Spider-Man and Venom’s Last Fight
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Spider-Man tries his Darndest to Stop Venom from eating his Family. Will he be able to stop him and break his Number One Rule?
Spider-Man Renew Your Vows #1
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Shoutout to how this comic writes MJ and her relationship with Peter. Even as she disapproves of him working overtime as Spiderman, she still supports him fully. And when Venom gives chase, she doesn't panic, she instead uses the knowledge she's accumulated from being with Peter all these years to act and protect her daughter in a way that's rather clever.
That's how you right a strong female character in her situation. She doesn't have powers so fighting back would be suicide and she needs to protect her daughter. Well done to the writer.
@@spectralassassin6030 indeed
"I'm going to hear you scream" and then her going "you first!" goosebumps
Unlike jane foster, and Piper who get butthurt about their boyfriends saving the world
That is the MJ I know.
I find the idea of a villain trying to do a usual monologue and act tough thinking spiderman won't do anything only to take the hardest punch imaginable to the face before they can finish extremely funny
You know they screw up when Spiderman isnt making any jokes
There's nothing quite like starting the "villain speech" you worked on all last night only to immediately eat a three-piece combo with a side of webs and an extra large drink
I love the idea that Venom's dying thoughts were basically, "What're you doing?! You can't do that! You're breaking the rules! THE RULES!!!" as if this somehow wasn't fair.
@@silverblade357 "THATS NOT IN THE SCRIPT, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?"
@@sitorchallenge5691 There was a panel somewhere where a villain says we're all in danger, someone says why, he responds "Spiderman isn't talking".
Something to that effect. They know when he's stone cold you are f'd
Peter: *Finally living a peaceful life with his family.*
Marvel: It's rewind time!
This is why invincible clears the comic industry
Plot twist! This takes place in a alternative universe. And this was just the first issue of a five issue story that would later on get a continuation which explores this alternate world even further. Overall, a must read series.
@@midoriyaweed5508 tru that
Argh
argh
3:40 I like how even venom couldn’t believe that Spider-Man would ever try to kill him he looks so scared and shocked
Yep, goes to show how idiotic Venom thinks he can just show up to the Parker residents, bad move.
Spiderman wouldn't kill, but Peter Parker might once you mess with his family.
@@blackmoon9462 Nah, it’s pretty crazy when he refused to kill Cletus when he murder a whole family but kills venom cause he threatened HIS family
@@malikkailie5979 agreed
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Theres also variant comics and comics breakdown . But rob and benny do, do really good work on comicstorian and comics explained wind definitely recommend them too. . I'll often see a story\comic on a channel like mullet or similar then after watching, just go through one by one checking and watching if there's one for the others, they all have different styles and ways of doing them. Benny the comicstorian even does voices pretty well.
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@@josephruzek2433 he was sarcastic
I really love "renew your vows", it was nice to see my favorite web slinging goofball finally become Spider-dad.
As every hero is dead
@@Nolabray21 "the hardest choices require the strongest wills". But in this case him choosing his family over the heroes is a no brainer😋
Same! Fucking hell Marvel just let him be happy with his wife and kid!
@@Nolabray21 the avengers got rescued in the end, and the x-men are still there
@@robertthreadgill5356 no they didn't, they're all dead.
I genuinely like this! I feel like Peter’s moral code of "no killing" can only go so far. Eventually, the people around him are going to be hurt because he’s not putting these villains down permanently
Ok time to rewind Peter back to high-school now 😊
Noooo for the love of god 😭
Bruh, Peter is actually happy and living a fulfilling life, let’s burn all of his relationships, make his wife..scratch that.. girlfriend be married and have kids w someone else, and let’s make him work with the person who killed his girlfriend and tortured him for most of his life😊
this is the renew your vows universe so that wont happen.
Ik so annoying.
Peters having a good family life with MJ and has a Daughter?
Anyway, let's just say, I dunno, Sandman kidnapped both of them and now he has to fight the Sinister 69 and that Venom and Green Goblin was there too, oh yeah and his daughters throat is slashed, MJ is getting r**ed, and Peter loses his wiener in the battle. Scratch that, it's not good enough. Let's make the Avengers infected by the symbiote just like in Season 3 of Marvels Spider Man (2017) and they try to kill him too! Oh and his secret identity is revealed by Iron Man.
