Blood Lance Necro is Basically Immortal in the Pit... But It Has Problems | Season 4 Build Guide
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00:00 Tier 100 Gameplay
01:07 Skill Tree
03:17 Gear and Aspects
09:21 Book of the Dead
09:42 Paragon
11:48 What Else Did I Try?
16:02 My Issues With the Build
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Thnx for the build, Mac.
Since season 1 this has been my favorite build. Looking forward to S5. Thanks for the content!
Good work sir Ty
I ran a blood lance build last season with Sparr, and the unique chest piece for lance. Those seemed to get really good damage and got around 20mil overpower.
When I did that I didn't use the unique amulet, but rather one with ranks in the overpower passive which doubles when healthy.
Most items were not uniques to make use of all the lance aspects available and can't remember if I had the sacrifice aspect also.
Have you tried combos like that?
Quality content! Might make this HC.
I am doing PIT 117 with my own version of blood lance spaming blood waves (tripple waves + aspect to reduce its cd and a lot of CDR on equipments). Pit 101 cleared in 4 mins at best.
I will share a build planner and a video of the build in actions.
I really don't like banished lord I think that it doesn't fit into the build. You loose ranks for tides of blood and coalescent blood + a good other stat, and aspects on the build are so important.
I don't use grasping veines at all.
The true MVP of the build is blood seeker aspect, I hit 150M on packs of mobs like crazy, for the pit with huge packs and monsters with a lot of life it is a build changer.
I tried starless skies, it is good but I prefer a normal ring, loosing too much attack speed.
I tried doombringer, it is ok tier but no the best version for damage output, but good survivability. Maybe it is better when all pieces of gear have GA on life everywhere.
I just bought druids boots (without the druid requierement) that give me 220 willpowers. I am sitting on 820 willpowers atm. I tried to make a druid to enchant my stuff and it seems that you can roll willpowers on it. I rolled a +% willpower on a necro amulet with the druid and could equip it after back on my necro. It is my next goal to try to scale willpower the most i can using this trick.
I am also using Mutilator plate for the 20% damage scaling + lots of fortify generation.
Very cool, how do you crit cap without grasping? GA's and mw crits?
@@MacroBioBoi I am not yet crit capped. I have 75% I think (can't recheck cause the game is down). My focus has tripple masterwork on the crit chance, and i have 10% on gloves and 8.5 on a ring i think.
I use the +10% crit when leaving blood Mist. I can have 100% when I put sacrificial on amulet, but atm I prefer blood seeker aspect on amulet. That aspect is really really good. Even for boss fight it is a good damage multiplier.
I may switch to sacrificial on amulet when I will have more overpower scaling, but atm it is not the best.
Blood seeker is awesome (and probably why lance duration temper exists) but it won't help you with boss fights, right?
I feel like Banished Lords is just wrong here. I'm kind of motivated to do some BL theory crafting now ^^
@@flowqi212 The boss counts for 1 lance, and mutilator may count for 1 more lance too (dont really know but I will assume that it does). You can also output a burst of damage against boss that spawn minions.
But Blood seeker is way to good in order to clear the pit, so you win so much time to go to the boss.
After all my tests, blood seeker is just the MVP everytime. But doombringer, bloodseeker on amulet or sacrificial on amulet are really all close to each other. Blood seeker is just better somehow, and 170M crit overpower are cool :D
I don't use blood lance duration temper, I spam so much lances that all enemies are always lanced anyway, I always used lucky hit damage (I hit so many attacks). I really never tried blood lance duration but I really don't think that it would help. And temper is limited, so never tried this shitty temper :D
The man the myth the legend, MacroBioBoi! Sadly, thank you for confirming that I will keep playing Minions. What is your take on removing overpower from the game? (I also wish that lucky hit would disappear, and we get those powers for real (even at reduce proc rate)) be safe take care and see you in your next video (watching all to learn you are a great educator et Blizzard did the RIGHT thing in choosing you to partner)!
Any hope for blood surge next season? My favorite build but everything you said here is the problem. I was getting 42 million crits max and when bosses have a trillion health that just doesn’t cut it
Doesn’t resource cost reduction from ring of starless skies hurt your procs for Banished lord?
