Good video. But I think I’m going to stick to my EDC1-DFT. Just so used to having that 95k candela to reach out far. Also still not sold on the non replaceable battery in the stiletto. I like having the ability to carry a spare 18350 and or cr123s when I have a power outage or will be out in the field for a while. Plus when the 18350s wear out it’s cheap to replace.
Good point. However the stiletto pro is just an edc and not a shtf light. I agree with what you’re saying. The battery after about four years of life hasn’t degraded at all noticeably. I charge it once every two months maybe and can always count on it having power. And yes it gets used haha.
I used the original 1000 lumen stiletto pro or stiletto 2 whichever they called it. Carried it for years at work and still have it. But the non replaceable battery does suck. It no longer holds a decent charge and I officially wore the led out. It puts out maybe half the lumens it once did. But was a solid light with hard use for 3 years probably.
@@flyingplumber226 You should contact surefire. Everything I've been seeing is that if you have any problems with the battery they just send you a whole new stiletto.
Upgraded from there original stiletto to the Pro I and it is the best flashlight I ever owned. I carried different Surefire lights when I was on patrol for years and they never let me down. I'm retired now and the stiletto goes with me everywhere.
I'd love to see your impressions and testing data on the Nitecore EDC27. I was stuck between the Nitecore, Streamlight Wedge, and the Stiletto Pro. I ended up getting the Nitecore and I'm honestly impressed. The only annoyance I have, the lens has become fairly scratched because I carry my keys in the same pocket...but that's more on me than Nitecore.
Do NOT PURCHASE the EDC27 if you want a flashlight to bet your life on. Get any of the stilletos first. Expensive but, you can bet your life they will work.
I know it's unrelated but if you guys can create a lvl3 duty owb holster that accepts multiple pistols locking off the light, that would be fantastic. Im a big fan of the quality of your holsters, own two different one but needed this kind for duty use. Problem is I have several different handguns i would like to practice with. Tried the blackhawk omnivore but had enough room between the trigger guard and the holster to fit a tractor trailer! Thanks for these informative vids!
As always, you guys give the best and most informative reviews ever you’re the one stop shop when it comes to information on lights. Love you guys keep up the great work and yes, 300 and some dollars is a bit over the top. It is what it is. I’ve been buying them for the last 20 years 😬🙃🤐🔥🔥‼️
Ya, that's ALOT of marmoola. Especially for an arguably "disposable" flashlight. Although all the Stiletto line has a rechargeable battery, you can't change battery (I have the original non-Pro version).
Just bought one and it should be here in the next day or two. For me it was the form factor, candela, and features. I have a lot of lights and I'm in a position where I wanted my daily carry to be able to work in search roles and offensive roles. This will take the place of my EDCL-1T, which was great except for the candela. I have a PLHV2 on a short body but it's just bulky and I wanted other options for lumens. I do wish Surefire could have kept the exact same PRO 1 style body and just upgraded it to more candela. Hopefully the dual head style does not create too much bulk which is the entire reason I stayed away from the new turbo models.
@@TheTAEclub It’s too bulky. The 1.25” light head is too big and it’s always high then low. The Stiletto fits the edc roll very well while still being able to work as a duty light for plain clothes. Just seems to function well for everything I need.
I carried the standard stiletto for two years and it constantly turned on my leg pocket, had barely enough candela, but battery lasted a long time and the light itself burned up a bit after thise years. Got the stiletto pro a year and a half ago and it hasnt turned on in my pocket a single time, the battery doesnt last as long, has the oerfect amount of light, but the emmitter burnt up after a year and turned yellow and lost its output. The stiletto pro is better than the one but i dont want the pro 2. Surefire has had my stiletto for 4 months on RMA and i miss it. If you wear a hat constantly like my you carry it bezel up so you can have a clip on hat light and i use it almost everyday on my hat and 5-10 times a day in hand. Love these lights but the emitters burn out to fast and RMAs take FOREVER.