A realistic decision. It would have been beyond belief that anyone in this situation would do anything else, regardless of their own personal code of ethics. I mean, he straight up told Peter he was going to eat his baby. Lethal mode definitely activated.
I wish more superheroes were like that today. Instead, we get ones like Batman. If Batman actually learned to grow and had his limits and realized he has to put his foot down in certain situations like this one, DC comics wouldn’t be failing right now.
In almost every iteration he literally is a dark hero. Not an anti hero. If he had no kill rule he’d be no better than punisher with bat gadget
@@liamerolduffy7738 but I think that's what makes Spider-Man the better hero,
it shows that they're willing make a change just by being the better
If Spider-Man and Batman and Superman killed
They might be announcing Justice
But they lose their humanity
@scarlettspider8 Clark and Peter would both kill if a villain was explicitly threatening to *EAT* their family and had too much power to be contained. They would both probably be uneasy about the act, but would learn to live with the decision.
I'm really not so sure about Batman.
@@silverblade357 yeah, but they don't usually kill, and they understand the value of life,
not saying that they haven't, but choosing not to be some type of masked mercenary
Avenging whoever they want to.
I think that's Witten truly makes them heroes in their respected universe...
by simply trying to be better people
And showing example
Because killing doesn't make a better world
Just more killers...
Killing in general is a hard decision, no matter what the person has done...
You will never forget that day
Finally a comic where Peter gets to be happy
There's also the time when he became someone like the Punisher.
All I'm getting from them as a moral lesson is to put your enemies down permanently LMAO
@@FullchanAnon Being an alternate universe version of Spider-Man is the only way to avoid the writers insistence on returning to the status-quo.
@@Hewasnumber1
Alternate universes are better than the original. Better made these alts as mains.
Imagine some random thug tries to pull up on Peter trying to rob him at gun point while he's with his daughter only to get his shit rocked.
"Nah nah nah we don't do that Batman stuff around here"
Now imagine someone trying to assault spidey's daughter only for them to get the meanest bitch slap of their lives
@@superoakwood5513 bitch slapped to The one above all
@@an0rmalp3rson70 The one above all:I'm disappointed in you,Really? Spidey's daughter of all ppl?
Reverse Flash learned a similar lesson, (although he had the foresight and ability to create a duplicate) when he tried to kill Iris and was immediately killed by Barry in retaliation.
Choked the shit out of him and broke his neck.
@@AryaSanchari I kind of think it didn’t matter how he died. But now everyone knows.
@@imaginarycorgi7312 I kinda think it was immensely satisfying to Barry deep, deep inside his soul although he’d never admit it even to himself.
@@AryaSanchari Of course. Remember he was apart of Superman’s regime.
@@imaginarycorgi7312 oh sorry buddy. I was referencing Flash #323 published in 1983 when Flash killed Reverse Flash.
You know it’s serious when Spider-Man does not pull his punches.
Like Andrew Garfield...
This is my cannon ending, every other comic leads to peter suffering for no reason.
This one is a 10/10.
Especially the current story run... its almost sickening what the writers are doing to Pete
@@williac100
What have I missed?
This comic Renew Your Vows is amazing. Peter, MJ and Annie all become superheroes and fight together as a family.
Agreed
@@RickyUzumaki993 ** Well, after a whole volume of them being back together, Peter and MJ are split up again. Peter is now broke again out of nowhere and back living with his aunt. Peter gets bodied by even low-tier villains in every issue. The other heroes rather randomly don't trust him anymore. MJ is now with this random goober named Paul that is basically plot device incarnate. They've also got two kids due to some alternate dimension affair where time moves faster. The writers apparently get hard making Peter miserable. Do not buy.
When you hurt someone else?
Spidey: "You get your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man! With jokes and quips and bouts of sticky blindness!"
When you hurt Peter Parker's family?
Peter: "You get me."
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Really shows how human spiderman is in a different way, i would be dead on flabbergasted if he still kept venom alive after he threatened to eat his kid NOBODY would blame him for dropping a building on him
I've always liked this story and it's always chilling to see Spider-man truly cut loose, but a thought just occured to me.
Eddie Brock/Venom are an absolute monster to Peter's life, for most of the character's history anyway, but Venom's almost always had his very strange but strong moral code. Amongst those things, he'd never hurt a child or allow one to be hurt when he's around.
