I was trying to decide between getting the Yamaha or the ktm and this just made me go with the Yamaha. My current yz250f is 18 years old!! I got it new when I was 14, it is time for a new baby
Really enjoy your reviews 👍 Your comments regarding particular characteristics are so true. That Yamaha motor is impressive for it's displacement. I have a 2020 wr250f and down here in New Zealand 🇳🇿 they are not restricted like the US models, basically a yz 250f motor. At around 160 pounds in riding gear I don't need a 450!!
Have you tried the new 2024 yz250f yet? Im so torn between a 24 250sxf or the yz250f. Im just a C rider looking for the best option to hit the track and jumps with. Currently riding a 2023 250xc which I love in the woods, but unsure about it on the track and jumps. Thinking a 4 stroke might be the better way to go for that.
I hope to get a ride on a new '24 YZ250F this spring. I don't think the engine will be much different but the quicker handling and narrower chassis should feel better. 23 KTM 250XC TBI is a very fun bike - lightweight/quick revving/no engine braking. 4-strokes can be more confidence inspiring on the moto track - especially when learning a new jump. I tend to learn a track and the jumps on my 4-strokes first then go out on the 2-stroke. Any 250F will be very fun and easy to ride on a track and they will feel less powerful than your 23 250XC. I had a lot of fun on my 23 YZ450F and did a back to back with a 22 YZ250F... ua-cam.com/video/9jk6kcBT-8E/v-deo.html
Both great bikes, I have the new Crf & same yzf. Wrong on the Yzf with dust and dirt, it’s the worst filter cause in-traffic it becomes extremely dirty quickly.
I think you get the same dust and dirt in traffic along with the bike's rear wheel dust being thrown up with a regular airbox design (like the CRF). The YZ250F air is also smaller with less surface area to collect the dirt so like you I have found it does get dirty quickly. The downdraft cold air intake on the YZ250F is good for making power - wonder if the all new 2023 YZ450F air intake system and shrouds will be much different from the current design?
What camera do you use? I want to get something I think it would be awesome to be able to share my experience with my family and friends. I don’t have any clue really where to begin picking out a camera, it just needs to get decent quality and be able to attach correctly to my helmet or whatever
I use a GoPro Black 7 camera, Dango GoPro mount, GoPro mic adaptor that I mount (tip tie) to the Dango mount, TNE 3.5mm Game microphone boom mic which I zip tie to the Dango so it ends up inside the chin bar of the helmet near my mouth. I think it works pretty good.
If you prefer mid to top end power and love to rev the bike and spend some money on dialing in the suspension the '23 KTM 250SXF is a great choice. If you like mini 450F style power with very good partial throttle torque feel (with a little less peak HP overall) and best in class suspension off the showroom floor hard to beat the YZ250F. I prefer the YZ250F overall. Here is a later review on my 22.5 KTM 250FE ua-cam.com/video/ix-LQiLQB24/v-deo.html Here is a later review of the '22 YZ250F ua-cam.com/video/7PppbflCDEQ/v-deo.html Here is my buddy Dave's 22.5 250FE with Vortex ignition and full Yoshimura RS12 exhaust and WP 6500 spring forks...now this bike I might pick over the YZ250F but it took some money ua-cam.com/video/L1f1syzFc00/v-deo.html Let me know which bike you decide to buy! Thanks for watching the channel!
I use the myKTM app on my phone and select the 21 KTM 250 Factory Edition (Troy Lee Designs). Then input my weight and rider skill information (I used Basic and 86 KG and 3 KG riding gear). I like the Enduro/Classic settings: Front 9.4 bar C18 R18, Rear C21 R20 and HSC 2.75....that is way softer than stock but works for my slow Vet speed on a rough moto track and also feels very good in the woods. Fast guys would not open things up this much. Just use myKTM app to get starting points - then dial them in for your riding. The key is I would not have some up with this combination of settings without the myKTM app. Does not cost anything to change clickers or fork pressure!
