Z burst dash nerf is a good thing and only the ones who hate it are those who can't win the neutral and just want an easy access to backshots. You have highlvl players like NeogodGoku, Kuwa, Grandmaster, etc agree to this. People aren't using the new Highspeed dragon dash as much because it actually requires skills and creativity. It's not an auto dash into square like Zburst dash lol Only valid criticism is that yes, it does slow certain aspects like wanting to punish someone trying to go instant sparking whole or someone CONSTANTLY running.
@@mugen4516I agree but I don’t think saying everyone who wants it back are bad or whatever lol. Meeting in the middle wouldn’t hurt so much with it being 1.5
@ Maybe I was a bit too aggressive and that it's for sure not everyone. But I'm still confident that for the majority who wants it back, it's because they can't initiate in neutral. You at least had the self awareness to realize you depending on it and got better without it. Also one thing I forgot to add in regards to UI + wild sense. A great counter to just UI auto in general is to first lock him down with Ki blast and then do tap/evasion maneuver. It works so much better to bypass the auto. And when you flank them, i like to immediately use my heavy chain to ignore the auto activation as he turns around and only then start using the regular rush combos and mix in.
@@zkatom3773 Waste their skill points beforehand. It's so easy to trigger super perception in this game so your main goal should be to constantly make sure they don't have the required amount. Sure it can happen here and there but if they can always do it against you, there's a skill issue somewhere.
@@mugen4516 You have to understand that a good player will know you trying to bait him to waste his skill points. I am at top 50 on PC, I think I know how to read my opponents most of the time, and a good player will almost never super perception me, they rarely do that because it is much better to learn to vanish or SC.
@@divinity1495 if u zburst dash into a super u get put into a neutral situation again... Same with charged ki blasts or outright side stepped combod into a knockdown that goes into a neutral situation. It's like the community all of sudden has a high value of neutral now and y'all wanna be sitting around playing neutral pity pat all day lmfao. Nobody was saying I wanna play more neutral last patch
@ringzy I would rather get better at neutral than spam supers the whole match personally, I can't respect players that don't engage While I do miss the dash myself, it objectively lead to infinite backshots due to super counter being inconsistent and therefore unreliable. It should've costed 1.5 ki not 2
Not gonna lie as cheese as it was it was way more fun pre patch. Removing one bar z burst dash is what did it. All other changes were fine but just slowed the game down so much for no reason
A defensive mechanic must get nerfed at some point. This game provides too many ways to be defensive, super counter needs a longer frame cooldown because you should not be able to shut down engagement by constantly pressing up and square. And I put delay in this game is ridiculous I’m loosing matches because the game isn’t reading inputs and I can’t move out of any engagement because I’m locked in because of lag
@ how would you personally recommend to balance that out? Because if they nerf super counter how would you get to deal with back shots. Personally I would buff revenge counter to work from behind, make it work faster, and make it cost less.but idk
That’s all they need to do is make revenge counter work from behind and nerf super counter to add a 1 sec delay like bt3 did if you failed to super counter
Would rather play pre patch for sure and deal with the cheese jus to get the normal 1 ki bar z burst them changing it to 2 ki bars makes the game even more cheesy/boring
Can we all just agree that the game is mid at best or at least that’s my opinion. I played some matches a few hours ago and what I discovered is that the combos don’t even work in the game. The player can perception and block while you’re combining them. The game is constantly glitches and the combat in general is finicky. It’s like the game and its mechanics are patched together with glue.
