. It is not recommended to work any hard labor on that day - same thing for Sunday - it's a special day and Holiday!
We have Saints Because Of Jesus
The Saints devoted Their Entire lives in service of Christ and His Church!
They're are Our warriors and brothers and sisters!
They champion the cause of Christ and the Apostles!
YES... We need saints to show us that holiness is reachable by mortals who trust Jesus and follow His example. And more than that, it gives us a possible goal of becoming a saint (as we are all intended.}
St. Peter denied Christ. He denied his faith. He ignored his brothers. He needed the forgiveness of Jesus just like everyone else.
@jerrywarren7753 That's the point. He was a sinner, but went on to become a saint.
It was also St. Peter who ran to the tomb with St. John as soon as he heard what the women had seen there. He could of despaired like Judas, taken his own life or fled, but he did not. He ran to Christ.
And Jesus later instructed Him to feed His sheep and he did even until his brutal martyrdom.
He's a great example of no matter what you do wrong, run to Christ.
@@CheyanneTheWolf I am a saint. I became a saint upon salvation. These saints were no different than than the rest of mankind
@@fe3187 agreed but I won’t pray to him.
@@jerrywarren7753 aite i hope when you're really sick, you won't let anyone pray for you, cos you'd be a hypocrite.
And we all know what Jesus said about hypocrites, right?
Quite simply, it is helpful to "identify" with heroic figures in order to build your fortitude and character. As awkward this is to accept, it can be hard to "identity" with a 1st century lower-class carpenter. Through saints like Thérèse of Lisieux, or Francis of Assisi, or Elizabeth Ann Seton, or Thomas More, we have OTHER models to inspire us and still UNITE by, in and through Our Lord, Jesus Christ.
It may be helpful to consider that the mediation of Chirst is unique insofar as he is the only bridge between human and divine nature, that doesnt make him the only intercessor but rather the only bridge or connection point that allows for all other intercession to be possible.
Good point
I love the Saints, they are examples how we should live for Jesus Christ totally surrendering to the will of God.
I asked Tammy Peterson on UA-cam to pray for me and she replied “I’ll pray for you, Audrey” it was one of the best moments in my life!
Aren’t these anti-Catholic comments ridiculous? If only these people read and understood scripture in the light of sacred tradition…
@@theodore-gottlieb they are too busy enjoying the concert and bright lights when they go to worship, that they forget what the church fathers said in the early church.
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That statement is foolish. Physically speaking to someone and asking for prayer with your mouth (or a proxy such as a keyboard or pen and paper) is not equivalent to praying to a person to ask them for prayer. These are two completely different forms of prayer.
Don’t believe me? Go into your bedroom alone, close your eyes, fold your hands and pray to your living bishop or priest and ask him to pray to God on your behalf and ask God for something specific that the bishop or priest would not know about ahead of time… then go and ask the bishop or priest if he heard your prayer, and if so, ask him what it was and when he heard it. See what he says. This is where your false equivalency falls apart.
We are indeed saints in Christ, but we are not omniscient nor are we omnipresent - only God can claim such attributes.
I say this in love so that you might come to rely on Jesus completely, knowing that He is the sole mediator, and that as a child of God you can approach the Father with confidence being completely persuaded that His love for you is unfailing, and that Jesus is always there to intercede for you.
I will pray for you, and all who have been led astray by such lies.
@@ElectricBluJay Pray is old english for "to ask", when someone says to you, "can you pass me the TV remote", they just prayed to you.
This usage of the word is kept in the KJV Bible in the Old Testament. Bethsheba 'prays' to Soloman as an intercession of Adonijah.
1 kings 2:17 "And he [Adonijah] said, Speak, *I pray thee,* unto Solomon the king, for he will not say thee nay, that he give me Abishag the Shunammite to wife."
So in 1kings 2:17 Adonijah prays to Bethsheba, Soloman's Queen Mother, to interceeed to Solomon the King.
There is another good reason to declare saints. Jesus is a perfect example of who to be, but we still admire many people around us when we see how close they are to him, we start thinking "I wish I was at least as reverant of God as him, I'm lacking". Other people can be an example to us, and there are many personalities. Some intellectual people look up to saint Augustine or saint Thomas Aquinas, women look up to Mary, other more passionate people would look up to saint Peter. God is one, but we are many, and while there is one love, there are many ways to show that love, that's what all the different saints represent, to be good examples for us.