I have the pro one and I guess I’m gonna stick to it or possibly something else. The reason I would not want the new model is cost and two weeks ago The pro 1 activated in my pocket and melted a 1 inch hole in my pants and almost set my manhood on fire. I had the light oriented down and I guess the switch pressed against my IWB holster. I was driving and almost wrecked. Scared the hell out of me. I have since oriented the light up without problems but I’m probably going to get a different light.
Even though i carry a cloud defensive HC, there is something about surefire designs. I have the stilleto original, but they have massive problems with the head breaking off. Mine is cracked pretty bad 🤦🏽♂️😢
Gonna honestly tell yall folks when it comes for you to get a holster for your pistol and light combo the Werx holsters are of great quality and the fit and retention is excellent. I just received mine today took about 4-5 days for my G45 and Olight S which a lot of companies doesn't have to olight S combo with the G45. I am very happy with the fine tuned quality of this product. I highly recommend Werx Holster !
Just ordered one from EuroOptic. Love my Stiletto Pro... but it doesn't have a ton of candela. The new 2 basically has the same run times and admin modes I love with 7x the candela. I thought about getting either of the EDC DFT lights instead, especially because EuroOptic has them at $210-$230... but the super tight no spill beam isn't super useful for administrative stuff, and defensively I feel like it may create even more tunnel vision issues. Which is one of the problems I have with basically all the other defensive high candela edc lights like from cloud, modlight, etc. That and a lack of admin light modes. This solves many of those issues for me.
What an awesome light! That's my dream light. I carry two lights, cloud defensive mch for defensive and an Olight baton 2 (I think) for an admin light that works well and takes up no room in my pocket. Yea man, that's too much money for the average guy. Maybe if you don't already own a fancy light you can justify spending that kind of cash on a light, but for a regular guy, maybe as a birthday or Christmas presents. Leaving hints for the wife and kids like you're Ralphie in A Christmas Story. haha. "you'll shoot your eye out kid!" Haha.
I carry Nitecore EDC33 an EDC tactical flashlight , lighter, shorter with bezel 1 inch and 53k candela. Also 2,5 runtime vs just 1h and charging 2h for 4000mAh! Finally price 5x cheaper …
I love surefire… I do. I have several. I have never spent a dime for repairs, they always send them back, working perfectly! The nearly $350 price even for a pocket custom is pushing it, even if using it every day. It’s definitely not a light you can hand to someone with trust. The undersized battery/short runtime could also be a deal breaker. Some technology threshold needs to be broken before this kind of flashlight is more mainstream. I love the concept but no, not worth it.
A loop of some kind is one of my personal requirements. I run Thyrm switchbacks on my EDC1LTs and a rubber O Ring on my duty Modlite. Do you think the clip on this would easily integrate a rubber o ring?
Good UI on the Stiletto and at least Surefire isn’t still a decade behind the times in their choice of LEDs. But the $65 (plus battery) Fenix PD32v2 is 1” diameter, 1,200 lm & 39k cd. It also has three output levels that also don’t get in the way of reliable & repeated access to full output. Buying one $350 light because it’s 0.2” thinner, is a single man’s game. If you can get your wife an kids to carry a capable flashlight spending 3X, 4X, 5X… adds up quickly. We have 4X PD32v2s as EDCs.
Could you compare to Modlite Handhelds? I am stuck between Stiletto Pro II or OKW18650 or 18350. Critical points are: It’s EDC only - but I want a tactical capability Size - does it matter other than battery life? Form factor - ease of carry especially with other stuff in pockets! Performance - what is good for admin tasks and tactical application Ecosystem - which charging system is better?
We have data on the OKW 18650 from the rifle light, with one source being www.lowlightdefense.com/premium-rifle-lights-2023-the-best-are-tested/ I slightly prefer the Stiletto form factor, and I use the Stiletto Pro II admin modes daily. But the OKW does have well over 80,000 candela. Hope that helps!
Update: I ended up going with the modlite 18350 PLHv2 with a thyrm switchback clip. It fits really well in a pocket and is incredibly bright. I picked this because I already have the batteries and the price was much better. I would highly recommend, it’s been a great EDC light!
The stiletto pro 1 says it’s 1,000 lumens. The stiletto pro 2 says 1500 which you say is correct. In the video you say the SP1 has more lumens than the 2. How is that possible?
