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  • @kl.8992
    @kl.8992 10 місяців тому +467

    My message to the LGBT+ community (which I am part of), go and support business where you are respected, welcomed, and appreciated.

    • @chrisblevins755
      @chrisblevins755 10 місяців тому +28

      Exactly! I'd never spend my money on a service, by a person who thinks I'm less than human just because my partner is the same gender as me.

    • @dileycacepeda9184
      @dileycacepeda9184 10 місяців тому +28

      I agree. Tell me your transphobic, homophobic, racist and such so I can avoid your business

    • @qlove728
      @qlove728 10 місяців тому +6

      AMEN!!

    • @vincentbaca790
      @vincentbaca790 10 місяців тому +5

      In other words...GO IN BUSINESS FOR YOURSELF!

    • @ainemarvin
      @ainemarvin 10 місяців тому +9

      I totally agree with you dear. Don’t take your money to places where you’re not welcomed.

  • @k.simmons862
    @k.simmons862 10 місяців тому +73

    This is the issue with court cases like these, it opens the door for very similar instances of discrimination.

    • @TogetherAtLast
      @TogetherAtLast 10 місяців тому +7

      Exactly

    • @Blackskye211
      @Blackskye211 10 місяців тому +3

      Yep! Very slippery slope

    • @duncanbauer7309
      @duncanbauer7309 10 місяців тому

      Only for those getting the Short End of doing the Right Thing!

    • @shakira9468
      @shakira9468 10 місяців тому

      Nobody want to deal with this unhinged group, that is hateful and want to destroy people that dont feed into their delusions. I don't blame them, and thats not discrimination

  • @GO-GO_SO-SO
    @GO-GO_SO-SO 10 місяців тому +151

    I guess I could see a religious person not wanting to make a web design for a gay wedding, but someone not wanting to do someone's hair? Where does the discrimination end or cross the line? I feel this is a slippery slope.

    • @peterlee584
      @peterlee584 10 місяців тому +6

      Me too. It's ridiculous!!

    • @bonanimathambo8721
      @bonanimathambo8721 10 місяців тому +12

      If somebody only wants to do women’s hair, they’re entitled to. You can’t force them to touch a man if they don’t want to.

    • @peterlee584
      @peterlee584 10 місяців тому +24

      ​​​ Yeah, but she doesn't mind doing a gay or straight man's hair. She's also willing to do a Bisexual person's hair or a Lesbian's hair. She only doesn't want to do Trans or queer people. That's discriminatoon period.

    • @GO-GO_SO-SO
      @GO-GO_SO-SO 10 місяців тому +8

      @@bonanimathambo8721 Okay, but that still does not explain why they do not want to do trans people's hair. There are biologically female trans people, but she would not do trans people's hair. Also, like peterlee584 said, it does not seem like this individual has a problem with doing straight men's hair or gay men's hair. They only called out trans people specifically.

    • @bonanimathambo8721
      @bonanimathambo8721 10 місяців тому +6

      @@GO-GO_SO-SO Some people are very against trans ideology. So just like you understand a religious person not wanting to make a gay wedding cake, you should understand people not wanting to get physical and intimate with doing the hair of a trans person. They can just go to a hairdresser who doesn’t mind doing it.

  • @sleephelper7565
    @sleephelper7565 10 місяців тому +26

    My barber shop in mishawaka, IN is a safe space for lgbtq. I have a Transcolor barberpole on my window at the shop. Any and everyone is welcome. I also work with people regarding how their hair plays a role in femine or masculine feeling they may have regarding how to help make them feel more comfortable in their own body

    • @BillBarr4President
      @BillBarr4President 10 місяців тому +5

      No one cares.

    • @rhiy6077
      @rhiy6077 10 місяців тому +8

      @@BillBarr4President Wrong - I Do & So Do Many Others!

    • @rhiy6077
      @rhiy6077 10 місяців тому +3

      That's So Lovely Of U. That's How Things Should Be - We Are All Equal, We Can Be Compassionate & Kind To Each Other. Like U Choose To Be;

    • @ezra9360
      @ezra9360 10 місяців тому +1

      @@BillBarr4PresidentI do!

    • @noelleneal
      @noelleneal 10 місяців тому +1

      thank you! love hearing that about a place in indiana

  • @THATBOISHAD
    @THATBOISHAD 10 місяців тому +46

    Our society is so petty!!
    We have natural disasters happening everyday and people fighting various diseases, halting their life.
    And we are going to court over lifestyle preferences.🙄

    • @camilogomezkeep2324
      @camilogomezkeep2324 10 місяців тому

      VERY MUCH WELL SAID!

    • @Yumenga
      @Yumenga 10 місяців тому

      Yes, we should fix the big problems in life and ignore all the other problems. You're very intelligent.

    • @9razzler9
      @9razzler9 10 місяців тому

      that's humans for you. instead of working together to fix each other's problems that affect everyone...we just do stuff like this to disrespect others.

    • @k.m512
      @k.m512 10 місяців тому

      ​@Yumenga I love how you're trying to imply that the commenter is dumb when you're the idiot who didn't get that they meant that a persons sexuality isn't a problem in the first place

  • @cinnamonpie8077
    @cinnamonpie8077 10 місяців тому +49

    Whoopi’s looking really good these days!Love Alyssa’s dress too.