Actually, the Saints are extremely biblical the gospel start with the gospel of the different Saints, they have very powerful interception, and it is God‘s will for us to work directly with those that have already paid the price as Christ, people don’t understand this at all, but the intercession of the Saints it’s one of God‘s greatest blessings to us, and rememberthe traditions and the teachings of the Catholic Church. It was the only thing there was that brought you the Bible to begin with so they might know a little bit about it
Incredible, every single thing you said was wrong, truly remarkable
@@botsbass842 spoken like a true protestant
@@opplusllc is that supposed to be some sort of argument, papist?
Not a single word you just said is even remotely true.
“The gospels start with the gospel of the different saints” Do you mean the four books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
I think Jesus asked us to pray for each other because we're sometimes blind to what is harming us and what we need to help us, that's why we have priests who can pray for us
In 1 Peter all believers are priests. Therefore all priests have the ability to pray for (not to) each other. And we pray to our high priest, Jesus.
As a pastor, I love reading about the “Saints”. They are amazing stories of men that chose Jesus above all else.
They are inspiring stories that challenge me to live up to the faith I profess.
But that’s it.
What makes them important to me is that they are just normal people that made extraordinary choices.
Their ordinariness is the hope I receive… because it means that in Christ I too can make extraordinary choices for Jesus in my life.
To elevate them beyond that is unbiblical and unhelpful to my walk with the Lord.
There's female saints
Unfortunately, for your comment; it cannot be unbiblical as it is in scripture, as well as the scriptures were put together by the traditions that preceded them. In fact, to say it would be unbiblical after both tradition and in fact, scripture, presents it - would be similar as to say that Christ's ministry wasn't perfect and in fact he failed to still give us teachings.
Orthodoxy follows the Bible and Tradition.
Ok, but again, who is the authority who compiled the Bible?
Saints and Intercession are biblical, to say otherwise is simply wrong. I will pray for you, so you receive training to better lead your congregation. Here are just a few biblical references for you to start with: "With every prayer and request, pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, [c]be alert with all perseverance and every request for all the saints," (Ephesians 6:18). "Now I urge you, brothers and sisters, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me," (Romans 15:30). "for they cannot even die anymore, for they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection." (Luke 20:36). “See that you do not look down on one of these little ones; for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 18:10).
Jonny boy is amazing
A lot of Protestants not realizing Protestant is missing so much of the tradition in these comments.
Better to lose traditions than than losing The Way, The Truth, The Life. Look at the book Hebrews. Study it.
@@MyLanguageShopProtestants have no right to study the Bible if they are using interpretations that were made up in the 80s. You need to look into the original way Christians believed. Your Protestant mindset is the effect of many split offs in the Christianity of people trying to interpret things the way they want
@@MyLanguageShop how do you know what books of the Bible are inspired? Martin Luther wanted to remove 6 of the books that are currently recognized even by Protestants today, including James. How do you know that those books are legit?
They will come learn the Apostolic Traditions, in due time
We are not blind. We don't pray to dead people. We don't need more than the Trinity. Icons and halos won't save you.
Prayer in general is uplifting. Praying for our brothers is uplifting to the one praying, and potentially uplifting to the one being prayed for. Don't worry about invoking a low probability miracle from God. Instead, focus on the cultivation of directing energy in a positive, uplifting direction. Praying to a Saint might be helpful if you have significant belief that you are being heard and bolstered. Communal prayer is about creating a certain type of intentional climate in unity.
Most, if not all, Saints prayed to Saints.
You do not have a biblical definition of Saint. Who did Paul say the saints were?
@@matthewm7487 there are multiple definitions of saint, and there is not only one valid one. Sola Scriptura is a false doctrine.
@@FreshPelmeni I don't doubt that there are multiple definitions, but there is one biblical one. Praying to saints is necromancy. The early church, not unlike the Israelites throughout history, was prone to idolatry. Those Roman pagan roots are hard to abandon. Fortunately God used the RCC as a vessel to preserve the gospel until believers could read for themselves and the reformation happened.
@@matthewm7487Word-concept fallacy. Your assertion that God used a false Church to preserve the gospel is quasi blasphemy.
@@matthewm7487
1. The Bible is not the exclusive source of the definition of words, let alone Christian concepts. There is no contradiction between saying that the whole body of Christ are saints, and from saying specific unique individuals are saints in a different sense (being particularly holy).
