Stock Trader Trading: Manipulating A Super Computer
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
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We live in a day and age where the stock market is mainly controlled by super computers. In fact, high frequency trading done via the computers makes up the vast majority of the volume on a daily basis.
While attempting to do some after hours trading, I stumbled across one of these computers trying to take advantage of me. I put in a sell order, and then all of a sudden, I was no longer the best offer on the ask (I wanted to short). I adjusted my order to be the lowest sell price, and then BOOM... again, I was no longer the best offer. Because I realized what was occurring, I decided to turn the table and take advantage of the computer and turn it against itself.
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The coolest thing I have ever seen since I began trading ten years ago....
Wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it.. Bravo Clay
+ChanceTelevision At first I thought you were being sarcastic, but I don't believe so anymore, so thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed! It is pretty crazy out there these days thanks to the computers.
+ClayTrader definitely not sarcastic... I was amazed.... to bring down the ASK you shorted - RE comment below, how do you bring up the Bid ?
Thanks in advance.
+ClayTrader Whatever the best bid is, let's say $35, you could put in an order for $35.01 and see what happens. If the bid automatically changes to $35.02, then you know you've found a super computer.
+ClayTrader thank you Clay
Seen this in another traders video, but he didn't explain it as much as bragging about what was going on. This explains what is going on and I get it. Direct. Honest. Answers. thanks!
Can't say I'm shocked that someone showed this in a "bragging" way.
You're not competing against supercomputers, but rather ones more powerful than the average servers, usually 'co-located' next to the exchange's servers. The key word here is 'High Frequency Trading' or 'HFT' (you might want to do a bit of research on the highlighted words if you haven't come across them yet).
It is well known that market makers (MM) claim the spread as profits, by posting orders on both sides; so every time a new order is placed that narrows the established spread, the MM front runs that order in order to still be able to claim the spread.
Once you narrow the spread enough, it is no longer enough compensation for the MM given the market conditions, so they don't front run your orders any more.
Thanks for sharing.
It is a market maker bot. The issuers of ETFs usually have one if there is no natural liquidity to ensure the market that there is always a buyer and a seller.
"bot" = computer, so yeah, that's exactly what is going on.
This is more than common, every once in a while I get lucky and figure out some formulas being used. I have seen some really crazy stuff over the years when it comes to these computers.
Crazy stuff for sure.
Awesome. I remember you did a video saying market manipulation was a hoax, but I knew it existed. Cool video.
In the world of penny stocks, I firmly stand by that. Many penny stock traders think there are "market makers" that sit behind a computer and do all sorts of weird games. I don't believe that one bit.
@@claytrader still believe it to this day?
@@LilConniePromotions 100% lol... even more-so.
Thanks for sharing this important view into how we are manipulated by computer programming...very interesting thanks mucho
You're welcome.
Interesting to see first hand, what platform are you using here and do you participate in other markets? I’m new to understand the depths of markets and wonder if these computers are playing against broker clients 🤔
Here ya go: claytrader.com/resources/
Thanks for sharing
You bet!
how do you use this to your advantage? you werent really moving the stock price because there were no prints.. I guess its just to prove there are computers that have a huge edge on us? thx man, and ps, LOVE your videos.. keep it up!
+Gino Levrini If I wanted a lower buy point, you can see, that I brought down the offer price all on my own.
500 millisecond minimum holding period for offers would prevent the canceling of phantom offers.
Level playing field to much to ask?
Maybe someday that'll become a reality.
@@claytrader its NEVER gonna become a reality if no one makes noise about it.
>>> Start contacting your senators & congress men etc, and make them aware of whats going on.
>>> Start making more videos about it, and start encouraging your subs to contact their local polititians and making noise about it too. You have the platform to begin to ruffle some feathers, if you wanted to.
>>> But the only way for it to "maybe someday" have laws put in place that make sense and level the playing ground and are fair and just for all not just the whales & tankers, is to start making noise about it to your state reps! Start making more videos and educating your viewers and the public, and encourage them to be demanding their state reps for new laws about this HFT BS !!!
Thanks for the demonstration! What software are you using to do the trades? I have been using my trade account to do all my trades but it seems your are able to go a bit further with what you have. Thanks
The answer to that question and more here: claytrader.com/resources/
This reminds me of a story about a company called smithfield, a large commodity trader and pork producer. On one hand they had one of their guys go on a tv talk show and say buy pork futures and at the same time Smithfield was selling pork contracts on the floor of the chicago exchange. That was before computers so manipulation is nothing new.
Interesting.
Are you doing a pending order or market order?
What is a "pending order"? You mean "limit"?
We watched Phil Town run into this at his workshop and someone asked, "Is that a person on the other end? That was too fast." He said it was. Now I know what really happened! lol I think his reply was basically that traders do this all the time and are really fast. Yeah, not that fast! Accounting for the speed of light and human reflexes, not possible.
Yeah, no one is that fast.
well Clay, how we supposed to scalp now? these machines killing it. we cant fight them. may they not so strong when theres high volume and humans trading. what u think? Cheers
Just need to choose the right stocks at the right time and scaling is still completely possible.
what platform is he using
Here ya go: claytrader.com/resources/
a long time ago i did that same thing in commodity market.
Yeah. Crazy stuff....
but, i didn't know that, it was super computer thing . lol
Now you do :-)
yep, great explanation by you . thanks
Cheers
Damn! This was good. Even a dummy like myself understood.
Glad it could help!
They front runned your order.
Yup. And I was able to manipulate it all the way down because of it. Crazy stuff.
Great Job Clay!.. Good Video!
Thanks for the comment.
thanks for sharing d evidence
+karthik nadar You're welcome. Pretty interesting huh?
+ClayTrader yes it is interesting.
another manipulation is rise or fall in day trading happens at a certain time which may be defined in d system already for d day. i know it sounds strange but
i have noticed them in indian markets
and i wait for that time slot to short the weak ones. i have been successful almost 90% of times following the time strategy
+karthik nadar ofcourse i dnt have d evidence unless some has figured it out and shared it like clay trader has
wow
Indeed.
WOW!
Crazy stuff isn't it?
Wow
Yeah, gotta be prepared out there or the computers are going to steal your lunch.
/resurrection #chubby #clayfitness
cheers
@@claytrader are you doing a pending order or market order?
@@desd9321 this video was done years ago... pretty sure a limit order.
Some BS in real time
It is what it is.
Wow lol o.0!!!
Crazy huh?