I have the pro and pro 2. An my buddy has the Arkfeld Pro. The Arkfeld pro is basically like the old Stiletto Pro in terms of lumens and candela. The Pro 2 has basically 10x the candela of the original Pro and the Arkfeld Pro. The Arkfeld also doesn't have an instant turbo mode or button so it's not great for defensive purposes. It also doesn't use the same botton functions as other olights. Usually it's one tap for the last mode used, two for turbo, and three for strobe. But the Arkfeld goes last mode, strobe, then turbo. Which is weird and results in accidental strobe activation more often than turbo. An IMO strobe is dumb. So basically it's not a defensive light... it's a Utility light. An if you don't need the laser or IR I'd take a Baton 2 or 3 over it any day. That light is super tiny. An the double tap turbo isn't as hard to activate as a backup defensive light. They also have a super tiny warrior model now that's basically a Baton 3 with a bush button end cap. But in terms of candela not even the Warrior 3S is as bright as the Pro 2. 24k candela for the 3S vs 37k candela for the Pro 2. But the Arkfeld Pro and original Pro models are more like 3.5k candela.
There are tons that are a grand to well over 4 grand, I own and have owned several of them. The problem isn’t a high price, it’s not getting what you’re paying for. And I agree, on this light, it’s overpriced and you aren’t getting anything for that higher price.
@@JimSkeltonKnivesEDC1-DFT is more bang for your buck? What about the thousand dollar plus ones which ones give a better value than this stilleto one?
@@TheTAEclub the dft is definitely more bang for the buck. High performance at a much lower price. And none of the high end customs I referred to offer better “value” because they’re not value priced items. But the higher price can be justified by those of us that like to carry them. Form factor/UI/materials/longevity/uniqueness all factor in with custom lights along with performance, but many don’t run high performance like many of the lower priced “tactical” production lights.
Honestly the nitecore EDC27 is really good for $100 i dont think you need much more and its sillier then the curefire and has 2 emitters as well and hits 3000 lumens so
Do you think this could pair well with a rubber retention ring and lanyard? I had a knowledgeable officer friend demo a probable use technique, and I'm almost sold more so than with the Thyrm rings.
When did you hop off the candela bandwagon? Makes me question the integrity of the reviews. No doubt a great light, but 35k is anemic compared to the dft
He didn't... it's a balancing act. The super high candela lights have very little utility functionality. An they exacerbate tunnel vision in defensive situations.
Don't get me wrong I like it, but What the hell are you trying to illuminate. I go to restaurants, walk the streets and we live on a 5 acre parcel and I cut across it at night to go to the other house, pitch black and my Olight Mini-Perun, lights up a huge swath of area, nothing could hide and they are way under $100. To top it off, I can stick it in my pocket, barely notice it and use it in a super low mode and read a menu in a dimly lit restaurant. I can't understand the need other than playing tactical or if you job is patrol, security and someone else is paying for your light. Oh yeah, its warrantied and I've sent back other lights by them and got an immediate replacement, free. If it needs a new battery I swap it out. I don't think personally there is a better, tiny pocket style light than one of them. I can clip it my hat, wear it as a head lamp and even hold it with my mouth in a pinch, oh yeah, it has a magnetic bottom to stick on ferrous surfaces, which I use all the time. No need to hold it as your looking under your hood or working on a tractor or a dimly lit shed. I have many clients that don't want to spend $400 on a gun, let alone this amount of money on a flashlight, lets come back to reality in pricing.
The Nitecore EDC27 is far more powerful overall with more features in the same form factor. I recently reviewed the one I carry. In turbo, it’s 3000 lm.
@@bladeflyer6 true, but it’s a pocket light, not a searchlight for prison wall guards. We only need so much throw realistically. And I can see a hell of a long way into the woods at night with it. And it’s priced fairly, it’s $90 instead of $400
@JimSkeltonKnives Have you actually compared both of them next to each other? The difference in output between them can only mean 2 things: 1: Surefire is outputting more than 1500 lumens. 2:Nitecore is outputting lesd than 3000 lumens. It does not seem as though candelas are the cause of such a large perceived discrepancy.
