The Trinitarian Explanation of Mark
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- In this video, Johnny critiques the Trinitarian interpretation of Mark 10:17-18, which states, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone." He argues that Jesus' response clearly teaches Unitarianism by distinguishing himself from God. Using an analogy, Johnny illustrates that the rich young ruler, like any Jew of that time, would not conclude Jesus is God from this statement due to their understanding of God as a singular, non-human entity. He further dismantles the logical argument Trinitarians use by showing that other biblical figures described as "good," like Barnabas, do not imply divinity. Johnny concludes that Jesus was highlighting that God is in a unique category of goodness, incomparable to anyone, including Jesus himself.
Verses: Mark 10:17-18
Teacher: Johnny Barnes
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What we have been taught is NOT what Jesus himself believed. Amen to that. Thank you, brother!
God is light.... we are all that same one light.... just a little lost in the darkness of this world 😊
@@achildofthelight4725 Light was crated on Day One. Are you not confusing the created with its Creator?
@@nazorean This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
Are you saying GOD created himself?
@@achildofthelight4725 I think it's perhaps a bit more complex than that. Just as we are *_not_* to follow our Hearts, for our Hearts can be corrupted, we are *_not necessarily_* a part of the Light mentioned in Genesis 1.3. That "Light" was created *_before_* sources of light existed! And, I think, it is more fundamental than electromagnetic radiation (what we call "light"), but more at the purpose of Nature's "light." Namely, the Light of Genesis 1.3 is that which *_allows_* us to have *_Awareness_* of something.
God is Light because He is fully aware. We are NOT Light (though we hunger for it) because we are NOT fully aware.
Just as God is Love, the creation of Nature was one of creating *_anti-Love_* -- which is Space -- the thing which separates us and keeps us from fully Knowing each other and God.
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*_Well said!_* If, as some think, John 3.13 was part of what Jesus told Nicodemus, then he described himself as one of us who was the *_First_* to figure out how to get back to Heaven, and thus earned all of the Honors and Responsibilities of being First. Then, while in Heaven, he received God's commandment to return to Earth in order to help the rest of His children return to Heaven. And then, Christ was born to Mary in Bethlehem.
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*_Trinitarians are so ATTACHED_* to the notion of Jesus being God that to discover that he isn't God threatens ALL of their beliefs. This *_reveals_* their severe LACK of Humility. They imply that they have superior understanding, when the correct posture is always one of perpetual humility and perpetual hunger to learn more. Even the simplest of things can be *_misunderstood_* simply because we are viewing them from within the *_Darkness_* of Physical Reality.
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Well said!
yes very well said and that has been my experience. This discovery has so boosted my own understanding, continuity of scripture, and faith, yet my old trinitarian friends will shut their ears to anything i try to say, and get angry without contemplating what i try to point out.
Like the proverbial ostrich sticking its head in the sand.
@@ken440 Yes, this is the behavior of Ego on virtually every topic imaginable.
When a person becomes *_Certain_* about any topic, they naturally *_Stop Looking._* This very act of *_Stopping_* blinds them to all the evidence which might otherwise prove them wrong.
And being *_Wrong_* is both dangerous and painful.
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Reference:
*_Dumb Genius: How intelligence is sometimes its own worst enemy_*
That's complete nonsense. The Bible is clear as to who Jesus Christ is, and it gives us enough doctrine to positively identify Him as God incarnate during His earthly ministry. Has nothing to do with lack of humility or misunderstanding as you falsely claim. Anybody who "discovers" that Jesus Christ is not God has gone the way of heresy. Let's see what the Bible ACTUALLY says about Jesus Christ, in contrast to the satanic doctrine that He is not God.
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1:8)
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. (Revelation 1:18)
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
(John 8:58)
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. (1 John 5:20)
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. (Zechariah 12:10)--Did you get this one? God Himself is speaking here, and in most of the verses in Zechariah chapter 12. What then does "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced" mean?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)
The verses that I listed are plainly stated in the Bible and easily comprehended and they refute one of unitarianism's abominable lies, namely, that Jesus is not God.
@@ricardoguzman5014 the verses you stated are the usual bunch of trinity proofs, seen without reference to original language.
They are all addressed on pretty much all the unitarian channels, which are there to explain and draw YOUR attention to the misunderstanding of these proof texts you claim.
You must perhaps be Roman Catholic.
Mark 10:18 & its parallel in Luke 18:19 are the bottom line for me regarding Yeshua's person. The only way Trinitarians can make any kind of defense of their stance using these verses are to twist themselves into theological pretzels & it never looks good or convincing.
In the same essence - does God have a God? Of course not.... so then when Jesus says in John 20:17;
"Jesus *said to her, “Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’”
Jesus has a God.... therefore he is not God
yep, right on the money.
St. Thomas the Apostle, a mere 11 verses later says in John 20:28 ‘My Lord and my God’ in reference to Jesus. Jesus doesn’t try to deny his divinity or rebuke him, but rather asks why does he (Thomas) believe that he (Jesus) is God. When Jesus is talking about having a God, he’s talking from the perspective of being a human. He has two natures, a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. When Jesus is talking about having a God, he’s speaking human to human, since he very clearly affirms his divinity in John 20:28-30.
@@Nieden-Pilled saint Thomas eh? well saint Neiden (you are a christian right) that old chestnut is asked and answered in pretty much every thread on these videos. Jesus is THE FULL MANIFESTATION of God. according to Paul.