Would bone storm crit enough to replace that ring with Torment aspect and have really reasonable uptime? If the uptime isn’t good enough, maybe apply Vuln with bone spear so you can proc Torment at will even when you mess up your skill rotation? Not sure what you’d drop for this but I can’t stand the corpse explosion sound from game launch Necro gameplay flashbacks, so I’d drop CE and potentially just deal with the Flesheater uptime sucking.
Genuinely asking to understand the thought process of keeping RoSS with BLTalisman since they seem antisynergistic. I guess the RoSS 50% damage is that good?
They are at odds, it's just a question of how much you lose vs gain. RoSS is a 1.5x multi, the closest you could otherwise get on a ring would be 1.3x from a perfect world Inner Calm. BLT is a 1.6x multi assuming 100% crit, with the added bonus of extra Overpowers every so often. That's where you need to assess, how much do I care about those extra OPs, what dps do they really provide?
Hey appreciate the video! I wasnt sure if you looked at blood boiling aspect for the additional overpower proc?
Not a great choice.
ive been theory crafting this one for a while now and its a struggle to get those numbers to extreme highs/ i used the grandfather and crit chance paragon to get up high numbers there to utilize it with the talismans extra damage with high crit chance and i got 30plus million damage an overpower with high attackspeed but never more
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to take down any of the uber bosses so far. Have had terrible luck on my GAs and tempering.
I also didnt understand the part where you mentioned having more overpower was useless. I see alot of overpower options you missed, does overpower softcap after a certain amount?
Every time you add stats, they provide slightly less net benefit. In a case like Overpower where you have +2000%, adding +100% only nets you a 5% increase from that stat. Additive stuff diminishes super hard because the numbers are so large.
Survivability was severely nerfed too, considering how much ehp you could accumulate and how effective in terms of ehp, leech and heal was for the build... Spec lost its tank archetype alignment with health scaling being shifted to gear, especially rubies... so even blight is able to reach comparable level of tank... even incorporate undying leech
Have you tried using cruors embrace shako and embalmer by any chance while on blood lance build? It feels like blood orbs come more frequently or maybe it's just me
To cast surge instead of corpse explosion? Not sure that's a great option.
@MacroBioBoi the reason I said is because when I was using it, it triggered embalmer almost 100% of the time instead of the mere 30%
Shadow surfer build ?
Will the new imprisoned spirit aspect be able to crit/overpower?
Almost certainly
have you seen the p4wnyhof blood lance build? it looks really fun, it uses the bloodwave/fast blood combo to have lots of healing and therefor overpowers with rathmas vigor. i would like to hear your opinion on it since youre one of the smartest necro mains imo
I'n my personal opinion, This has NOTHING to do with Macro as hes humble and reserved on others in the D4 community, P4wny is just not a good necro. i seen his necro builds and to add to it, Notice his video times. He always posts AFTER macro does or a few others. It leads me to believe he waits for Players like Macro Who actually do the math, Charts, Percents, And tests to post. then he Psuedo bites completely off the video and says he came up with it on his own. as a necro main, and i'll brag, Master. P4wnys builds are just not it.
want a good interesting Suggestion? instead of Banished lords talisman, Use a Normal necklace with +to tides of blood and use the "Blighted aspect" and activate Shadowblight key passive instead of Rathmas vigor. The Blighted aspect will give you over 180% MULTIPLICATIVE damage, MUCH higher than Banished lords. Did i forget to mention since you're using a Normal necklae You get + to tides and blood thats anywhere from 10%-35%(×) MULTIPLICATIVE damage with blood overpowers.
after that, Run Rathmas chosen for Attack speed up to 50% more attack speed. and then use blighted Corpse explosion (this is to trigger Blighted key passive for 180% Multi danage) We can keep this up permanently and maintain that 180% Through and through.
@@Trystian-jg6wh video of this please. we would love to see how these words translate into gameplay thank you.