Do you think he'd abandon that principle and eat a baby for the sake of screwing with Peter's life some more?
This comic didn't really care for venom character, it just needed a big bad for the final fight.
Yeah i feel like they didnt really care about venoms character in the comic,just needed someone to bring a close to the "superhero " chapter of peters life,and who better than the "anti" version of spiderman basically. Venoms strong moral code is something i love. I personally think that they should have kept the mystery around the symbiotes,cause the king in black storyline, while really cool,kind of detracts from the streets level "anti hero" venom was in that sweet spot after he stopped being a villain. And the current run really demystifies it with his son and everything
@Batty 1377:
Never read any Venom comix, but in his earliest appearances ( before Marvel reworked him so he could be a cash cow) he often found ways to rationalize the deaths of innocents when it suited him.
@ Venom08252:
Do you remember the debate we were having about a week ago, when I joked about your name showing bias towards Venom? I don't know if it's due to my often sucky WiFi or whatever, but I've been unable to directly reply or even find that thread. I've just literally searched these comments from top to bottom & cannot find that thread.
Though we were in dispute doesn't mean hostility; so if you remember it, would you mind taking a look to see if you can still find that thread? I'd appreciate if you'd let me know what you find via this thread? I'm just curious as to if my crappy WiFi is to blame, or if the whole threads deleted. Thanx
@@ronn-ammon8975 yeah, that comment thread just disappeared on me too.
I just love how almost all of these stories start with the villains of New York breaking out of Rykers or The Raft. *You’d think someone would implement some better security systems by now.*
Batman: "First Time?"
It takes courage to be a hero but it also takes courage to put down the costume and be a responsible parent
love that one illustration where his kid is holding a hulk toy while her dad is standing only a few feet away from the real hulk. felt wholesome idk why
I'm not sure if this counts as an unpopular opinion but I prefer venom being more so of a villain than a full on Anti Hero
It's completely out of character from him to be a mindless monster since Eddie has a moral code and likes to protect the innocent
@@zebalak well you are right that he isn't a mindless monster and does have a set of moral codes, there were plenty of times when both Eddie and the symbiote made exceptions of killing an innocent if they may interfere with their plan to get revenge on spiderman
I just think he should be self interested. Like he'd gladly take over a villain.
well i dont share that opinion.. eddie/Venom WAS a villian.. became and Anti hero .. and the he Became a HERO.
Eddie brock and venom are one of the few characters in modern comics that have been allowed to evolve over time and stay that way.. in all honesty it Should stay that way.. unless you are retelling the story.. other wise venom will end up becoming victim of the same issues that are killing spider man as a character this days..
@@zebalak this is an alternate universe, so it might be different here.
Thanks for making nice, short-form, informative content in the age of the thirty minute deep dives of movie teasers
There’s something really funny about the Vulture acting as a common purse snatcher.
Citizen: OH NO, IT'S THE SINISTER 6!
Citizens: tf, why are you just stealing our purses? I thought you'd be killing people or smth.
Doc Ock: YOU SEE, THIS IS PART OF MY MASTER PLAN, WHICH *explains plan in huge detail in front of basically all of Manhattan*
well he is some b grade villain slightly better then the shocker
@@MGrey-qb5xz I'm always at least mildly offended when people say Shockers the worst in the og Sinister Six, but I know it's so unfortunately true.
Nonetheless, I'm offended.
@@smickothesmickest who asked
@@MGrey-qb5xz you
I'm pretty sure that when a villain threatens to EAT A BABY, and is absolutely willing and capable to do so, that's justification to put 'em in the ground. Peter could turn himself in and no jury on the planet would convict him.
Agreeed. So many seem to be in such denial about what a turd Brock can be when it suits him, such as when where Spider-Man is concerned.
@@ronn-ammon8975 Exactly. I'm all for second chances and rehabilitating villains, and I know the symbiote messes with its host's head, but if your options are killing Venom/Eddie or letting him eat a baby the choice is clear.
It's definitely the right move.
Enough is enough, especially when it comes down to family. Those words by venom just mean Spiderman would have never had peace. Sometimes, you have to do what is necessary
I’ve always enjoyed reading Renew Your Vows. They’re one of my favorite Spidey comics!