The game isn't mid, the playerbase is what makes this game so infuriating to play. If you do any of these during a match, just know you're the problem : - Refusing to throw hands and only using supers - mashing vanishing assault to drop a combo, it's REALLY scummy and you know it. - Abusing perception, I don't mean using it to stop a combo, I'm talking about those that can't play neutral and are so scared the hold/spam perception, while there is counterplay people who do this suck at the game regardless
@@divinity1495 the mashing VA is what really used to get me. especially if its some unblockable user. Don't get me wrong sometimes ill vanish a super while solar flared, but like you really used VA 4 times, admittedly just to charge ki? They just need to buff z burst a tiny bit cuz this game is all about ki management. I'll toy around with the high speed dash
I used to have different colored braids usually black and white, but I’m broke and the person who did my hair moved so yee lol. In the future I’ll just have braids that are black and white usually
The Z burst dash was a necessary change in order for players to properly play neutral instead of relying on it too much, I think people just need to start utilizing the high speed dragon dash and cancels a lot more to go for mixups instead of relying on R2 + X if you don’t know what to do My biggest issue post patch is that defensive mechanics are now at an all time high the , perception, get away from me skills (AIS, AS, WS, EW) and shit like being able to perception and guard makes literally 50% percent of the match a guessing game whether or not they gonna block or perception and now you gotta figure out which mix ups hit what. Doesn’t help me that I’m on classic and standard niggas just have to press fuckin CIRCLE. I just fucking hate perception and I feel like with all the nerfs this patch it made it even stronger, if I heavy smash combo you and low sweep there’s no way you should perception the last hit, makes combos feel useless to learn
I completely agree. My biggest gripe is the delay and wild sense not activating consistently when I try to punish it/freezing me in place so I can’t punish it
I say this all the time standard controls have the game on easy mode in my opinion that’s what is ruining the game they should not be able to perception by just pressing circle
The combo drop glitch is the worst of them all you should not be able to spam vanishing assault and have it force a drop combo. Perception is ruining the game in my opinion and it’s due to the standard control set as you can press circle/B to input a move that is usually two inputs I believe you should have to go high/mid/low in order to perception mid combo. They need to add a 1 sec delay for failing a super counter just like BT3 did
I personally think post patch casual/player match/tournaments are likely better, but ranked? Oh it’s definitely worse. The game is legit DragonBall Sparking UI Goku… my god it’s absurd…
@@Prestiginii when you say “the sweats” you mean the hardcore T3 players who are just doing lame multi hit trip / sidestep heavy BS that has completely made the game a resident sleeper then yup you’re right. Esp in delay based netcode, playing the way these sweats do is just so exhausting to fight against the cheese is lame
You know what you’re talking about bro I’m so glad to see someone talkin about the real bs in this game rn, the vanish war glitch and the super counters, you can’t get anything off now
Z burst dash nerf is a good thing and only the ones who hate it are those who can't win the neutral and just want an easy access to backshots. You have highlvl players like NeogodGoku, Kuwa, Grandmaster, etc agree to this.
People aren't using the new Highspeed dragon dash as much because it actually requires skills and creativity. It's not an auto dash into square like Zburst dash lol
Only valid criticism is that yes, it does slow certain aspects like wanting to punish someone trying to go instant sparking whole or someone CONSTANTLY running.
@@mugen4516I agree but I don’t think saying everyone who wants it back are bad or whatever lol. Meeting in the middle wouldn’t hurt so much with it being 1.5
@ Maybe I was a bit too aggressive and that it's for sure not everyone. But I'm still confident that for the majority who wants it back, it's because they can't initiate in neutral. You at least had the self awareness to realize you depending on it and got better without it.
Also one thing I forgot to add in regards to UI + wild sense. A great counter to just UI auto in general is to first lock him down with Ki blast and then do tap/evasion maneuver. It works so much better to bypass the auto. And when you flank them, i like to immediately use my heavy chain to ignore the auto activation as he turns around and only then start using the regular rush combos and mix in.
How am I supposed to catch Yajirobe or any other regen character? They literally get to cheese the heck out of any skilled player if they wish to.
@@zkatom3773 Waste their skill points beforehand. It's so easy to trigger super perception in this game so your main goal should be to constantly make sure they don't have the required amount. Sure it can happen here and there but if they can always do it against you, there's a skill issue somewhere.
@@mugen4516 You have to understand that a good player will know you trying to bait him to waste his skill points. I am at top 50 on PC, I think I know how to read my opponents most of the time, and a good player will almost never super perception me, they rarely do that because it is much better to learn to vanish or SC.