Unseen spirit of God within the man Jesus. Deut18:18. read it.
all us saints have been explaining this to you trinitarian saints for ages.
Thomas just had the lightbulb moment, as Jesus had been telling them, seen me seen the father. Father and I are one (purpose, job of work, team mates)
@@Nieden-Pilled So instead of addressing what is plainly shown, you deflect with a verse that is always twisted to suit your blasphemous and eisegetical presuppositions.... typical.
Ignore and deflect....
@@leagreenall5972 No, I’m not deflecting. You can’t claim that Jesus is not claiming to be God in John 20 when he affirms to St. Thomas that he in fact, is God. When he talks about having a God (‘Your God and my God’), he is talking from the perspective of a human, he’s affirming his humanity. However he also affirms to Thomas that he is in fact God. This is actually a fairly important chapter for the Council of Chalcedon, which led to the proclamation that Jesus has a fully human and fully divine nature.
Why did Jesus say to the wealthy man, "only God is good"?
To fulfill, and stay consistent with, what was spoken about him in the Psalms:
Psalms 16:2 I say to the LORD [Yahweh], “You are my Lord; I have no good apart from you.”
In Hebrew the text reads:
"... My goodness is nothing apart from You."
Mark 10:18
Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?" Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.
Proof the Trinity Error
In this passage, Jesus denies he is God by indicating he should not be called good since "no one is good but God alone."
The Trinitarian Reponse
Trinitarians resort to a nullification of Jesus' words. Their response usually goes something like, "Are you saying Jesus is not good?" suggesting that the issue is about moral goodness. Trinitarians like to pretend that Jesus is coyly suggesting that he himself is that good God.
But the passage is not about whether WE say Jesus is good nor not. The passage is about what JESUS said. He is the one who said, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." No one would say such a thing to someone else unless they wanted to correct them and point out that their words were misdirected.
The Evidence
1. The Significance of of Jesus' words
Carefully regard what Jesus actually said:
"Why do you call ME good? No one is good but GOD ALONE."
Honestly regard the obvious contrast between "me" and "God alone." To try and avoid the plain implication of these words, Trinitarians like to pretend Jesus is being enigmatically coy as if he is suggestively implying he himself is the one God without coming right out and saying it. But this is to imagine an extraneous notion into the text for which there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
The implications of Jesus' words are obvious. "Why do you call ME good?" Why would you do such a thing? Why would you say such a thing when only God is good?
ME VS. GOD
Why do you call ME good? No one is good but GOD alone.
2. Jesus Christ's God
When Jesus said, "No one is good but God alone," was he necessarily referring to his God? Of course he was. There is only one God and that one God was/is his God. Therefore, he was necessarily referring to that one God, his God. Of course he was referring to his God. There is no way around it. To answer "NO" is to implicitly admit to polytheism. There is only one God and Jesus Christ's God is that one God. This is an inescapable fact of Scripture.
3. The Source of all Good: The Father
Only God Himself is intrinsically good. Everything which is good comes from God. He is the source of all good.
I say to Yahweh, “You are my Lord; I have no good apart from you.” Psalm 16:2
Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. James 1:17.
A man can receive nothing unless it has been given him from heaven. John 3:27
4. Was Jesus confused?
Trinitarians claim that if only God is good then Jesus must be God because Jesus is good. However, Jesus is actually indicating the opposite to be true and is giving the glory for all good to his God and Father. Jesus is not here indicating that everone else is not good. Indeed, if Jesus had made such a statement, he would be contradicting the Scriptures as well as himself. There were many people called "good" (agathos) in the Scriptures. Here are some examples.
Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. Luke 1:6.
The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good. (Matthew 12:35).
Well done, good and faithful servant. (Matthew 25:21, 23).
And a man named Joseph, who was a member of the Council, a good and righteous man.... (Luke 23:50).
For [Barnabas] was a good man, and full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. (Acts 11:24).
Let the reader fully understand that the Trinitarian interpretation of Mark 10:18 contradicts Scripture. They are interpreting Jesus at Mark 10:18 to mean that no man can ever be called morally "good." However, these passages do indeed call men "good" in reference to moral goodness demonstrating that their interpretation of Mark 10:18 cannot be correct.
5. "Good TEACHER" not Moral Goodness
The account begins with Jesus responding to a man who called him "Good Teacher." These are the words Jesus is responding to when he asks why he had been called good. And then he further clarifies by saying, "No one is good but God alone." Since he was called "Good Teacher," Jesus is responding specifically to being called "Good TEACHER." The following illustrates why Jesus responded the way he did.
Rabbi, we know that You are a Teacher come from God for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him. (John 3:2; cf. 1:6).
My Teaching is not mine, but His who sent me. If any man's will is to do His will, he shall know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority. He who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory but he who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood. (John 7:16-18).
Jesus said many times that his teaching and his words were not his own but the Father's who sent him. Jesus responds to being called "Good Teacher" by asking the man why he called him "Good" when he called him "Good Teacher." As Jesus himself declared, "My teaching is not mine." In other words, the context is not about being intrinsically good versus bad with respect to morality, but about why Jesus is a "Good Teacher." Jesus was a good teacher because the things he taught were not his own but God's. His teaching was not his own teaching but his Father's. This good thing came from God. In other words, Jesus is not taking credit for his teaching since it is the Father's teaching. No one is good but God alone. But because he says that only God is the source of such good things, he IS effectively indicating he is not God by making this statement.