What's one less superhero when there's hundreds of other superheroes already running around?
Reasonable decision at the end.
I love how the daughter is so chill the entire story
Not really ENDING the story. it's the start of a story, can't remember the name of it though. basically a supervillain named Regent captures all the metahumans and uses technology to use their powers. eventually annie gets powers like spidey's and Mj gets ahold of some regent tech allowing her to be a superhero too. pretty sure they save the avengers and all of them.
Spider-man doesn't have a no kill rule he just only does when needed when it has to be done
Excellent,Peter Parker found truest meaning, with great power come great responsibility. That a power we all have as mentors , friends and MOTHER AND FATHER. I am an over 67 and I grew up with many stories with Spider-Man and marvel comics. But I am finally glad too see a real story about how spider man grew to become a man.This how a hero storyline should end. NOT WITH DEATH BUT ENLIGHTENMENT. What best in life. Thanks for this life time ending. I will alway be Spider Man
Venom decided to fuck around and he proceeded to find out
That last panel made me confused. Did anyone see the bill board?
It almost looked like Dark Seid, lmao.
I believe it was a villain named Regent
Yeah. The avengers were completely wiped out and the villains basically won. But for Peter? It wasn’t any of his concern as long as it happened away from him.
@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 a really sucky mentality and moral here, the world and the future of not just your child but all people, or risk their safety to even attempt to make the future better. Cause hope right?
@@joelrobinson5457, I can see this being a milage may vary. The message I took from it is that sometimes recklessly sacrificing yourself isn't the best choice for one's life. Sometimes you don't have to be the hero, but a survivor who keeps his family alive over all else. At that moment, Spiderman could've chosen to be an avenger, died, or rescued his family and chose the latter. Whether it was right or wrong, it was the decision he made.
It isn't my mentality but the framework of this particular "what if" tale. Personally, I feel Peter would be much happier if he walked away from superhero since only Deadpool really appreciates him. Still, ever since One More Day, I've stopped believing Spiderman as the character and believe him to be merely an engine, a status quo in this otherwise vibrant universe. In the same way, Book of Boba killed my interest in the Mandalorian because they brought Grogu back because "this show doesn't sell without the kid. Morals be damned."
@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 I get how you feel bro
This is how the main Spider-Man comics should be. The story's so good it astounds me that Dan Slott wrote it.
Slott can be a good Spiderman writer when he's given the chance
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
@@zero28ism More like when he actually puts forth an effort.
Slott only wrote it like this because he knew it was just a one-off and not canon. He's completely against Spider-Man and MJ.
@@Animeaddiction
I can’t stand that jackass
Mj drops her signature line "face it (----) you just hit the jackpot.
Then the parker family fight together easily one of my favorite moments in the comics
This is one of the few Spidey's modern comic book stories that is actually pretty good. A clear example that you can write a great Spider-Man story without making him suffer.
Never ever ever.....go after MJ, Peter's daughter or anyone else associated with Spidey because he will make Liam Neeson's Taken look like a fun family outing.
DAMN! A happy ending where he does not die failing or lives a martyr hero or is too late or dies in process of saving everything? HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Basically just another story where Peter finds true happiness because he either becomes decides to do something about those ‘pesky morals’ or just stops being Spider-Man.
Peter when mass murderers: Gotta save everyone, even you
Peter when mass murderers mass murder HIS family:
Hey I can't blame him some lines need to be crossed once they had enough
Did you see what he did to Regent later in this storyline
@@haddy106 I didn't. Please tell.
@ Mo':
In those situations it was too late to save the people that had already been killed. Too late to stop the "mass murderers". Here he was fighting to save MJ & May. Different.
@@ronn-ammon8975 I mean he's tried to save mass murderers pretty much immediately after they tried to kill people, so not really? He doesn't only fight people after the fact.
It’s at times like this where Spider-Man’s breaking of the no kill rule doesn’t feel like brutality
I didn't know Renew Your Vows # 1 was this good. Thank you for the breakdown. If I ever I find one I'll get it.
2015 Renew Your Vows is the weakest part of it imo. When Gerry Conway took over in Renew Your Vows 2017, its much better than this. Peter, MJ and Annie all become superheroes and fight together as a family. Its a really cute, fun and wholesome comic.