  • @iMatti00
    @iMatti00 10 місяців тому +8

    👨‍⚖️ ~ They did a TERRIBLE job explaining the situation. I’m watching this episode on Hulu right now to catch up on last weeks episodes. They skipped back-and-forth between the hair salon woman and the previous Supreme Court case multiple times, anybody who is not familiar with the situation probably walked away extremely confused.
    And Whoopi, like she often has in the past, is extremely confident in her incorrect opinion. She saying people should not be allowed to discriminate but doesn’t actually know what the law is, and she saying they can discriminate by just lying and saying they’re booked up, etc.

  • @jh-402
    @jh-402 10 місяців тому +29

    Today is my 10th wedding anniversary to my husband. We are gay. I was 19 when we met, and 21 when we got married. I sit here looking at him and feel the love we have for each other. Our marriage wasn’t recognized until 2015 when SCOTUS allowed it to be legal. The frustration we all feel from these unfortunate discriminatory recent rulings is real. One thing he and I know, is that our love is real, powerful and beautiful. 🔻

    • @rhiy6077
      @rhiy6077 10 місяців тому +5

      Lovely - Congrats On Your 10th! 💍💓🎉

    • @sharontrujillo
      @sharontrujillo 10 місяців тому +3

      🎉 Happy Anniversary!! ❣️❣️

    • @shedskin01
      @shedskin01 10 місяців тому +2

      Married one year here. We just celebrated our 1st anniversary. We dated for 5 years prior. And like you, we are in awe at how beautiful, legitimate, and strong our love is! Like you, we’re also frustrated about the legal setbacks we’re seeing recently to the progress that we were making before. But all in all, we’re grateful to be in a country where our relationship is legitimized, and hopeful that just as there were setbacks before marriage equality was legal that we overcame, so will our lgbtq+ community overcome any new setbacks and challenges that we face because we are resilient! Congratulations on your 10 years of marriage! ❤🏳️‍🌈

    • @southernbelle4916
      @southernbelle4916 10 місяців тому +1

      GOD ,our maker,Creator ,says that that lifestyle is an abomination and against nature. Read Romans 1.

    • @philiplieu3889
      @philiplieu3889 10 місяців тому +6

      @@southernbelle4916 how does someone else’s marriage directly affect yours?

  • @jmhorange
    @jmhorange 10 місяців тому +63

    The supreme court ruling was a mistake in my opinion, but it's very narrow and doesn't cover this lady refusing to cut trans people's hair. Joy's example is a good one:
    You can't refuse to cut Donald Trump's hair because you disagree with his views. That's illegal as there's no free speech involved in cutting Donald Trump's hair. If however Trump wanted you to write "The election was stolen." in his hair, you could refuse him, because you are engaging in a free speech activity at that point and the Supreme court has ruled it's legal if you disagree with the message he wants cut in his hair.

    • @tiffanyhumes2383
      @tiffanyhumes2383 10 місяців тому +7

      I’m cracking up about writing the election was stolen in his hair part 😂 I needed that laugh

    • @lordoftheflies7024
      @lordoftheflies7024 10 місяців тому

      Does this ruling also extend to Nazis? Can a nazi be compelled (if they're an artists) to conduct artistic work on behalf of BLM if they work in an artistic business? Because, if they are compelled, then this law really is just discrimination towards g*ys, if they aren't compelled either then it's more fair.

    • @RodrickColbert
      @RodrickColbert 10 місяців тому +2

      I would suggest both of your scenarios are legal. Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone, but their reason for doing so cannot be based on their status as a federally protected class. Remember that a restaurant refused to let Obama hold a rally in his restaurant because the owner disagreed with Obama's statement 'that if you have a business, you didn't do that by yourself". The Obama campaign found another location. The same is legal for refusing to cut Trump's hair because you don't like him personally. it is only illegal if you refuse to cut all white males' hair. similarly, if a smelly black homeless person comes in for a cut, you can refuse him because he smells or looks bad. the client might think you are being racist but you can easily say that I cut black dudes' hair all the time...

    • @RodrickColbert
      @RodrickColbert 10 місяців тому

      @@lordoftheflies7024 i would just say that a Nazi web designer would be successfully sued for refusing to do a website for a bar mitzvah but not for refusing to design a website for a trans child documenting his/her transformation. Being Jewish is protected by federal anti-discrimination laws; being trans is not. Btw, I personally think that there is a difference in what is discrimination in that not believing in same-sex marriage and not liking gay people. Refusing to a business service all gay people is hate and should be illegal by federal law , not wanting to create an artistic expression that show that you agree with same sex marriage should be legal .

    • @jmhorange
      @jmhorange 10 місяців тому

      @@lordoftheflies7024 With Nazi artists, if they are creating a work of art that includes free speech advocating for Black lives Matter, the ruling allows that Nazi artist to refuse the BLM's request. The ruling does not allow a Nazi artist to refuse to make any art for BLM.
      Now I think the ruling was an unwise one and also there was a lot of serious issues with the case in the first place including the plantiff didn't have standing. It is discrimination against gays but anyone can use the ruling. It's akin to the reason states can't secede from the US. The original reason was because of slavery. But since it was decided after the Civil War that the US is indivisible, no state has the option to secede anymore, the right is off the table, even for a more morally justifiable reason (like I don't know, a state opposes the illegal invasion of Iraq). A precedent has been set. Same with this court ruling, anyone can use the law even Nazis to not be compelled to say something they don't agree with regardless of the original reason the case was brought.

  • @devinbiz
    @devinbiz 10 місяців тому +7

    Love the positive outlook of Sara and how she wishes to seek out inclusiveness

  • @marcelltoth3750
    @marcelltoth3750 10 місяців тому +52

    Sunny gets it.