KTM has not added the 22.5 250/450 Factory Editions to the myKTM app garage section so the myKTM connectivity unit will not communicate with the new ECU. I hope KTM adds the 22.5 250/450FE's and the '23 SXF models to the garage soon
Have you been riding this factory edition much lately? I’m torn wether to get the 23 ktm 250 or the 350sxf. I honestly think I’ll be just as fast on this bike or faster than a 350. Plus a tad safer with less hp.
Austrian 350's (KTM/Husky/Gas Gas) are my favorite combination of power/weight/handling. I recently did a back to back 2023 KTM 250/350/450SXF ride on a simple track. Read the video description for detailed comments but the each bike has different characteristics.... ua-cam.com/video/PwQn_lKXeoA/v-deo.html
I’m a pretty new rider looking for a new bike. The main thing I’m looking for is better suspension then feel of the bike then power. Since I’m not pushing bikes to there full potential yet which bike would you recommend? Thanks
The Yamaha has the best off the showroom floor suspension which works for a wide range of riders skills/weights and track conditions. Plus the YZ250F has excellent low to mid power - like a mini 450F. I think if you are prioritizing suspension hard to beat a 22 YZ250F.
1 or 2 on the back could make a big difference. Yamahas always have the same feel. Every one of them since like 1993 🤣 They always work well right out of the box for the weekend warrior. I just despise wrenching on them! It’s like everything is an afterthought to that brand’s engineers.
Interesting to me the 2016 KTM 250SXF came with a 13/50 combo but the 2022 KTM 250FE has 14/51 - that is a big jump up. The new 250FE engine seems to make more power based on dyno testing by HP Performance YT channel and I like the long pull in 3rd gear on the KTM. The reverse head design on the YZ250F pulls clean cool air directly into a straight downdraft intake - perhaps this fundamental layout helps with the impressive partial throttle response and torque feel on the YZ250F. The stock KYB suspension on the YZ250F works for such a wide range of rider weights and skills from slow Vet guys like me to lightweight A-riders like my son. Wish KTM's came with KYB suspension!
@@mxengineer1 my XC is a 16' and I put a 14 on it. The 3-4 gear spacing is a little wider on the XC but the 14 is what it feels like it should have come with for what I ride. 13 felt like I was in no-man's land in corners. 2nd now pulls most corners smoothly and 3rd revs out long enough that I rarely encounter the too tallish 4th except for on long straights. That said, I could see the stock gearing being ok for GNCC (which is what it was made for 🤣). My 200SX is also 14/45. The 125SX was 13/5X. I'm going to try a 13 first, because right now second is a little too strong for fast corners unsettling me and the chassis and 3rd is a little too weak to carry third when the ground is soft. Might work good for a hard-pack slick track like Washougal. I solidified this feeling when I rode it back to back with my nephew's boringly good YZ250F. Yamaha has always done a real good job with setting the suspension up to have good hold up. They always have a nice damping feel up high in the stroke that doesn't let the chassis have a lot of movement. The chassis rides like Jet Lawrence looks 🤣 The KTMs ride like Barcia and I look (sidecar monkeys). This is not just a KYB thing. I had Hondas and Kawis back in the day and their KYB stuff never felt like the Yamahas of the same period (which felt exactly like the Yamaha as of today 🤣). Maybe they have a steeper headtube and longer swingarm/wheelbase or something. Not sure, never looked.
@@JohnHowerton137 Gearing is fun to play with and can help dial in an engine for your riding conditions. My older (pre 2015) 350XCF's came with 13/50 combo and I usually went to 13/51. My '21 350XCF came with 14/51 which works well for my light Vet moto and GNCC trail type riding. Some riders like the 13 CS for tighter more technical trails. Have not tried that yet.
@@mxengineer1 I think it’s hugely overlooked at the weekend warrior level. It’s so much cooler it blow all your money on shiny $1,200 pipes and motor mods that may or may not even be better than stock, than it is to buy a couple $23 JT steel sprockets and test gearing 🤣
@@JohnHowerton137 Yes gearing changes (sprockets) can be an economical way to dial in a bike to your specific riding...but a Ti/carbon exhaust sure looks cool!