The whole run is fantastic. Such a blast of sanity and reasonableness in comic books.
Ya idk what venom was thinking, maybe he thought it was a good day to die
Main continuity Spidey has a kill count in the double digits. He doesn't like to kill, he will try practically anything to not have to. Yet, he has been forced tot he point where killing is his only option enough times that villains are aware that if Spidey stops talking and cracking jokes you better be scared for your life. When he stops talking and wise cracking he is no longer Spider-Man, he is Peter Parker and Peter WILL KILL if he has to.
For some reason people think Spiderman is Batman with the whole "no killing ever" rule. You explained it well
I'm annoyed that they keep making Venom a full on villain
Meanwhile another comment I sae in this very video is someone saying they prefer Venom as a villain instead of a full-on anti-hero. No way for everyone to be happy.
Also I'm pretty sure this is a non-canon story anyway, Marvel would never kill the entirety of the Avengers off-panel otherwise.
What continuity is this.. cause that version of venom is mac garagen not eddie brock.
@@vision4860 True
@@PK-MegaLolCaTNo, Spidey clearly calls him “Eddie”, so that’s definitely Eddie Brock. They just gave him Gargan’s design for some reason.
@@vision4860 I think both are good, since his only true goal was to make Spidey miserable, and not necessarily be evil. but a little character development here and there.
Then we'd get the Lethal Protector. Plus we got Carnage for that anyways and among of symbiotes to feel the brute roll.
Mid comic
Ruins venoms character
Ruins Spiderman's character
Although the family dynamic was nice
Good thing it's not an original timeline cause if this ever happened I'd prolly loose respect for venom and Spidey
This part is not very good, but the 2017 series of Renew Your Vows is amazing. Peter is wiser and more mature in that run.
3:00 Spider-man could see the Avengers getting decimated, but was like... "nah, y'all can keep that membership. Imma head out"😒💀
I don't like how it's Eddie Brock that was the villain.
I can see Mac Gargan doing this but not Eddie anymore. Overall though I do like this version of Peter.
Eddie is better as a villain
@@bossmine3997 disagree, he should start off as a villain then anti-villain, then finally anti hero. Absolute Carnage only proved his personality being suited for regret than just hate.
@@trustworthyh3ro267 nah he should just be a villain because it's easier and that's how people remember him as
@@trustworthyh3ro267 and this is why I think ultimate venom is better because he's easier to understand and his morals aren't wack
@@bossmine3997 nah bro, that makes him very one note and nothing but a brute, the charming thing about Venom is that he is Spiderman's biggest "Opp" initially. With Eddie's and the Suit's aligned hatred towards Spidey made them the villain, constantly being tested by adversity and aiming it at the guy that strained your last nerve was his biggest relatable flaw. Spidey infected the symbiote by infecting it with his rage and selfishness, so unknowingly passing it on to the most emotionally unstable guy in the city was his fault.
Carnage woke him up from this flawed ideal that he shouldn't be focused solely on spidey. He knows all his grief was from his own actions. Similar to Peter not being a better person/hero. Eddie bonding with Venom was just two toxic people in a relationship.
He still don't like "Pete" as he calls him now and would rather never talk to him again cause neither one of them like each, but they do have a shared respect.
Plus Carnage is the only true symbiote baddie that can take Venom's place as a constant villain.
lol.
One issue for SM to unapologetically murder Venom, meanwhile I just came out of Itsy Bitsy Spider man and Deadpool, where Mephisto goes through a super convoluted plan to have SM kill someone.
Comics are mental.
This is pretty edgy, but totally fair, can't keep your family safe when the goo monster knows who you are I suppose
I also get the no kill rule when being an vigilante with no right to judge and kill. But if someone attacks your family thats just self defence, almost justified murder
Later on Rhino kidnapped Peter's daughter as a task for Normie Osborn (Harry's son). And even though it was Osborn who ordered him to do it, Peter went to the villain bar and beat the living CRAP out of him! Rhino said it was just business, but clearly even after years of trying to kill him, he doesn't know his nemesis at all.
For those wondering why Eddie Brock would threaten a child (and I maybe wrong), this looks like the Mac Gargan Venom if I'm not mistaken.
Dan Slott, actually.