    • @bretmiller21
      @bretmiller21 10 місяців тому +1

      The only thing she gets is money for being an absolute idiot....

  • @tjbes
    @tjbes 10 місяців тому +44

    I actually understood Alyssa’s point overall, and think there is a discussion to be had there. The issue with this particular case in my mind is that the person had no standing to bring it in the first place because it was a made up couple. That’s the part Alyssa is missing with this particular case.

    • @Adam-nw1vy
      @Adam-nw1vy 10 місяців тому +13

      I didn't. Sunny's rebuttal of her point was spot on. Homophobes are not a protected class. Donald Trump, the example given by Joy, is not a protected class. Sexual orientation is.

    • @tjbes
      @tjbes 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Adam-nw1vy it’s a protected class in the workplace and in other areas. Not when it comes to private business. In reality, a private business has much leniency when it comes to who they can discriminate against. But this case should never have been heard.

    • @Adam-nw1vy
      @Adam-nw1vy 10 місяців тому +7

      @@tjbes I disagree. Both federal and many state laws explicitly say you can’t discriminate against customers based on factors such as race, religion, sex or national origin. A private business may be private, but if they serve the public, they’re not exempt from following the law. Again, the comparison between "discriminating" against homophobes and discriminating against LGBTQ people is a really bad one.

    • @dustin9132
      @dustin9132 10 місяців тому

      The examples Alyssa used were incorrect. She actually borrowed them from the briefs filed by the website designer. 🤦🏼‍♂️
      Btw, has anyone mentioned that she's represented by ADF?
      Their literal goal is GLOBAL criminalization of abortion and LGBT existence.
      They're active in 100 countries and are racking up wins, mostly in Asia and South America right now.

    • @alananderson7903
      @alananderson7903 10 місяців тому +1

      "No standing" - LMAO - So I guess you think you're smarter than the Supreme Court?

  • @eddiel.4108
    @eddiel.4108 10 місяців тому +44

    Whoopie on fire. She has the conservative host looking in the sky for answers.

    • @jazziepha206
      @jazziepha206 10 місяців тому +5

      well it would be nice if they stopped interrupting her so she can get her point across.

    • @tatriceshipp9139
      @tatriceshipp9139 10 місяців тому +4

      ​@@jazziepha206She isn't making sense. So they should interrupt her.

    • @jazziepha206
      @jazziepha206 10 місяців тому

      @@tatriceshipp9139 how can she when she's consistently interrupted/talked over so she can't get her point across?

  • @TheBioExplorer
    @TheBioExplorer 10 місяців тому +4

    It's stupid of her to refuse to serve people. Why not trans but she's ok with the rest of the alphabet? It's money out of her pocket. Hair is hair..... but truthfully if you're that nasty to customers... then I don't you doing my hair and I'm straight. Why is she worried about any person's sexuality?... Is she looking for dates? It's creepy. I wouldn't want her doing anyone in my family's hair either. SURE... it's her right to do lots of things... but our rights to exclude people do not come without responsibilities and consequences. Ifvit makes you look like a bigot... then you're going to lose business probably and it's the right of people not to patronize your shop.

    • @andiestewart7423
      @andiestewart7423 10 місяців тому

      She’s dumb, stylists talk and are friends with everyone. Word travels fast. I bet she’s out of business within a year

  • @ronnilopez9930
    @ronnilopez9930 10 місяців тому +21

    Please let Alyssa finish her points.

    • @kennonmoss7854
      @kennonmoss7854 10 місяців тому +2

      Please don't

    • @user-qx9wv3xf6u
      @user-qx9wv3xf6u 10 місяців тому

      ​@@kennonmoss7854So you just want all cult huh. Wow

    • @kennonmoss7854
      @kennonmoss7854 10 місяців тому

      @@user-qx9wv3xf6u you in cult trump boy

  • @KevenTalks
    @KevenTalks 10 місяців тому +2

    Sunny looks great in orange 🧡

  • @deejayvijay
    @deejayvijay 10 місяців тому +3

    Whoopi needs to be taken off the show - she doesn’t understand intricacies of anything and makes statements that arent true

  • @Anastasiabeaverhausen275
    @Anastasiabeaverhausen275 10 місяців тому +14

    Whoopie you just proved the point of the supreme court ruling

  • @aaronj9393
    @aaronj9393 10 місяців тому +43

    Trans people are PEOPLE.. just like everyone else. Stop discriminating against them and GET OVER IT. If you don't want to be trans, then don't. But stop hating on people who are just being themselves.

    • @amberbanuelos7053
      @amberbanuelos7053 10 місяців тому +10

      Exactly. It’s not complicated, if you don’t like something, don’t take part in it. But stop trying to prevent others from being part of it.

    • @HossEehoss
      @HossEehoss 10 місяців тому

      Not everyone sees things like you do.
      Get over it.

    • @catherineomondi7850
      @catherineomondi7850 10 місяців тому +1

      If they weren't trying to bulldoze their way into other people's spaces, we would get over it. But we cannot have trans people joining women's sports when they have the muscle mass and bone density of a man. We can have 50-year-old men who decided to become female joining dance school even though they can't dance in the name of diversity and taking the place of brilliant female dancers. We can't have boys who are "finding themselves and yet to determine their gender" being allowed to use female bathrooms, locker rooms, and dorm rooms. We cannot allow men-turned-pseudo-women being allowed in female prisons. You want to be yourself, go ahead. But please don't insist that you want to be treated like a woman. Trans women ARE NOT WOMEN!!!