Weight feeling in motion was similar between the bikes. The KYB suspension on the Yamaha sets the bar for off the showroom floor stock suspension that works for a wide range of rider skills and weights. The KTM seat and ergos were better overall (the YZ has the wide radiator shrouds and smaller cockpit).
Good job... looking more forward to the comparison to the Honda though :-D Yamaha has great suspension and motor, but it just doesn't feel like warm apple pie :-)
I have seat time on all of them now. The '22 CRF250R has those "just feel right" ergos and amazing cornering. The '22 YZ250F really sets the bar for suspension that is plush and controlled and an engine that feels like a 350, and KTM kind of combines traits from both with great handling/cornering/ergos and fun to ride engine. Looking forward to the Red/Blue/Orange back to back soon!
Nice test, but if you are going to test dirt bikes you need to be riding them in their intended rev range. For example, You can't test porches on a race track and never go above 300rpm or push through a corner. You would never know the potential. Same with the 250f. If you want the best low end power for a vet rider you just buy a 450. Ps the ktm looked better.
Thanks for the feedback. Always fun discussion on what bikes are best and how to evaluate them. There are lots of riders way faster than me. This is simply an engineer and real world rider (me) sharing what characteristics I felt when riding these very capable bikes back to back on this particular day. Funny you mention cars....I raced cars for many years and won a few pro driving championships. The Porsche GT3 is one of my favorite cars pushing hard on track (including the Nurburgring) and it is also a very fun everyday driver just putting around town!
@@mxengineer1 we have a lot in common. Levos, MX bikes etc.. Great content BTW. I liked your last review of the 250 ktm. I just gave in and after years of criticism got my first ktm. Racing woods a bit so I picked up a 2022 ktm 300xc and love it.
@@TroyCollier Yes we do! E-MTB's make me realized how cheap dirt bikes are! The KTM/Husky TPI bikes are very fun to ride with strong linear power (especially the 300). If rumors are true KTM will move to throttle body fuel injection on the 23 model 300XC and no oil injection...guess I better start saving up for a new 300;)
@@TroyCollier I totally suck at driving video games but do OK at the real thing. If you ever get a chance to take even a lap of the Ring it is worth the money and effort.
thanks but I meant to say was the yz250.pegs higher . but I'll be more interested in know about the peg to seat height between the Honda and Yamaha when you compare the 3 bikes. I been split between the crf and yzf and with really bad knees the distance would really makes a difference.
@@randytidwell5836 I believe the Hondas peg to seat height is greater than yamaha. So if you are tall the crf might feel more comfortable where the yammi is more cramped. I'm going off what mxengineer has said in previous testing videos and not personal experience mind you
@@randytidwell5836 The Honda has slightly more distance between the seat and footpegs (I don't have both bikes side by side now but my guess would be about 15mm difference). You could add lower footpegs and taller saddle to either bike to increase that distance.
Yes for WOT I know the KTM shows well on the dyno. It is the partial throttle response and roll on torque that feels stronger on the YZ250F. That direct clean cool air straight shot downdraft intake on the YZ250F may help with the engine response and roll on torque feel. Of course the all new KTM 250FE engine has and even shorter stroke than the current 250SXF. I am tempted to go back to 13/50 gearing on my 250FE (my 2016 KTM 250FE had 13/50 or 51).
@@mxengineer1 What most people don't truly put time to determine - is do both throttles open area at the same rate... and gearing is crucial to equalize testing
@@mxengineer1 If you study the two throttle body cams - shows some difference. I am NOT saying the yzf isn't fantastic....but what the body FEELS is a not a direct result of engine comparison. The engineers at yamaha have done a few things to give a perception of more power down low than other brands, and ktm for example has chosen for the RIDER to add power down low by opening the throttle more. As one engineer said to me in this discussion - people who chase MORE low throttle power - when their is more power to be had at said rpm at larger throttle openings - are foolish. That was HIS perspective - and one ktm chooses, but not a perspective I agree with on a 250f. Sooner or later I'll publish a video with power vs degrees of throttle opened for yzf and new ktm fe.
