Flashback, my granddad had that same tractor, spent many hours on it as a boy. It was used for digging, discing, plowing and even had loader attachment. I remember it being very reliable tractor during the 60s. Nice to see one running. Enjoyed your video
The MD diesel I remember had the change over lever up by the steering wheel. The tractor was easy to start on gasoline on a cold morning. Switching over to diesel was the same. Move the handle to diesel run position. The tractor had no power on gasoline. It was only used for starting.
The TD crawlers diesel engine started the same way they started on gas and you switched them to diesel and that was all the way up through. I think TD 16 possibly could’ve been even TD 20s.
Old IH dozers had the same design,that was before they had starters that were powerful enough to start a diesel engine. On the same subject Mercury marine had a 2 stroke diesel outboard that had spark plugs. It was strictly for Military and Coast Guard use.
Always return your decompression lever to diesel so the starting valves don’t warp. On the injection pump your best bet is send it to central fuel injection in Iowa. If you’re wanting a bigger tractor I’ve got a 706 and a 560 I’d sell in southern Indiana.
Totally agree, especially after working the tractor. Important to park it in the diesel position after shutdown. Also agree 100% about the injection pump. I'd send it to Iowa and do everything else myself.
I was CO of a Loran Sta in the Pacific, we had four gensets for station power exactly like these. We ran two at a time, one powered the electronics, the other the station electronic load. If we had a failure on the electronics side the duty petty officer would switch load to the hotel side leaving us in the dark. That done he'd start one of the reserve sets to pick up the rest of the load. These ran 24/7 and most sets had accumulated about 50,000 hours (and many overhauls). The hotel load had grown over the years and was close to 100% capacity and it was really hot there. Diesel cost about $0.08 in those happy days.
Cool video. Still looking forward to the 2001 loader install on 450. Got my bucket tilt cly back on after $ 400 dollar rebuild and yes it still leaks. Just not as bad.
In the mid 60s,, I was a m,echanic in the Army Corp of Engineers,, There were quite a number pieces of Construction Equip that had IH Gasoline- Diesel conversion Engines, The "conversion" lever did 4 things; First thing it opened a decompression valve in the Head over the Combustion chamber.... 2nd opened a valve in the intake for the Carburator... 3rd bypassed air intake for diesel side of intake..... 4th activated ignition system Biggest Dozer was a TD 24 6 cylinder twin exhaust stacks, 6 forwards 6 reverse........ We operated a TD 20 45 days in the field in Germany with no starter.... Cable Blade, parked it on Boards with blade raised to prevent freezing to ground, used 5 Ton Dump Truck to push to push it backwards firing up on gas... convert to Diesel,,, every time..... They were replaced by D7E Cats
It was very common, John deer built one single piston tractor that ran on gas or diesel. Normally my neighbor started his with gas and switched it to kerosene. We called it old pop and snort. I rebuilt it for. My friend in 1966, the year before I went on vacation in the air force.
Back in that era Allis Chalmers (Buda engine) had the only diesel engine that started with electric starter and started and ran on diesel just like they do today. My Dad had a ‘55 Allis Chalmers WD-45 diesel and pulled a 4x14” moldboard plow with it.
I would like to see You do a Segment on the Farmall 350 Diesel. This is the only IH Tractor in this Era that started and ran totally on Diesel, no glow Plugs. No starting on gas and switching to Diesel. That Engine is Manufactured by Continental and was available only in the 350.
Early Ferguson TE20 started on petrol and Fordson N the same. They then switched to kerosene. In post WW2 UK they used what was known as TVO as diesel was not in abundance. I THINK.!!!