    • @bigsexxy1
      @bigsexxy1 10 місяців тому

      They're freaks

    • @johnwebb2442
      @johnwebb2442 10 місяців тому +3

      Thank you

  • @canudigit2489
    @canudigit2489 10 місяців тому +10

    Yeah private owned companies can refuse service to anyone they want PERIOD!!

  • @jesuisgabriel455
    @jesuisgabriel455 10 місяців тому +72

    Sunny was spot on. LGBT people need to be a protected class

    • @Fellowtellurian
      @Fellowtellurian 10 місяців тому +1

      We are, the Supreme Court just ignored their other rulings. Sexual orientation

    • @EngineersQuest
      @EngineersQuest 10 місяців тому +5

      Why???

    • @natashadunbar6330
      @natashadunbar6330 10 місяців тому

      Sunny is a lost soul calling herself a practicing catholic...oh but she supports gay marriage and gay rights. Make it make sense. I know they cant possibly be serving her communion

    • @Lerian_V
      @Lerian_V 10 місяців тому +1

      There shouldn't any protected class in a society. It's discrimination to use the law to tell some people you're more valuable than others due to_____.

    • @lisal9829
      @lisal9829 10 місяців тому +5

      @@EngineersQuest Why do you think they should not have equal protections?

  • @TrueOrigins1618
    @TrueOrigins1618 10 місяців тому +2

    I think what Whoopi is trying to say is; the website design is speech, doing someone’s hair is not speech. So how is this hairstylist using the ruling to justify her discrimination. Is hair design also speech now or is it a service?

  • @kingcobrarules8117
    @kingcobrarules8117 10 місяців тому +12

    After this segment I still don't know how the ladies feel about this, flip flop numerous times here.

    • @JokerG16
      @JokerG16 10 місяців тому +4

      lol right. they're okay with telling someone no, but they are okay with it if it's Trump. very weird

    • @booqueefious2230
      @booqueefious2230 10 місяців тому +1

      I don't think any of them have actually thought through this

    • @booqueefious2230
      @booqueefious2230 10 місяців тому +1

      It's actually stupidly simple.
      The cake example is the best.
      If there are pre-made cakes on the shelf, the gayest person alive can walk in and buy it even if the owner is the most conservative person that ever existed. The owner can't say no
      Once any sort of creative expression is involved, the cake maker can say "no" for any reason. You cannot force somebody to actively create something that goes against their values. That's a clear 1st Amendment violation

  • @j.d.contreras392
    @j.d.contreras392 10 місяців тому +1

    Every business owner has the right to refuse service. Period.

  • @jestinpatton9504
    @jestinpatton9504 10 місяців тому +26

    Alyssa’s point is falling flat on this one - every business reserves the right to refuse service.

    • @sdmac1339
      @sdmac1339 10 місяців тому +11

      that was tgey said during Jim Crow.

    • @hpflix
      @hpflix 10 місяців тому +10

      It also falls flat because bigots are not a protected class.

    • @jameswood88
      @jameswood88 10 місяців тому +3

      That was some twisting and turning by Alyssa. Talk about ignorant. I guess that’s why she claims to be pro LGBT but thinks Mike Pence would be a great leader. Someone educate this woman.

    • @SN-sz7kw
      @SN-sz7kw 10 місяців тому

      Cannot completely deny service to a targeted group of people if you are offering a public service in a location where infrastructure is taxpayer funded. Right to refuse service generally must be based on unruly customer behavior, etc. Not their religion, sexual orientation, or political party.

    • @kendallbedford2523
      @kendallbedford2523 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@hpflixthats were I agree with Alyssa. As far as sexuality, yes the supreme court got that part wrong but in a way, it can be used to stop others from doing service.

  • @aciemahon9248
    @aciemahon9248 10 місяців тому +1

    I wish they would interview Riley Gaines.

  • @OneSun11
    @OneSun11 10 місяців тому +10

    Yes... what would change things... is if people just walked away from those places and people and went to where there is open receiving and respect for all people.

    • @jameswood88
      @jameswood88 10 місяців тому

      Great so are you saying it’s okay for white people to refuse service of black people because they are black? Or is that just okay because they are gay? Or what about people refusing to serve women because they are female? Is this law only wrong when it impacts you? Please stop the ignorance, it’s just so pathetic.

    • @suzanne9150
      @suzanne9150 10 місяців тому

      Hair salon woman make disgusting remarks with ZERO proof that any gay people ever came to her to get their hair done. She wanted her 15 minutes of hate speech to get attention.

  • @jamiisaylor4159
    @jamiisaylor4159 10 місяців тому +7

    Let Alyssa talk please her point matters too

  • @AlexDeLaO-kd1yi
    @AlexDeLaO-kd1yi 10 місяців тому +1

    As a private business you can refuse business to anyone. Ever heard of no shoes, no shirt no business? Has nothing to do with trans it’s your business.

  • @MsMama-xc4vw
    @MsMama-xc4vw 10 місяців тому +4

    Sara is SPOT ON! THE LORD WILL DIVIDE THE SHEEP FROM THE GOATS, THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF.

  • @Ilove2teach52
    @Ilove2teach52 10 місяців тому +24

    It maybe wrong but she can service who she wants. Just stand on it. Don’t come up with all these excuses. Just say I don’t want to🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️

    • @jojo2007ish
      @jojo2007ish 10 місяців тому +11

      My only issue is that it needs to be clearly posted. I feel I have the right to walk into a business and assume under normal circumstances I will get service. If I find out later that I was wasting my time because the company didn't have clearly posted policies they should owe me compensation. They don't want to do that because then they would lose the straight allies money as well.