@@HPRaceDevelopment Yes KTM makes a 58 hp 450SXF feel easy to ride and controllable (takes plenty of throttle input) yet a 58 hp CRF450R feels almost scary in terms of small throttle inputs for big engine outputs. Looking forward to your throttle open comparison video!
@@mxengineer1 53 on my dyno ;) But totally agree. Same with yzf 450. very aggressive early. Not an actual powerhouse like most feel it is. We live in a wonderful era - things are too good. Go ride a pristine 90's 125 and it's a wake up call!
I have done a lot of comparison lap rides with a YZ250F and it always is a little slower (1~2 secs per laptime) though the engine and suspension are stellar. I seem to go faster (for a lap) on steel frame bikes.
i like yamaha kawa ktm all brands but i prefer ktms cuz they have more power (in my opinion and feeling) kawasaki is much smoother honda is unkilable and yamaha is just yamaha good bike
If you look at the KTM power/ torque curve, it makes all its power in the upper revs. You were not riding it even close to its sweet spot of power. You cant ride it like a YZ
Yes the fast guys will rev these 250F's properly! The YZ250F sets the bar for partial throttle response for a 250F and that makes the engine more responsive to any throttle inputs - especially at lower RPM's.
@@pipefitterdirtbikerider3013 One of the things I really like about KTM 450's is how smooth and controllable 58 hp can be in a 450 and also how light the KTM 450's are (though the updated 450 gained some weight). Keep an eye out on my channel as I rode my n32 22.5 KTM 450 Factory Edition in the woods and will post the video soon....a velvet sledgehammer!
No offense, but lap times don't matter unless you're fast as fuck and consistent. When you're slow, theres so many different factors to a lap time that it doesn't work. Also you're not fast enough to ride the KTM, you need to be at high rpms, which means you have to be fast to be fast.
No offense taken! I raced cars for years and won many races and championships and it all comes down to lap times so that is engrained in my approach to riding. I use lap times as a one method to quantify the difference between different bikes when I ride them back to back.
@@mxengineer1 well I bet they have some sort of device you can set on a track somewhere that when you go past it, it records your laps. Something cheaper than the transponders pros use, maybe that would be good for you, because hitting the watch, taking off and then trying to stop and reach it doesn't work. There's no way you can actually say the KTM was faster.
@@kx250fforlife Yes LitPro makes software with GPS hardware that tracks the complete lap with speed at every point around the track. Much more sophisticated than a stopwatch and can overlay multiple laps - most pro team use this style of timing. Lap times for me are just one data point in the back to back comparison rides.
I am equally slow on both bikes! YZ250F is still my favorite 250F off the showroom floor. Can't wait for Yamaha to apply the '23 YZ450F updates to the YZ250F.
I was trying to decide between getting the Yamaha or the ktm and this just made me go with the Yamaha. My current yz250f is 18 years old!! I got it new when I was 14, it is time for a new baby
I think you will really enjoy the new YZ250F. My good friend Becca Sheets won a few GNCC championships riding a YZ250F. bLUcRU!!!
brilliant! Thank you for the ride report you e-mailed me. Much appreciated! CU Steve
Really enjoy your reviews 👍 Your comments regarding particular characteristics are so true. That Yamaha motor is impressive for it's displacement. I have a 2020 wr250f and down here in New Zealand 🇳🇿 they are not restricted like the US models, basically a yz 250f motor. At around 160 pounds in riding gear I don't need a 450!!
WR250 with lights, plush off road setting in that wonderful KYB suspension, quiet exhaust, and a YZ250F engine....sounds like an awesome bike!
Nice video. I ride there at Grear's
Keep up the hard work 💪
Thanks, will do!
Have you tried the new 2024 yz250f yet? Im so torn between a 24 250sxf or the yz250f. Im just a C rider looking for the best option to hit the track and jumps with. Currently riding a 2023 250xc which I love in the woods, but unsure about it on the track and jumps. Thinking a 4 stroke might be the better way to go for that.