@@r3dr3drose There's nothing really pazzazzy about it or anything to prove, Its just moving aspect around and trying out a Necklace with an aspect instead of running banishlords talisman. Just try it yourself, If not thats on you and stick to your banishlords. There's a reason This setup was used by the number one AoZ pusher for bloodlance. This setup is more ideal than Banish lords and damage is more consistent as you have 100% uptime with Shadowblight Key passive and blighted in the necklace. If it doesn't make sense to you, Keep using banish lords. No skin off my bones if you don't try it. Its a suggestion.
If they don't increase Necro speed substantially season 5 it's going to be hard to swap off of Barb. I've been putting Whirlwind gear together for a couple of weeks now really optimizing with GAs and master working 25% crits. After playing Necro most of the season (I play Necro and Barb every season). The disparity right now feels insane. Necro minions for example does very high damage (even after Holy Bolts - RIP), but the speed after playing Whirlwind feels almost unplayable to me. Necro is so fucking slow, I mean...Necro has always been slow, but these other builds and classes are just getting faster and faster. Barb annihilates an entire pit floor in the time it takes Necro to round up a couple of packs with Tendrils, it feels so bad. They desperately need to fix this.
Pit 100 is considered viable after the nerf? Well my plagued CE build is viable! 💙💀
Does thorn damage work with Abhorrent decrepify talent?
No
Someone named Kikaqt did a pit 125 with blood lance. He might be someone to talk to. He uploaded the run to his youtube page.
Did you try mutilator plate?
I was wundering why i absolutly didn't do any damage on the 200 level bosses. Now I know.😢
Can you explain why control is almost never advised in necro build guides? Maybe I'm missing something but a 20% multiplier seems pretty good but most guides use 10% glyphs like sacrificial and amplify.
You need to stagger a boss before they're considered "crowd controlled" so only build which can capitalize on the stagger window and burst down a boss uses it. Historically that's DoT builds and now adays bone spear can manage it.
@@MacroBioBoi Oh well for some reason I thought the slow worked on bosses like in D3. Thanks for elaborating:)
@@MacroBioBoi but with freeze and immobilize tempering on chest and amulet (slow from curse and stun from... curse too :D) combined with the high attack speed of blood builds, it's really easy to stagger a boss.
@@horusleprotecteur yeah, and if you can burst them down in the 3 stagger windows, it would be great, but 60%+ of the fight happens outside of those windows and then the glyph does nothing. Also blood lances lucky hit chance is significantly worse than blight and bone spear's.
@@MacroBioBoiim thinking about building a blight Version of your blight build with Andariels. What Do u think mate?
Change Overpower so 3 aka lanced enemies tagged overpower hits in a row make you overpower until you stop casting. And get +100 movement speed whe this occurs.
What you play necro
How is black river fairing tho?
Very poorly
What about bone prisions instead bone storm?
I talk about prison in the video, it's an interesting option.
@@MacroBioBoi srry i was at the start of the video xD
i think blood orbs are the limiting factor, a 12% chance to spawn a blood orb once every 4 seconds is just stupid bad. if you want more orbs then u have to stop spamming your blood skills and cast corpse explosion while using up an aspect slot to do so.
if they added a natural way to generate orbs more often then the key passive triggered the cdr more often and outputs more dmg.
ignoring dmg and just looking at the skills:
a prominent issue i have with blood lance is that the pierce doesnt feel good. it doesnt pierce immediately so you have to cast a bunch of lances until all the enemies have been marked - then and only then does the skill feel good.
blood surge is fun, but its too dependant on hitting multiple enemies to trigger its effects when fighting a boss - and bosses are just too prominent in the current game.
Yeah i love llaying on my pure Blood build, but the only viable place to play it is on NM Dungeons, on the Pit i legit take forever to kill the boss...
Overpower needs a complete overhaul.
It's insane that with 3 uber uniques how slow it is on pit bosses...and I find it even more insane the 1st set of patch notes for S5 there is little to nothing for blood buffs.
I just don't understand it, dude
So what you are saying is the best necro build is still barb.
And that's y ill probably be the only Necro i see again next season in a sea of Barbs... Been a minion necro main since the game came out.. Minions finally became amazing and blizzard seems to be trying to make them not great end game again. Blizzard needs to chill wit the nerfs and start buffing all the other classes. Mainly druids and sorcs but rouges and Necros deserve amazing stuff to.. Barbs r in a really good spot so they need to just work on everything else.
