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  • Опубліковано 18 сер 2021
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  • @swordandshield
    @swordandshield  Рік тому

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  • @FredrikHaugen
    @FredrikHaugen 2 роки тому +20

    Love how you protect your sword hand behind the shield AND use the shield as an offensive weapon.

    • @Hordalending
      @Hordalending 2 роки тому +2

      Yes! This is something unfortunately completely rejected by movies, the fact that the shield weren't for decoration but were indeed a powerful weapon in itself

    • @FredrikHaugen
      @FredrikHaugen 2 роки тому +2

      @@Hordalending You mean those few times they have a shield they are all treated as heater (knights) shield, even using straps instead? Taking all blows on the face part instead of the rim?
      And let us not even go into the sad affair of helmets, or their lack of. And all movie armor, from gambeson to plate, is as effective as wet cardboard.

  • @torstenscott7571
    @torstenscott7571 2 роки тому +12

    What I have always enjoyed about these videos is the demonstration of true fighting skills. The subtle changes in the distance, angling, pressure, and relaxed serpentine like movements to create or flow to openings in the defenses of opponents. This is in stark contrast to the exaggerated athletic ( and highly telegraphed ) movements of actors in Viking themed TV shows and movies. Efficiency and cunning are better tools than mindless strength, thanks for the great content and lessons.

    • @swordandshield
      @swordandshield  2 роки тому +5

      Thank you for your kind words. I am always delighted when a viewer sees and appreciates such aspects and qualities.

    • @torstenscott7571
      @torstenscott7571 2 роки тому +3

      @@swordandshield thanks for the years of hard work, research, and presentation needed to share such knowledge.

    • @ButchersBlues
      @ButchersBlues 2 роки тому +2

      Fantastic analysis.

    • @the_rover1
      @the_rover1 2 роки тому +1

      if people were using their weapons in combat as pictured in TV shows, most of the swords, shields and lances would either be blunt, broken or unusable within minutes.

    • @torstenscott7571
      @torstenscott7571 2 роки тому

      @@the_rover1 very true, not to mention they would often be killed when overextended and off balance, when telegraphing dramatic movement, and exhausted from using unnecessary skeletal muscle tension when it is not needed.

  • @blebgoegbleb
    @blebgoegbleb 2 роки тому +7

    I love it when you post you bouts, it's always fun. You're such an inspiration keep up the great content! :)

  • @jonescantfight4677
    @jonescantfight4677 2 роки тому +2

    Great video as always

  • @AdarBlu
    @AdarBlu 2 роки тому +4

    Watch the video once at normal speed and then rewatch it at double the speed.

  • @The_Mad_King
    @The_Mad_King 2 роки тому +2

    The shield was an extremely pro active weapon in its own right. The shield would be turned to throw an incoming blow to the side while a strike from your axe can hit a strategic spot on the opponent. Sword would be even better as it had the larger sharpened heavy length. Man I love this stuff. I think the shield was the most important part

  • @hafniaanonymous7605
    @hafniaanonymous7605 2 роки тому +2

    Nice work =) thank you for sharing

  • @kencoffman7145
    @kencoffman7145 2 роки тому +9

    Roland, I truly love all your videos thanks for your work. Skalligrim just posted a video featuring footage of African stick and shield fighting and I can't help but see similarities between that and the way you combine sword and shield. I'm totally looking from an untrained eye so I may be completely wrong too lol.

    • @swordandshield
      @swordandshield  2 роки тому +9

      Anatomy and physics set the parameters of what a body can do in combat. So no wonder that martial arts come to similar solutions irrespective of region and period. In fact, this is the prerequisite for even attempting a reconstruction of undocumented historical combat in the first place.

    • @Tsurukiri
      @Tsurukiri 2 роки тому

      @@swordandshield Hi Roland, I can see a few living traditions sword and shield tehniques embedded here and there, but some I have not seen elsewhere. Is there a way to discuss off YT of the details, or to contact you privately? I think we are on the threshold of bringing back the sword/spear and shield fighting, as it used to be.