Those were "distillate" engines, not diesels. Basically extra-low compression spark engines ment to run on light refinery waste kerosene, partly because the good high octane products were going into automotive and airplane gas but also because gasoline had extra highway taxes so tvo/kerosene/distilliate was kind of like off-highway red diesel fuel but for spark engines. That sort of cheap distillate fuel has not been widely availible in over half a century. Modern refineries have catalytic processes to convert what used to be waste into more desirable products and most of the kerosene cut goes into Jet-A. Kerosene and Jet-A are reasonable substitutes for testing a restoration, but not convienient or economical, so for parades and such just run them in gasoline mode and find a source of non-ethanol, it does less damage to the old fuel systems and has a somewhat longer shelf life.(Low power operation keeping the exhaust valve cool is fine, but I wouldn't do a day of hard plowing with unleaded.) Anyway distillate engines were very fuel-inefficient due to the low compression and poor vaporization, and you had to do ¼ of an oil change after a full day of work because so much unburned fuel washed down past the rings to dilute the oil. The Farmalls had a couple petcocks on the side of the oilpan for this partial drain and fill. (Basic straight-grade lube oil was also cheap back then.) ua-cam.com/video/1d3qvzTwNds/v-deo.htmlsi=M5iaufqkGXuaWMI5
Consider the history, a Man name was Diesel built an enf to run on coal dust. , so yes all Diesels have always been capable of running on different fuels, today's. Diesels in large ships, the prime engine runs on coke, a hard substance trash from crude oil
I call bullshit. They run on oil, chum. University of Pennsylvania spent a million bucks in 1955 trying to run a diesel on powdered fuels of all kinds. The powder seizes the piston rings in place very quickly.
Yes large ships are in effect one stroke diesels and run on fuel oil which is one step down from diesel in the distillation tower , it's a big still , heat crude oil at the bottom ant the higher up the tower you go the thinner you get , LPG at the top , fuel oil at the bottom ,
Story I heard was his first diesel engine to run on coal dust exploded. More interesting is how Rudolf Diesel died, mysterious circumstances at sea, some people say he was assassinated
Don't be crying over missing out on a 460 Farmall, if it was a gasoline model, there isn't anything special about them, the diesel 460 on the other hand is a valuable attractor and useful
@@bourbonbeertractorsandprep9335,,, 560 gas tractors are great. Diesel ones are fine too and slightly more powerful, but you do have to mess with them glow-plugs from time to time ,, a bit of a nuisance
Part of the deal was it had a complicated cylinder head casting. Each cylinder had a 3rd port (second intake port) connected to the carb and that port had it's own combustion chamber with a spark plug in it. When switched to diesel yet a fourth poppet valve (hand-operated) closed off that area and the compression was normal for a diesel. Did I explain that well enough?
The compression is 6.5 :1 when starting/running on gas. When you switch to diesel the compression jumps to 16.5 :1. That same lever also cuts the flow of gas when switching to diesel (among other things). They are very cool.
No , when started on petrol the lever controlled the third valve in the cyl head , and diesel supply, the 3rd valve in the cyl head is opened to lower the compression ratio allowing the engine to run on petrol , the inlet manifold has restricted ports allowing the engine to run at approx 200 , when the lever is operated the third valve is closed increasing the compression and allowing it to run on diesel
much easier to start a gas engine than a diesel engine electrically speaking. mostly a complex starter system to start a diesel engine that only runs on diesel fuel. this engine does no work using the gasoline.
Exactly. Later they figured that this system was no good for really high power engines because after shutdown the complicated cylinder head casting would heat-crack.
Technically that is not a true diesel engine! As a true diesel hasn’t got spark plugs or glow plugs, as they had an intake heater that would preheat the air to improve combustion on a cold start. Which was often heated by the gasoline pony engine’s exhaust running through the diesel intake manifold. What you have is more closely related to a multi fuel engine, or would be considered by todays standards as a multi fuel engine which usually run’s better on diesel then on gasoline which is evident when you flip over to diesel. Thus not a true diesel, as multi fuel engines do use spark plugs.
I believe you are not understanding ! This is a diesel , no doubt , simply starts on a decompression petrol side and switches over to diesel when warmed up , no petrol exhaust into diesel intake it's one motor exhaust goes out same valves as petrol , spark plugs in same cylinder head as injectors , and by the way that tractor does not have glow plugs at all , that's what the petrol start removes the need for , it warms up the cylinder , and I'd be saying those spark plug tips would be red hot on diesel compression running !