2. Praying to saints is not necromancy and in fact comes from its Jewish heritage.
3. The great apostasy narrative of Protestantism is simply historically and logically false. Early Christians were not Protestant in character and likewise the only way you can have a biblical canon is from tradition. However, you then arbitrarily decide to mistrust the tradition when you don't like it. If no tradition is of normative, infallible authority, then the Scriptures themselves cannot be trusted. This is also ignoring the fact that you don't even use the canon the early Christians used.
Yes! We should be going directly to Jesus. We don’t need dead saints…The living pray for each other and we are not to worship anyone other than God.
God is the God of the living, not the dead. The saints in heaven are not dead, they are alive in Christ. You absolutely should bring your requests to Jesus directly. But there's nothing wrong with asking our brothers and sisters in Christ to pray for us as well, regardless of where they are. "Pray" simply means to make a request. If I ask you to pray for me, I'm praying to you to pray for me. Prayer and worship are not the same thing.
@@mrjkstark How are they alive? Nobody from them resurrected from the dead. They are in Heaven, but they are not angels. They don't know what is happening on Earth, they don't hear prayers. Only Jesus Christ is alive and hears our prayers. We should ONLY follow Him, since He is the only way to heaven.
God is the creator. He creates and takes life, not the saints.
@@NikolaosCharitidis
Literally everything you said is contrary to Scripture.
@@acekoala457 could you elaborate at least instead of just claiming it?
Saints are never mentioned in the scripture, what about it?
A holy Russian monk, Silouan when, explained it like this: "Once upon a time I did not understand how it was that the holy inhabitants of heaven could see our lives, but… I realize that they see us in the holy spirit and know our entire lives… In the kingdom of heaven the holy saints look upon the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ; but through the Holy Spirit they see to the suffering of man on earth. "
It is through their intimate union of God that the Saints see us, hear us, and no worse. Jesus showed that the departed can be aware of events on earth when he asserted “Your forefather Abraham was extremely happy at the hope and prospect of seeing My day (My incarnation); and he did see it and was delighted. [Heb. 11:13.]”
John 8:56
Saints can see us through the Holy Spirit the same way we can hear God. It's not a one way street. All Glory belongs to Christ. We don't bypass or give Saints Credit, but we do remember them to honor them.
There is only one mediator between man and God and that is Christ Jesus the Son of the living God. This is biblical no one else can interceed on our behalf.
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Jesus alone is out mediator, but as we {saints) are united to God through Jesus, are we not then participants in the prayer and redemption God intends?
Have you ever asked your mother to pray for you?
Only one mediator, but many can pray FOR others.
Interceding is not mediating, you're mixing two different terms. And I'm saying that as someone who does pray to the saints.
"It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me." St. Paul said. To pray to a Saint IS to pray to the Lord. They are part of His church in Heaven, and " The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." Asking for a saint's intercession is an act of humility and acknowledgement of God's immortal power on Earth and Heaven. That He can truly save us and work through us all. His Kingdom and its citizens shine with His grace and it is no sin to appeal to them.
In fact, to ignore, subvert or deny the saints is to deny Him. You can and should confess and pray to Christ. But when one prays to a saint, one shows humility and faith that the Lord's grace abounds in the righteous who live in Him. Praying to a saint acknowledges His salvation. And it's a sign that you know that you need all the help you can get.
Besides...God is not so easy to believe in and adhere to as Protestants and non-believers think. To quote Mikhaila's father, "How dare you say you believe in God?" His ways are not our ways. To live them is nearly impossible, and we turn from Him everyday. To suggest you know Christ well enough (or the Bible well enough) to lean only on your understanding of Him is prideful, and the proof is in the pudding: you are TERRIBLE at it. "Lean not on your own understanding." This is why we need the Church and the saints. They are gifts. These are ways of Christ to weight things in our favor and keep us on the path when we forget Him. They do not take from Him or distract from Him. They glorify and illuminate His ways to our fallen and wayward hearts.
I’m chuckling watching this. Milkhaila is a new Christian, but she is asking the right questions. And her instincts are correct, we don’t interact with Saints, only the Lord Jesus and God our Father. No doubt to me she is saved. I pray God continues to guide her.
By what normative authority do you know this to be true?
