I service alot of these hypers. They tend to be a bit draggier than the usual wheel but the difference in drag is not gonna slow you down at all. I do note that the ceramic bearings are not the best and often changing the bearings to quality ones with better quality/tolerances often result in a very smooth wheelset. I also note that the stock hypers are a bit undergreased from the factory.
The Vision wheels have a higher kinetic energy value to them which is why they spin longer than the Hyper wheels. Which is to say that since the Vision wheels are heavier (ie a body in motion wants to stay in motion) they will stay in motion longer than the lighter Hyper wheels.
These sort of spin tests can be affected by grease viscosity. The visions may have a thinner grease or the grease has melted away from contact surfaces. Not saying this is it. But what i can say is different grease affects the spin tests. If you use thin oil it will spin more. But then you don't get the same bearing protection or you need to oil more often. Maybe a possible variation in the results explained.
I have a pair of Hyper 50’s. I run Conti 5000s with latex tubes at 70-80psi on my Sworks Tarmac. Really fast and really comfortable, comfort I attribute to the latex tubes at lower pressures than most would use. I did the spin test on the front wheel after I noticed how easily the wheel spun while in the work stand. It spun for 7 minutes, I’ve a video as proof. The valve also will always find it’s way to bottom dead centre after what seems like rocking back and forth for ever. I paid £700 for the pair after using a discount code. For me they have been excellent value when faced with upwards of £1500 -£2000 for established brands. That’s my 10 cents 😊
Thanks for watching and commenting. Happy to hear that your set is doing well. Like I said in the video a lot of people love there Hypers and have no problems, but some do and unfortunately I am one of those people. Enjoy your Hypers!
Damien..i(just in case you don t know and for your own safety) : If your wheels are rim brake type I would advice to change your latex tubes for butyl ones. Latex tubes overheat a lot in long descents and wouldn t resist to a long descent like Col de Croix de fer or Glandon in summer
Performance of ceramic bearings is one of the most hyped up thing in cycling. Cheap ceramic bearings on top of that not only doesn't improve performance in anyway but also hurts it as seen in this example. All those Winspace wheels that don't have the problems you're having right now will run into the same issues. Just give it a few rainy rides.
Thank for watching and commenting! I think Ceramic bearing only make sence if they are full ceramic, good quality and will only be worth it if all the bearing in your drivetrain are ceramic. I don't see a point of having a ceramic bottom bracket if all your other drivetrain bearing are regular. Also ceramic makes sence if you are racing and every watt counts, and if your sponsored to pay for it all 😂
I'm having the same problem with my Hyper 50 disc wheels after I ridden it for the first time mid ride through a rain. After that when I gave my front wheel a spin, it started to make bird chirping sounds and no longer spinning smoothly. Sent the wheels to my local bike shop who sells Hyper wheels and they changed the bearings. All good until I had to ride in a rain again and the same issue recurred. Huge let down as I've been enjoying my ride on the Hypers as this is my first carbon wheelset and most of my ride buddies also running Hypers without any issues. I bought the wheelset directly from Winspace, contacted them about this and hopefully the issues can be resolved.
I got a new hyper 50 wheelset. First couple rides in, I noticed my rotor hitting the pads when swaying the bike left to right. I felt a few faint, likely a micron of play if I moved the wheel side to side. Contacted winspace and they mentioned it's bearings. They offered me some cheap Amazon ceramic bearings worth about 20-30 bucks, but I told them that I'll buy quality bearings, so I went to boca bearings and got some premium ones. After replacing them, first few rides, seemed like it fixed the problem, but now the front rotor is doing the same thing but no play, so I'm starting to suspect that there is some play inside the hub itself. I'll be reaching out to winspace soon.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Sorry to hear about your problems with hypers. Reach out to them and ask for a refund. A new wheelset should have all these problems! Let me know how it goes.
I had no problem with hyper Wheelset 50mm ,pick up so fast & maintain speed as long as 50km solo .I had it since 2021 September. Didn’t change bearing or tune the carbon spokes
The heavier wheels will spin longer. It could also be where the weight is. I had two sets of stock wheels, but one was an earlier version with fatter spoke and narrower internal. It also had J bend spokes vs the straight pull on the newer version. I did a spin like that and the first version kept on spinning.
Loosen quick release on hypers and try spin test. Cheap ceramic bearings , under pressure the races deform thus more friction. Solution is replace bearings with good quality ones.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Btw im a big fan of your channel! Thanks for the advice on the hypers but I already sent them back and got another wheelset.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I thought about that but didn’t want to spend even more money trying to get these wheels fixed when there could more underlaying issues. I already spent over $200 trying to get the spoke issue fixed.
That sucks man. I've got 38mm, no issues with mine after 5k. Mine are disc break, my front spins almost all the way back up if I put the stem at the top. I think you got a bad pair. I saw you got visions. Another cool company is Yoeleo. I got a pair for my gravel bike, very nice with good customer service. Good vid, I think it will help winspace stay on point with quality as they expand. If winspace is watching this, I hope you send this guy a pair to check out. I think it's important you guys believe in your products, and show us with your reviewers on UA-cam.
