Leaving Pentecostalism Behind

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  • @user-db6ku3cu4m
    @user-db6ku3cu4m 9 місяців тому +7

    HAHAHAHAHAHA so so identifying with you, sir! 25:44 That banging the table, spot on, how can ex-Pentecostals not be fired up when good Reformed preaching is met with stone-cold "acceptance," which is not even close to believing. Preach it, sir!

  • @joshneff6877
    @joshneff6877 9 місяців тому +4

    I love this episode because it reminds me of when Pastor Stromberg asked from the pulpit, "How well would it go in your house if we were to pick up and move without a plan, other than God told me to! What would your wife say?" Referring to Abraham and Sarah. Here we see it in his life with the decision to move and go to seminary with no other plan than trusting God.
    Thank you both for preaching and telling the truth.

  • @JohnBisschop1953
    @JohnBisschop1953 9 місяців тому +5

    This episode is absolutely incredible! Thank you, pastors, for doing this! I'm really looking forward to the rest of this conversation. SDG

  • @johannastromberg1224
    @johannastromberg1224 9 місяців тому +4

    This is such a wonderful conversation and is going to touch so many people both reformed and beyond.

  • @paulreilly4510
    @paulreilly4510 Місяць тому

    Found things I could relate to here from the other side, sort of. I was raised in the United Presbyterian Church without ever knowing anything about reformed theology or the great debate. Upon hearing the gospel in the midst of the Jesus Movement I made a decision for Christ: repentance and faith. When I asked my UPC youth pastor about this and was faced with a blank face, and then when my UPC senior pastor downplayed this as anti-intellectual without any explanation of non-decisionist theology, I moved into the evangelical camp. Now many years later I find myself on a middle ground that I imagine most think weak. Certainly God knows if I should turn left or right.

  • @OLBUCKLEY
    @OLBUCKLEY 9 місяців тому +3

    Love, love this episode! It’s possible you have no idea just how helpful this content is. God bless you brothers.

  • @tomtemple69
    @tomtemple69 9 місяців тому +4

    i left my pentecostal church, the 2nd baptism evidenced with speaking in tongues is just not biblical, the second baptism & everyone speaking in tongues is contradictory to the Bible
    plus the consistent disobedience of 1 Corinthians 14

  • @troglodylethol
    @troglodylethol 9 місяців тому +2

    @18:56 I'd say the "place of experience" in the Reformed Faith is JOY! Cheer up buttercup!

  • @DeepDiveDiscipleship
    @DeepDiveDiscipleship 9 місяців тому +1

    I like this guy!!!

  • @rickypineda523
    @rickypineda523 2 місяці тому

    Basic Question:
    1. Who is the Creator?
    2. Who is Jehovah?
    3. Who is the God Almighty?
    4. Who is the Godhead?
    5. Who is the Everlasting Father?
    6. Who is the Great I AM?
    7. Who is the Ancient of Days?
    8. Who is the one sitting on the throne with the four living creatures in the book of Ezekiel?
    9. Who will sit on the throne with the four beasts in the book of Revelation?
    10. Who is the One God of Israel?
    11. Who is the WORD?
    12. Who is Emmanuel?
    13. Who is the KING of Kings and LORD of Lords?
    14. Who is the Alpha and Omega?
    15. Who is the First and the Last?
    16. Who is the Beginning and the End?
    17. Who is the Judge?
    18. Who is the LORD of the Sabbath?
    19. Who do we worship on the Sabbath?
    20. To whom do we pray?
    21. Who gave the Ten Commandments?
    22. Who love us?
    23. Who nailed on the cross?
    24. Who can open the Seven Seals?
    25. Who will come again?
    What is your answer?
    What is the basic teaching of the Bible?
    1. Monotheism
    2. Binitarianism
    3. Trinitarianism

  • @jtlearn1
    @jtlearn1 9 місяців тому +1

    Check out Dr. Lane Tipton's preaching. He builds up the church with heavy indictive in Christ. We have to be careful we dont provoke discouragement from too much imperitive and too littke indicitive. Trinity opc Easton pa.