    • @Ilove2teach52
      @Ilove2teach52 10 місяців тому +2

      @@jojo2007ish Spot on

  • @DanielRajabi
    @DanielRajabi 10 місяців тому +1

    Vote with your dollar not the law, it works a lot faster

  • @archk6791
    @archk6791 10 місяців тому +2

    What is up withSunny’s lips today?

  • @respectamerica2382
    @respectamerica2382 10 місяців тому +1

    But Cancel Culture and de-platforming is not discrimination?

  • @IMTDS101
    @IMTDS101 10 місяців тому +2

    I'm lost and sad without my TANG uploads, fix this NOW!!!

  • @christinarobinson516
    @christinarobinson516 10 місяців тому +1

    Don't ask and don't tell 👀

  • @olderoscendant
    @olderoscendant 10 місяців тому +2

    Let's pause for a second and consider that this woman said- with her whole chest- that she will serve Lesbians, Gay Men, Bisexuals, and Queer folk, but no Trans folk..... Honey......

    • @twiztedsynz
      @twiztedsynz 10 місяців тому

      She won't serve Queer people, or anyone else under the "+" umbrella.
      Because she believes they are "MAP" so anyone beyond GLB is basically a pedophile to her.

  • @tysons9222
    @tysons9222 10 місяців тому +20

    whoopi’s logic to alyssa’s thought is completely backwards
    it has to work both way
    if a person could be forced to do a gay wedding wedsite
    a gay person could be force to do an anti gay wedding wedsite
    you can’t have it both ways
    as usually whoopi is only seeing half the story

    • @CL12356
      @CL12356 10 місяців тому +4

      I think the issue that’s missing here is discrimination and promoting discrimination. You shouldn’t be able to discriminate or have to promote discrimination. In your example, the woman is discriminating against a group of people by refusing service simply based on who that person is, and not based on having to promote anything that is discriminatory nor denies anything other groups of people. But also, if a gay person (or any person) was asked to make a wedding website for a couple that involved the verbiage “anti-gay wedding” then that would be asking the person to create and promote active language of discrimination. But if a gay person was asked to just make a wedding website for a Christian couple that doesn’t include any discriminatory language or ideology, then that should be fine. If the gay couple was asking for a wedding site that discriminated against others, an “anti-Christian wedding” then sure. But a wedding website for 2 men doesn’t inherently discriminate against anyone, it doesn’t deny anything, it’s exclusionary to anyone. Just like a straight wedding website doesn’t inherently discriminate against anyone or is exclusive. The issue with not having to prove discrimination or promotion of as a reason for refusing service allows the opportunity to refuse service to anyone who you claim does not share your exact ideology. For instance, if your basis of service is fitting your personal view of religion (as this woman stated), this website designer could refuse anyone who does not share her specific set of ideology, period, even within sects of Christianity. For instance she could refuse to make a website for a Jewish wedding, and Catholic wedding (if she’s sat Babtist), a non-religious wedding, a wedding where someone has had premarital sex, a wedding involving a previously divorcee, a wedding where shellfish is served, the list goes on. It’s a slippery slope. That’s why having the basis of refusal line drawn on discrimination or promotion of discrimination makes sense and prevents it from becoming all encompassing. I hope that makes sense.

    • @rstraker72
      @rstraker72 10 місяців тому +3

      yes, that was the argument of the learned conservative members of the supreme court but, I'll admit that I don't have the education of these judges ...but ... as the dissenting members argued the difference is that sexual orientation is a protected class while being a bigot is not. So businesses can legally refuse you service for a bunch of random things i.e. not meeting a dress code, not having a certain G.P.A., not eating meat, not buying a Costco membership, even not agreeing with your political views - while controversial it would be perfectly legal for a business to say we only serve conservatives, Where the problem lies is when service is refused to a protected class -such as sexual orientation ... so gay bars can't say that straight folk are not allowed. I understand the Supreme Court judgment - they basically allotted more weight to the right of the "artist" (they considered the service provider more of an artist than a service provider) over the rights of the client. So Whoopi's argument is not inherently wrong (just a bit confusing) actually it is mostly correct. People on both sides I believe are confused by this ruling. I think that Alyssa is correct in saying that people on the left think this ruling is worse than it really is (at least as it currently stands) .... the biggest problem is the slippery slope demonstrated by the stylist who believes that she does not have to style a transgendered person's hair. She may in fact be correct ... then what's next? There are serious consequences to this ruling that we will see play out over the oncoming years.

  • @annjones5201
    @annjones5201 10 місяців тому

    Get Well Fast Sunny
    🌞❤🌞❤🌞❤🌞

  • @williamhartz8707
    @williamhartz8707 10 місяців тому +1

    Whoopi, can you be a better listener and not loudly, abruptly interrupt Alyssa?

    • @victorwest8041
      @victorwest8041 10 місяців тому

      she's allowed to do that because she's smarter than everyone else.

  • @patriciorodriguez1020
    @patriciorodriguez1020 10 місяців тому +2

    Whats wrong with Sunny’s upper lip ?

    • @angprt2
      @angprt2 10 місяців тому

      IDK but she needs to look into it.