Thanks for watching and the support. I gotta say the visions are much better than the hypers I had. I hope winspace will send out another set of hypers for me to try out and test so I can see what all the hype is all about but I think I caused them enough pain 😂🤣
Spin test sadly will prove nothing. Both wheels weigh differently so that’s inconclusive (Visions look like 30’s & your Hypers look like 50’s). Plus different viscosity in grease/oils affect that as well. Plus bearings (makeup, tolerances, etc) affect all that. And your rear wheel has a torque meter or something of the sort & that distorts rotation. Simple problem causing all this is that some wheels get sent out the factory with more grease than others. Then initial break in when a riders puts them on their bike sorta sets the foreground for how they perform going forward. Send it back & get the same design but a new set.
I love my hypers, got 10000km on them now. Didn’t do a single hub ore bearing service and they are rolling like crazy! Spin Test goes for like 5 minutes 😂 sad that you obviously got a defect one. Mine are the best wheels I ever had.
I am glad they have given you a refund and all is good in the end. Rolling my Hyper Wheels tomorrow. And my Specialized Road Bike. A good combination. Would love to ride with you one day!
Glad everything worked out at the end for you and that winspace stepped up with their customer service. Thank you also for all the comparison tests that was fun to watch.
It could be the quality of the bearings, I’ve had skateboard bearings that feel nice when spinning them by hand, as soon as there’s weight on them they just hold no speed, hunt down some good quality bearings and see if that helps
Just curious if you had given any consideration to the types of seals used in the particular wheel bearings. I've noticed different spin rates on several wheelsets over the years. In some cases the free-spin was affected by the types of seals used. Looser seals seem to allow better spin but more suspetability to contamination, tighter seals protect the bearing but have more friction. I'm for sure no expert on bearings! I've got two wheelsets I currently run. A set of Bontrager RSL-37s and a Set of Caden. (DeCadence model) The Decadence actually spin slightly better than the Bontragers. However, for some reason I do prefer the Bontragers.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I’m no bearing expert either but I didn’t want to spend more money and time trying to fix these new wheels. Hopefully Winspace has fixed any of this issues.
Good point, I do feel the resistance could have something to do with tighter seals. Due to the windspace wheels having ceramic bearings the seals might just be designed tighter to help prevent contamination as ceramics are more susceptible to damage and wear in foul weather. Interesting if windspace could comment on this.
Well for standard deep groove BB the seals are responsible for most of the friction. If you took even a cheap no name steel bearing, removed the seals and replaced the grease with oil these boys would spin with super low friction. They just aren't durable. I would recommend standard bearing from big brands with non contact seals, like NSK VV. Every reputable bearing manufacturer has a non contact seal option for most of their standard bearings. They are relativeley cheap, at below 10 bucks and I would say they are better than most stuff you get shipped with wheels, especially in the long run
Sorry About your bad experience with these wheels man Most of us haven't had this problem I'm completely impressed with my wheels Only 2 rides The Wheels stationary spin forever. I've had them locked at by a cycling buddy And he too is really and pressed by the wheels
It's not a fair riview! You can't judge the wheels just by the quality of the bearings. I've got Vision Trimax Carbon 45 and just after few rides had the problem with the freehub bearings. I replaced them with the better quality ones, greased them properly and now the wheels are perfect. Even the big brands initially install lower quality bearings.
Thanks for watching and commenting. For all the hype these wheels are getting i was expecting better. Still the bearing could be fine but maybe they were pressed in crooked or the hub was not machined to spec.
Ya on to there next generation of wheels so they can address all the issues with the old ones 🤣🤣🤣 Bottom line mine sucked. Most people like there’s but mine had a lot of issues so maybe there quality control is not the best 🤔
could be the seals or too much preload, the end caps that snap on could be pressing on the seals/bearings. i like the end caps that screw on cuz you can keep them looser and the quick release wont effect preload. would be interesting if you undid the quick release.
I also wonder if it's a tolerance issue. I think I remember hearing that these wheels rely on the tension from the quick release to set the bearing preload. They don't have any other adjustment like you find on other hub designs.
I came to ask this. Everyone wheel I've got has twin nits to set the tension on the bearings. The skewer tension effects this preload too. I install the wheel, then push the rim exactly where 1 brake pad touches. If the rim has slop coming from the bearings then I tighten the nuts till the wheel has no free play. You have to lock the jamnut up while installed, then re tension the skewer. I've had many wheels that won't spin freely while having zero bearing slop. Some wheels like my mavics spin for minutes with no slop. Some wheels I've had to accept some slop to allow freespin (if it was disc brake it would've rubbed pads constantly. You should be able to diagnose yours just by loosening the skewers. There will be a crush tube in between the 2 wheel bearings, it sounds like your tube is just a bit too short, were talking 0.05-0.1mm. Enough to drag the bearings. Either way, not letting you adjust bearing preload is a shite design to save 15 grams and use less components/threads.
Just purchased Windspace Hyper 65 for my tri bike. Have been running Alto for the past 4 seasons. The altos spin more freely, but replaced the bearings with Kogel. After about 1000 mile on the windspace I will replace with Kogel. My first few rides, my impression was they clime better than alto, seems the same on flats. My Roval 321 disk spins like shit, replaced the bearing and spines similar to the windspace. In tests keeping power with in a few watts.. the hyper runs equal to alto front and Roval rear. With less than 100 miles on the Hyper, I feel the bearings are not great and need more time to break in the wheels.