All we should do as the body of christ is to point someone's focus more close to christ and the father and the holy spirit. Yes we are mirrors for God's love and reflections of christ in the world but ultimately we are to push eachother closer to not seeing his mirror but christ himself. I've always viewed it as I'm asking my fellow believers who know me to pray for me because it allows us to not only come together to christ in one voice, but it builds our relationships and love here on earth as well. As much as orthodox hangs on the view of this topic as the saints aren't dead, the fact remains that they are out of the physical body. They can no longer grow in love and relationships. 2 Corinthians chapter 5 tells us that to be out of the body is to be with the lord. The Saints are not omniscient, nor omnipresent. How do they hear your prayers? If they can, then when multiple people are praying to the same saint at the same time, how can they understand all the people at the same time? We pray to christ because he is God made flesh.
all believers are saints and we have Jesus
100%
-And God doesn't want anyone praying to US when we die.
@@pinoygal6232 Matthew 22:32: "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living"
Protestants have a fundamental misunderstanding of the gospel (A natural consequence of the fact that any Joe Schmo that can read can proclaim to be an expert and be their own authority or even a ''pastor''), which is why those false protestant gospels (and there are thousands of different ones) did not exist for the first 1500 years of Christianity...
@@ManuelPalaiologos-sf3efhuh
No, they are not. Satan believes! Remember? Saints have supernatural holiness that the average Christian never attains. You can read about them. Then you will see the difference.
@@AuntBee185 Satan DOES NOT believe unto repentance. Faith and belief are two different things. The Born-Again have both and the imparted righteousness of Christ, (though we still struggle in the flesh).
No-one in the Bible or outside of scripture has "Super-Natural Holiness" other than Christ. Not even the New Testament Apostles, Abraham, David, Solomon, or anyone else who ever lived. To believe otherwise IS NOT scriptural.
How many Bible studies have you seen at the RCC or Anglican Church?
I know all who are being saved will be one in the end, but I sure would love to see the Orthodox and Catholics achieve this in this lifetime. Not likely, but still.
All the Angels and the Saints, pray for us. Amen. Ave Maria.
Ok so my position has always been that…
James 5:16 says, "Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful (and who is more righteous than the unblemished in heaven who have been cleansed by Jesus (saints))
As a result of this your prayers as a sinner here on earth as not as effective as the prayers of the saints.
This will be taken down quickly.
Jesus said he was the branch believers were vines you can do nothing with out him. If you are a Repentant Christian following Jesus you are a Saint. The Catholic church started the qualifying of saints. it is not biblical. you don't have to wait till you die have three miracles preformed in your name and the a group of men make you a saint. And Remember what Jesus said He is the only way to the Father, no one else, no saints or Mary gets you to the Father. If you pray to a saint you are praying to the dead and also you are guilty of Idolatry. There are leaders in the church, Bishops and Deacons and minister's but not saint's or a Pope. Always take it to Jesus, he will make it plain.
You are correct that repentant Christians following Christ are saints. However, but we cannot assume that this is always the case for us. What I mean is:
1) We could lose your faith in Christ tomorrow and die afterwards outside the faith. In this scenario we are not a saint.
2) We could stop repenting and start living in sins and passions unto death without repentance. In this scenario we are not a saint either.
Because of these two possibilites, this is why Sainthood is emphasised after someone has passed away, because then it's final whether the person was actually a repentant Christian; following Jesus.
If they are shown after their death to be a true follower of Christ; then as Paul says, they are rulers with Christ, "joint heirs with Christ" (Romans 8:17) and therefore also "sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus," Ephesians 2:6. True saints are alive in Christ and rule with Him, this is why "we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses," Hebrews 12:1 as paul says.
Saints are physical, living examples of the Gospel in their lives, and thus, we should praise them as such.
Christ is at the Top of the Mountain, His mother slightly lower, then St John the Baptist, then all the saints of the Old & New covenant.
Christ is the mediator at the top of the mountain, but the Saints act as intercessors, bringing us up to Christ through their lived examples of the Gospel.
Saint Paul is a good example of the Gospel lived out for evangelism, St Peter is a good example of the Gospel lived out with zeal, Mary the Mother of God is the Gospel lived out as an example of Motherhood, all of these are ways the Gospel brings one to Christ, because it is "Christ in them" (Galatians 2:20) that is honoured and makes them alive.
