Huzzah! Nicely done. Thanks again for putting this together. A lot of fun was had by all. P.S. where are all the CRTs? LOL! Old man shakes fist at clouds 😛
regarding your IPXSETUP issue: have you tried to use a newer version of the EXE? Found this on the net: NOTE! In early versions of IPXSETUP, if you abort the connection attempt, or IPXSETUP reports "Illegal game packet encountered during setup", then IPXSETUP will exit, leaving the socket open. If you try to run IPXSETUP again, it will say: Open socket: 0xff and you will have to reboot to close it. Don't forget to reload your PD and IPXPD. If DOOM terminates normally, IPXSETUP closes the socket correctly, and you can relaunch DOOM via IPXSETUP or SETUP. Later versions of IPXSETUP close the socket gracefully if you hit ESC, but if you CTRL-BREAK out, it will leave the socket open and you will have to reboot.
Interesting... thanks for finding that! I believe I only used the registered 1.2 version for that LAN party, but I'll have to try later versions next time.
Takes me back! I hosted a regular LAN party back in the day. I used 486DX2-66 machines with SCSI. I upgraded to DOS 6.22 as it had the wait command. I was able to create a batch file that presented the player with a choice screen to save typing out all those commands! I also had a second drive in there with just the WAD files so you could select what WAD file to play in multiplayer. I do miss those parties!
@@TalesofWeirdStuff Yeah - we moved over to Duke Nukem 3D, (that's when I had to upgrade my hardware) then Half Life, followed by Counter Strike. Most people where able to play online (a mixture of 56k, 128k ISDN & 1M lines), so around the time Serious Sam came out the Lan parties stopped being a thing... ;-(
When I was in highschool in 1999 I had 4 old 486 computers networked with coax that my friends and I played Doom, Duke Nukem, and Shadow Warrior on. They were all IBM 486 50 sx computers with Pentium 75 overdrive chips. Theu had a ton of ram also. Probably 32mb. All had full length ESS soundcards. The network was all 3com so easy to set up in dos. I also had windows 3.1 for file management. Lots of good times playing dos games. My brother and i used to play doom together before that with a nul modem cable. I no longer have the computers but i still have the overdrive chips, network cards, and soundcards.
I never used those cards back in the day, but I know a bunch of my friends did. I got off ISA network cards pretty quickly in favor of the Digital tulip PCI cards.
For sure. I remember oddly, I guess seeking out the Dec tulip ones for my early Linux boxes. And that one guys name always associated with it with the NASA email address in the kernel messages. Funny what sticks in your head. Also, I think the older cards I meant were the 3c509. I always get those transposed! 905 was the PCI right? I need to dig up some arcnet stuff for a video. My home school district/first job was all arcnet for the longest time. I think they got a deal on some gear from a rip and replace.
I've been tryin'! :) The video I intended to publish last week has been significantly delayed due to poor project management. Lol. I'm hoping to get it out today or tomorrow.
@@TalesofWeirdStuff No worries! Looking forward to it! I think as long as the content isn't coming out more than a month between videos, most subs will keep coming. I'll share your channel when I can. Thanks again.
I remember from Quake lan party days that if you put both TCP/IP and IPX protocol on the same network adapter in Windows 95, then the machine would not boot at all. Fun times.
I did a lot more Quake LAN gaming than Doom, so that's where most of my memories were. Most of what I remember was... being very happy when the Win95 version became available because it made the networking so much easier. :)
Had a similar experience recently. Good to have a video reference of the setup process, as there are loads of written guides but they can be harder to follow for some. Actually couldn't get IPX working on more than 2 computers myself, so hats off for achieving that! I gave up in the end and went with TCP instead. Less straightforward on the command-line but works flawlessly.
I remember having played Doom via 28.8k modem with a friend in '95 for hours and hours. We had great fun playing some custom map pack in coop. No flatrate back then, so the next bill was kind of expensive ;-)
hahaha reminds me so mch of the lan parties back in the day. Half the time we would resort to using serial and parallel cables to play. Novell netware IPX SPX seemed to be the most reliable for gaming.
well done! very entertaining. yes untested... very suspect. i only played doom 1v1 over the modem with my one friend who also had a 486 and doom and a modem. CTRL G 4va!