@@toekicker01 Thanks for watching and commenting. I don't get why bearing have to be changed after a few hundred miles. They should last longer, but I guess this may be a place Winspace is saving money.
I dont think the spin test is the be all and end all,if the wheels were loaded ie riding on them and you coasted both bikes I'd be interested in that more tbh.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I did that test of me riding hypers and another wheelset on a 1 mile downhill and the hypers were 9 seconds slower. It’s one of my pervious videos if your interested to watch it.
I also bought winspace hypers 50mm on the November on 2020 and they came around early December. You should replace the bearing. Why am i saying that? because when i was cleaning my bike and i had it upside down, the wheel started to rotate from the valve being on the top, and it did not stop until i stopped it. So i think you should change bearings. It is sad that some products come flawed. Shit happens. i also had a bad experience with carbon wheels, which where custom made and they were actually built badly so i changed them with the hypers, so i understand the frustration. However, hypers are exceptional on my bike, i have many miles, and races, and wins with them.
Thodoris Koutsis ενδιαφέρομαι και εγώ να αγοράσω τα hypers, πιστεύεις πως αξίζουν σαν wheelset? Επίσης αντιμετώπισες κάποιο πρόβλημα στην αποστολή και στην πληρωμή για ο προιόν απο Κίνα? Σε ευχαριστώ πολύ.
@@diti1993ku για rim brakes νομίζω είναι η μοναδική επιλογή για wheelset, πας με κλειστά μάτια. έχω εμπειρία από πολλές ροδες και οι. Για disc brake ποδήλατο υπάρχουν και άλλες επιλογές αλλά λίγο περισσότερα λεφτά, απλά οι winsspace είναι λίγο πιο βαριές, από ριμ σε δισκ.ξανενα πρόβλημα με τη μεταφορά, κανένα πρόβλημα με.τους τροχούς. Έχω 10κ χιλιόμετρα και δεν χρειάζονται καν ακτινολογιση. Εντελώς impressed. Και σκέψου έχω τη δεύτερη έκδοση. Τώρα έχουν διορθώσει πράγματα...
I wonder if a weight load on the wheels would negate the spin down issues. A wheel spin test while supported off the ground surely can’t compare to actually riding them
Thanks for doing another honest review, as much as you/we can expect without getting in a lab. Tbh it's real world that matters. The so called butterfly weave looks awful in my opinion up close, with all those resin marks of green and brown, just like mine were. I don't care if it's because they're not painted it doesn't look professional for $1k and it's a cost manufacturers saving excercise not weight saving!
Thanks for watching and commenting! Glad you enjoying my videos. A lot of people are torn on the weave, I liked it but I can see how the yellow/brown can throw some people off.
nothing to criticize about your disappointment, just something about your bearing "test". If you can feel the "slowing effect" of your bearings from what I see here, you're a super sensible guy... Up a climb I discovered that my bearings were completely seized and it cost me around 5w for the climb, seem that yours is not that bad so you can really feel it
Thanks for watching and commenting. I felt these wheels were slower than the Zipp firecrest I had before, even from the first ride but I didn't want to admit it. It took me a few months to finally admit to myself I may have just wasted a lot of money. Thankfully for most other Hyper users this isn't the case and I guess mine are from a defective batch or something.
Get some light bicycle wheels Fred. They’re not cheap but they’re super reliable and great value. Laced with some sapim cx ray spokes they’re bullet proof.
great vid from a real buyer ( not a promo code one ....) ..... a little question. does anyone have feedback about those wheels ? CRD-351 SL Carbon from BMC ...
Rear wheel spinning duration is not a problem with bearings. Have a poor freehub driver (ratchet ring, pawls and springs) design is the cause of having high resistance. Bearings are not your issue.
its just the design of wheels but also ceramic bearings notoriously degrade faster than steel. But, overall as I see it, that will not slow you down. The current set up of your stem will definitely slow you down - slam it!
Interesting video, thanks! I had very bad luck with ceramics bearings in the rear derailleur. They were fine about 200 kilometers and then busted. They were with bad seals. This is not the case in here though. You can have the best of the best until water gets in :-)
I wish I had seen this review before I bought a pair of these wheels,as I bought them and both have went out off true,within 5/6 rides,no hard aggressive racing,spokes have twisted,I’m not happy with them,if I could return them I would
Sorry to hear about your problems. Reach out to winspace and see what they can do. Obviously this twisting spoke issue is a major problem that the users shouldn’t have to pay for to fix, especially if the wheels are only a few months old. Contact them and give them hell until the refund you 😉
Hi I thought I’d let you know what’s happening with my refund,regarding 50 mm winspace wheels,we’ll I sent them to the address I was instructed to,and was told I would have the refund within a week,nearly 4 weeks later,and a few emails,still no refund,Bobby
I wish I would have watched your review before buying. My spokes came unthreaded after every ride. My LBS initially rebuilt the wheels and it happened again the next ride.Then winspace rebuilt the wheels and it happened again. By the way I rode the rims 3x and each time the spokes came loose. Garbage rims. Winspace DOES NOT refund all of your money when returned so be VERY careful to anyone looking at buying winspace HYPER wheels.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I’m sure winspace is paying all the content creators to say great things about these wheels or send them “special” wheels to review. I’ve lost all hope for winspace products.