The internal head design on these with the gas/diesel was really interesting to see
Flashback, my granddad had that same tractor, spent many hours on it as a boy. It was used for digging, discing, plowing and even had loader attachment. I remember it being very reliable tractor during the 60s. Nice to see one running. Enjoyed your video
In 1935 McCormick Deering WD-40 was the first diesel wheel type tractor for IH that had this design. Many years ago I had a 51 Farmall MD
Took the TD40 engine and slapped it into a wheel tractor haha simple time, did the same with taking the TD6 engine and creating the MD
Very cool, best of luck with that old horse. I have one, has been in the family since 1979. I hear you, parts are spendy. But I love them.
Yeah they are pricey but definitely worth every penny to keep them running!
The International TD24 had a gas start diesel. The gas start had a compression release that disengaged the injector pump.
Those were great to have here in Canada in the winter in extreme cold temps, they would start a lot easier…..CHEERS
My brother still uses the MD for haying.
The MD diesel I remember had the change over lever up by the steering wheel. The tractor was easy to start on gasoline on a cold morning. Switching over to diesel was the same. Move the handle to diesel run position. The tractor had no power on gasoline. It was only used for starting.
We had a WD9 that started on gas. You let it warm up and pushed the lever ahead and it was running on diesel. You also had to open the throttle
The TD crawlers diesel engine started the same way they started on gas and you switched them to diesel and that was all the way up through. I think TD 16 possibly could’ve been even TD 20s.
Old IH dozers had the same design,that was before they had starters that were powerful enough to start a diesel engine. On the same subject Mercury marine had a 2 stroke diesel outboard that had spark plugs. It was strictly for Military and Coast Guard use.
My dad’s second tractor he bought was I.H. 450 diesel. For its size pulled 4 bottom plow with ease. Only drawback was the cylinder heads would crack.
got to run them on gas before shut down tol let them cool down for5 to 10 minutes i have a super MD
Always return your decompression lever to diesel so the starting valves don’t warp. On the injection pump your best bet is send it to central fuel injection in Iowa. If you’re wanting a bigger tractor I’ve got a 706 and a 560 I’d sell in southern Indiana.
Never ever did that with my W450
Totally agree, especially after working the tractor. Important to park it in the diesel position after shutdown. Also agree 100% about the injection pump. I'd send it to Iowa and do everything else myself.
I was CO of a Loran Sta in the Pacific, we had four gensets for station power exactly like these. We ran two at a time, one powered the electronics, the other the station electronic load. If we had a failure on the electronics side the duty petty officer would switch load to the hotel side leaving us in the dark. That done he'd start one of the reserve sets to pick up the rest of the load. These ran 24/7 and most sets had accumulated about 50,000 hours (and many overhauls). The hotel load had grown over the years and was close to 100% capacity and it was really hot there. Diesel cost about $0.08 in those happy days.
My grandpa had a wide front 450d loved that tractor
Cool video. Still looking forward to the 2001 loader install on 450. Got my bucket tilt cly back on after $ 400 dollar rebuild and yes it still leaks. Just not as bad.
Thats interesting, I never knew there was a gas/diesel combo. Great video and hope you have a blessed rest of the day and week ahead.
Your very welcome, thank you for watching!
In the mid 60s,, I was a m,echanic in the Army Corp of Engineers,, There were quite a number pieces of Construction Equip that had IH Gasoline- Diesel conversion Engines, The "conversion" lever did 4 things; First thing it opened a decompression valve in the Head over the Combustion chamber.... 2nd opened a valve in the intake for the Carburator... 3rd bypassed air intake for diesel side of intake..... 4th activated ignition system Biggest Dozer was a TD 24 6 cylinder twin exhaust stacks, 6 forwards 6 reverse........ We operated a TD 20 45 days in the field in Germany with no starter.... Cable Blade, parked it on Boards with blade raised to prevent freezing to ground, used 5 Ton Dump Truck to push to push it backwards firing up on gas... convert to Diesel,,, every time..... They were replaced by D7E Cats
It was very common, John deer built one single piston tractor that ran on gas or diesel. Normally my neighbor started his with gas and switched it to kerosene. We called it old pop and snort. I rebuilt it for. My friend in 1966, the year before I went on vacation in the air force.