Not really. It's American Made while also being more compact and powerful then other comparable designs. Buy once cry once applies for white lights, atleast for me.
I agree they’re expensive. Been carrying the stiletto pro 1 for 5 years and use it every night walking my dog at the park with all the coyotes. It also stopped an asshole dead in his tracks when he came at me one night. It’s the best damn flashlight I’ve ever used and I’d buy it again in a heartbeat.
As long as Streamlight is dropping quality flashlights at sub $100 prices Surefire will always be overpriced, whether they’re a better performing light or not.
If they were overpriced they wouldn't be in business. They are the correct price for the intended customer base and you are not a part of that customer base.
@@alrbredwall I actually am in their customer base. I own and have owned several SF lights. I’m just voicing an opinion on handhelds specifically. The differences in performance aren’t worth that much price increase TO ME.
Too expensive.. the performance and rugged attributes can be had from other manufacturers for a 3rd of the price. All my weapon lights are streamlight, and i am more than satisfied.
No pocketable Streamlight handheld lights have that much output. The only one that's close is the HL-X USB but that thing as way too big for pocket carry. Even so the Surefire Pro 2 still has 500 more lumens and 10k more candela. I'll agree that for most people there's a streamlight that'll fit your use case. But for me my main flashlight is a defensive tool. Not a Utility tool. I carry a Olight Baton 3 as well for work tasks. For me the Stiletto Pro 2 is the best defensive light on the market for my purposes. An I don't mind spending budget ccw gun money one it.
I hear ya man. In some ways I'm jealous. I wish surefire products were something in my budget. But personally im not the type to have 1 of something insanely awesome, but rather i have 2, 3 or 4 of something that is just regular kind of awesome. I have 2 streamlight wedges, one for each of my plate carriers. Primary arms had the wedge on sale for $75
Honestly not much of a fan of this channel, or company anymore, I bought a FOXTROT2R for a family members pistol based on Shan saying they were gonna make "Holsters" for it not "Holster" they only offer one holster, now I need to by an additional light because I was foolish enough to believe that a guy that runs a holster company would actually make holsters for a light pistol combo that he personally endorsed. 😡😡😡😡
There isn't a lot of demand for SIG light holsters and Werkz is already a small company it's gonna take sometime to roll out multiple iterations. I'll try and help you find another holster. What position does your family member want to carry in. Also what handgun. The Werkz FOXTROT2R Holster is IWB / AIWB, how else would they conceal carry or are they open carrying?
Good video. But I think I’m going to stick to my EDC1-DFT. Just so used to having that 95k candela to reach out far.
Also still not sold on the non replaceable battery in the stiletto. I like having the ability to carry a spare 18350 and or cr123s when I have a power outage or will be out in the field for a while. Plus when the 18350s wear out it’s cheap to replace.
Good point. However the stiletto pro is just an edc and not a shtf light. I agree with what you’re saying. The battery after about four years of life hasn’t degraded at all noticeably. I charge it once every two months maybe and can always count on it having power. And yes it gets used haha.
I used the original 1000 lumen stiletto pro or stiletto 2 whichever they called it. Carried it for years at work and still have it. But the non replaceable battery does suck. It no longer holds a decent charge and I officially wore the led out. It puts out maybe half the lumens it once did. But was a solid light with hard use for 3 years probably.
@@flyingplumber226 You should contact surefire. Everything I've been seeing is that if you have any problems with the battery they just send you a whole new stiletto.
My first Maglite weighed almost two pounds and had a whopping *40* lumens 😂
Flashlights have come a long way in my lifetime
Upgraded from there original stiletto to the Pro I and it is the best flashlight I ever owned. I carried different Surefire lights when I was on patrol for years and they never let me down. I'm retired now and the stiletto goes with me everywhere.
Can I buy your used pro1?
I'd love to see your impressions and testing data on the Nitecore EDC27. I was stuck between the Nitecore, Streamlight Wedge, and the Stiletto Pro. I ended up getting the Nitecore and I'm honestly impressed. The only annoyance I have, the lens has become fairly scratched because I carry my keys in the same pocket...but that's more on me than Nitecore.