Did you have the opening ceremonial speech? Must be presented from the adjacent room, of course. **clears throat** "WHO THE HELL IS PLAYING DOOM?! I'M TRYING TO UPLOAD THE LOTUS SPREADSHEET BEFORE THE DEADLINE!"
You know what would be cool? Someone making a source port of Doom (and other great games) for DOS that adds TCP/IP networking; some ethernet cards possibly a WIFI card for DOS (they exist for old 8-bit micros so it's not farfetched) and then you can play the old games so much easier multiplayer.
I think someone may have done a TCP/IP port of DOS Doom. I could have sworn that I heard of such a thing once. Most of those wifi adapters for 8-bit micros connect over the serial port, so they should Just Work ™️ on DOS PCs.
@@TalesofWeirdStuff The software and drivers coming with it are for those 8-bit micros though. Besides, DOS PCs have those lovely slots where networking cards historically already go.
Huzzah! Nicely done. Thanks again for putting this together. A lot of fun was had by all. P.S. where are all the CRTs? LOL! Old man shakes fist at clouds 😛
I was fun! Maybe next time... we'll have to do a traveling Half-Life LAN party. :grin:
regarding your IPXSETUP issue:
have you tried to use a newer version of the EXE?
Found this on the net:
NOTE!
In early versions of IPXSETUP, if you abort the connection attempt, or
IPXSETUP reports "Illegal game packet encountered during setup", then
IPXSETUP will exit, leaving the socket open. If you try to run IPXSETUP
again, it will say:
Open socket: 0xff
and you will have to reboot to close it. Don't forget to reload your
PD and IPXPD. If DOOM terminates normally, IPXSETUP closes the socket
correctly, and you can relaunch DOOM via IPXSETUP or SETUP.
Later versions of IPXSETUP close the socket gracefully if you hit ESC,
but if you CTRL-BREAK out, it will leave the socket open and you will
have to reboot.
Interesting... thanks for finding that! I believe I only used the registered 1.2 version for that LAN party, but I'll have to try later versions next time.
Takes me back! I hosted a regular LAN party back in the day. I used 486DX2-66 machines with SCSI. I upgraded to DOS 6.22 as it had the wait command. I was able to create a batch file that presented the player with a choice screen to save typing out all those commands! I also had a second drive in there with just the WAD files so you could select what WAD file to play in multiplayer. I do miss those parties!
That sounds like an awesome setup. I love it! I want to do another project like this for some later games. Maybe there will be a video.
@@TalesofWeirdStuff Yeah - we moved over to Duke Nukem 3D, (that's when I had to upgrade my hardware) then Half Life, followed by Counter Strike. Most people where able to play online (a mixture of 56k, 128k ISDN & 1M lines), so around the time Serious Sam came out the Lan parties stopped being a thing... ;-(
When I was in highschool in 1999 I had 4 old 486 computers networked with coax that my friends and I played Doom, Duke Nukem, and Shadow Warrior on. They were all IBM 486 50 sx computers with Pentium 75 overdrive chips. Theu had a ton of ram also. Probably 32mb. All had full length ESS soundcards. The network was all 3com so easy to set up in dos. I also had windows 3.1 for file management.
Lots of good times playing dos games.
My brother and i used to play doom together before that with a nul modem cable.
I no longer have the computers but i still have the overdrive chips, network cards, and soundcards.
Yow 3c905b! There's a name I've not heard in a while. That's unlocking some memories right there! :-D
So many memories got unlocked during our networked Doom game night. It was a lot of fun!
I never used those cards back in the day, but I know a bunch of my friends did. I got off ISA network cards pretty quickly in favor of the Digital tulip PCI cards.
For sure. I remember oddly, I guess seeking out the Dec tulip ones for my early Linux boxes. And that one guys name always associated with it with the NASA email address in the kernel messages. Funny what sticks in your head. Also, I think the older cards I meant were the 3c509. I always get those transposed! 905 was the PCI right? I need to dig up some arcnet stuff for a video. My home school district/first job was all arcnet for the longest time. I think they got a deal on some gear from a rip and replace.