I'm surprised i haven't found a video about scarecrow on this channel. Love that villain
You know that look more like scorpion-venom then actual venom
Absolutely favorite comic.
I loved this series so much. It was such a wonderful celebration of a loving family and a realistic depiction of rolemodel parents that should be encouraged. i.e. you and your spouse are a team & your family comes before your job.
That's probably the BEST ending to Peter's story he's ever got. I only with it was the true cannon.
If venom really tried and didn't go on and on with his various monologues I feel he might stand a chance. I mean in Deadpool in Deadpool kills the marvel universe again, venom wasn't acting cocky. He got right to the point and it ended with spider-man dead. There's plenty of times in their history where venom could have killed him. It's just eddie...and his arrogance.
Shi- *I don't blame spiderman* for solely focusing only on his family now the Avengers
*totally ditched his family to die*
Isn’t that Mac Gargan’s Venom? I might be wrong, but looks a lot like his Venom.
This looks like it might be the Mac Gargan version of Venom? Could be wrong though.
Eh, I don’t really like how this was.
I mean, we seen in comics that Venom is also a protector even fighting Spider-Man.
Seeing him has a kid hostage and even said he’d eat her just seems weird.
This 2015 run is probably the weakest run of Renew Your Vows. When it was revived later in 2017, it was much much better. We got to see Peter and MJ learning how to be a better parent and Annie learning how to be a superhero. Its a really cute, fun and wholesome comic.
Little confused, is he in the future at the end? They invented flying cars in New York before Peter Parker's hair turned grey?
iron man has suits that can do pretty much whatever he wants when parker is in highschool, Im pretty sure someones gotta be smart enough to make a car fly
A tech Supervillain took over that world for like 7 years before Spider-man finally decided to take him down.
Renew Your Vows was the Spider-Man series that SHOULD be canon, not that One More Day garbage.
The sad part about comics is that this gets completely retconned.
In like a week.
This is from an alternate universe run isn’t it?
This comic was never canon.
What? We got Renew Your Vows in 2017. It doesnt get retconned.
I always thought this was the logical conclusion to Peter's run as spider-man. Kinda what I thought the whole point of Ben and Miles was. It's like spider-man writers forgot that readers just want Peter to be happy, and that spider-man is a symbol for the heart and the good of nyc. This is a message for any mainstream comic writers: it's okay for spider-man to not be Peter Parker. It's been ~60 years, let the man rest, and tell some new stories.
It IS possible for Peter to continue being Spider-Man without being a perpetual sad-sack.
To me this is the canon ending for the Spider-Man series
Your voice is so soothing I need like a 30min story reading with you or sumn
Spider-Man literally just boxed Venom into a corner. Damn.
Nobody pulls the anime hero willpower shtick quite like Spidey. I feel like he's one of the few, if only, characters that earns it every time just because of how strongly he symbolizes the human condition in his respective medium. How many other fictional characters in any form of media can say that they singlehandedly _mainstreamed realistic drama_ into their genre?
It also helps that writers never let the reader forget his mortality. Spider-Man's last ditch efforts always feel appropriately desperate. They're impressive, but never glorious. He doesn't turn into a nonetailed fox demon and whip out a special attack, he breaks his arms punching, then proceeds to use his shattered pool-noodle limbs to slap his enemy off of a cliff.
Not trying to say Spidey's the most compelling character. He's a Mary Sue. But I do respect his asspull powers. They feel earned.
you use these words and dont know wgat they mean.
the very fact that Peter has to work for everything he has, the training, the tech modifications, paying the sodding bills, makes him most certainly, not a Mary Sue.
a Mary Sue is a character that lacks a significant development arc. like when Miles pokes somebody and paralyzes them, without ever learning to fight, he just wins fights, thats a Mary Sue power. when Rey in Star Wars can start using mind control and lightsabers without any real training, compared to Lukes development in the movies, shes a Mary Sue. they have powers, that they hardly have to develop, its just like christmas, one day, boom, you can do this now, how amazing, its childlike wish fulfillment, THAT is Mary Sue.
@@nyarlat2609
Mary Sue is a fluid term. But I'm not about to hash out trope semantics with a fan. That sounds like an impossible argument.