I hope to get a ride on a new '24 YZ250F this spring. I don't think the engine will be much different but the quicker handling and narrower chassis should feel better. 23 KTM 250XC TBI is a very fun bike - lightweight/quick revving/no engine braking. 4-strokes can be more confidence inspiring on the moto track - especially when learning a new jump. I tend to learn a track and the jumps on my 4-strokes first then go out on the 2-stroke. Any 250F will be very fun and easy to ride on a track and they will feel less powerful than your 23 250XC. I had a lot of fun on my 23 YZ450F and did a back to back with a 22 YZ250F... ua-cam.com/video/9jk6kcBT-8E/v-deo.html
Both great bikes, I have the new Crf & same yzf. Wrong on the Yzf with dust and dirt, it’s the worst filter cause in-traffic it becomes extremely dirty quickly.
I think you get the same dust and dirt in traffic along with the bike's rear wheel dust being thrown up with a regular airbox design (like the CRF). The YZ250F air is also smaller with less surface area to collect the dirt so like you I have found it does get dirty quickly. The downdraft cold air intake on the YZ250F is good for making power - wonder if the all new 2023 YZ450F air intake system and shrouds will be much different from the current design?
What camera do you use? I want to get something I think it would be awesome to be able to share my experience with my family and friends. I don’t have any clue really where to begin picking out a camera, it just needs to get decent quality and be able to attach correctly to my helmet or whatever
I use a GoPro Black 7 camera, Dango GoPro mount, GoPro mic adaptor that I mount (tip tie) to the Dango mount, TNE 3.5mm Game microphone boom mic which I zip tie to the Dango so it ends up inside the chin bar of the helmet near my mouth. I think it works pretty good.
How did the KTM break-in since the video? If you had to pick now what's your favorite for MX?
If you prefer mid to top end power and love to rev the bike and spend some money on dialing in the suspension the '23 KTM 250SXF is a great choice. If you like mini 450F style power with very good partial throttle torque feel (with a little less peak HP overall) and best in class suspension off the showroom floor hard to beat the YZ250F. I prefer the YZ250F overall. Here is a later review on my 22.5 KTM 250FE ua-cam.com/video/ix-LQiLQB24/v-deo.html Here is a later review of the '22 YZ250F ua-cam.com/video/7PppbflCDEQ/v-deo.html Here is my buddy Dave's 22.5 250FE with Vortex ignition and full Yoshimura RS12 exhaust and WP 6500 spring forks...now this bike I might pick over the YZ250F but it took some money ua-cam.com/video/L1f1syzFc00/v-deo.html Let me know which bike you decide to buy! Thanks for watching the channel!
Good stuff! Can you expound on your Ktm suspension settings that you’ve settled into for now?
I use the myKTM app on my phone and select the 21 KTM 250 Factory Edition (Troy Lee Designs). Then input my weight and rider skill information (I used Basic and 86 KG and 3 KG riding gear). I like the Enduro/Classic settings: Front 9.4 bar C18 R18, Rear C21 R20 and HSC 2.75....that is way softer than stock but works for my slow Vet speed on a rough moto track and also feels very good in the woods. Fast guys would not open things up this much. Just use myKTM app to get starting points - then dial them in for your riding. The key is I would not have some up with this combination of settings without the myKTM app. Does not cost anything to change clickers or fork pressure!
How did you add your FE to the Ktm app. It's not letting me.
KTM has not added the 22.5 250/450 Factory Editions to the myKTM app garage section so the myKTM connectivity unit will not communicate with the new ECU. I hope KTM adds the 22.5 250/450FE's and the '23 SXF models to the garage soon
Have you been riding this factory edition much lately?
I’m torn wether to get the 23 ktm 250 or the 350sxf. I honestly think I’ll be just as fast on this bike or faster than a 350. Plus a tad safer with less hp.
Austrian 350's (KTM/Husky/Gas Gas) are my favorite combination of power/weight/handling. I recently did a back to back 2023 KTM 250/350/450SXF ride on a simple track. Read the video description for detailed comments but the each bike has different characteristics.... ua-cam.com/video/PwQn_lKXeoA/v-deo.html
I’m a pretty new rider looking for a new bike. The main thing I’m looking for is better suspension then feel of the bike then power. Since I’m not pushing bikes to there full potential yet which bike would you recommend? Thanks
The Yamaha has the best off the showroom floor suspension which works for a wide range of riders skills/weights and track conditions. Plus the YZ250F has excellent low to mid power - like a mini 450F. I think if you are prioritizing suspension hard to beat a 22 YZ250F.