  • @skeldrif351
    @skeldrif351 2 роки тому +7

    looks like both guys got hit by the sword on their shield hand. I wonder if that was a common way the fight would end, cut the shield hand then either let them yield or be finished.

    • @swordandshield
      @swordandshield  2 роки тому +6

      I recently came across a 12th century illustration of a melée which shows a sword & shield fighter with half his hand cut off. So, yes: no fingers, no fight. In our practice without protective equipment, it is always difficult to say what would have been a good hit, and what was but a scratch. But that is not the point of this practice anyway, although we try to play fair and remain alert. Well, each form of sparring has its pros and cons. Which is why we keep changing forms of practice. But the one in period kit is definitely the nicest to look at, I feel.

    • @AlexPanther
      @AlexPanther 2 роки тому +3

      Keen eye my friend. :)
      I'm the guy in red. As these videos where taken for a documentary, Roland and I agreed that we would only end the bout with a hit that would be obvious enough for non fencers to see.
      Around 1:30-1:40 you can actually see me nodding in acknowledgement that Rolands thrust was through and would have hit me.

    • @AlexPanther
      @AlexPanther 2 роки тому +2

      Also it is difficult to accurately judge from looking alone, whether a hand hit would have done significant damage to the hand.
      I have done some tests of deliberately light hits on a pig's shoulder and without cloth pretty much every cut went down to the bone.
      Cloth did however offer a surprising amount of protection.
      So a cut to the uncovered hand would most likely be pretty severe while the same cut to the arm has at least some chance to glance of on the fabric.
      Still execution of the cut and edge alignment have the biggest impact on the results in my experience.

    • @daikansanchez7674
      @daikansanchez7674 2 роки тому +3

      Now imagine if you actually took glancing blows to the head and neck. I mean, I know this is not ment to be 100% accurate for safety reasons; but your comment about the pig's corpse makes me speculate how much force actually took to deliver what could conatitute a mortal blow/wound to the head.
      Thanks for these videos, they always inspire me to train more.
      PS: I know edge alignment and accurecy are more important than force, but still, makes you wonder...

    • @AlexPanther
      @AlexPanther 2 роки тому +1

      @@daikansanchez7674 well, we do train with masks probably more than without.
      If you look at the thrust for example. They are scary.
      Roland has this one thrust, that is like he was shooting out an arrow from behind his shield.
      That thing can hit you in the blink of an eye.
      You need to train these things with masks to really understand whether they would connect or not.
      And how hard they connect.
      And especially to understand how to not loose an eye by running into it.
      And even then there are always a lot of uncertain situations where both fencers are unsure about the outcome.
      One thing Roland said about the dangers of the blade was to think about all the times you cut yourself by accident on your pocket knife.
      I think that's a good measurement for what to expect from any given blade.

  • @Hax87
    @Hax87 2 роки тому

    Immer wieder ein Genuß euch beiden zuzusehen, gern mehr davon! Hoffe dass ich mir das auch mal live ansehen kann :)

  • @yarrick9125
    @yarrick9125 2 роки тому

    Very nice Video as always! Would you mind to tell me how much your sword weighs and how thick the edges are?

  • @JohnDoe-yr4wc
    @JohnDoe-yr4wc 2 роки тому

    I have to say it is a thing of beauty to see two skilled swordsmen spar with sword and shield.

  • @prowokator
    @prowokator 2 роки тому +3

    Great, would love to see longer version of this!
    Looks like wearing hand protection on your shield hand too would be smart. Even some leather vambraces would help to not get nicked in the wrist/arm in those shield binds.

    • @swordandshield
      @swordandshield  2 роки тому +5

      I wear leather gloves when doing sword & buckler fencing. For Viking shield, I grew manly callus!

    • @prowokator
      @prowokator 2 роки тому +1

      @@swordandshield I bet you did :D thanks for these slowed down videos, it is very interesting to see how the struggle develops and changes so quickly.

  • @eddys.3524
    @eddys.3524 2 роки тому +2

    Great to see you're still there... Has been silent so long I started to worry...