Conclusion
Jesus clearly denies he is God here in this verse by insisting only God is good. Since there is only one God, his God, Jesus was necessarily referring to HIS God. Being addressed as "GOOD Teacher," Jesus responds that no one is GOOD but God alone. He is responding to being called "Good TEACHER." Hence, the subject matter is not moral goodness but his good teaching. Jesus tells us many times his words and his teaching were not his own but the Father's who sent him. By contrasting himself with God, and by saying no one is good but God alone with respect to his teachings, Jesus was denying that he is God.
It is written in the prophets, "And they shall all be taught by God."
Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to me.
John 6:45
excellent breakdown of trinitarian misunderstanding, if only they could listen.
@@ken440 Yeah, the breakdown is good (not mine btw), but no surprise a non-trinie is actually reading it. I recently got called a heretic by a pastor when I talked to him about it. They usually get very emotional, defensive and hostile when you only say something about it. If you are interested in breakdowns of other verses you can google: "the trinity delusion angelfire". The author is brother Kell and he also has 2 youtube channels, one is called "the trinity delusion".
First it is important to observe that Jesus attached much importance to being addressed as "Good Teacher". Unfortunately we did not get to hear from the man why he referred to Jesus as a good teacher. Saying someone is a good teacher could be common language but Jesus could read further than that and address the man's real motive. Was he trying to flatter Jesus? Did he really mean it? Jesus asked "Why do you call me good?" but did not wait for the man's answer since he knew it already. He then gave the man the info he needed to know - "No one is good except God alone." Jesus response is in tandem with what he has been saying and what he wanted people to know about him. He was simply telling the man that if he has found him to be good it is because of the Father who is in him. He ascribed the good he did to the Father. This is well elaborated in John's gospel. For example:
“Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise”. [John 5:19].
"Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he , and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him." [John 8:28-29]
It may seem as if Jesus did not answer the man's question concerning inheriting life in the age to come, but he did. Jesus was more or less telling him that to have eternal life you must know God who alone is good and the goodness he exhibited is by God who is in him. " And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." [John 17:3].
Why do you believe that Barnabas is good, but that Jesus isn't ?
Theological pretizal,, i like that term! I use BIBLE BABBLE , MYSTEROUS MAZE OF CONFUSION. youre welcome to use them too. Another is. Witches cauldren of confuusion! 😅
3 drip. Agreed jah is alpha and omega.
Jesus is FIRST AND THE LAST!
first and last spirt being to become earthy being, first and last earthly being to make the sacrifical death, first and last being to be raised to heaven by jehovah, all remaining resurectiins will be performed by jesus as king.
The man came to Jesus, thinking that Jesus would definitely inherit eternal life because he was so good. Then Jesus says, 'no one is good except God', when there's no doubt that Jesus was himself demonstrating a lot of goodness. That might have been a perplexing thing for that man to hear. However, I think Jesus was trying to show that his goodness was not inherent. It wasn't in his human nature to be this good, and therefore it had to come from God, who alone is good. This links with Jesus saying things like, 'the word which you hear is not mine', 'I can of my own self do nothing', and 'the Father that dwells in me, he does the works'. All showing that whatever good Jesus did was derived from someone else. God his father.
This should have caused the man to ask, so if Jesus is only good by getting it from God, then how can I inherit eternal life by doing a good thing? Because the man had asked 'what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?' And the emphasis here is on the 'I'. What good thing could this man do? If this man wasn't good to begin with, and if goodness is not naturally in us, then how could he think to get salvation by doing a good thing?
Instead the question should be, 'what good thing can God do, that we might inherit eternal life?' And when we ask it that way it becomes clearer. We realise that God did the good thing by providing his beloved son to redeem us. And for our part Jesus says, 'this is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he has sent' (John 6:29). Then when we've entered into God's grace by believing his goodness, this can be followed by good works. But, even these are not of us, because Paul says, 'it is God that works in you, both to will and to do of his good pleasure' (Philippians 2:13).
Do you believe that Christ was the begotten Son of God, or metaphorical?
It’s a parable , The sheep will hear his voice.
Jesus is speaking as the truth (spirit of truth) my sheep know my voice.... because it is absolute, nothing can over shadow it, where as, if you believed in santa clause for the first 8 years of your life, that truth will set you free when you discover there was not such a man, and becomes a thing of the past.... no looking back, you might be deceived again. 🤣
@@TheApostleofChrist don't forget, wolves in sheeps clothing.... the truth sets you free, when you stop believing.
There is nothing left to do now, nothing to wait for.... just be ❤
@@TheApostleofChrist false truths blind you, you see no light. When your heal has been struck, the truth sets you free.... nothing left to cling onto.
@@TheApostleofChrist Jesus said, go baptize in the name of the father son and Holy Spirit. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible that that happened?
@@TheApostleofChrist why not
#1 IF Jesus was God and it was imperative to know this as a part of salvation.... why didnt he mention it on the sermon of the Mount?
#2 John 20:17
I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
MATTHEW 16
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
WHY DIDNT JESUS CORRECT HIM?? That was the perfect time to
excellent and obvious logic point, yet many will shut their eyes and ears to it.