This game needs to add more offensive options because having more defensive options than offense is weird.
This the only fighting game like that
Z burst dash was not a neutral skipper. You could punish tf outta zburst dash spammers , you had to set them up.
@@ringzy you’re still skipping neutral regardless if it’s punishable.
That's like saying in dbfz that lariat moves weren't neutral skippers, they are, they could just be punished if you blocked or reflected
@@divinity1495 if u zburst dash into a super u get put into a neutral situation again... Same with charged ki blasts or outright side stepped combod into a knockdown that goes into a neutral situation. It's like the community all of sudden has a high value of neutral now and y'all wanna be sitting around playing neutral pity pat all day lmfao. Nobody was saying I wanna play more neutral last patch
@ringzy I would rather get better at neutral than spam supers the whole match personally, I can't respect players that don't engage
While I do miss the dash myself, it objectively lead to infinite backshots due to super counter being inconsistent and therefore unreliable. It should've costed 1.5 ki not 2
@@divinity1495 "objectively lead to infinite back shots" 😭😭😂😂
Not gonna lie as cheese as it was it was way more fun pre patch. Removing one bar z burst dash is what did it. All other changes were fine but just slowed the game down so much for no reason
Yeah like the game is more balanced but there’s still bad things about it and the z burst dash helped remedy some of the annoyances with the game
A defensive mechanic must get nerfed at some point. This game provides too many ways to be defensive, super counter needs a longer frame cooldown because you should not be able to shut down engagement by constantly pressing up and square. And I put delay in this game is ridiculous I’m loosing matches because the game isn’t reading inputs and I can’t move out of any engagement because I’m locked in because of lag
Yeah it's broken I think they should at least change something
@ how would you personally recommend to balance that out? Because if they nerf super counter how would you get to deal with back shots. Personally I would buff revenge counter to work from behind, make it work faster, and make it cost less.but idk
That’s all they need to do is make revenge counter work from behind and nerf super counter to add a 1 sec delay like bt3 did if you failed to super counter
I think my main issues right now for the game are the servers being unstable and the input issues.
That’s the biggest issue
@ fr bc I'll be tryna combo and then it'll either stop, or ki spam
@@ShnarkNarc4 it’s because people are mashing it’s a bug
@@ShnarkNarc4 if your enemy spams Vanish Assault, your combo drops. thats also an indicator that your opponent is a dog
Would rather play pre patch for sure and deal with the cheese jus to get the normal 1 ki bar z burst them changing it to 2 ki bars makes the game even more cheesy/boring
Super slow paced I hate it
@@Prestiginii doesn’t feel like dragon ball anymore
1.25 bars for z burst dash, 0.25 bars for activating perception! And making revenge counter a better option somehow could be interesting
That would be interesting I want them to slightly revert it
android 20 is still fun and it is balanced now, only problem in comp is fusions having a hp advantage but what can you really do
@@brofister9682 yeah and gogeta 4 could use a slight damage nerf
Miss the z burst dash 😢
@@hugorthegreat4081 same a lil I can’t lie
Z ranks know how to combo loop, it’s a good patch
Now learn how to actually play neutral lol
Sparking and holding to spark still waaaay to powerful.
It’s toxic
Only thing I would change is tha z burst dash cost to be 1 and a half bars of ki, dat'z it...everything else is fine
nah perception mashing gotta go
Yo I didn't kno android 19 and dr Gero could grab you and it will get rid of your Sparking
WTF me either lmao
I got so many peeps that way soon as they spark up im taking it 😂
@MoZa_TV 😭😂
Yep it’s insane
my favorite thing about them
I saw it live first😤Post patch all day🤟🏾
@@justcallmesage2279 gonna make another one today 😎
@ I’ll catch you then 🤝🏾
When you are going through lists in videos, is it possible to put up a chart in the corner? Bullet points, and stuff?
@@liggerstuxin1 wym like the points I’m making ?