@@cycling8189 Faulty logic seeing you're a content creator yourself. Brands use different OEMs as well for their many products. Their bike frame for instance can't be dismissed just because you hate their wheels.
I really hope Winspace sends you another wheelset…I’m not an expert, but I can see something is not quite right with yours. At the $1k price point, getting anywhere close to my DT Swiss 1400s on my BMC RdMachine is a win for me…I am very happy. My light spin results were a “somewhat” better than yours…so definitely Winspace should look into this at their expense, especially to improve the product, if it means reengineering.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I hope they send another wheelset for me to test so I can finally know how these wheels are suppose to feel. I hope they examine my wheelset and find out what was wrong with it.
If you have sealant in the wheels, it will slow them down dramatically. Spin a wheel with sealant, and without. I think your Winspace wheels were fine.
Yes in most cases, but I have a Chinese wheelset on my mountain bike that’s been perfect for 3 years now. However that wheelset is built with dt-240 hubs.
Thank for watching and commenting! That may be true but we did try a spin test on some other lightweight wheels and they still spun longer than the Hypers.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I know I can replace the bearing but for me if they used such low quality bearings I wonder what else is low quality. I sent them back and got my money back, used the money to get a set of brand new Vision Metron 55sl, world tour used and proven, for basically the same price. Bike feels and performs so much better. Plus if i ever need replacement parts for the Vision there are tons of sites/dealers who carry them, unlike waiting weeks for parts from China...
Wasn`t It said many times, that spin test without load means nothnig? Tight bearings properly greased or just new can look bad when spinning freely but under load might be faster and stiffer and lose less energy. Anyway 80% of bearings resistance are just sealings and i prefer to have better sealings and lose 0,2W per wheel but have them bulletproof ;-). Just dont look at spin test becouse under load this ressistance values are irrelevant. Want to check performance go do outside test uphill/ flat etc. Funny thing and bad sametime Is when manufacturer sacrafice quality of sealings becouse want to pleasure people at their spin test. Also being said Hypers has less kinetic energy and way lighter spokes which make them easier to spin but harder to keep that spin ;-).
Thanks for watching and commenting. I did test these hypers vs some other wheels and hypers are the slowest of them all. I’m sure mine are a defective set.
Nope, tires are great. I actually tried some vision KOM’s (30mm deep) wheels with same tires and there were faster downhill, uphill and flats. Hypers are 👎🏼
Think what you like buddy, fact is my hyper wheels are defective and I sent them back. Both wheels hubs/bearing were serviced before this test so I guess I can’t please everyone on UA-cam 🤣
I service alot of these hypers.
They tend to be a bit draggier than the usual wheel but the difference in drag is not gonna slow you down at all.
I do note that the ceramic bearings are not the best and often changing the bearings to quality ones with better quality/tolerances often result in a very smooth wheelset.
I also note that the stock hypers are a bit undergreased from the factory.
The Vision wheels have a higher kinetic energy value to them which is why they spin longer than the Hyper wheels. Which is to say that since the Vision wheels are heavier (ie a body in motion wants to stay in motion) they will stay in motion longer than the lighter Hyper wheels.
Sounds Defective - I have the 38mm Hyper's and they have been great.
These sort of spin tests can be affected by grease viscosity. The visions may have a thinner grease or the grease has melted away from contact surfaces. Not saying this is it.
But what i can say is different grease affects the spin tests. If you use thin oil it will spin more. But then you don't get the same bearing protection or you need to oil more often.
Maybe a possible variation in the results explained.
Here I am riding my old aluminum commuter rims like a chump. At least they're sturdy!
Haha nothing wrong with aluminum wheels!
I have been completely crushing all my Prs on my new hyper 50s, these things are amazing. sorry urs are not going well.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Glad your set is in good working order!
Same here love them!
@@AshKetchhum I’ve been crushing every local PR with my new wheelset I got after I sent my hypers back 😉
I have a pair of Hyper 50’s. I run Conti 5000s with latex tubes at 70-80psi on my Sworks Tarmac. Really fast and really comfortable, comfort I attribute to the latex tubes at lower pressures than most would use. I did the spin test on the front wheel after I noticed how easily the wheel spun while in the work stand. It spun for 7 minutes, I’ve a video as proof. The valve also will always find it’s way to bottom dead centre after what seems like rocking back and forth for ever. I paid £700 for the pair after using a discount code. For me they have been excellent value when faced with upwards of £1500 -£2000 for established brands. That’s my 10 cents 😊
Thanks for watching and commenting. Happy to hear that your set is doing well. Like I said in the video a lot of people love there Hypers and have no problems, but some do and unfortunately I am one of those people. Enjoy your Hypers!
Could you share what discount you have used? 700gbp is around 940usd, which means basically a 20% discount. Most coupon code I found is 10%
@@binshuo did you get the 20% discount code?
@@AS-by6cp no
Damien..i(just in case you don t know and for your own safety) : If your wheels are rim brake type I would advice to change your latex tubes for butyl ones. Latex tubes overheat a lot in long descents and wouldn t resist to a long descent like Col de Croix de fer or Glandon in summer
Performance of ceramic bearings is one of the most hyped up thing in cycling. Cheap ceramic bearings on top of that not only doesn't improve performance in anyway but also hurts it as seen in this example. All those Winspace wheels that don't have the problems you're having right now will run into the same issues. Just give it a few rainy rides.