    • @johannastromberg1224
      @johannastromberg1224 9 місяців тому

      I think you can be honest about sharing your experiences and others can benefit from that. This conversation really wasn’t about trying to tear down Pentecostals. A lot of it was actually very complimentary towards their boldness in preaching against sin, the need of repentance, and then building people up in the gospel of Christ Jesus.
      This is unfortunately really lacking in so many churches today, and this is something that needs to be addressed.
      This conversation was actually quite balanced as it also pointed out what so many reformed people and churches struggle with.

    • @jtlearn1
      @jtlearn1 9 місяців тому

      @@johannastromberg1224 I'm sorry, you've misunderstood my comment.

    • @Lawofkings
      @Lawofkings 6 місяців тому

      If people aren’t sincerely desiring and walking after holiness they should be discouraged, because they aren’t saved.
      True preaching balances these things.

  • @joshneff6877
    @joshneff6877 9 місяців тому +1

    Pastor Stromberg can use any example and make a sermon out of it!! lol

  • @rickypineda523
    @rickypineda523 2 місяці тому

    Who is the Creator?
    The Creation:
    Genesis 1:1,27
    King James Version
    1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
    27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
    From Adam to Noah:
    Genesis 5:1-2
    King James Version
    5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
    2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
    Let All the Earth Praise the LORD:
    Psalm 148:5
    King James Version
    5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.
    God Speaks about the Servant:
    Isaiah 42:5
    5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
    The Regathering of Israel:
    Isaiah 43:7
    King James Version
    7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
    A Call to Remembrance and Joy:
    Isaiah 44:24
    24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
    God is Sovereign:
    Isaiah 45:12
    King James Version
    12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
    God will Bless Cyrus:
    Isaiah 45:18
    King James Version
    18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
    God, our Father, will Act:
    Isaiah 64:8
    King James Version
    8 But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.
    A Plea and a Prayer from Malachi:
    Malachi 2:10
    King James Version
    10 Have we not all one father? hath not one (echad) God (el) created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
    The Word and Creation:
    John 1:1-2
    King James Version
    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    2 The same was in the beginning with God.
    The Word Becomes Human:
    John 1:14
    King James Version
    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    Paul's Ministry to the Gentiles:
    Ephesians 3:9
    King James Version
    9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
    The Centrality of Jesus:
    Colossians 1:16
    King James Version
    16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
    God the Son is Superior to the Angels:
    Hebrews 1:10
    King James Version
    10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
    The Vision of God's Throne:
    Revelation 4:9-11
    King James Version
    9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
    10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
    11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
    The Vision of the Powerful Angel:
    Revelation 10:6
    King James Version
    6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
    Note: Our Lord Jesus Christ alone who created the heaven and earth and He alone created us in His own image.

  • @catheylynnd7373
    @catheylynnd7373 Місяць тому

    They changed from penecostalism to charismatic

  • @rickypineda523
    @rickypineda523 2 місяці тому

    Who is God Almighty?
    God Appears to Abram:
    Genesis 17:1
    King James Version
    17 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God (el); walk before me, and be thou perfect.
    God Appears Again to Jacob:
    Genesis 35:11
    King James Version
    11 And God said unto him, I am God (el) Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;
    Joseph Visit His III Father:
    Genesis 48:3
    King James Version
    3 And Jacob said unto Joseph, God (el) Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,
    God Promises to Deliver Israel:
    Exodus 6:3
    King James Version
    3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God (el) Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.
    The Prince of Peace:
    Isaiah 9:6
    King James Version
    6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God (el), The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
    The Vision of God's Throne:
    Ezekiel 10:5
    King James Version
    5 And the sound of the cherubims' wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God (el) when he speaketh.
    The Vision of God's Throne:
    Revelation 4:8
    King James Version
    8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
    The Vision of the Seventh Angel Blowing His Trumpet:
    Revelation 11:17
    King James Version
    17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
    The Vision of the Sea of Glass:
    Revelation 15:3
    King James Version
    3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
    The Vision of the Temple Opened:
    Revelation 16:7
    King James Version
    7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
    The Vision of the Coming Messiah:
    Revelation 19:15
    King James Version
    15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    Note: There is only One God Almighty and that is our Lord Jesus Christ the creator of heaven and earth who is JEHOVAH and our Everlasting Father and we are His sons and daughters when we reach His Heavenly Kingdom.