Do NOT PURCHASE the EDC27 if you want a flashlight to bet your life on. Get any of the stilletos first. Expensive but, you can bet your life they will work.
@@Gunner4D come on dude wise up
@@Nordraw Nah, why don't you troll up?
I know it's unrelated but if you guys can create a lvl3 duty owb holster that accepts multiple pistols locking off the light, that would be fantastic. Im a big fan of the quality of your holsters, own two different one but needed this kind for duty use. Problem is I have several different handguns i would like to practice with. Tried the blackhawk omnivore but had enough room between the trigger guard and the holster to fit a tractor trailer! Thanks for these informative vids!
As always, you guys give the best and most informative reviews ever you’re the one stop shop when it comes to information on lights. Love you guys keep up the great work and yes, 300 and some dollars is a bit over the top. It is what it is. I’ve been buying them for the last 20 years 😬🙃🤐🔥🔥‼️
It truly is built like a tank
Ya, that's ALOT of marmoola. Especially for an arguably "disposable" flashlight. Although all the Stiletto line has a rechargeable battery, you can't change battery (I have the original non-Pro version).
Surefire does it again. Pro 2 is a competition killer in the flashlight market.
Just bought one and it should be here in the next day or two. For me it was the form factor, candela, and features. I have a lot of lights and I'm in a position where I wanted my daily carry to be able to work in search roles and offensive roles. This will take the place of my EDCL-1T, which was great except for the candela. I have a PLHV2 on a short body but it's just bulky and I wanted other options for lumens. I do wish Surefire could have kept the exact same PRO 1 style body and just upgraded it to more candela. Hopefully the dual head style does not create too much bulk which is the entire reason I stayed away from the new turbo models.
Edc1 dft? 95k candella
@@TheTAEclub It’s too bulky. The 1.25” light head is too big and it’s always high then low. The Stiletto fits the edc roll very well while still being able to work as a duty light for plain clothes. Just seems to function well for everything I need.
I carried the standard stiletto for two years and it constantly turned on my leg pocket, had barely enough candela, but battery lasted a long time and the light itself burned up a bit after thise years. Got the stiletto pro a year and a half ago and it hasnt turned on in my pocket a single time, the battery doesnt last as long, has the oerfect amount of light, but the emmitter burnt up after a year and turned yellow and lost its output. The stiletto pro is better than the one but i dont want the pro 2. Surefire has had my stiletto for 4 months on RMA and i miss it. If you wear a hat constantly like my you carry it bezel up so you can have a clip on hat light and i use it almost everyday on my hat and 5-10 times a day in hand. Love these lights but the emitters burn out to fast and RMAs take FOREVER.
I have the pro one and I guess I’m gonna stick to it or possibly something else. The reason I would not want the new model is cost and two weeks ago
The pro 1 activated in my pocket and melted a 1 inch hole in my pants and almost set my manhood on fire. I had the light oriented down and I guess the switch pressed against my IWB holster. I was driving and almost wrecked. Scared the hell out of me. I have since oriented the light up without problems but I’m probably going to get a different light.
Even though i carry a cloud defensive HC, there is something about surefire designs. I have the stilleto original, but they have massive problems with the head breaking off. Mine is cracked pretty bad 🤦🏽♂️😢
Are you guys planning to make a holster for the 2024 staccato cs ? Since it’s a popular ccw
Gonna honestly tell yall folks when it comes for you to get a holster for your pistol and light combo the Werx holsters are of great quality and the fit and retention is excellent. I just received mine today took about 4-5 days for my G45 and Olight S which a lot of companies doesn't have to olight S combo with the G45. I am very happy with the fine tuned quality of this product. I highly recommend Werx Holster !
Just ordered one from EuroOptic. Love my Stiletto Pro... but it doesn't have a ton of candela. The new 2 basically has the same run times and admin modes I love with 7x the candela.