Thank for watching and commenting!
I think Ceramic bearing only make sence if they are full ceramic, good quality and will only be worth it if all the bearing in your drivetrain are ceramic. I don't see a point of having a ceramic bottom bracket if all your other drivetrain bearing are regular. Also ceramic makes sence if you are racing and every watt counts, and if your sponsored to pay for it all 😂
Agree good quality steel ball bearings for cycling is good enough.
I'm having the same problem with my Hyper 50 disc wheels after I ridden it for the first time mid ride through a rain. After that when I gave my front wheel a spin, it started to make bird chirping sounds and no longer spinning smoothly. Sent the wheels to my local bike shop who sells Hyper wheels and they changed the bearings. All good until I had to ride in a rain again and the same issue recurred.
Huge let down as I've been enjoying my ride on the Hypers as this is my first carbon wheelset and most of my ride buddies also running Hypers without any issues. I bought the wheelset directly from Winspace, contacted them about this and hopefully the issues can be resolved.
Hopefully you can sort out the issue! Keep us posted
I got a new hyper 50 wheelset. First couple rides in, I noticed my rotor hitting the pads when swaying the bike left to right. I felt a few faint, likely a micron of play if I moved the wheel side to side. Contacted winspace and they mentioned it's bearings. They offered me some cheap Amazon ceramic bearings worth about 20-30 bucks, but I told them that I'll buy quality bearings, so I went to boca bearings and got some premium ones. After replacing them, first few rides, seemed like it fixed the problem, but now the front rotor is doing the same thing but no play, so I'm starting to suspect that there is some play inside the hub itself. I'll be reaching out to winspace soon.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Sorry to hear about your problems with hypers. Reach out to them and ask for a refund. A new wheelset should have all these problems!
Let me know how it goes.
My Hypers have been the 👅. Also have Enve 5.6 with Chris King. I like the stiffness and quick spin up under acceleration from Winspace
I had no problem with hyper Wheelset 50mm ,pick up so fast & maintain speed as long as 50km solo .I had it since 2021 September. Didn’t change bearing or tune the carbon spokes
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Look like you got a good set of hypers.
The heavier wheels will spin longer. It could also be where the weight is. I had two sets of stock wheels, but one was an earlier version with fatter spoke and narrower internal. It also had J bend spokes vs the straight pull on the newer version. I did a spin like that and the first version kept on spinning.
Surprising that Winspace has not yet commented. For me, no problem, no suspicious noise. Rigidity, aerodynamics ...
Loosen quick release on hypers and try spin test. Cheap ceramic bearings , under pressure the races deform thus more friction. Solution is replace bearings with good quality ones.
Thanks for watching and commenting! Btw im a big fan of your channel!
Thanks for the advice on the hypers but I already sent them back and got another wheelset.
@@cycling8189 Are you aware he's been jailed recently for molesting and killing a dog?
@@Stoffendous ya that is disgusting. I hope he gets what coming to him 👎🏼
Why didn't you try to replace the bearings? Even hambini replaced his hypers' bearings with a non ceramic but good quality ones from NTN.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I thought about that but didn’t want to spend even more money trying to get these wheels fixed when there could more underlaying issues. I already spent over $200 trying to get the spoke issue fixed.
@@cycling8189what's the issue with the spokes?
@@ianpablo2208 the spokes kept rotating around, even after getting them rebuilt to factory spec.
That sucks man. I've got 38mm, no issues with mine after 5k. Mine are disc break, my front spins almost all the way back up if I put the stem at the top. I think you got a bad pair. I saw you got visions. Another cool company is Yoeleo. I got a pair for my gravel bike, very nice with good customer service. Good vid, I think it will help winspace stay on point with quality as they expand. If winspace is watching this, I hope you send this guy a pair to check out. I think it's important you guys believe in your products, and show us with your reviewers on UA-cam.
Thanks for watching and the support. I gotta say the visions are much better than the hypers I had. I hope winspace will send out another set of hypers for me to try out and test so I can see what all the hype is all about but I think I caused them enough pain 😂🤣
Spin test sadly will prove nothing. Both wheels weigh differently so that’s inconclusive (Visions look like 30’s & your Hypers look like 50’s). Plus different viscosity in grease/oils affect that as well. Plus bearings (makeup, tolerances, etc) affect all that. And your rear wheel has a torque meter or something of the sort & that distorts rotation. Simple problem causing all this is that some wheels get sent out the factory with more grease than others. Then initial break in when a riders puts them on their bike sorta sets the foreground for how they perform going forward. Send it back & get the same design but a new set.
I love my hypers, got 10000km on them now. Didn’t do a single hub ore bearing service and they are rolling like crazy! Spin Test goes for like 5 minutes 😂 sad that you obviously got a defect one. Mine are the best wheels I ever had.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Glad your hypers are still rolling strong 💪
I am glad they have given you a refund and all is good in the end. Rolling my Hyper Wheels tomorrow. And my Specialized Road Bike. A good combination. Would love to ride with you one day!
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Ya I’m happy too, and glad your hypers are treating you well!
Happy to go on rides with my supporters 💪
You can’t tell quality of bearings just by feel unless completely shot- the quality of bearings can really be improved by skf or ntn bearings
Glad everything worked out at the end for you and that winspace stepped up with their customer service. Thank you also for all the comparison tests that was fun to watch.