    • @swordandshield
      @swordandshield  2 роки тому +3

      Thank you. this is really nice to read. I have never been away, and actually produce more content than ever. However, I focus on my Patreon pages: www.patreon.com/Dimicator/posts . Frankly, I am no great fan of Google and YT for a number of reasons. For videos I may shift to vimeo at one point. We will see.

    • @eddys.3524
      @eddys.3524 2 роки тому +2

      @@swordandshield Thanks, Roland.

  • @andrewsock6203
    @andrewsock6203 2 роки тому +4

    Vikings often went through 3 shields in a dual. It seems this style of fighting can do no damage to a shield. Any reason for that other than safety and preserving shields ?

    • @AlexPanther
      @AlexPanther 2 роки тому +4

      That's probably down to a misreading of the sources.
      That "three shields" idea comes from one of the surviving rule sets for the "Holmgangr". A highly ritualised type of judicial duel in which all attacks had to be "strong and visible". The the same rule set it is said that every fighter is allowed to bring two swords and three shields and that he is allowed to change them at any time.
      Also this is but one source. And it is about 300 years removed from the lifetime of the person this Saga speaks about.
      A lot of these "common knowledge" ideas about vikings is actually more of a misreading of much more complex material.

    • @jamesmills4850
      @jamesmills4850 2 роки тому +1

      I've often wondered this myself. More than one Saga mentions that two drengrs fighting would often stop the duel to allow their opponent the opportunity to replace their hack up shield. I value greatly what Roland has achieved through practical experimentation. However, I do think that there were those during the same period and same communities who might have used different, less subtle fighting styles, perhaps even during the same contest. It would be interesting to see how Roland's style coped with a more brutal fighting method to see if subtle styles could withstand a more direct and forceful approach.

    • @AlexPanther
      @AlexPanther 2 роки тому +3

      @@jamesmills4850 I see your point.
      I think however that you underestimate the power that we hold back.
      Many of our blows would easily be enough to split a skull or chop a hand of. The difference is, that we know WHEN to strike with force.
      That is the part theses videos can't show.
      You are however completely right, that there where probably people who were significantly less refined in their fencing.
      But the evidence, starting from ergonomic changes in weapon design down to wear marks on the hilts and damage on bones suggests a that these weapons where used somewhat similar to our interpretation.
      If it interests you, take a look at the recent article of the society for combat archeology on viking shields. Especially at the way the planks were tapered to align them with the handle and the pressure line.

    • @jamesmills4850
      @jamesmills4850 2 роки тому

      @@AlexPanther Absolutely, of course we hold back when sparring due to the obvious risks. No-one I know of likes their bones being broken. It would be interesting to see sparring experiments that do pit a technical fighter up against another equally technical fighter but who then decided to use brute force throughout the fight to bully and overwhelm their opponent rather than using their subtlety skills to create an opening, in order to see what the results of such attacks had. Sure, if two opponents just had shields and swords to hand and weren't wearing maille and helmets then I would assume subtlety was the order of the day. Makes perfect sense. If both fighters were suitably armoured then how could the fighting style differ, if at all? Would the subtlety be as effective when a fighter just went all guns blazing so to speak? Would this brutality more often than not crash through their opponents defences like we'd see if a Thai boxer fought a Wing Chun boxer for instance? Obviously that's not the best comparison but would the opponent using a subtler method more often than not take out their more viciously direct opponent? Maybe the latter? I don't know? I suspect such contests did arise during the period however I've no clues as to how often? Cheers Asgrimm.