  • @rickypineda523
    @rickypineda523 2 місяці тому

    Who is JEHOVAH?
    God Appears to Abram:
    Genesis 17:1
    King James Version
    17 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord (yehovah) appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God (el); walk before me, and be thou perfect.
    God Promises to Deliver Israel:
    Exodus 6:3
    King James Version
    3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God (el) Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.
    The Covenant of Love:
    Deuteronomy 6:4
    King James Version
    4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord (yehovah) our God (elohiym) is one (echad) Lord (yehovah):
    A Plea for Judgment:
    Psalm 83:18
    King James Version
    18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is Jehovah, art the most high over all the earth.
    The Prince of Peace:
    Isaiah 9:6
    King James Version
    6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God (el), The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
    Israel's Praise to the LORD:
    Isaiah 12:2
    King James Version
    2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
    The Song of Redeemed Judah:
    Isaiah 26:4
    King James Version
    4 Trust ye in the Lord for ever: for in the Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength:
    The LORD's Instruction to His Prophet:
    Jeremiah 16:21
    King James Version
    21 Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The Lord (yehovah).
    The Vision of God's Throne:
    Revelation 4:8
    King James Version
    8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
    The Vision of the Seventh Angel Blowing His Trumpet:
    Revelation 11:17
    King James Version
    17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
    The Vision of the Sea of Glass:
    Revelation 15:3
    King James Version
    3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
    The Vision of the Seven Angeles Pouring Out Their Bowls:
    Revelation 16:7
    King James Version
    7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
    The Vision of Babylon the Great:
    Revelation 17:14
    King James Version
    14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
    The Vision of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb:
    Revelation 19:16
    King James Version
    16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.
    The Vision of the New Jerusalem:
    Revelation 21:22
    King James Version
    22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
    Epilogue:
    Revelation 22:20-21
    King James Version
    20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
    21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
    JEHOVAH is our Lord Jesus Christ alone the Everlasting Father, the creator of heaven and earth, the God of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Bible, the Prince of Peace, the Almighty God, the KING of Kings and LORD of Lords, the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and Last.

  • @rickypineda523
    @rickypineda523 2 місяці тому

    Who is the Godhead?
    Paul Preaches at Athens:
    Acts 17:24
    King James Version
    24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands.
    29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
    30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
    God's Anger at Sinful Humanity:
    Romans 1:20
    King James Version
    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    Fullness in Life:
    Colossians 2:8-10
    King James Version
    8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
    9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
    10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
    Note: The Godhead is our Lord Jesus Christ alone.

  • @raphaeldasilva3269
    @raphaeldasilva3269 4 місяці тому

    Pentecostals are very cultish (not all but most). Let's not forget that it is a restorationnist movement. Still Pentecostals are my brothers and sisters in the faith based on the Gospel NOT on the other stuff they believe.

  • @RUFUS777
    @RUFUS777 9 місяців тому

    The first minute and a half is nonsense so far..completely false...

    • @mesweety123
      @mesweety123 9 місяців тому +1

      Why do you say so?

    • @johannastromberg1224
      @johannastromberg1224 9 місяців тому +1

      I’m so curious what specifically do you find troubling? I would love to hear your thoughts!