It could be the quality of the bearings, I’ve had skateboard bearings that feel nice when spinning them by hand, as soon as there’s weight on them they just hold no speed, hunt down some good quality bearings and see if that helps
Also I had Chinese ceramic bearings had to swap them out, steel is real trust me on that one
Good point. I can’t imaging the bearing on these wheels were top quality at this price point.
It could be the seals on the bearings!!! They are the that contributes to drags the most. Watch HAMBINI VIDEOS!!
I think you are overthinking it mate . The spinning test is completely irrelevant to when you actually riding the bike pushing 200-300 watts .
Just curious if you had given any consideration to the types of seals used in the particular wheel bearings. I've noticed different spin rates on several wheelsets over the years. In some cases the free-spin was affected by the types of seals used. Looser seals seem to allow better spin but more suspetability to contamination, tighter seals protect the bearing but have more friction. I'm for sure no expert on bearings! I've got two wheelsets I currently run. A set of Bontrager RSL-37s and a Set of Caden. (DeCadence model) The Decadence actually spin slightly better than the Bontragers. However, for some reason I do prefer the Bontragers.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I’m no bearing expert either but I didn’t want to spend more money and time trying to fix these new wheels. Hopefully Winspace has fixed any of this issues.
Good point, I do feel the resistance could have something to do with tighter seals. Due to the windspace wheels having ceramic bearings the seals might just be designed tighter to help prevent contamination as ceramics are more susceptible to damage and wear in foul weather. Interesting if windspace could comment on this.
Well for standard deep groove BB the seals are responsible for most of the friction. If you took even a cheap no name steel bearing, removed the seals and replaced the grease with oil these boys would spin with super low friction. They just aren't durable. I would recommend standard bearing from big brands with non contact seals, like NSK VV. Every reputable bearing manufacturer has a non contact seal option for most of their standard bearings. They are relativeley cheap, at below 10 bucks and I would say they are better than most stuff you get shipped with wheels, especially in the long run
Sorry About your bad experience with these wheels man
Most of us haven't had this problem I'm completely impressed with my wheels Only 2 rides The Wheels stationary spin forever.
I've had them locked at by a cycling buddy And he too is really and pressed by the wheels
It's not a fair riview! You can't judge the wheels just by the quality of the bearings. I've got Vision Trimax Carbon 45 and just after few rides had the problem with the freehub bearings. I replaced them with the better quality ones, greased them properly and now the wheels are perfect. Even the big brands initially install lower quality bearings.
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For all the hype these wheels are getting i was expecting better. Still the bearing could be fine but maybe they were pressed in crooked or the hub was not machined to spec.
But you pay for the wheels including all parts, bearings as well. They should be great if 1k payed.
Windspace wheels have sold globally and are now on their Next Generation Wheels! Enough Said !
Ya on to there next generation of wheels so they can address all the issues with the old ones 🤣🤣🤣
Bottom line mine sucked. Most people like there’s but mine had a lot of issues so maybe there quality control is not the best 🤔
Did you use the win space skewers ? Maybe they were too tight
Ya I did. They felt the same
I'm able see a bit of movement on the brake pads of the BMC you may want to check that.
No they are rock solid, not sure where you see any play, I didn't touch the brakes on this video.
could be the seals or too much preload, the end caps that snap on could be pressing on the seals/bearings. i like the end caps that screw on cuz you can keep them looser and the quick release wont effect preload. would be interesting if you undid the quick release.
I also wonder if it's a tolerance issue. I think I remember hearing that these wheels rely on the tension from the quick release to set the bearing preload. They don't have any other adjustment like you find on other hub designs.
I’ve heard that too.
I tired the supplied skewers and it was the same.
I came to ask this. Everyone wheel I've got has twin nits to set the tension on the bearings. The skewer tension effects this preload too.
I install the wheel, then push the rim exactly where 1 brake pad touches. If the rim has slop coming from the bearings then I tighten the nuts till the wheel has no free play.
You have to lock the jamnut up while installed, then re tension the skewer.
I've had many wheels that won't spin freely while having zero bearing slop. Some wheels like my mavics spin for minutes with no slop. Some wheels I've had to accept some slop to allow freespin (if it was disc brake it would've rubbed pads constantly.
You should be able to diagnose yours just by loosening the skewers. There will be a crush tube in between the 2 wheel bearings, it sounds like your tube is just a bit too short, were talking 0.05-0.1mm. Enough to drag the bearings.
Either way, not letting you adjust bearing preload is a shite design to save 15 grams and use less components/threads.
Just purchased Windspace Hyper 65 for my tri bike. Have been running Alto for the past 4 seasons. The altos spin more freely, but replaced the bearings with Kogel. After about 1000 mile on the windspace I will replace with Kogel. My first few rides, my impression was they clime better than alto, seems the same on flats. My Roval 321 disk spins like shit, replaced the bearing and spines similar to the windspace. In tests keeping power with in a few watts.. the hyper runs equal to alto front and Roval rear. With less than 100 miles on the Hyper, I feel the bearings are not great and need more time to break in the wheels.
P.S. I did have Enve 7.8s and they did not spring as well as Alto.