    • @AlexPanther
      @AlexPanther 2 роки тому +2

      @@jamesmills4850 Speaking from personal experience, fighters who rely on force are annoying but ultimately they tire themselves out and offer me more openings that I can exploit.
      As a teacher, I hear the "but what if he is striking really hard?" question several times a year.
      In class it is easy to answer.
      I have a student who is a good head taller than me and packs quite a bit of muscle.
      I let him take a few good swings and show the various options we have to counteract and explain why and how excessive force is a bad idea.
      Stress testing is important in all martial arts.
      But getting the point across in writing is a lot more difficult than just showing it.
      Armour however is quite a game changer.
      We see this reflected in the sources that cover armoured fencing.
      It is a lot more wrestling than anything else.
      For the viking age however that is basically irrelevant.
      Armour was scarce and fairly expensive.
      Chainmail only becomes common place towards the end of the viking age, when the kite shield already took over as the more common type of shield.
      You can take a look at Frankish and Anglo Saxon picture sources from around 800-900 as a frame of reference for the armour of organised armies of that time.
      And even those types of armour leave enough openings for our system to exploit.
      In addition I would like to point out how much the involvement of a blade changes the dynamic of a fight.
      There are some videos of streetfights involving machetes here on UA-cam.
      These guys have no technique at all, but they know absolutely to stay away from the pointy end.
      Unlike in boxing or Muai Thai, there is no such thing as trading blows with sharp weapons.
      It is just not worth the risk.
      Also a sharp sword can easily get stuck in the edge of theses shields.
      If you look closely, the shield I used actually has a cut in it from where I struck it with my sharp sword during a workshop I gave about a month prior to filming.
      Cheers.

  • @GraveyardSluttttt
    @GraveyardSluttttt 2 роки тому

    Hail @rolandwarzecha I am new to sword fighting techniques...although I have purchased a viking sword and made a wooden replica to practice with for now! I have been researching and watching your videos and other but I wonder if you would take the time to suggest some videos for new starters to practice stance, moves & cuts im keen to learn the correct technique from the start... what would you suggest for the new comber who wants to learn in your style? I haven't been able to find any video of yours that cover this.. you may have some though I have not found? thankyou so much really appreciate your time. Reiss

  • @peejeevermeiren2314
    @peejeevermeiren2314 2 роки тому

    Nice video!
    I wonder though what would happen if you would use strenght / bash with the edge of the shield.
    Would love to see this with 'duelling gear/armour', were you can use your strength also.
    Would it change anything that you are really trying to hit your opponent?

    • @beelzebub5286
      @beelzebub5286 Рік тому +1

      I do viking style swordfighting where we are armored at the shins, knees, lower arms, elbows and the head of course you can’t forget the hands where actually hit each other as opposed to roland and his buddy and believe me most things they do wouldn’t really work in my opinion.
      So to answer your question yes you can definitely strike with the edge of the shield and it is really effective.

  •  2 роки тому

    Darf man fragen wo du dieses schöne Trainingsschwert herbekommen hast?

  • @peterheinrichs7634
    @peterheinrichs7634 2 роки тому +3

    The drone is an awesome idea to get a feeling for distance and what's happening while fighting! Do you use it for reviewing your practice fights?

    • @swordandshield
      @swordandshield  2 роки тому +3

      The footage was recorded by a professional camera team for a documentary. So it was not our drone. The noise does not really add to the atmosphere on site. But I enjoyed watching those sequences, too.

    • @gotfrydzbouillon4191
      @gotfrydzbouillon4191 2 роки тому

      @@swordandshield Well basically the music fits from the point of view of the person who is interested in HEMA, knows your films and treats them as something scientific. 👍

  • @matthewrussell4343
    @matthewrussell4343 2 роки тому

    Okay, I like how you keep your hand protected behind the shield but I have a wee bit of a problem. I see that the shield swaying a lot and I can see an opponent taking advantage of that. What I do with my H.E.M.A group is rest my hand close to the rim of the shield for stability and fight kind of a hybrid of meyers longsword mixed with I33.

  • @PM9Video
    @PM9Video 2 роки тому +1

    It that why the sword handles are made the way they are to allow for a lot of twisting around?

    • @swordandshield
      @swordandshield  2 роки тому +2

      If we assume that form follows function, then in my opinion, the best way to use a sword with a large but hollow pommel and a relatively thin and short grip would be to maneuver the sword via the pommel a lot. If you are interested in the subject of sword hilt ergonomics, feel free to take a look here: www.patreon.com/Dimicator/posts?filters[tag]=Sword

  • @original0blace
    @original0blace 2 роки тому

    Does anyone know where to get a decent, affordable viking sword that actually has a historically accurate grip rather than on than a grip that is overlong in accordance with the tastes of modern reenactors?
    After a Gilling sword

  • @ivansordo2723
    @ivansordo2723 2 роки тому

    Where you bought the swords?