@@mxengineer1 thanks so much man
Which bike felt better/easier to hit jumps with?
They are both easy to ride. Perhaps a slight edge to the YZ250F because of the plusher KYB suspension.
Your video's are great.
Thank you!
1 or 2 on the back could make a big difference. Yamahas always have the same feel. Every one of them since like 1993 🤣 They always work well right out of the box for the weekend warrior. I just despise wrenching on them! It’s like everything is an afterthought to that brand’s engineers.
Interesting to me the 2016 KTM 250SXF came with a 13/50 combo but the 2022 KTM 250FE has 14/51 - that is a big jump up. The new 250FE engine seems to make more power based on dyno testing by HP Performance YT channel and I like the long pull in 3rd gear on the KTM. The reverse head design on the YZ250F pulls clean cool air directly into a straight downdraft intake - perhaps this fundamental layout helps with the impressive partial throttle response and torque feel on the YZ250F. The stock KYB suspension on the YZ250F works for such a wide range of rider weights and skills from slow Vet guys like me to lightweight A-riders like my son. Wish KTM's came with KYB suspension!
@@mxengineer1 my XC is a 16' and I put a 14 on it. The 3-4 gear spacing is a little wider on the XC but the 14 is what it feels like it should have come with for what I ride. 13 felt like I was in no-man's land in corners. 2nd now pulls most corners smoothly and 3rd revs out long enough that I rarely encounter the too tallish 4th except for on long straights. That said, I could see the stock gearing being ok for GNCC (which is what it was made for 🤣).
My 200SX is also 14/45. The 125SX was 13/5X. I'm going to try a 13 first, because right now second is a little too strong for fast corners unsettling me and the chassis and 3rd is a little too weak to carry third when the ground is soft. Might work good for a hard-pack slick track like Washougal. I solidified this feeling when I rode it back to back with my nephew's boringly good YZ250F.
Yamaha has always done a real good job with setting the suspension up to have good hold up. They always have a nice damping feel up high in the stroke that doesn't let the chassis have a lot of movement. The chassis rides like Jet Lawrence looks 🤣 The KTMs ride like Barcia and I look (sidecar monkeys).
This is not just a KYB thing. I had Hondas and Kawis back in the day and their KYB stuff never felt like the Yamahas of the same period (which felt exactly like the Yamaha as of today 🤣). Maybe they have a steeper headtube and longer swingarm/wheelbase or something. Not sure, never looked.
@@JohnHowerton137 Gearing is fun to play with and can help dial in an engine for your riding conditions. My older (pre 2015) 350XCF's came with 13/50 combo and I usually went to 13/51. My '21 350XCF came with 14/51 which works well for my light Vet moto and GNCC trail type riding. Some riders like the 13 CS for tighter more technical trails. Have not tried that yet.
@@mxengineer1 I think it’s hugely overlooked at the weekend warrior level. It’s so much cooler it blow all your money on shiny $1,200 pipes and motor mods that may or may not even be better than stock, than it is to buy a couple $23 JT steel sprockets and test gearing 🤣
@@JohnHowerton137 Yes gearing changes (sprockets) can be an economical way to dial in a bike to your specific riding...but a Ti/carbon exhaust sure looks cool!
Oh you live in ohio thats sick me too! What tracks do you ride around ohio
I ride Grear MX, Briarcliff, Route 62, and East Fork. Stop by and say hello if you see me at one of these tracks. What tracks do you ride?
@@mxengineer1 oh that’s sick I ride those tracks too! Route 62 is my local track
From what you remember, did the KTM feel lighter than the Yamaha? Did either one feel more comfortable than the other.
Weight feeling in motion was similar between the bikes. The KYB suspension on the Yamaha sets the bar for off the showroom floor stock suspension that works for a wide range of rider skills and weights. The KTM seat and ergos were better overall (the YZ has the wide radiator shrouds and smaller cockpit).