@@toekicker01 Thanks for watching and commenting. I don't get why bearing have to be changed after a few hundred miles. They should last longer, but I guess this may be a place Winspace is saving money.
I dont think the spin test is the be all and end all,if the wheels were loaded ie riding on them and you coasted both bikes I'd be interested in that more tbh.
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I did that test of me riding hypers and another wheelset on a 1 mile downhill and the hypers were 9 seconds slower. It’s one of my pervious videos if your interested to watch it.
I have Winspace 65mm Disc perfectly fine 👍🏾
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Glad to hear your set is in good working order. Enjoy them!
Just wondering how you found the carbon rim brake performance, heard mixed things on this. Cheers
They perform just as well an any other carbon wheels I’ve had. I would say there supplied pads felt better than other pads i tired.
I also bought winspace hypers 50mm on the November on 2020 and they came around early December. You should replace the bearing. Why am i saying that? because when i was cleaning my bike and i had it upside down, the wheel started to rotate from the valve being on the top, and it did not stop until i stopped it. So i think you should change bearings. It is sad that some products come flawed. Shit happens. i also had a bad experience with carbon wheels, which where custom made and they were actually built badly so i changed them with the hypers, so i understand the frustration. However, hypers are exceptional on my bike, i have many miles, and races, and wins with them.
Thodoris Koutsis ενδιαφέρομαι και εγώ να αγοράσω τα hypers, πιστεύεις πως αξίζουν σαν wheelset? Επίσης αντιμετώπισες κάποιο πρόβλημα στην αποστολή και στην πληρωμή για ο προιόν απο Κίνα? Σε ευχαριστώ πολύ.
@@diti1993ku για rim brakes νομίζω είναι η μοναδική επιλογή για wheelset, πας με κλειστά μάτια. έχω εμπειρία από πολλές ροδες και οι. Για disc brake ποδήλατο υπάρχουν και άλλες επιλογές αλλά λίγο περισσότερα λεφτά, απλά οι winsspace είναι λίγο πιο βαριές, από ριμ σε δισκ.ξανενα πρόβλημα με τη μεταφορά, κανένα πρόβλημα με.τους τροχούς. Έχω 10κ χιλιόμετρα και δεν χρειάζονται καν ακτινολογιση. Εντελώς impressed. Και σκέψου έχω τη δεύτερη έκδοση. Τώρα έχουν διορθώσει πράγματα...
I wonder if a weight load on the wheels would negate the spin down issues. A wheel spin test while supported off the ground surely can’t compare to actually riding them
Thanks for doing another honest review, as much as you/we can expect without getting in a lab. Tbh it's real world that matters. The so called butterfly weave looks awful in my opinion up close, with all those resin marks of green and brown, just like mine were. I don't care if it's because they're not painted it doesn't look professional for $1k and it's a cost manufacturers saving excercise not weight saving!
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Glad you enjoying my videos. A lot of people are torn on the weave, I liked it but I can see how the yellow/brown can throw some people off.
nothing to criticize about your disappointment, just something about your bearing "test". If you can feel the "slowing effect" of your bearings from what I see here, you're a super sensible guy... Up a climb I discovered that my bearings were completely seized and it cost me around 5w for the climb, seem that yours is not that bad so you can really feel it
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I felt these wheels were slower than the Zipp firecrest I had before, even from the first ride but I didn't want to admit it. It took me a few months to finally admit to myself I may have just wasted a lot of money. Thankfully for most other Hyper users this isn't the case and I guess mine are from a defective batch or something.
Get some light bicycle wheels Fred. They’re not cheap but they’re super reliable and great value. Laced with some sapim cx ray spokes they’re bullet proof.
Thanks for the heads up! I like how they offer custom built wheels with big name hubs so it’s easy to find replacement parts!
Good video. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
great vid from a real buyer ( not a promo code one ....) ..... a little question. does anyone have feedback about those wheels ? CRD-351 SL Carbon from BMC ...
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Not to sure about the CRD wheels but I'm are they are good wheels.
@@cycling8189 they are made by dt swiss, and I think like you, I prefer buy quality and tranquility !
Rear wheel spinning duration is not a problem with bearings. Have a poor freehub driver (ratchet ring, pawls and springs) design is the cause of having high resistance. Bearings are not your issue.
its just the design of wheels but also ceramic bearings notoriously degrade faster than steel. But, overall as I see it, that will not slow you down. The current set up of your stem will definitely slow you down - slam it!
lightweight wheels are for lightweight people lol
Good review. I run Hyper 65 and love them on my Allez Sprint. Hopefully you get some wheels you like next time.
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Glad you are enjoying your hypers!
Interesting video, thanks! I had very bad luck with ceramics bearings in the rear derailleur. They were fine about 200 kilometers and then busted. They were with bad seals. This is not the case in here though. You can have the best of the best until water gets in :-)
For $1100 dlls wheel set you can replace the bearings with 200 dlls an have a 1300 dlls wheels set that spin like a 2500 dlls I don't see the issue
I wish I had seen this review before I bought a pair of these wheels,as I bought them and both have went out off true,within 5/6 rides,no hard aggressive racing,spokes have twisted,I’m not happy with them,if I could return them I would
Sorry to hear about your problems. Reach out to winspace and see what they can do. Obviously this twisting spoke issue is a major problem that the users shouldn’t have to pay for to fix, especially if the wheels are only a few months old. Contact them and give them hell until the refund you 😉
Hi I’m trying to get it resolved with winspace,nothing sorted as yet,but will wait in hope
@@bobbymillar7596 keep me updated!