Back in that era Allis Chalmers (Buda engine) had the only diesel engine that started with electric starter and started and ran on diesel just like they do today. My Dad had a ‘55 Allis Chalmers WD-45 diesel and pulled a 4x14” moldboard plow with it.
Sandy ground it mite pull 4/14 3 inches deep
@@ThomasGuy-r8p no. This was EC Illinois black dirt.
Running on gasoline warms the engine so that diesel will fire easier. It is not a pony motor. Great system especially in cold climates.
That’s very cool. I thought this system was just on the big dozers. Cool to see it on a tractor you can regularly use
I believe all the old International diesel wheel tractors and crawlers started on gas then switched over to diesel.
IH crawlers TD6, TD-9 , TD 14 also started on gas .
I would like to see You do a Segment on the Farmall 350 Diesel. This is the only IH Tractor in this Era that started and ran totally on Diesel, no glow Plugs. No starting on gas and switching to Diesel. That Engine is Manufactured by Continental and was available only in the 350.
Early Ferguson TE20 started on petrol and Fordson N the same. They then switched to kerosene. In post WW2 UK they used what was known as TVO as diesel was not in abundance. I THINK.!!!
Thanks for the info!
Those were "distillate" engines, not diesels. Basically extra-low compression spark engines ment to run on light refinery waste kerosene, partly because the good high octane products were going into automotive and airplane gas but also because gasoline had extra highway taxes so tvo/kerosene/distilliate was kind of like off-highway red diesel fuel but for spark engines. That sort of cheap distillate fuel has not been widely availible in over half a century. Modern refineries have catalytic processes to convert what used to be waste into more desirable products and most of the kerosene cut goes into Jet-A. Kerosene and Jet-A are reasonable substitutes for testing a restoration, but not convienient or economical, so for parades and such just run them in gasoline mode and find a source of non-ethanol, it does less damage to the old fuel systems and has a somewhat longer shelf life.(Low power operation keeping the exhaust valve cool is fine, but I wouldn't do a day of hard plowing with unleaded.)
Anyway distillate engines were very fuel-inefficient due to the low compression and poor vaporization, and you had to do ¼ of an oil change after a full day of work because so much unburned fuel washed down past the rings to dilute the oil. The Farmalls had a couple petcocks on the side of the oilpan for this partial drain and fill. (Basic straight-grade lube oil was also cheap back then.) ua-cam.com/video/1d3qvzTwNds/v-deo.htmlsi=M5iaufqkGXuaWMI5
very interesting video. I had no idea. Well presented!
Wow that is one sweet tractor
heve you an idea of the compression ration of that engine ?surely not 15:1 or higher.
They are a few M with that motor but they are rare and tb6 and td9 dozer has the same motor and that is a Bosch system
Is the pump designed like a Bosch style or Rosa Master type ? Looks like a Bosch style from the picture with the IH logo on it.
I.H. pump
Awesome video as usual!
My son's TD6 is the same way.
we had a road grader that was the way
Also WD6 WD9
They DO when it Starts Gas like the Old TD SERIES Crawlers.
John Deere had the same thing early on.
Consider the history, a Man name was Diesel built an enf to run on coal dust. , so yes all Diesels have always been capable of running on different fuels, today's. Diesels in large ships, the prime engine runs on coke, a hard substance trash from crude oil
I call bullshit. They run on oil, chum. University of Pennsylvania spent a million bucks in 1955 trying to run a diesel on powdered fuels of all kinds. The powder seizes the piston rings in place very quickly.