Is the Yam still on a cable clutch?
Yes - cable clutch (like the '22 CRF250R). The pull effort (especially with the ARC levers is very light on the YZ250F
Good job... looking more forward to the comparison to the Honda though :-D Yamaha has great suspension and motor, but it just doesn't feel like warm apple pie :-)
I have seat time on all of them now. The '22 CRF250R has those "just feel right" ergos and amazing cornering. The '22 YZ250F really sets the bar for suspension that is plush and controlled and an engine that feels like a 350, and KTM kind of combines traits from both with great handling/cornering/ergos and fun to ride engine. Looking forward to the Red/Blue/Orange back to back soon!
Nice test, but if you are going to test dirt bikes you need to be riding them in their intended rev range. For example, You can't test porches on a race track and never go above 300rpm or push through a corner. You would never know the potential. Same with the 250f. If you want the best low end power for a vet rider you just buy a 450. Ps the ktm looked better.
Thanks for the feedback. Always fun discussion on what bikes are best and how to evaluate them. There are lots of riders way faster than me. This is simply an engineer and real world rider (me) sharing what characteristics I felt when riding these very capable bikes back to back on this particular day. Funny you mention cars....I raced cars for many years and won a few pro driving championships. The Porsche GT3 is one of my favorite cars pushing hard on track (including the Nurburgring) and it is also a very fun everyday driver just putting around town!
@@mxengineer1 we have a lot in common. Levos, MX bikes etc.. Great content BTW. I liked your last review of the 250 ktm. I just gave in and after years of criticism got my first ktm. Racing woods a bit so I picked up a 2022 ktm 300xc and love it.
@@mxengineer1 I've raced a gt3 in Germany too on the ring.. But it was a video game. 😂
@@TroyCollier Yes we do! E-MTB's make me realized how cheap dirt bikes are! The KTM/Husky TPI bikes are very fun to ride with strong linear power (especially the 300). If rumors are true KTM will move to throttle body fuel injection on the 23 model 300XC and no oil injection...guess I better start saving up for a new 300;)
@@TroyCollier I totally suck at driving video games but do OK at the real thing. If you ever get a chance to take even a lap of the Ring it is worth the money and effort.
Were did you get the seat cover for the yz
That is a DCOR seat cover
is the yz yours. does the foot pegs seem higher than the ktm?
Both bikes are mine now. I don't feel the footpegs on the KTM are higher while riding both bikes back to back
thanks but I meant to say was the yz250.pegs higher . but I'll be more interested in know about the peg to seat height between the Honda and Yamaha when you compare the 3 bikes. I been split between the crf and yzf and with really bad knees the distance would really makes a difference.
@@randytidwell5836 I believe the Hondas peg to seat height is greater than yamaha. So if you are tall the crf might feel more comfortable where the yammi is more cramped. I'm going off what mxengineer has said in previous testing videos and not personal experience mind you
@@randytidwell5836 The Honda has slightly more distance between the seat and footpegs (I don't have both bikes side by side now but my guess would be about 15mm difference). You could add lower footpegs and taller saddle to either bike to increase that distance.
I always add lower pegs and tall seat. thanks.
Sweet!!!!
two great observations - ktm geared taller - yep. Ktm just open throttle more and power is there - yep.
Yes for WOT I know the KTM shows well on the dyno. It is the partial throttle response and roll on torque that feels stronger on the YZ250F. That direct clean cool air straight shot downdraft intake on the YZ250F may help with the engine response and roll on torque feel. Of course the all new KTM 250FE engine has and even shorter stroke than the current 250SXF. I am tempted to go back to 13/50 gearing on my 250FE (my 2016 KTM 250FE had 13/50 or 51).