I thought about getting either of the EDC DFT lights instead, especially because EuroOptic has them at $210-$230... but the super tight no spill beam isn't super useful for administrative stuff, and defensively I feel like it may create even more tunnel vision issues.
Which is one of the problems I have with basically all the other defensive high candela edc lights like from cloud, modlight, etc.
That and a lack of admin light modes. This solves many of those issues for me.
@Marc-kq6vz It still has less admin modes than the Stilett. Also the tight beam isn't useful for administrative tasks IMO.
What an awesome light! That's my dream light. I carry two lights, cloud defensive mch for defensive and an Olight baton 2 (I think) for an admin light that works well and takes up no room in my pocket.
Yea man, that's too much money for the average guy. Maybe if you don't already own a fancy light you can justify spending that kind of cash on a light, but for a regular guy, maybe as a birthday or Christmas presents. Leaving hints for the wife and kids like you're Ralphie in A Christmas Story. haha. "you'll shoot your eye out kid!" Haha.
what about the Arkfeld Pro Flat EDC Flashlight with LED Light UV and Laser
Ive gone through 2 arkfelds just bought a 3rd, cool feature set and I'll continue using them but theyre not something to use defensively
I carry Nitecore EDC33 an EDC tactical flashlight , lighter, shorter with bezel 1 inch and 53k candela. Also 2,5 runtime vs just 1h and charging 2h for 4000mAh! Finally price 5x cheaper …
I love surefire… I do. I have several. I have never spent a dime for repairs, they always send them back, working perfectly! The nearly $350 price even for a pocket custom is pushing it, even if using it every day. It’s definitely not a light you can hand to someone with trust. The undersized battery/short runtime could also be a deal breaker. Some technology threshold needs to be broken before this kind of flashlight is more mainstream. I love the concept but no, not worth it.
A loop of some kind is one of my personal requirements. I run Thyrm switchbacks on my EDC1LTs and a rubber O Ring on my duty Modlite.
Do you think the clip on this would easily integrate a rubber o ring?
I carry a Fenix PD36R Pro, a great light, which costs about $120. So, no, I would never spend $350 on a Surefire pocket light.
Good UI on the Stiletto and at least Surefire isn’t still a decade behind the times in their choice of LEDs.
But the $65 (plus battery) Fenix PD32v2 is 1” diameter, 1,200 lm & 39k cd.
It also has three output levels that also don’t get in the way of reliable & repeated access to full output.
Buying one $350 light because it’s 0.2” thinner, is a single man’s game.
If you can get your wife an kids to carry a capable flashlight spending 3X, 4X, 5X… adds up quickly. We have 4X PD32v2s as EDCs.
Its a no no for non replaceble battery
Could you compare to Modlite Handhelds? I am stuck between Stiletto Pro II or OKW18650 or 18350.
Critical points are:
It’s EDC only - but I want a tactical capability
Size - does it matter other than battery life?
Form factor - ease of carry especially with other stuff in pockets!
Performance - what is good for admin tasks and tactical application
Ecosystem - which charging system is better?
We have data on the OKW 18650 from the rifle light, with one source being www.lowlightdefense.com/premium-rifle-lights-2023-the-best-are-tested/ I slightly prefer the Stiletto form factor, and I use the Stiletto Pro II admin modes daily. But the OKW does have well over 80,000 candela. Hope that helps!
@@WerkzHolsters Perfect! Thank you for your reply! This will help me make my decision and I’m leaning toward the stiletto pro II
Update: I ended up going with the modlite 18350 PLHv2 with a thyrm switchback clip. It fits really well in a pocket and is incredibly bright. I picked this because I already have the batteries and the price was much better. I would highly recommend, it’s been a great EDC light!
The stiletto pro 1 says it’s 1,000 lumens. The stiletto pro 2 says 1500 which you say is correct. In the video you say the SP1 has more lumens than the 2. How is that possible?
Overpriced but I’m still buying! Hahahaha
Minimum output of 25 lumens is too bright.. Should be 5 lumens..
How would you compare this to an Arkfeld Pro?