Goated 🐐 🤫
You know it
Can we all just agree that the game is mid at best or at least that’s my opinion. I played some matches a few hours ago and what I discovered is that the combos don’t even work in the game. The player can perception and block while you’re combining them. The game is constantly glitches and the combat in general is finicky. It’s like the game and its mechanics are patched together with glue.
It’s poorly optimized and they need to
Fix that. It would alleviate a lot of
Issues
The game isn't mid, the playerbase is what makes this game so infuriating to play.
If you do any of these during a match, just know you're the problem :
- Refusing to throw hands and only using supers
- mashing vanishing assault to drop a combo, it's REALLY scummy and you know it.
- Abusing perception, I don't mean using it to stop a combo, I'm talking about those that can't play neutral and are so scared the hold/spam perception, while there is counterplay people who do this suck at the game regardless
@@divinity1495 the mashing VA is what really used to get me. especially if its some unblockable user. Don't get me wrong sometimes ill vanish a super while solar flared, but like you really used VA 4 times, admittedly just to charge ki? They just need to buff z burst a tiny bit cuz this game is all about ki management. I'll toy around with the high speed dash
you ever think of dyeing your hair?
I used to have different colored braids usually black and white, but I’m broke and the person who did my hair moved so yee lol. In the future I’ll just have braids that are black and white usually
@ gotta get them ultra instinct power ups from the white braids
The Z burst dash was a necessary change in order for players to properly play neutral instead of relying on it too much, I think people just need to start utilizing the high speed dragon dash and cancels a lot more to go for mixups instead of relying on R2 + X if you don’t know what to do
My biggest issue post patch is that defensive mechanics are now at an all time high the , perception, get away from me skills (AIS, AS, WS, EW) and shit like being able to perception and guard makes literally 50% percent of the match a guessing game whether or not they gonna block or perception and now you gotta figure out which mix ups hit what. Doesn’t help me that I’m on classic and standard niggas just have to press fuckin CIRCLE. I just fucking hate perception and I feel like with all the nerfs this patch it made it even stronger, if I heavy smash combo you and low sweep there’s no way you should perception the last hit, makes combos feel useless to learn
I completely agree. My biggest gripe is the delay and wild sense not activating consistently when I try to punish it/freezing me in place so I can’t punish it
I say this all the time standard controls have the game on easy mode in my opinion that’s what is ruining the game they should not be able to perception by just pressing circle
Game was terrible, now still terrible
The combo drop glitch is the worst of them all you should not be able to spam vanishing assault and have it force a drop combo. Perception is ruining the game in my opinion and it’s due to the standard control set as you can press circle/B to input a move that is usually two inputs I believe you should have to go high/mid/low in order to perception mid combo. They need to add a 1 sec delay for failing a super counter just like BT3 did
I personally think post patch casual/player match/tournaments are likely better, but ranked? Oh it’s definitely worse. The game is legit DragonBall Sparking UI Goku… my god it’s absurd…
That’s a good point but I think other player who play different characters left and now it’s a bunch of sweats
@@Prestiginii when you say “the sweats” you mean the hardcore T3 players who are just doing lame multi hit trip / sidestep heavy BS that has completely made the game a resident sleeper then yup you’re right. Esp in delay based netcode, playing the way these sweats do is just so exhausting to fight against the cheese is lame
You stream late huh? Work during the day and hustling for subs at night?
@@liggerstuxin1 yessir lol get off make a video/ chill then stream
Sorry audios ass my setting got messed up lmao
The game is just terrible now and unplayable I don’t like it anymore
Damn near
@ I need them to bring everything back
You definitely rage quit didn’t ya
@ no
@ no I didn’t
You know what you’re talking about bro I’m so glad to see someone talkin about the real bs in this game rn, the vanish war glitch and the super counters, you can’t get anything off now
@@ryanghraizi5431 I got you with them discussions. I genuinely care about this game so I know a thing or two
If u like this game before the patch pls leave and go back to xenoverse we don’t need u here.
I don't play online but the gameplay feels off to me. I just dropped the game.