  • @Robbythecritic
    @Robbythecritic 10 місяців тому +8

    They didn’t insult or belittle the trans community, they simply said they won’t serve which is their right as business owners. Just go somewhere else where they’ll serve u, it’s that simple

    • @dr.peppermintpatty4925
      @dr.peppermintpatty4925 10 місяців тому

      Nobody was ever going to those people that are homophobic or transphobic businesses anyways... She has a business that will never prosper with what mindset

    • @j.d.contreras392
      @j.d.contreras392 10 місяців тому

      Thank you! Finally someone makes sense! They have a RIGHT to refuse service to anyone. It's a protected law and always have been. I'd just go somewhere else. Very simple.

  • @dustin9132
    @dustin9132 10 місяців тому +1

    OMG ALYSSA. STOP TALKING. 🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @Blackskye211
    @Blackskye211 10 місяців тому +2

    As a Christian I understand but I worry about the slippery slope as far like you can discriminate against sexuality but then Will gender or race be next.

  • @priscillawrenvonblucher7751
    @priscillawrenvonblucher7751 10 місяців тому +2

    god sunny leave ur face alone.

  • @jonmiller1265
    @jonmiller1265 10 місяців тому +28

    I think when the panel wants to talk about LGBTQ+ issues they should probably have a guest panelist to keep them on track and educate, cause some of the comparisons and conflations they make on topics like this are a bit ignorant and problematic.

    • @victorwest8041
      @victorwest8041 10 місяців тому

      They are female, they emotional instead of rational, Whoopi knows everything about everything........LOL

    • @ediorfitzgerald1478
      @ediorfitzgerald1478 10 місяців тому +2

      The show is called the View, not the Professional View. It’s designed for entertainment purposes only.

    • @jameswood88
      @jameswood88 10 місяців тому +2

      OR have a lesbian on a panel that is supposed to represent ALL women.

    • @AquaFonic
      @AquaFonic 10 місяців тому

      @@jameswood88TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN!! Trans men are men !! FACT

  • @js7dragon
    @js7dragon 9 місяців тому

    All of them got them got the crux of the case wrong. It was about speech (the making of the site) not discrimination (the right to refuse service based on identity).

  • @TheMouse-gc9ft
    @TheMouse-gc9ft 9 місяців тому

    The whole point of anti discrimination laws is that you *cant* say no on the basis of race or protected class

  • @carnivorepolice5-0
    @carnivorepolice5-0 10 місяців тому +1

    You have no right to be served

  • @luc9388
    @luc9388 10 місяців тому

    Alyssa is a joke. She agrees with the Supreme Court? How dare she be fine with discrimination of any form.

  • @evesn7212
    @evesn7212 10 місяців тому +4

    These women just argue for the sake of arguing.

  • @RosieRoserules
    @RosieRoserules 10 місяців тому +1

    Did you all see the picture of this salon owner? Her hair is stuck in the really bad days of the 80's it looks horrible it looks fried. Based on her own hairstyle no one should go to her salon

  • @Iburn247
    @Iburn247 8 місяців тому

    You arent guaranteed service...there is no "right to be served" 😂

  • @nieshamccoy9419
    @nieshamccoy9419 10 місяців тому +1

    The problem i see is people using their religious beliefs to discriminate

  • @lexaneli
    @lexaneli 10 місяців тому +3

    America got a problem. Humanity has fallen so far from how they ought to treat each other and it's sad. I am a black West indian and it saddens me that people are discriminated for just being who they are especially when you are just living your life not harming anyone.
    When it comes to sexuality, the only thing i do not agree with is teaching sexuality to primary level children regardless to what type it is. Let children be and find themselves in their own time. They're too young to even understand the complexity of sexuality, even adults can't even answer themselves yet they see it fit to involve children and possibly corrupt or influence their young, impressionable mind.
    Parents teach your kids to love self and others and be accepting to people who are different to you. Racism and prejudice are taught. You are not born that way. Parents, do a better job on what you instill in your kids who grow up to be the adults we everyday people have to face with.

    • @HH-gv8mx
      @HH-gv8mx 10 місяців тому

      I’d be afraid to do a trans persons hair. I had one that lived above me who was violent and completely insane. Also she was a big Donald Trump supporter, which was very bizarre, and scream profanities all night long off the balcony to the Guatemalans who lived downstairs. She was a bully and aggressive and made it quite unpleasant to want to come home. She would often attack me when I was coming in and carrying my groceries .
      Any other trans people that I’ve come across in South Florida all seem really crazy and dangerous as well. I have never had this problem with gay men only with transgender. Maybe because trans women are just mean and nasty and hateful towards biological women?? Not sure what it is, but I’ve had the worst experiences with them. They are just so aggressive and nasty. 🐍

  • @mikeywiththecamera
    @mikeywiththecamera 10 місяців тому +1

    I'm torn because I'm gay and have been a wedding photographer for 12+ years. Many of the weddings I've been hired to photograph take place in very conservative churches, identical to the kind of church that traumatized me growing up, forced me to go to conversion therapy, and shunned me when conversion therapy didn't work. There have been times when I've had to hide panic attacks while on the clock because being in these environments is very triggering. Theoretically, this law says that I can now turn down conservative Evangelical clients, something that would otherwise be considered religious discrimination. Right?

    • @ediorfitzgerald1478
      @ediorfitzgerald1478 10 місяців тому +1

      If serving conservative Evangelicals is against your religious beliefs the Supreme Court says you can legally refuse service.