@@olubunmiolumuyiwa There are so many scriptures taken out of context there's to many to go through here. Sainthood is only for the repentant sinner following Christ. If they return to their unrepentant state they are not still a saint, simple. There is no dogpile of saints, including Mary. It is so simple. Saint's are all repentant sinner's as long as they walk the walk with Jesus every day. Deliberately returning into the sinful life, into which scripture goes into detail about, you are lost, sainthood has nothing to do with it. Sainthood is a title of the repentant believer only. not a position that a group of men and a list of miracles qualify a person for. This is not a complicated subject. The name Priesthood, Christian, Saint are all titles of people that stop a life of sin confessing Jesus to others following his commandments, waiting on Jesus' return, whether in death or Jesus' coming. this is simple. Making Idols of the living and the dead is idolatry plain and simple. also like I stated earlier talking or praying to the dead is sinful and ridiculous in practice.
Each Saints have unique way to love and become one with Jesus..
We are called tobe Holy and the Saints are real examples
Let's Learnt from The Saints!
I pray to St. Therese of Lisieux nightly! 😊
Mediation and intercession are not the same thing
Jesus is sufficient. He is 100% we need for salvation. No saints, not his mother, no one - JUST Jesus. May you be blessed by the Lord beyond measure.
Uhm, do you guys forget the wedding of Canna? Just curious because Mary's intercession was actually what began Christ's ministry. No one says Jesus isn't 100% our salvation. We just happen to know that the favored ones that God loves so much, can pray for her when we need help. I would trust a virtuous and only saint in Heaven, then my local Protestant pastor.
so many lost protestant...
Then why do you guys do Martin Luther day or have favourite protestant martyrs and pastors and speakers…..
@@TheRagingheat05 IF you pray to another, you are of another faith, not Christianity.
@@pinoygal6232 i notice you made multiple post with this same comment not realizing not once did anyone use the statement "pray TO another" except you? cause i'm only reading people saying "pray FOR"
It's very possible that the saints of the pass were seeking Jesus in the Holy scripture with fasting and prayer and not other saints,
Christian are the saints, does anyone read the Bible?
Saints mean virtuous and holy person that stands in Heaven. Christians can become saints, we are not saints by default.
Roman Catholics Don't
@@pinoygal6232 too bad it was literally compiled, written, and taught by the Catholic Christian church.
We need to believe in Jesus, our ancestors to protect us, ourselves, angels, saints, a holy ghost, which is a lot...just have faith in God.
Biblical usage of the word "saints" is always plural, and is applied to those who are a part of the body of Christ here on Earth. It was never used in the singular in the Bible, or used as a title for one special person. WE are the saints, those who faithfully trust and abide in Christ.
In Hebrews, they are referred to as "a great cloud of witnesses"
But I believe in one mediator, our Righteous Messiah. I pray to the Father and ask by Jesus' name, or say by the merit of Yeshua.
Yes, and the Bible speaks about the Church but doesn’t ever, not once speaks of Protestants, or Baptists, or Non-denominational, etc. Does that mean we shouldn’t use those words? The Bible’s does speak about righteousness and virtues and faithfulness and keeping Christ’s commandments to love, and about people who do this more, right? Those who are considered to be Saints in traditional apostolic Christian language are people whom others recognized as having attained an exceptional degree of righteousness, virtue and fidelity to Christ. Christians today should have no problem with the word Saint, or with honoring those followers of Jesus to this day who have become inspirations due to their being very Christ-like… as He calls us all to become.
That's weird the saints in Revelation seem to be around a heavenly altar, the heavenly throne of God and the Lamb from which flows rivers of living water (Holy Spirit). But I guess that's just earthly saints.
It gets worse for you though because the greek word that's translated "saints" is hagios - meaning Holy, sacred, set aside, *worthy of veneration*
Protestantism led to wokeism: 'no authority, MY TRUTH'. The Bible is catholic.
We must not forget that there is a concept of "greater" and "lesser" in the kingdom of heaven.
The Orthodox Church has always been a matter of community. And this is manifested in the veneration of saints, attitude towards fasting, prayer, making decisions, recommendations, and what is most important in the Holy Liturgy.We all do it together😊
As long as you're not praying to any saints it's still biblical, but they were flawed like every other human. The only one ever sinless was Jesus, that's why we're supposed to praising & following him and no other.
@@DraQinnpraying doesn’t mean worship, the west has dumbed down Christianity so much that all these things that the original Christians did for over a thousand years seems foreign to all of you Protestants. Luckily this is only mostly a problem in the US.
@@DraQinn Protestantism led to wokeism: 'no authority, MY TRUTH'. The Bible is catholic.
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The Saints are made perfect in Heaven according to Scripture.