Peter was correct though, Jesus is the Son of the living God. And, as the son of God, he is God. If Jesus isn’t God, then John 16 makes absolutely no sense and Jesus was lying. John 16:12-15 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
If Jesus has everything the Father has, then why would that not include his divine essence/divinity? Furthermore, the Holy Spirit (which I understand you Unitarians believe to be some kind of presence/extension of the Father) is receiving his message of truth from the Son. Why does God almighty need to receive the message of truth, which he gives to the apostles, from his own creation? Is God now subordinate to his own creation?
@@Nieden-Pilled what you just said, first couple sentences, makes no sense.
Think it through, what you said. Now put yourself in there.
You are the son of YOUR FATHER. Therefore you are your father, seen one seen the other. Your father and you are one.
Correct?..... absolute baloney.
How could you even start to say something like that.
Im the son of my father, but my mother would be surprised when birthing to have my father pop out.
As a christian you and I are both new birth sons of God right?.
So are you therefore God? I know Im not!
Adam was the created first human son of God, so are you saying he was God too? of course you arent.
@@Nieden-Pilled Jesus has Gods divinity, essence, NOW. He was MADE lord and anointed Acts2:36 (God was Lord beforehand, all those references in OT.) and Jesus was glorified much higher than angels, and GIVEN Gods power and authority in all heaven and earth (like God has stepped aside and given the drivers seat to His son Jesus.)
Your unitarians dont say Jesus is not divine, NOW, they just say he wasnt divine BEFORE being raised... he was "made a little lower than the angels."
Furthermore (you trinitarians claim the spirit is actually the third person of God, equal.) if the holy spirit was given to christians, then what is Jesus doing telling another part of himself stuff??
See your argument works against you too.
@@ken440 Stop using human analogies to try and understand God. Jesus, as the son of God, is of the father. If Jesus is of the father, he also has to be God, like the Father, otherwise he can’t be of the Father. Applying human familial analogies to the trinity don’t work.
This was great! Can I used this to make a video myself?
Yes you are welcome to!
Great explanation. For future reference, the sibilance is very distracting. A simple cut around 4k Hz would make it a lot easier to hear the words you are saying. Thank you for your great teachings and God Bless you.
You are cherry picking! You must read the rest of bible to understand that Jesus said he is indeed God. You must read everything in context. You have to ask yourself why did Jesus answer the way he did or made statements the way he did. Pray to God to reveal this to you..
I addressed how a 1st century Jew, the Rich young ruler, would have understood Jesus words. That is not cherry picking. I have read the rest of the Bible. Jesus himself has a God over him (John 20:17) and calls Him the Only True God (John 17:3).
Truth.
So good!♥♥♥ (That doesn't mean this teaching is God😂)
So, only Jesus is not good?
Im a muslim and I use this verse relentlessly in discussions with trinitarians.
After God had finished gardening, he sat back in his deckchair with a nice cold beer, and said.... it is good.
What was in the beginning, was a vision of the end.... we are all evolving into a beautiful tree of life, but he has a chainsaw beside him, to chop off any branches that we hinder the tree. One branch should have been an example to us all..... Stop following blindly!!
Not all christians are trinitarian.
@@Cato1006 144,000 denominations from Abraham! All because he laughed at God, and then imagined a child sacrifice whilst dragging his own child up a hill!
Unbelievable!
@@achildofthelight4725 You forgot to take your meds today?
I’ve struggled as a Unitarian to explain to my Muslim friends that I believe that Jesus is NOT God. Why do you think they struggle to accept that?
I wonder how long its going to take believers to realize that salvation isnt about heaven or hell but about freedom from selfish destructive behaviors.
This certainly is a big part of salvation that gets overlooked, but I think salvation from "death" is also a clear component of salvation.
How do you get saved AND as a bonus saved from the warth to come according to the bilble? 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rev 5:13 And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying,
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!”
In this passage, John is very clear to point out that every creature, every creature in heaven earth, and the sea is worshiping the lamb and the one who sits on the throne. So is Jesus a creature? Or the word made flesh? Go to revelations one and read how he’s the alpha and the Omega as well then head over to Isaiah 44:6 and note that Jehovah in the Old Testament was called the same: the alpha and the omega these parallels keep lining up over and over. But you want to use this one line that you might not clearly understand to base your understanding. There’s a lot more that points to Jesus being God in the flesh, then him not being God in the flesh.
Johnny isn't basing his understanding just on this verse. He's done other videos on other verses that Trinitarian's use as well. And on this and related channels there's many videos explaining the various proof texts that Trinity believers use. Then there's many videos talking about all the passages that describe God and Jesus from a Biblical Unitarian perspective.
There's actually a lot more that points to Jesus being a separate being to God his father. And in contrast, there's no clear teaching anywhere in the Bible about a Trinity. God, Jesus, or the apostles never describe it or teach it. That should be a big point to think on, when we are supposed to be taking our beliefs from them.
read again how he is the LAMB OF GOD. then think about how the blood is our covering. We are covered if we choose to come under the blood, to believe and accept, faith.
Then think about what days jesus died at... a passover.
Then think "Passover" in egypt and compare notes.
Do you see why Jesus is called Gods lamb?" because God provided the lamb to cover His human family, as many as would come under the blood.
Just like at first Passover, father of each house would provide lamb of blood covering for his family, and as many family as came under it were saved, faith.