@subzero308 yea ngl bone spirit will be number 1 build but otherwise minions ima still play them minions keeping 100% of your stats just means I'm gonna be chilling with making a build
THE BLOOD KEY PASSIVE IS BUGGED. NOT RESETTING CORRECTLY ON THE TIMER WHEN OVER HEALING; (
No it's not. It works correctly.
@@MacroBioBoi I use andy to test. Every time I hit, the timer should reduce by 2. It did not.
@@chris.w391 nope, you need to heal from a blood orb specifically.
@@MacroBioBoi Oh, thanks for the clarification. Blood key passive are worse than I think
I'm still a bit upset about the minion nerfs :/
I'm ok with that! Bored out of my mind with minions, we need better options :)
No one's playing it because its not "meta", but I made a blood surge build that can do exactly that and its very fun to play, unlike minions and golem. It just takes a lot more effort than those builds to just barely be viable, but its super fun.
Fun is subjective. I’m glad you’re enjoying blood surge. I love minions and golem builds. I play a non-conventional auto-pilot minon build with ring of mandellin and sacrilegious ring then the conventional shadowblight minion shit. I love running around corpse tendriling stuff and golem smashing it while at the same time I never have to press raise skeleton or corpse explosion or corpse tendrils if I don’t want to.
I found blood surge to be pretty bad. But at least people are trying to make something else work.
@@benjaminghazi787 Totally! Valid to add that it's not fun for me, but everyone has different tastes and they're all valid!
@@joao.destro certainly hope they make blood viable sooner rather than later! I usually play necro for the minion class fantasy but I’d like to try a blood build that’s strong for once. I theory crafted one in s1 and since then I haven’t tried another. Blizz does not seem to like necro. Only thing keeping them remotely in the strong ballpark was a holy bolts bug and that’s gone too now
I agree.. the issue is the things needed to make it workable.
First i'm really sorry for the tone of this message but i do it because i really like your content Mac and I feel like people are really listenning to your thoughts about necromancer. You have a real impact on how people play necromancer so I will be a bit Harsh.
i've never built a blood lance necro but my experience as a blood surge during this season is the same with bloodlance as this two skills work the same.
Mac, i really like you and your videos and your sheets and your analyses... but why the hell are you still stacking max life in a blood overpower build and even saying a paradox? max life + fortify only give additionnal ADDITIVE overpower damages (non visible in the character stats). And you are saying yourself that you have tremendous overpower damages (which is right).
and so... you put doombringer which gives max life so moooore additive damages.
I did the maths between doombringer and your offhand compared to your 2H scythes in terms of overpower damages from Hp and fortify.
with your stuff, doombringer and offhand gives you 1514% additive overpower damages from life and fortify.
The 2H scythes gives you 1212% additive overpower damages from life and fortify.
So the difference is 302% overpower additive damages.
Let's assume your char sheet says you have 2000% overpower additive damage.
in terms of overpower damages, you lose 8.5% damages between the scythes and the doombringer
The scythe gives you 202 intelligence so a 20.2% damage multiplier.
So the scythe gives you around 12% more damages than doombringer and the offhand.
It's even worse because i did not take into account the other source of additive damages you have from the parangon.
My blood surge is running 2200 intelligence. And is doing far better than you can imagine. I'm not saying i'm doing a 130 pit. No. Blood build are really not good I agree with that. But at least I'm doing 115 without difficulties.
I sent you on discord my actual planner for a blood surge build (Yes it's me, Ilda on discord). And I feel you have not check it.
So I see 3 ways to see things :
1/ This way, I really think it's not right because I know you're not like this : you don't give a shit about blood builds and you do not even make the effort to make good things.
2/ This one is a bit overthought but... hey why not : you are doing this on purpose to force blizzard to rework blood necro builds.
3/ you are living in the wrong world where blood builds need to stack max life as hell.