@@cycling8189 will do 👍🏼
Hi I thought I’d let you know what’s happening with my refund,regarding 50 mm winspace wheels,we’ll I sent them to the address I was instructed to,and was told I would have the refund within a week,nearly 4 weeks later,and a few emails,still no refund,Bobby
I wish I would have watched your review before buying. My spokes came unthreaded after every ride. My LBS initially rebuilt the wheels and it happened again the next ride.Then winspace rebuilt the wheels and it happened again. By the way I rode the rims 3x and each time the spokes came loose. Garbage rims. Winspace DOES NOT refund all of your money when returned so be VERY careful to anyone looking at buying winspace HYPER wheels.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I’m sure winspace is paying all the content creators to say great things about these wheels or send them “special” wheels to review. I’ve lost all hope for winspace products.
@@cycling8189 Faulty logic seeing you're a content creator yourself. Brands use different OEMs as well for their many products. Their bike frame for instance can't be dismissed just because you hate their wheels.
I really hope Winspace sends you another wheelset…I’m not an expert, but I can see something is not quite right with yours. At the $1k price point, getting anywhere close to my DT Swiss 1400s on my BMC RdMachine is a win for me…I am very happy. My light spin results were a “somewhat” better than yours…so definitely Winspace should look into this at their expense, especially to improve the product, if it means reengineering.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I hope they send another wheelset for me to test so I can finally know how these wheels are suppose to feel. I hope they examine my wheelset and find out what was wrong with it.
Good result for you, looks like a defect for sure as I don't have this specific issue with mine. Got other defects but not this one
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What defects do your have?
Thanks for sharing
If you have sealant in the wheels, it will slow them down dramatically. Spin a wheel with sealant, and without. I think your Winspace wheels were fine.
Both had the same amount of sealant. Both wheels had just been serviced. Wheels are gone and I cant be happier!
Lower cost options always end up costing you the most.
Yes in most cases, but I have a Chinese wheelset on my mountain bike that’s been perfect for 3 years now. However that wheelset is built with dt-240 hubs.
The Vision wheels are havier, they spin longer than the Hyper wheels......probaly
Thank for watching and commenting! That may be true but we did try a spin test on some other lightweight wheels and they still spun longer than the Hypers.
winspace only comment when they got good review. 😂
They commented my the first review I did of the hypers. Check it out!
Thats just un even bearing. You know you could replace bearing relatively easy right? And its around 1-5$ per bearing and around 10-20mins to replace
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I know I can replace the bearing but for me if they used such low quality bearings I wonder what else is low quality. I sent them back and got my money back, used the money to get a set of brand new Vision Metron 55sl, world tour used and proven, for basically the same price. Bike feels and performs so much better. Plus if i ever need replacement parts for the Vision there are tons of sites/dealers who carry them, unlike waiting weeks for parts from China...
@@cycling8189 turns out good 😊
At least they assume and refund you ;) some may have done this.
just look at that rear derailleur on bianchi, min 10:27 :)))
how did the wheels feel on a different bike?
Same of different bikes too
Wasn`t It said many times, that spin test without load means nothnig? Tight bearings properly greased or just new can look bad when spinning freely but under load might be faster and stiffer and lose less energy. Anyway 80% of bearings resistance are just sealings and i prefer to have better sealings and lose 0,2W per wheel but have them bulletproof ;-). Just dont look at spin test becouse under load this ressistance values are irrelevant. Want to check performance go do outside test uphill/ flat etc. Funny thing and bad sametime Is when manufacturer sacrafice quality of sealings becouse want to pleasure people at their spin test.
Also being said Hypers has less kinetic energy and way lighter spokes which make them easier to spin but harder to keep that spin ;-).
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I did test these hypers vs some other wheels and hypers are the slowest of them all.
I’m sure mine are a defective set.
@@cycling8189 yeah seems so. I hope you succeed to return/fix them.
@@daihat I sent them back and got my money back. I replaced them with Vision metron 55sl wheelset! Major upgrade!
Im grateful that i didnt buy that
.like they say if its good to be true than its not true.
I prefer slr 1 wheels..its much better
Got some bad bearings. Replace them. Simples.
Thank for watching and commenting! I was going to replace the bearing but Winspace accepted a return so I got my money back.
Looks like the wheels is not balanced. Heavier on the valves side that’s all .
After seeing your video, it might not be your wheels.I think it’s those Swhalbe tires, those are trash.
Nope, tires are great. I actually tried some vision KOM’s (30mm deep) wheels with same tires and there were faster downhill, uphill and flats. Hypers are 👎🏼
Also one of my favorite cars is a S2000, you got fine taste in cars 😍
You're comparing two totally different wheel depth with most likely varying grease viscosity. Must be desperate for clicks lol
Think what you like buddy, fact is my hyper wheels are defective and I sent them back.
Both wheels hubs/bearing were serviced before this test so I guess I can’t please everyone on UA-cam 🤣
@@cycling8189 same grease used on both?
Complaining about wheels when you can clearly shed weight and get 100x the performance gains without spending a dime.