I have the pro and pro 2. An my buddy has the Arkfeld Pro. The Arkfeld pro is basically like the old Stiletto Pro in terms of lumens and candela. The Pro 2 has basically 10x the candela of the original Pro and the Arkfeld Pro.
The Arkfeld also doesn't have an instant turbo mode or button so it's not great for defensive purposes. It also doesn't use the same botton functions as other olights. Usually it's one tap for the last mode used, two for turbo, and three for strobe. But the Arkfeld goes last mode, strobe, then turbo. Which is weird and results in accidental strobe activation more often than turbo. An IMO strobe is dumb.
So basically it's not a defensive light... it's a Utility light. An if you don't need the laser or IR I'd take a Baton 2 or 3 over it any day. That light is super tiny. An the double tap turbo isn't as hard to activate as a backup defensive light. They also have a super tiny warrior model now that's basically a Baton 3 with a bush button end cap.
But in terms of candela not even the Warrior 3S is as bright as the Pro 2. 24k candela for the 3S vs 37k candela for the Pro 2. But the Arkfeld Pro and original Pro models are more like 3.5k candela.
It is impressive but that price makes me hate my self 400+ for an edc light
There are tons that are a grand to well over 4 grand, I own and have owned several of them. The problem isn’t a high price, it’s not getting what you’re paying for. And I agree, on this light, it’s overpriced and you aren’t getting anything for that higher price.
@@JimSkeltonKnivesEDC1-DFT is more bang for your buck? What about the thousand dollar plus ones which ones give a better value than this stilleto one?
@@TheTAEclub the dft is definitely more bang for the buck. High performance at a much lower price. And none of the high end customs I referred to offer better “value” because they’re not value priced items. But the higher price can be justified by those of us that like to carry them. Form factor/UI/materials/longevity/uniqueness all factor in with custom lights along with performance, but many don’t run high performance like many of the lower priced “tactical” production lights.
Honestly the nitecore EDC27 is really good for $100 i dont think you need much more and its sillier then the curefire and has 2 emitters as well and hits 3000 lumens so
Do you think this could pair well with a rubber retention ring and lanyard? I had a knowledgeable officer friend demo a probable use technique, and I'm almost sold more so than with the Thyrm rings.
The basic stiletto is still the best one Its , much lighter , cheaper and more than enough for daily use. Do not waste your money on the pro series
Will that be adopted into the scout lights ?
Hellllzno
When did you hop off the candela bandwagon? Makes me question the integrity of the reviews. No doubt a great light, but 35k is anemic compared to the dft
He didn't... it's a balancing act. The super high candela lights have very little utility functionality. An they exacerbate tunnel vision in defensive situations.
@@project86xero lol ok
Great light, but too rich for my blood.
Looks like LEO discounted price is $279 on this on primary arms
Ah yeah???
Don't get me wrong I like it, but What the hell are you trying to illuminate. I go to restaurants, walk the streets and we live on a 5 acre parcel and I cut across it at night to go to the other house, pitch black and my Olight Mini-Perun, lights up a huge swath of area, nothing could hide and they are way under $100. To top it off, I can stick it in my pocket, barely notice it and use it in a super low mode and read a menu in a dimly lit restaurant. I can't understand the need other than playing tactical or if you job is patrol, security and someone else is paying for your light. Oh yeah, its warrantied and I've sent back other lights by them and got an immediate replacement, free. If it needs a new battery I swap it out. I don't think personally there is a better, tiny pocket style light than one of them. I can clip it my hat, wear it as a head lamp and even hold it with my mouth in a pinch, oh yeah, it has a magnetic bottom to stick on ferrous surfaces, which I use all the time. No need to hold it as your looking under your hood or working on a tractor or a dimly lit shed. I have many clients that don't want to spend $400 on a gun, let alone this amount of money on a flashlight, lets come back to reality in pricing.
Sure fire is definitely targeted towards military/LEO and they have their place for that.
I do agree for the average person probably not worth it.
The 35k candela is pretty shitty, otherwise it’s pretty good
For a handheld, that's plenty. Unless you're scanning fields or large parking lots
The Nitecore EDC27 is far more powerful overall with more features in the same form factor. I recently reviewed the one I carry. In turbo, it’s 3000 lm.