    • @jameswood88
      @jameswood88 10 місяців тому

      Oh god, please have a little more intelligence. You shouldn’t judge a person based on any from of discrimination, not just the ones you don’t like. If you had a conservative evangelical come to you and wanted to create an anti gay website, you would have the right to say no because it is discrimination. You don’t need this law, which has been created to allow religions to discriminate against anyone that like, because they are religious. This is the part that is wrong. Change the word gay to black, or gay to women and then see if it makes sense that people should be allowed to say no to someone based on their religion. Are you all so seriously brainwashed you can’t figure this out yourself?

  • @matlynsmith5
    @matlynsmith5 10 місяців тому

    I was recently arrested (at 59), for 4th assault with coffee. 5 police officers arrived to arrest me for 4th Degree assault with ❤coffee😊.

  • @daviddye6558
    @daviddye6558 10 місяців тому

    They aren't getting that Whoopie is saying just turn them away and don't explain why lol

  • @nicolecrain13
    @nicolecrain13 10 місяців тому +2

    What's wrong with Sunny's upper lip today?

  • @jmajesty79
    @jmajesty79 10 місяців тому +2

    What happened to sunny's lips???

  • @kandykissesoxoxblessed
    @kandykissesoxoxblessed 10 місяців тому +1

    Why don't you tell Sunny you can't say and do mean things

  • @ConsciouslivinByChidera
    @ConsciouslivinByChidera 10 місяців тому +1

    Love Joy 💖 🥰

  • @ConsciouslivinByChidera
    @ConsciouslivinByChidera 10 місяців тому +1

    Woopie just let people talk 👄 🙄

  • @vincentbaca790
    @vincentbaca790 10 місяців тому +1

    Why no mention of coke in the West Wing?

  • @David-pm9mn
    @David-pm9mn 10 місяців тому +6

    Stop telling people what they can and can't do in their own privately owned business. If they don't want to serve those clients then they can. Take your business someplace else. It will either catch up to the salon owner or it won't.

    • @jthomasmack
      @jthomasmack 10 місяців тому +2

      So... we should just allow people to bring back the "no blacks, no Irish" signs??

    • @adrian8green
      @adrian8green 10 місяців тому

      This is what they were saying during the civil rights movement when whites did not want to service black people. Doesn’t sound ridiculous?

    • @David-pm9mn
      @David-pm9mn 10 місяців тому

      @@jthomasmack we already have laws protecting that

  • @victorwest8041
    @victorwest8041 10 місяців тому +6

    Did Whoopi's rant make any sense? Her yelling and ranting is all over the place...........as usual.

    • @gregXxo
      @gregXxo 10 місяців тому +1

      The other day she started to rant/ comment about something that wasn't even brought up yet, didn't have any clue what she was talking about until a few minutes later Alyssa brought up to topic and I put two and two together

  • @daniellerichard1385
    @daniellerichard1385 10 місяців тому

    Sunny's new lips are comical.

  • @dianadowie3985
    @dianadowie3985 10 місяців тому

    I am confused how do you agree about a ruling that based on an allegedly false information?

  • @breyonnaleone6357
    @breyonnaleone6357 10 місяців тому +1

    In other words it’s all good until they come for you!!!!!!

  • @charliemillangaga02
    @charliemillangaga02 10 місяців тому

    Not surprise with Alyssa, did not expect nothing from her jaja

  • @melindamcafee1728
    @melindamcafee1728 10 місяців тому

    I don't know how a case "that is not a case" made it to the SCOTUS.

  • @aceofknaves
    @aceofknaves 10 місяців тому +60

    Why would she refuse anyone? That's dumb, from a business sense. I don't care who you are or what you are, as long as you're paying me to provide a service for you, you're welcome to come to my establishment.

    • @TH-tl6sy
      @TH-tl6sy 10 місяців тому +12

      Right?!? But I think it should be a sign outside in big bold Letters. So people know she's bigoted so Cis gendered people that aren't transphobic can avoid using her too.

    • @kelleylegault5115
      @kelleylegault5115 10 місяців тому

      I also wonder if she’s going to ask everyone that comes through the door to prove they’re female/male.
      I agree with Whoopi, you can decline (I think, in most cases) a client for a variety of reasons… But publicly behaving like the bigot, you are, should be a path to bankruptcy.

    • @johnwebb2442
      @johnwebb2442 10 місяців тому +4

      Exactly

    • @misterzeno225
      @misterzeno225 10 місяців тому +4

      That’s right, all money is green.

    • @AS-vq3wt
      @AS-vq3wt 10 місяців тому +3

      It's her business. Don't worry about how other people handle their business. You need to go get a job.

  • @reddingmalik
    @reddingmalik 10 місяців тому

    Whoopi’s point just clicked for me and no one else understands what she’s saying

  • @gmailuser3377
    @gmailuser3377 10 місяців тому +1

    Joy ❤

  • @tothemax324
    @tothemax324 10 місяців тому +5

    The dude who won "Miss Netherlands' confirms the patriarchy

  • @alwayschillingx
    @alwayschillingx 10 місяців тому

    Maybe it’s cause I’m not American but I don’t get Whoopies point. So can a cafe refuse to serve me coffee just because they have the right to do it?

  • @scottharlow2138
    @scottharlow2138 10 місяців тому

    Sorry but apperantly she can says supreme court 😂

  • @Coryclemmings
    @Coryclemmings 10 місяців тому

    Why does your viewpoint matter when the product or service you’re selling won’t any longer be yours??? Even further, how can it even be considered yours when it’s something marketed for purchase??

  • @eyadku22571
    @eyadku22571 10 місяців тому

    In South Africa, you cannot discriminate based on sexual orientation, race, gender, religion, gender etc. Maybe the land of the free should take a page out of their constitution.