That should be the "alpha and omega" of understanding salvation. ( a to z, root to leaf, alpha to omega, dc to daylight, all expressions of completeness of something.
@@ken440 first off I completely understand the significance of the Passover and Jesus covering us with his blood, but you are not answering the real issue here: all creatures have been identified literally in heaven and earth and in the sea, and yet He (Jesus) is not part of those creatures. And he’s being worshiped right along with the father in heaven. Do you understand that when God comes down and the Holy Spirit covers a woman and causes her to be pregnant that that child has the DNA of God literally put into Him? And don’t play games with what the Alpha Omega mean, you have to explain it away in the fashion that the text does not say because otherwise you’d have to confirm that Jesus and the old Testament Alpha Omega are the same: One God three persons. When you start sticking to the text, then you’ll see.
@@eddieyoung2104Hebrews 1:1-3
[1] Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. [3] He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Colossians 1:15-20
[15] He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. [16] For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. [17] And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Sounds like he’s God. And before you get all huffy and puffy about first born of all creation, go look into what that means in the original language. It doesn’t mean that he was created.
Why should we pray then in Jesus name?
Because it acknowledges Jesus as our mediator, his sacrifice for us, and that he’s the Son of God. It shows God that we understand and respect his hierarchy. God->Jesus->Man->Woman->Children. You can’t worship the one True God and leave Jesus out the equation when God is the one that sent Jesus who willingly die for our sins.
@@antoinjohnson4146 was there salvation before Jesus was born?
@@radostinvasilev599 yes Jesus birth and death was prophesied in the Old Testament many times by prophets before him. It’s just that during that time the people of Israel or 12 tribes had to sacrifice animals usually a lamb for forgiveness or to show God’s grace but Christ wasn’t born yet but now we don’t have to do that because Jesus is the ultimate lamb.
@@antoinjohnson4146 what does it mean when Jesus said. Seeing me you see the father, why do you say show me the father. Don't you know me Thomas for so long?
@@radostinvasilev599 I believe Jesus was talking to Phillip and Thomas there in John 14 5-8. In a nutshell Jesus is the image of the invisible God so basically Jesus was saying why ask me these questions when I told you who I am and if I represent the Father, you should know who the Father is because you been with me all this time. It’s similar context when people say you remind them of your father or have the essence. In other nutshell when you read about Jesus and see his qualities, it’s a direct reflection of our Heavenly Father. Thats why Jesus says that.
Good, but SUGGESTION: At 1m 17s you add on an explanation at the end, but this is lacking clarity! You could have said, *_"If I were a Trinitarian, I could add on an explanation at the end. And then the explanation should have included, to make the point you're trying to make even clearer, "...you are calling me God, too, which is correct. You have spoken wisely."_*
Like in the movies, an establishment shot helps to orient the audience to the change in location. You left this out entirely!
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The word translated "good" actually mean much more! Abetter translation would be something like , suppreme, superior! Jesus is the SON OF GOD, but has humbled him self in human form. Staying with his humble attitude he deneyed this praise. Reminds others that he was a man, but his father Jehovah was supreme, or exhaulted.
Can you define God? Of course not. So you cant claim Jesus isnt God because you dont know what God is. Jesus is God in the same way humans will NEVER be God because only Jesus is worthy and his blood saves us.
We can 100% define God with a series of qualities and characteristics given by the Bible. Some of those qualities Jesus doesn’t have. Only Jesus is worthy? What about the Father? Is the Father not worthy? John 17:3 Jesus himself calls his Father “The ONLY TRUE GOD.” How can that be true if Jesus is also God? Did he lie?
@@djmaydraws3862 Exodus 20:16 - “Thou Shalt Not Bear False Witness Against Thy Neighbor.”
@@djmaydraws3862 John 1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
John 1-14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth
@@nathanielamaya3503 John 14:28- “You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for *the Father is greater than I am”*
John 17:3- “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the *only true God* and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ
John 7:16- “Jesus, in turn, answered them and said: “What I teach is *not mine,* but belongs to him who sent me.”
John 20:17- Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to *my Father and your Father and to my God and your God”*
Ephesians 4:6- *”one God and Father* of all, who is over all and through all and in all.”
1 Corinthians 11:3- “But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the *head of the Christ is God”*
John 1:18- *”No man hath seen God at any time* the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
Matthew 27:46- “About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, *”My God, my God, why have you forsaken me”*
1 Corinthians 8:6- “there is actually to us *one God, the Father.”*
Revelation 1:1- “A revelation by Jesus Christ, *which God gave him* to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John”
Are you trying to say that a sinless man is not good? Wasn’t the creation that God made very good when there was no sin in the world? Really think about the big picture.
Nope, I am not saying that Jesus is not "good" but rather that in comparison to God, he does not consider himself to be "good." Now, these are Jesus' words not mine, so if they are unsettling, perhaps you might need to reevaluate how you view Jesus.