Yes large ships are in effect one stroke diesels and run on fuel oil which is one step down from diesel in the distillation tower , it's a big still , heat crude oil at the bottom ant the higher up the tower you go the thinner you get , LPG at the top , fuel oil at the bottom ,
Story I heard was his first diesel engine to run on coal dust exploded. More interesting is how Rudolf Diesel died, mysterious circumstances at sea, some people say he was assassinated
I'd not seen that before. So complex. Cat with the pony engine seems simpler to me.
Interesting, in my area in the Northeast, gas is cheaper than deisel.
They thought they were getting ahead of the pony motors. What a wrong move.
I grew up with a WD6
Don't be crying over missing out on a 460 Farmall, if it was a gasoline model, there isn't anything special about them,
the diesel 460 on the other hand is a valuable attractor and useful
LoL nope no crying, it was just a great price! Im actually possibly working out something on a 560 Diesel! 🤞
@@bourbonbeertractorsandprep9335,,, 560 gas tractors are great. Diesel ones are fine too and slightly more powerful, but you do have to mess with them glow-plugs from time to time ,, a bit of a nuisance
@@theda850two LOL
That is one strange engine. Must be pretty low compression ratio to run off gas.
Part of the deal was it had a complicated cylinder head casting. Each cylinder had a 3rd port (second intake port) connected to the carb and that port had it's own combustion chamber with a spark plug in it. When switched to diesel yet a fourth poppet valve (hand-operated) closed off that area and the compression was normal for a diesel. Did I explain that well enough?
That is extraordinary, I am completely fascinated by this engine now
The compression is 6.5 :1 when starting/running on gas. When you switch to diesel the compression jumps to 16.5 :1. That same lever also cuts the flow of gas when switching to diesel (among other things). They are very cool.
You forgot to mention the 650 Deisel
hope you got a lot of money
even i knew about them..... soo ill take one lol
Diesel engine with internal pony motor ;)
No , when started on petrol the lever controlled the third valve in the cyl head , and diesel supply, the 3rd valve in the cyl head is opened to lower the compression ratio allowing the engine to run on petrol , the inlet manifold has restricted ports allowing the engine to run at approx 200 , when the lever is operated the third valve is closed increasing the compression and allowing it to run on diesel
Nice video
Thanks!
W😂e had a WD-9 50 years ago. Started on gas and steered like a pig.
much easier to start a gas engine than a diesel engine electrically speaking. mostly a complex starter system to start a diesel engine that only runs on diesel fuel. this engine does no work using the gasoline.
Dad had a 450 diesel. Counterfeit pos.
what was the purpose of showing a miss painted A Farmall and saying a diesel with spark plugs?
Because its my channel and my tractors!
It acts just like a pony motor for the bigger diesel engines
😁👍👍👍
Sort of an intrgrated "pony motor" system.
Exactly. Later they figured that this system was no good for really high power engines because after shutdown the complicated cylinder head casting would heat-crack.
a pony motor and diesel together
Technically that is not a true diesel engine! As a true diesel hasn’t got spark plugs or glow plugs, as they had an intake heater that would preheat the air to improve combustion on a cold start. Which was often heated by the gasoline pony engine’s exhaust running through the diesel intake manifold. What you have is more closely related to a multi fuel engine, or would be considered by todays standards as a multi fuel engine which usually run’s better on diesel then on gasoline which is evident when you flip over to diesel. Thus not a true diesel, as multi fuel engines do use spark plugs.
I believe you are not understanding ! This is a diesel , no doubt , simply starts on a decompression petrol side and switches over to diesel when warmed up , no petrol exhaust into diesel intake it's one motor exhaust goes out same valves as petrol , spark plugs in same cylinder head as injectors , and by the way that tractor does not have glow plugs at all , that's what the petrol start removes the need for , it warms up the cylinder , and I'd be saying those spark plug tips would be red hot on diesel compression running !