  • @mattmoraworld
    @mattmoraworld 2 роки тому

    What an epic battle! Almost lost a finger there a couple times, huh? :D Well done!

  • @vki41
    @vki41 2 роки тому +1

    It seems that viking shields were duel equipment, does it mean that 'vikings' didn't fight in tight formations ("shield wall" or smth like that)?

    • @Hades-im1ml
      @Hades-im1ml 2 роки тому

      Scandinavian way of war seem to be more ambush and guerilla warfare than big pitched battle.
      Even in line battle, warriors aren't so close to each other and can move there shield very freely (in my opinion).
      But Roland seem to be focus on duel and do not speak about battle.

    • @original0blace
      @original0blace 2 роки тому +2

      I’m my experience, for a formation to be effective you need spacing.
      When people get should to shoulder to close and don’t have room to move and fight then their combat effectiveness drops significantly and they become sitting ducks.
      Overlapping shields is more for defending against missile fire, for hand to hand you need spacing to fight effectively, which Roman sources also tell us, they say at least 3 Roman feet between each fighter I believe.

  • @user-wx2sz8de8k
    @user-wx2sz8de8k 2 роки тому

    Дождался!))

  • @mobiboom1663
    @mobiboom1663 2 роки тому

    SUPER...

  • @FlyingAxblade_D20
    @FlyingAxblade_D20 2 роки тому

    What does Roland's bodyguard look like?

    • @peterheinrichs7634
      @peterheinrichs7634 2 роки тому +1

      They look redundant at their best. They look useless to be honest... 'cause Roland seems to be a fighter for his own. ;o)

    • @FlyingAxblade_D20
      @FlyingAxblade_D20 2 роки тому

      @@peterheinrichs7634 good point!
      i'd like to be in his retinue ....

    • @FlyingAxblade_D20
      @FlyingAxblade_D20 2 роки тому

      @@peterheinrichs7634 cept, i'd be the ax man, throwing & personal

    • @FlyingAxblade_D20
      @FlyingAxblade_D20 2 роки тому

      @@peterheinrichs7634 "diversity" roflmao

    • @FlyingAxblade_D20
      @FlyingAxblade_D20 2 роки тому

      @@peterheinrichs7634 my rottweiller growls at Latin, and gets jumpy at arabic

  • @johnloster6896
    @johnloster6896 2 роки тому

    Roland!! Lebst du noch?

  • @Catonius
    @Catonius 2 роки тому +1

    ooh, he got you a couple of times too.
    Nice action. Glad to see you back.

  • @yizheliu304
    @yizheliu304 2 роки тому

    Hello,is there so much or lots of swords fightings (May be to death)during 500s to 1500s In civilian lives of western europe?So much?A little?Nearly no?Excep5 judicial duel and viking duel.

  • @kylermoore9079
    @kylermoore9079 2 роки тому

    🤘🏻

  • @swordandshield
    @swordandshield  2 роки тому +3

    Find information on DIMICATOR events at Hedeby/Haithabu here: www.patreon.com/posts/general-info-on-25893524
    See photos of the first Hedeby Bouts here: www.patreon.com/posts/hedeby-bouts-29834311

    • @gotfrydzbouillon4191
      @gotfrydzbouillon4191 2 роки тому

      Dear Roland can you do some fight in maille armor and nasal helmet and norman kiteshield ? Im very interested how fight will change when landed slashes will not be allow on armor and "killing" hit will be allow in place on body which isnt protected (for example sleeves in shorter mailles dont cover undearms)

  • @GustafStechmann
    @GustafStechmann 2 роки тому

    thats a little underwhelming

  • @Alex-yg5uh
    @Alex-yg5uh 3 місяці тому

    Nonsense, simply nonsense.....

  • @kheldroona7970
    @kheldroona7970 2 роки тому

    This looks utterly ridiculous