So to conclude. Let my rectify the build you are showing to us :
max life = trash. Go for intelligence on chest and boots instead of life. And put doombringer back in the bank. A 2H scythes with grasping veins on it will just do far better.
attack speed is juicy : stack as much as attack speed on gear to reach de 100% cap. With tempering and masterwork it's really piece of cake. After that complete with crit chance to reach around 50% crit chance (the other 50% will be reached with grasping veins on a 2H weapon). One roll on gloves should be enough to reach near the 50% crit chance so you can put 2 intelligences affixes on rings. (yes i said rings with an s. Talk about that later).
Banished lord talisman is also trash in blood build. An amulet with a + 2 tides of blood fully masterworked gives the same amount of damages than the talisman and a sacrificial aspect on the amulet will make it a far better damage item. I also calculated that a +%intel in the amulet is even better than a coalescent blood affixe with enough intelligence.
And starless sky : I really don't know if it's good or bad. I do not have it to test it but with my actual gear i make the hypothesis that i will lose damage with it because of losing intelligence and attack speed.
Here. I hope you'll take the message into consideration and hope to see better from you.
Anyway keep up the good work.
I'm sorry boss, I'd love to hear this again without you assuming I'm intentionally being bad at the game for the purposes of some weird secret agenda of... Lying to feel bad, I guess?
This is the weirdest armchair psychology thing that's happened at me in a long time. I tried the two hander, it's didn't lead to better damage, I tried normalized non-overpower damage, it didn't lead to a better outcome. Watch the Livestream where I tested different approaches, I don't put out videos that I haven't spent hours working on before you see the end result.
Me coming to an incorrect conclusion, according to your experience, is exactly why I include the ask to share different experiences, because I'm not all knowing nor am I perfect. But I don't deserve whatever this weird "I'm not mad I'm just disappointed" approach to communicating you're trying.
TLDR: "My blood surge is running 2200 intelligence. And is doing far better than you can imagine. I'm not saying i'm doing a 130 pit. No. Blood build are really not good I agree with that. But at least I'm doing 115 without difficulties."
Blood build is still not as good as its peers despite the amount of words that is used in this weird essay.
painful
oh yes...same 5 abilities in every spec
blood mist,tendrils , corpse explosion,bonestorm and decrepify + spender
Blizzard's game everyone...released in 2023
It's just the effort to change builds that's the issue. 😂
Jep.. Over Power necro does not have damage to bosses.. So sad..
immortal but damage is bad 😂😂
"Immortal" => Goes through 6 potions to kill 1 pack in the first gameplay footage. Sick.
omg congrats you have eyes and you can see. keep up posted about other things that you have spotted.
Dont wanna sound like a snob, just trying to educate (as I was surprised myself when I heard it): cuirass is of french origin, and as such, has to be pronounced roughly as "kwi-raas". No shit, you can google that to listen to it, it's wild.
Needless to say, since I've never heard it pronounced before, I read it in all kinds of horribly wrong ways ever since D2 launched way back when. (Add on top of that that neither french nor english are my native tongues.)
Towards the end you mention the alternative versions of this build, amongst other, the minions. What I don't understand is why we have cold mages instead of blood mages of some sort. Outside of select uniques, the necro doesn't deal cold damage at all.
@@pitecusHTbf, Blood is just the thing the devs decided to glom onto back in D3 despite the only precedent being Blood Golem, when Cold had just as much representation in Skeleton Mages. Hell, Fire has Mages, Golem and CE but got wiped out completely. Don't get me started on Poison getting replaced with Shadow... (grumbles in old man).
Unfortunately the correct pronunciation sounds very similar to a derogatory phrase, so it's a hard sell.
Turns out you say many words that have entered the English language, according to English standards, instead of their language of origin. No one pronounces mithril as Mee-Thrill, as the progenitor language of Tolkien's dwarves would have.
@@MacroBioBoi I mean, I do, but I'm also a pedantic nerd so...
Necro in this game is so so so boring ... Gameplay look so "passive". Don't know if i play this class again in D4
Cmon Macrobioboi... You are a D2 player too.. stop using those wings
They will keep existing and Blizz will keep making more of them, but at least you could keep your characters dignity
The wings are kickass, idk what this means.
weird comment.