My point is that Peter Parker is an idyllic human being. Character development? Sure. But none of his _flaws_ are/were unlikable. His "flaws" are magnified because he lives in a world where every mistake is turned up to superhuman levels of catastrophe. If Spider-Man wasn't a spider man, he'd just be a really cool and super smart and super funny man that everyone wants to be, in the most boring soap opera ever written.
Many of his arcs are also asspulled. Because it's a mass produced comic with a revolving door of writers and artists. I'm not saying they weren't great stories. But let's not pretend Peter Parker is Anna Karenina. Peter was never a flawed human being. Give a guy 60+ years of traumatic stories, he's gonna seem _"well developed."_
But you're talking to a man who doesn't really see long-running comic book heroes as the sum of their parts. To take Spider-Man's entire series as canon doesn't even make sense, so let's not pretend "development" actually matters to Marvel. Especially nowadays.
Why would spidey even need to sell spidey pics? At this point, Tony could easily pay for Spidey's lifestyle to keep his family safe.
Where was this Spiderman in No Way Home when Goblin killed Aunt May?
i honestly feel like they’re gonna focus on his darker side in the next trilogy since apparently zendaya is coming back (i’m just hoping they don’t ruin the ending of nwh cuz what’s the point lmao)
I want to see more Peter/Spiderman as a father
Anyone know exactly what the background story was with the Avengers and other heroes dying/going missing? I'm not too well versed in things outside the usual Spider-Man things so I'm kinda in the dark on what's (implied to be?) going on there.
the avengers go up against a guy who can absorb powers and all die to him
@@gregadams5642 Gotcha, thanks.
@@gregadams5642 actually not die,he just captures them and basically uses them as batteries for their powers
SPOILER
Later on Spidey saves them and defeats him
This really doesn’t feel like eddie he wants to kill spidey but he usually doesnt hurt innocents to do it, this feels like Gargan
Good thing Marvel made Scorpion the host of the Venom symbiote at that time, otherwise Eddie & Pete wouldn’t be bros in the present.
Edit: 3:48 wait what did you say?!
This is how Spider-Man should've been written all these years.
You gotta see what he does to the Sinister Six in this story. Parker ain't playing.
You should had read the McFarlane era of Spidey comics, especially the title TORMENT. It was one of the darkest Spidey comics, aside the crossover with Wolverine when they hunt the Wendigo in Canada. That also was a heavy title dealing with child abuse and murder, and the Wendigo as the prime suspect. McFarlane's art at the time was the bomb, now is a bit weird, but the stories were solid. And of course their is the Venom introduction as co-creator Todd McFarlane worked on the arch.
@@EternalRoman Wendigo as in a villain named Wendigo, or an ACTUAL Wendigo, like the monster?
@@Going4Broke2528 Wendigo the character/monster in the Marvel comics that was iconic in Wolverine's first appearance as it also fought the Hulk.
Todd McFarlane when he drew Spider-Man, he illustrated a crossover with Wolverine set in Canada where the creature was accused of killing children. J. Jonah Jameson wanted the story to be covered and Peter went and he crossed paths with Wolverine, whom was in fact and surprisingly defending the Wendigo. The story took a darker turn as it was an actual human that was killing the children among other things too. I won't say more, look up the comic, you'll see that McFarlane era of Spidey comics were dark too, very dark.
@@EternalRoman Ahh I see, thanks for explaining!
@@Going4Broke2528 My pleasure 🙂
I like your videos. Short, objective, relevant comments. And ur cute.
And I agree that Venom as a pure villain is much cooler than his hero-ish versions. He looks pretty badass in that story.
Isn’t venom’s biggest weakness high pitched sounds or whatever?
Was that Eddie Brock? It looks more like Mac Gargan
They need to remake this whole uncle Ben dying routine into something different, I've had an idea but not sure about it, imagine one day Peter was getting a medecine for ant may, goes to the pharmacy and the pharmacy gets robbed cuz the crook needed medecine but couldn't afford it, Peter being the good guy tries to calm things down but instead gets shot In a place where it doesn't get healed unless they do something new, something risky, he goes unto surgery and the ppl there use a prototype cure that is web like that can hold the injury in place and heal it in time, he wakes up alive and well, and with a bitterness in his heart after hearing that the guy who robbed the place robbed him of giving his aunt the medicine she needed to stay alive, she dies and he goes through tough time, will discovering the. Changes and effects the surgery had on him, like the webs evolving throughout his body and coming out of his hands and healing powers, he goes after the guy and the journey goes on... Now the story is half baked since I made this up like 2 minutes before typing this so yeah.. Needs some more to be fully done.