  • @mechalovessquirrels18
    @mechalovessquirrels18 10 місяців тому +2

    We reserves the right to refuse service to anyone

    • @aprilfox9205
      @aprilfox9205 10 місяців тому

      So I can refuse to serve you because your black??? Just no, please stop.

  • @musix2009
    @musix2009 10 місяців тому +1

    People make me sick…

  • @bkbsbryan
    @bkbsbryan 10 місяців тому

    What happen to Sonny's lip? Love her!

  • @bgddogdflgd3013
    @bgddogdflgd3013 10 місяців тому +1

    Imagine owning a business and first question to your customer is: What's your POLITICIAL PARTY? On that, make a decision to serve them or not due to your political ideology. What a waste of time on all these CULTURE WARS.

  • @benallaway-oo4zc
    @benallaway-oo4zc 10 місяців тому +1

    It's a dangerous topic 1 they didn't do justice in this segment they all missed the mark, trans is gender not sexuality, I'm scared that people R trying to bring being trans outta the realm of all an into the space of sexuality

  • @bonanimathambo8721
    @bonanimathambo8721 10 місяців тому +1

    Simple capitalism. Go find someone who’s willing to do business with you instead of trying to force someone who isn’t.

  • @williampetrovich1998
    @williampetrovich1998 10 місяців тому

    🏆They ain't goin to her - Sunny

  • @canadianshield5143
    @canadianshield5143 6 місяців тому

    Did Sunny get smacked in the mouth..LOL..she done got herself a fat lip!!

  • @roseatkinson3508
    @roseatkinson3508 10 місяців тому

    How would she know, no one wears signs...

  • @kassilandis1
    @kassilandis1 10 місяців тому

    Traverse City Mi. is a wealthy, educated city in Northern Mi. The town does not represent these attitudes. This business will be done very soon.

  • @jungersrules
    @jungersrules 10 місяців тому +1

    If my hair salon took that stance ... buh bye!

    • @adrian8green
      @adrian8green 10 місяців тому

      This is the viewpoint people had during the civil rights movement when white businesses did not want to serve black people. Do u understand how flawed this logic is?

  • @shaedee7427
    @shaedee7427 10 місяців тому +1

    Simple fix LGBT+ community stop making clothes, doing makeup, hair etc. for all these people. We know a lot of that won't go well. I know we want to stop discrimination but at some point we have to give them the same energy.

  • @christophermyers3758
    @christophermyers3758 10 місяців тому

    Well then, I refuse to attend the wedding of a straight-four times divorced- absent father- left handed alien- who chews with his mouth open and musically farts the theme to "Bonanza"!
    Did I leave anybody out? 🤣😂🤣

  • @elvira2448
    @elvira2448 10 місяців тому +4

    They never let Alyssa finish her sentence, what did Sunny do to her lips??

    • @Cdr-nm1yx
      @Cdr-nm1yx 10 місяців тому +3

      Had them on Whoopi cushions bottom a little longer than usual?

  • @christinarobinson516
    @christinarobinson516 10 місяців тому

    Whoopi is so real. Big Momma Spirit 😶‍🌫️

  • @BottleConcreteBlond
    @BottleConcreteBlond 10 місяців тому

    The Supreme Court super fucked up here and we'll all have to pay the price.

  • @chrisglover9700
    @chrisglover9700 10 місяців тому

    Why would you want to support a business that obviously doesn't want your business....

  • @cathrynevans5196
    @cathrynevans5196 10 місяців тому

    You can refuse to do someone’s hair if you don’t like the way they look. If you don’t like the way they smell. If you’re not in the mood to serve that person. Whether they are gay or trans is insignificant. As a small business self-employed person you do not have to do someone’s hair or bake someone a cake or design a website if you don’t wish to. It would be stupid to say I’m not going to do it for you, because you’re gay… I admit that. But certainly turning down business is your prerogative as a self-employed business person.

  • @shanthishetty4584
    @shanthishetty4584 10 місяців тому +7

    I enjoyed Joy's comment about Trump.

    • @sheldoncole7276
      @sheldoncole7276 10 місяців тому

      She can't seem to get him off her mind

  • @JorgeRamos-xw6dy
    @JorgeRamos-xw6dy 10 місяців тому +8

    I don't think it's a big deal. I would not want to give my business to someone that didn't want it. If anything, take your business to those that support you.

    • @bonanimathambo8721
      @bonanimathambo8721 10 місяців тому +1

      That’s the simple adult solution. Instead of trying to force someone to do business with you that doesn’t want to. 👍🏾

    • @dileycacepeda9184
      @dileycacepeda9184 10 місяців тому +2

      I understand that, but the problem is that this is just the start. I can see how they could use that to keep going backwards.

    • @bonanimathambo8721
      @bonanimathambo8721 10 місяців тому

      @@dileycacepeda9184 Did you say that for all the years that restaurants would refuse to serve Trump supporters?

    • @user-eh8yz6ko3t
      @user-eh8yz6ko3t 10 місяців тому

      We already tried that in the Jim Crow south when Blacks couldn’t even find a place to eat or sleep when traveling through because businesses refused to serve them

    • @bonanimathambo8721
      @bonanimathambo8721 10 місяців тому

      @@user-eh8yz6ko3t It’s 2023. Nobody cares about race except Democrats who just never stop bringing it up in every situation.

  • @user-tm8sj6jf9c
    @user-tm8sj6jf9c 10 місяців тому

    Her business she can do what ever she wants.