@@biblicalunitarian I’m gonna paraphrase: Jesus never said he is not good, he asked why do you call me good, only God is good. It is easy to think this means Jesus is saying he is not God, but look closer: he never said he wasn’t, and then questions the guy’s motives and tells him to sell all he has and pick up his cross and follow him, Jesus. Doesn’t that say something about Jesus? Wouldn’t he be bad if he wasn’t good (good shepherd) and tells people to follow him? I mean even look at the fact that Jesus already knows what was going on in this guys life and heart (and OT says only God knows a mans heart). Jesus was trying to get this guy to evaluate why he was following all the laws, this guy was not truly devoted to God; to be truly devoted to God, he needed to sell his idols, give to the poor and truly follow God: Jesus
@@biblicalunitarian Second note: Jesus literally lists out the part of the ten commandments that are outward rules about his neighbors. But then Jesus cuts to the case and tells him what he needs to do, which if you think about it, deals with the first part of the ten commandments, the part of the commandments Jesus knew, from the beginning of the conversation, this man was not following...then tells him to follow Him: Jesus was setting up the conversation to cut to the heart of the matter, just like the woman at the well. Jesus already knew what was keeping this guy and the woman at the well from the kingdom...like only God could...maybe the examination needs to be on your view, eh?
@@biblicalunitarian never got a rebuttal from you, do you have any kind of counter to my statements?
@@3dtrip870 Sorry, I sometimes lose track of comments or don't have time to respond, thanks for bringing this to my attention. You said a lot so I can't respond to everything, however, when you say, "Wouldn’t he be bad if he wasn’t good (good shepherd) and tells people to follow him?" No, goodness is on a sliding scale, not two options "good" or "bad". He can still be good, just not in comparison to God. Just because you are not the same level of "goodness" as God, doesn't mean you are "bad." Angels are sinless, but in both of our views, they cannot possibly be part of the statement "only God is good." So, there are "good" beings who aren't as "good" as God.
Concerning the rest of your comments, I'm not really sure what that has to do with our discussion. I agree with most of what you said.
Asking does not necessitate a denial.
Yes, you're right, but the statement "No one is good but God alone" does. I think if you're being fair with the text, that is the only reasonable conclusion to come to, that Jesus did not consider himself to be good in comparison to God.
@@biblicalunitarian That is an assumption of yours (your second sentence). What Jesus affirmed elsewhere what applied to God "alone" includes the Lord Jesus (Luke 4:8).
Let us concede that Jesus was not nor ever said that he was theanthropos. The question then is why were his disciples who spent years with him before they were Apostles so keen to have us believe it so.
It's a type of rhetorical question. Of course He is Good because He is God.
Hi Johnny,
What I cannot seem to understand is how can so many people that are trinitarians and to me worse than trinitarians is evangelical trinitarians be so blind. I mean to me I didn't think the Trinity was false not by being taught it. All I did was I read my Bible and I said well that can't be true, and I am no scholar at all. Why do you think Johnny that so many Bible scholars and so many teachers and on and on believe in the Trinity? I would love to know what you think about that. I hope you answer me I have always been stumped by how they could believe in something so obviously not true.
I know you didnt ask me, but i asked myself the same thing today, and all i can offer is fear.
They have a hope rather than a faith, and if they stick with the flock they hope the group will keep them safe. Like sheep many have gone astray.
Well, there are a lot of reasons why it has continued to be the predominant belief for so long. Social pressures, pastors losing jobs if they look into it, members being told not to look into it, throwing around the "heretic" word for people who don't believe in the "Mystery."
In the past, people burning unitarian books, silencing unitarian opinions, killing unitarians. People following the majority is also a psychological phenomenon.
Also, at the Trinitarian Seminary I went to, I don't think I knew one person who questioned the Trinity, so if no pastors are questioning it, it's very easy to see how it could be passed on from generation to generation.
There are a ton of reasons and the combination of all of those seem pretty clear to me.
@@ken440 ken, I am grateful for your reply. Please read the reply from biblical Unitarian it's really thorough and I think it explains a lot. Bless you and have a good day.
@@biblicalunitarian I cannot tell you how much I appreciate you answering the question I asked you. It makes me so Sad and Angry.
How can something so fundamental and important be mistaken. Also how can we believe the Bible when there are so many versions that actually say different things it's so hard for me to continue being a Jesus follower. Thank you very much.
@@kavitadeva all understood. I also agree with the other reply, i just distilled it to its basic level.
i have just come to the end of a long debate, over 50 comments, with someone on a sister video to this, and though i repeatedly showed them alternative ways to see their list of usual holy handgrenades, they just bluntly stated each time that i was making things up. And when i gave lengthy answers contexting way back into hebrew scripture to show the more logical interpretation of their version, they criticized me for making long complicated replies, everytime not looking beyond their quoted NIV understanding.
Willfully blind comes to mind, but we have to remember there is a god of this age, an unseen adversary, who is the source of the lies and deception and who inflates piety of tradition, power building, silly hats and robes and self promotion. Its a spiritual battle.
The Book of Daniel, 7:9 “I watched till thrones were [a]put in place,
And the Ancient of Days was seated;
“I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed.
very good. And that man, the son of man, (seed of Eve) will return and all that has yet to take place. Theologians call it "the eskaton." It begins at Jesus return.
0:24 - _"But firstly, I just want to point out that this really, really clearly teaches Unitarianism on two fronts...Jesus distinguishes himself from God...he sees himself as someone lesser than God."_
No, it does not clearly teach Unitarianism. The one true and unipersonal God (whose name is revealed to be JESUS) was dwelling simultaneously in two incomprehensibly different levels of existence: one _within_ our space-time continuum, in genuine human form (in which he's known as "the Son") and one _far beyond_ our space-time continuum (in which he's known as "the Father"). So _of course_ the unipersonal God - according to his existence _within_ our space-time continuum - would speak of himself as "lesser" than his own omnipotent self dwelling eternally _far beyond_ our space-time continuum.
Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God _IS_ God the Father manifested in genuine human form.
So, when Jesus was praying to God the Father asking for "this cup to pass" was he praying to himself?
@@biblicalunitarian
If the one true God - God the Father - "came down from heaven" _without leaving heaven,_ and *manifested **_himself_** on earth in genuine human form,* as _his own_ Son (so that he could lay down _his own_ life for us, not someone else's life), then who else would *God's genuinely human manifestation* pray to, but his own eternal, omnipotent self?
@@euston2216Not to mention, the Holy Spirit is identified in the Petrine Epistles (1 Peter 1:11) as the Spirit of Christ. If Jesus isn’t God, then why is the Holy Spirit said to be of him?
@@euston2216Christ says: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me" in two verses. When Christ(Yeshua)was Being nailed on the Cross he was crying out to the Father(YHWH) who was in Heaven. At this time it's not like The Seat of Heaven was unoccupied by the Father. It wasn't The Father being nailed to the Cross, it was The Son whom The World shut out.
1 John 1:3 "Our fellowship is with God the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ." This verse states the Duo that is The Father and the Son. Not that the Son is the Same Father or The Father is same son but that he is One in spirit with God the Father. The Holy Spirit of God is One Entity that allows us to be One with the Father. Not that Christ is the holy Spirit but that God is in Christ through the Holy Spirit. And Christ is One with God the same way through the Holy Spirit. 1 with 2, 1 God in 1 Christ through 1 spirit(Holy Spirit) not a 3 in 1 Triangle. God isn't a shape. If all three had the Being of YHWH, Yeshua and The Holy Spirit would be referred to as YHWH and not have distinctions. Remember Yeshua said The Father(YHWH) is greater than I, In terms of Office
@@Nieden-PilledGod is in Christ through the Holy Spirit. It was the Holy Spirit that planted Christ's seed in Mary, that's why it says Christ is of the Holy Spirit.
So you wouldn't call Jesus good?
I would call him good, just not in comparison to God, who Jesus sees as being in a class of "goodness" by himself, that Jesus himself doesn't fall into.
@@biblicalunitarian that's a good answer. I have heard trinitarians ask that question so I wondered what your answer would be.
@@biblicalunitarian why do you call him good? No one is good except God alone.
Why then they tried to kill him? If he never said he is God.
because the pharisees were trying to trick him and catch him out. They were the liars and ratbags.
They NEVER tried to kill him because HE SAID he is GOD.
What he said is... he is a SON of God. HUGE difference...
SON of the President is NOT the same as the President. Same idea as SON of God.
Please remember that Jesus himself told the Jews they could not understand what Jesus was saying (John 8:42-47)
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, “We don’t stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy: because you, being a man, make yourself God.”
But did Jesus REALLY say he IS God, or did he SAY something else, and they MISUNDERSTOOD what Jesus was saying (like most people do today!)?
HERE is what Jesus actually was Saying:
John 10:36 do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am THE SON of God?’
Catch that? They could not even understand what Jesus was actually talking about!!
Here it is again...
John 19:7 The Jews answered him, “We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself THE SON of God.”
See? here they gave you the real reason...
But the problem is... the Jews also said God is THEIR Father (making themselves SONS of God!)
John 8:41 You do the works of your father.” They said to him, “We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father, God.”
@@FoundationalBibleTruths excellent explanation.
@@FoundationalBibleTruths Even we have one father, and we are sons of God, noone of us can say that they are the son of God. To be the son of God is different from being a son of God. Therefore Jesus is making himself more than any human. But only God is more than any human.
I agree with the conclusion of this video. However, the question remains as to what the man meant by 'good', to cause Jesus to say 'no one is good but God alone'. Because if the man only meant that Jesus was a really good teacher, then why wouldn't Jesus accept that? If we say that 'only God is good' refers to good in the highest sense, then was Jesus suggesting that the man had that meaning in mind when he called Jesus good?
I think Jesus was likely acknowledging that anything that made him good was actually from God. In other words, why call me good, when only God is good, and therefore the goodness you see must be from him. This also taught the man that if goodness comes from God, then he couldn't inherit eternal life by his own goodness. It is by God's goodness or grace.
@@TheApostleofChristThank you brother. I feel as if the comment sections in channels such as this one just become eco-chambers of Unitarian/Neo-Aryan theology. Scripture confirms that Jesus is God right from the get go. Jesus was given another name by the blessed Virgin Mary at the behest of the Angel Gabriel, Emmanuel, which translates to ‘God is with us.’ Scripture makes absolutely no mistake that Jesus is God.
@@TheApostleofChrist Most of his arguments seem to be dancing around the overwhelming amount of Scripture that confirms the divinity of Christ. I’ve also seen unitarians entirely ignoring ecumenical councils as man-made while ignoring the fact that it was the ecumenical councils that, over a handful of centuries, compiled the canon of scripture. If you’re going to throw out the councils, then you’re going to have to throw out the canon of Scripture.
@@TheApostleofChrist Precisely, God took on a human form, meaning that the body, being human, could die. Jesus was still fully human, he could die just as much as all other humans could. However, since he was also God, he had the ability to conquer death by resurrecting himself. Jesus, if he wanted to, could have stopped the crucifixion at any point. He had an army of angels, his own omnipotence, willing to fight followers who could have easily stopped his crucifixion. However, as much as he didn’t want to be crucified, he understood the importance of his death for humanity.