The EDC27 has more lumens. But has a lot less Candela at 12k vs the surefire at 35k.
@@bladeflyer6 true, but it’s a pocket light, not a searchlight for prison wall guards. We only need so much throw realistically. And I can see a hell of a long way into the woods at night with it. And it’s priced fairly, it’s $90 instead of $400
@JimSkeltonKnives Have you actually compared both of them next to each other? The difference in output between them can only mean 2 things:
1: Surefire is outputting more than 1500 lumens.
2:Nitecore is outputting lesd than 3000 lumens.
It does not seem as though candelas are the cause of such a large perceived discrepancy.
I'm skeptical about NITECORE27's 3000 lumens. It looks darker than Stiletto Pro's 1000 lumens.
Overpriced!
Not really. It's American Made while also being more compact and powerful then other comparable designs. Buy once cry once applies for white lights, atleast for me.
I agree they’re expensive. Been carrying the stiletto pro 1 for 5 years and use it every night walking my dog at the park with all the coyotes. It also stopped an asshole dead in his tracks when he came at me one night. It’s the best damn flashlight I’ve ever used and I’d buy it again in a heartbeat.
@@brandonrichardson5123 wait assholes walk on all four?
No kidding!! Way outta my budget!
Sorry broke boy
As long as Streamlight is dropping quality flashlights at sub $100 prices Surefire will always be overpriced, whether they’re a better performing light or not.
If they were overpriced they wouldn't be in business. They are the correct price for the intended customer base and you are not a part of that customer base.
@@alrbredwall I actually am in their customer base. I own and have owned several SF lights. I’m just voicing an opinion on handhelds specifically. The differences in performance aren’t worth that much price increase TO ME.
@ape-xfitness5785 then you are not in the target demographic for the handheld products which is not a bad thing. I too enjoy the weapon mounted lights
It's a Surefire. It's made in America
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!
Value is subjective. All of the broke people in the comments section say it is not worth it. The rest of us are going to buy it.
The overpriced king. You can buy better but you can't buy more expensive.
What’s better?
Too expensive.. the performance and rugged attributes can be had from other manufacturers for a 3rd of the price. All my weapon lights are streamlight, and i am more than satisfied.
No pocketable Streamlight handheld lights have that much output. The only one that's close is the HL-X USB but that thing as way too big for pocket carry. Even so the Surefire Pro 2 still has 500 more lumens and 10k more candela.
I'll agree that for most people there's a streamlight that'll fit your use case. But for me my main flashlight is a defensive tool. Not a Utility tool. I carry a Olight Baton 3 as well for work tasks. For me the Stiletto Pro 2 is the best defensive light on the market for my purposes. An I don't mind spending budget ccw gun money one it.
I hear ya man. In some ways I'm jealous. I wish surefire products were something in my budget. But personally im not the type to have 1 of something insanely awesome, but rather i have 2, 3 or 4 of something that is just regular kind of awesome. I have 2 streamlight wedges, one for each of my plate carriers. Primary arms had the wedge on sale for $75
Useless and overpriced and runtime sucks
Honestly not much of a fan of this channel, or company anymore, I bought a FOXTROT2R for a family members pistol based on Shan saying they were gonna make "Holsters" for it not "Holster" they only offer one holster, now I need to by an additional light because I was foolish enough to believe that a guy that runs a holster company would actually make holsters for a light pistol combo that he personally endorsed.
😡😡😡😡
There isn't a lot of demand for SIG light holsters and Werkz is already a small company it's gonna take sometime to roll out multiple iterations.
I'll try and help you find another holster.
What position does your family member want to carry in. Also what handgun.
The Werkz FOXTROT2R Holster is IWB / AIWB, how else would they conceal carry or are they open carrying?
Sorry broke boy. It's a tiny company for your niche light and gun combo.
@@alrbredwall Honk honk 🤡
What is the most comparable EDC light that is dual fuel for EDC and camping?? 🏕️ thank you! Great video
EDC1-DFT? And better maybe
Less lumen but more than double candel
Fenix PD32v2