@@mxengineer1 What most people don't truly put time to determine - is do both throttles open area at the same rate...
and gearing is crucial to equalize testing
@@mxengineer1 If you study the two throttle body cams - shows some difference. I am NOT saying the yzf isn't fantastic....but what the body FEELS is a not a direct result of engine comparison. The engineers at yamaha have done a few things to give a perception of more power down low than other brands, and ktm for example has chosen for the RIDER to add power down low by opening the throttle more. As one engineer said to me in this discussion - people who chase MORE low throttle power - when their is more power to be had at said rpm at larger throttle openings - are foolish. That was HIS perspective - and one ktm chooses, but not a perspective I agree with on a 250f. Sooner or later I'll publish a video with power vs degrees of throttle opened for yzf and new ktm fe.
@@HPRaceDevelopment Yes KTM makes a 58 hp 450SXF feel easy to ride and controllable (takes plenty of throttle input) yet a 58 hp CRF450R feels almost scary in terms of small throttle inputs for big engine outputs. Looking forward to your throttle open comparison video!
@@mxengineer1 53 on my dyno ;)
But totally agree. Same with yzf 450. very aggressive early. Not an actual powerhouse like most feel it is. We live in a wonderful era - things are too good. Go ride a pristine 90's 125 and it's a wake up call!
What track is this?
Grear MX just off Rt 70 in Zanesville, Ohio. Fun place to ride!
You looked faster and more comfortable on the Yamaha.
I have done a lot of comparison lap rides with a YZ250F and it always is a little slower (1~2 secs per laptime) though the engine and suspension are stellar. I seem to go faster (for a lap) on steel frame bikes.
i like yamaha kawa ktm all brands but i prefer ktms cuz they have more power (in my opinion and feeling) kawasaki is much smoother honda is unkilable and yamaha is just yamaha good bike
no connectivity on 23 models?
No connectivity unit is available to dealers at this time but I hope KTM can get some connectivity units built up later this year.
@@mxengineer1 but is possioble use on 23 ?
@@Mrrs6580 Should work on 22 and 22 models
Those RUTS are crazy🥷🏿
Good for evaluating steering precision!
Good job
Thank you!
If you look at the KTM power/ torque curve, it makes all its power in the upper revs. You were not riding it even close to its sweet spot of power.
You cant ride it like a YZ
Yes the fast guys will rev these 250F's properly! The YZ250F sets the bar for partial throttle response for a 250F and that makes the engine more responsive to any throttle inputs - especially at lower RPM's.
Both good bikes
Yes they are both very good bikes and very different in their approach to 250F's.
I got a 22 ktm 450 xcf I like way more than my 2017 Yz250f
@@pipefitterdirtbikerider3013 One of the things I really like about KTM 450's is how smooth and controllable 58 hp can be in a 450 and also how light the KTM 450's are (though the updated 450 gained some weight). Keep an eye out on my channel as I rode my n32 22.5 KTM 450 Factory Edition in the woods and will post the video soon....a velvet sledgehammer!
Now add the new honda to the mix!
Yes soon! I kinda of already have a feeling how it will do but riding them back to back is best!
No offense, but lap times don't matter unless you're fast as fuck and consistent. When you're slow, theres so many different factors to a lap time that it doesn't work. Also you're not fast enough to ride the KTM, you need to be at high rpms, which means you have to be fast to be fast.
No offense taken! I raced cars for years and won many races and championships and it all comes down to lap times so that is engrained in my approach to riding. I use lap times as a one method to quantify the difference between different bikes when I ride them back to back.
@@mxengineer1 well I bet they have some sort of device you can set on a track somewhere that when you go past it, it records your laps. Something cheaper than the transponders pros use, maybe that would be good for you, because hitting the watch, taking off and then trying to stop and reach it doesn't work. There's no way you can actually say the KTM was faster.
@@kx250fforlife Yes LitPro makes software with GPS hardware that tracks the complete lap with speed at every point around the track. Much more sophisticated than a stopwatch and can overlay multiple laps - most pro team use this style of timing. Lap times for me are just one data point in the back to back comparison rides.
Cause your slow on the yamie
I am equally slow on both bikes! YZ250F is still my favorite 250F off the showroom floor. Can't wait for Yamaha to apply the '23 YZ450F updates to the YZ250F.
@@mxengineer1 yeah! He went a bit slower on the 250f and the lap time could very because he hit his watch sooner or later