Nieden-Pilled, I don't have time to respond to everything you all are saying, however, my arguments are not dancing around the overwhelming amount of scripture that teaches the divinity of Jesus. The overwhelming amount of scripture teaches that Jesus is someone different from God, I don't think that when I was a Trinitarian I ever let that simple fact sink in. And if there is only one God, which is very clear, (Deut. 6:4; Isa. 44:6; John 5:44; 17:3; 1 Cor. 8:6; Eph. 4:6), then Jesus is not God, because that would make 2 Gods.
TheApostle of Christ, when you say things like, "yeah dude he’s the same person that would ignore hebrews 1:8" you simply do not know me or my character. I studied at a Trinitarian seminary and became a Unitarian through study. I checked every single "Trinitarian" verse to ensure that it really didn't teach that Jesus was God, before becoming Unitarian because I knew I would have a lot to lose.
Please do not make rude comments on this channel or else I will have to remove you. I'm not going to let my ministry's youtube channel become a place where people can bash our character and make fun of Unitarians. If you would like to address and respond to arguments I put forward you are welcome to do that, however, leave Ad Hominem attacks out of this, it is not Christianly behavior.
As far as Hebrews 1:8 is concerned, even if you translate it "Your throne, O God," which is up for debate, those words are spoken to an Israelite King who had a wife (Psa. 45:9), so clearly these words were not originally about Jesus, because Jesus never had a wife. Yet, this portion, the author of Hebrews found, had later application to Jesus. So, if you want to make "Your throne, O God," turn Jesus into God, you also have to say that the Old Testament Israelite King is God, and I don't think you want to do that. I'm simply using consistent logic.
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How come all authority was given to him then? And through him everything was created?
Because that proves he isn't God. Because God cannot be given more authority from anyone
@@marcus.H then what does it mean that god has life in himself, Jesus also has life in himself and he gives that life to have in themselves to whoever he wants? Is that life bigger than everyone including God?
Why do you call me good? It takes a good person to know one.... we are all good (GOD)
@@TheApostleofChrist what is a memory if not in the past... why dig into the past, when all it can do is hold me back?
I cannot change the past, so why dwell in something that has passed away. The future is but a dream right now, where dreams do come true, and there shall I find myself where I always was...... right here, right now 🥰
@@TheApostleofChrist are you not also divine?
@@TheApostleofChrist it takes one to know one.... darkness does not comprehend the light.
@@TheApostleofChrist context for your speach, is not the speach of old.... torah speaks truth and flows like living water, it does not look beyond the self
Imanuel: God with us
thats right. the unseen God is a spirit manifesting in the man Jesus. Attesting that Jesus is the promised messiah, by signs and wonders done THROUGH the man Jesus.
God, an unseen holy spirit in the human son God promised to speak through, the offspring of Eve, the last (obedient) Adam.
God with us. If you see the son, you see the work done through the son by the unseen father.
Immanuel: God is with us through his Son
Jesus said these things. Mark 12.28-32, John 17.3, John 20.17, Rev 1.5-6, Rev 3.12.
If he said these things ... and God exalted him ... how do you then "worship" Jesus without commiting idolatry???
@@MichaelTheophilus906 - But ... are there Bible texts that say we must worship Jesus? ...
And Jesus receives worship several times in the Gospels (Matthew 2:11; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; 20:28). Jesus is never said to reject such adoration.
@@KononR-gz4voAnd as mediator between God and man, the man Jesus is the conduit to be representing God to you, so you can worship God through the mediator Jesus. Not hard to understand, Paul told us in 1Tim2.
@@ken440 - So how do you pray to God? Must Jesus be summons first?
@@ken440 You don’t worship God through a mediator, you worship God alone
Trinitarian here! We never negate Jesus being a different person from the Father. They are different but Jesus is God. If you isolate that verse then yes im unitarian but when you look at everything Jesus spoke the trinity is true!
God died?
@@Truth-f2q his body died but his Spirit was alive then he rose from the dead.
So if 3 different persons are God do you not feel like that’s 3 Gods? Why did Jesus call his Father HIS God? (John 20:17)
@@djmaydraws3862 feel? Yes. It was a difficult concept to understand (still is) for me at first but the bible says there is only one God while also giving godly attributes to Jesus and HS. Its not 3 Gods. It is 3 persons 1 God.
@@djmaydraws3862 He emptied himself and took on flesh making himself a little less than the angels. Once he is man he has to submit to God.
It is written, we are all God's.... a son of God is an image in which God made man....
The pharisees are God's, and they made man in there own image and killed him!
(The elohiem stood amongst the elohiem)
Jesus did not think it robbery to be equal to God, even when he humbled himself to their level so that they may see the light in him.
This is an example of Paul's PAGAN theology.
Jesus never taught this. And this is exactly an example of bs we have been taught. The Pauline bs.
@@nazorean what did he teach?
@@nazorean with approximately 144,000 denominations...., you would be better off being an atheist. There is nothing out there to be worshipped, just false images.
@@achildofthelight4725 By your own words. You burnt, heathen.
@@achildofthelight4725 Obey the Commandments if you WANT to enter into Life.