Donald Becker!
Subbed. Thanks for continuously producing content.
I've been tryin'! :) The video I intended to publish last week has been significantly delayed due to poor project management. Lol. I'm hoping to get it out today or tomorrow.
@@TalesofWeirdStuff No worries! Looking forward to it! I think as long as the content isn't coming out more than a month between videos, most subs will keep coming. I'll share your channel when I can. Thanks again.
I remember from Quake lan party days that if you put both TCP/IP and IPX protocol on the same network adapter in Windows 95, then the machine would not boot at all. Fun times.
I did a lot more Quake LAN gaming than Doom, so that's where most of my memories were. Most of what I remember was... being very happy when the Win95 version became available because it made the networking so much easier. :)
That brings back memories.
Me too. :) It was both good and bad that way. I had forgotten what a hassle some of this stuff was.
Had a similar experience recently. Good to have a video reference of the setup process, as there are loads of written guides but they can be harder to follow for some. Actually couldn't get IPX working on more than 2 computers myself, so hats off for achieving that! I gave up in the end and went with TCP instead. Less straightforward on the command-line but works flawlessly.
During the process, I shouted to the gods, "How did we even use computers?!?" more than once. Lol
Wrong kind of retro computing experience? Sounds pretty period accurate to me 😉
Jokes aside, nice video! You made a subscriber out of me. Cheers!
It's the accurate experience for sure. It's just not what I first remember through the fog of time. 😂
I remember having played Doom via 28.8k modem with a friend in '95 for hours and hours. We had great fun playing some custom map pack in coop. No flatrate back then, so the next bill was kind of expensive ;-)
Oh snap! I can't even imagine the look on your face when you saw that phone bill!
@@TalesofWeirdStuff I do remember my moms face quite vividly though ;-) It was about 300$. No kidding. All invested into exploding Cacodemons.
@@Shmbler GOD I bet your mother switched to broadband asap
hahaha reminds me so mch of the lan parties back in the day.
Half the time we would resort to using serial and parallel cables to play.
Novell netware IPX SPX seemed to be the most reliable for gaming.
For me, the best thing about games moving to Windows 95 was TCP/IP networking. It was so much easier to deal with!
well done! very entertaining. yes untested... very suspect. i only played doom 1v1 over the modem with my one friend who also had a 486 and doom and a modem. CTRL G 4va!
Did you have the opening ceremonial speech? Must be presented from the adjacent room, of course. **clears throat** "WHO THE HELL IS PLAYING DOOM?! I'M TRYING TO UPLOAD THE LOTUS SPREADSHEET BEFORE THE DEADLINE!"
Or... "Who's taking down the campus network? I need to finish my term paper!" :rofl:
You know what would be cool? Someone making a source port of Doom (and other great games) for DOS that adds TCP/IP networking; some ethernet cards possibly a WIFI card for DOS (they exist for old 8-bit micros so it's not farfetched) and then you can play the old games so much easier multiplayer.
I think someone may have done a TCP/IP port of DOS Doom. I could have sworn that I heard of such a thing once. Most of those wifi adapters for 8-bit micros connect over the serial port, so they should Just Work ™️ on DOS PCs.
@@TalesofWeirdStuff The software and drivers coming with it are for those 8-bit micros though. Besides, DOS PCs have those lovely slots where networking cards historically already go.
thats the ghetto lol making the screen smaller on 386 not to lag
Yeah, I gave him some crap about doing that at the Doom party LOL!
It seemed like that computer was faster at Doom in the 486buildoff video. I'll investigate that more for the next video. 🤷♂️
@@TalesofWeirdStuff I think in your 486buildoff video you were using more cowbell...
uefi bios drivers, no need for drivers
when all devices would be bios-compatible
os driver burden not necessary, implement the necessary api's directly
why are 1990 hardware so bad in quality
"card is bad"
especially those 3com cards