Their last fight till the timeline goes through another reset again
This story is good but i want to know why heros are dying can someone tell me why
extremely out of character righting for venom
They drew venom really well in this. Sometimes he looks terrible.
I call bs on two things here. 1, Eddie would never harm Spider-Man's daughter. Venom protects and cherishes innocence. Even when he was unhinged back in the Michelinie days,it was beef between him and Spidey and no one else. 2, Hulk is immortal now, some of the other Avengers will die being as they are mortals but as long as there is a green door or even a red door, The Hulk will always return no matter what damage is dealt to his body. Those 2 errors took me out of the story completely. Should've used the Green Goblin instead of Venom and have the Hulk doing his own bit away from everyone else.
This is an alternate universe so Venom isn't acting like himself.
I agree this should have been GG, Carnage would also work very good.
This should happen with (super)heroes. It's a way to pass on the torch and give them growth. You won't stay stuck with the same characters and you can mix it up. Miles could be the next Spider-man and you could eventually end his ark with a new Spider-Man/Woman and so on.
We need people to know that Venom isn’t a bad guy.
old comic bro.
@@77wolfblade tv still counts
@@77wolfblade still wrote out of character. Venom spooked Mary Jane to draw Peter out early in his history, but he didn't touch her. Harming Peter's family members has been something he wouldn't stoop to since forever
@@ecallahan9913 different times and it seems the symbiote has gone through some things that’s made it desperate
LOL
Such a disrespect to Spiderman. He finally gets to unleash his strength but venom gets up and chases after mj like nothing and king pin survives getting hit with him not holding back? His strength literally gave him no advantage. Literally like he was punching the same, the only difference was just the dialoge. But the fight scene is the same weather he held back or not. So stupid.
Finally a spiderman story that doesnt have peter having depression
I feel like this would have worked better with Carnage instead of Venom. Carnage is more murderous and vicious than Venom. Carnage is weaker to fire than Venom, whereas Venom is weaker to sonics. Could make it a thing of "Carnage kills so much that Spider-Man is forced to kill to rid the world of him but does that potentially leave the door open for him to become a killer/Spider-Carnage".
Btw this takes place in an alternate universe which is why Venom is acting so different.
But I agree this should have been Carnage instead or someone like Green Goblin or Morlun.
@@Raccon_Detective. Fair point.
Wait, aren't that was Gargant? You know the scorpion?
This takes place in an alternate universe where Eddie Venom looks and acts more like Gargan Venom.
"A Hero is someone who sacrifices his family to save the world, a Villain is someone who sacrifices the world to save his family"
-idk
MJ in this comic is badass.
Damn, Venom really has that something-something. It's a shame he's a villain.
Well, he's not a villian his more like a lethal protector. But in this he is
@@UnlimitedIvory I think it’s gargan venom here which explains a lot
@@crabbyink9849 Yeah it looks like Mac Gargan Venom, but Mullet-Man says Eddie and Venom, so now I am confused.
@@kenblade7244 the writer didn't care if there was a difference.
Spider man my favorite marvel superhero 🕷🕸
This is why I personally believe that spider-man is a much better hero than Batman for a lot of reasons.
Spidey is a chump compared to Batman and a crybaby bag of emotional instability compared to Batman. Bruce would have planned for this. Peter once again shows his irresponsibility in overlooking how his villains would still pursue him even with a family.
@@sonicsucks20 wow we got a massive Batman fan over here. Also funny that your beginning statement is completely wrong and is actually the perfect example of what Batman is. After all, the guy can’t go two seconds without having a breakdown if he even sees his parents as ghosts. If you are just gonna be like this and stuff, then don’t bother replying or writing down a comment.
I like how he said he’s picking up moon knight’s and daredevil’s turf like he’s covering their shifts 💀
I wonder if he did the same thing to green goblin in this universe and killed aunt may too
I think yer talking about Hobgoblin and no that was an alternate universe (i mean this one to but...an alternate alternate universe)
and this is only issue 1
I love Renew your vows such a great story