Apple's Bleak 'Vision' (Pro) of the Future
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2023
- David Chen discusses Apple's bleak Vision (Pro) of the future.
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With you on this one, Dave. Cutting edge tech, that’s not for everyone and not ready for prime time. I was struck by how even the best marketing team in the world, at Apple, couldn’t make the idea of dead fake eyes staring at family members seem not creepy.
yikes lol. they might as well just show the Minority Report scene where Tom Cruise sobs as he watches holographic memories of his family... "Apple. Think Different."
During the whole presentation I felt like Apple is literally building the Matrix; suffice to say I won't be an initial customer. But I also have to acknowledge that a lot of work just IS done on one's own, and has been for a long time, and this might improve some aspects of those jobs. I caption TV shows and movies for a living (ie. making things accessible to a wider audience), but functionally my work isn't that different than a film editor, a job that's always required one to be alone and focused. On the side, I'm a photographer, and my work on a MBP (let alone a VisionPro), though solitary, is no more isolated/isolating than someone in a darkroom 50 or 100 years ago. I just hope it remains a useful tool and not an everyday accompaniment.
Totally agree. Scary thing is, I remember when the iPad was first introduced and people clowned on it like nobody needed a giant iPhone, and now those devices are ubiquitous. I can totally imagine a bleak future where kids and adults walk around (maybe even drive vehicles) wearing these things like some sci-fi dystopia - and people will become so accustomed to it they'll think it's totally "normal."
I haven't yet gotten over the fact that most people I see on the street (and indoors), entire friend groups and whole families, are frequently face-down staring at their smartphones instead of interacting with each other. It's a nightmare. It's not a mystery to me why measurable rates of mental illness (depression, anxiety, loneliness etc.) are sky high these days.
Good Robocop reference, btw!
My thought about the Movie Cop guy was that it was all well and good that he was capturing his memories in full 8K 3D Isolatiovision...but what of his children's memories...Fade to them face timing their therapist from their cubicle in the apocalypse bunker and explaining that their father always felt strangely distant.
Super excited for apple to introduce us to the Strange Days future
Good points. I wanna say Google Glass was more ahead of its time if only for its low profile. I don't think iSkimask is the way of the future. Call me when it looks like a pair of glasses.
I enjoy a lot of the diverse content and discourse on the Dave Chen YT channel including these Apple Vision musings and concerns. I'm definitely skeptical too especially as we've seen the Metaverse play out thus far. Reality and promises of the future often don't marry up in the AR/VR world. But if anyone can pull this off and gain mass market adoption at some point it's probably Apple, rather than say Microsoft, Facebook or Google.
As a huge tangent I don't know if the Filmcast plan to cover Extraction 2 but in anticipation of the sequel I recently rewatched the original and then followed it up but re-listening to the Filmcast episode (Ep. 565). I found it hugely amusing to hear Jeff declare "there's no way there's ever going to be an Extraction 2!" Might be worth bringing that up with him during the Extraction 2 review should you guys do one. :)
Reminds me of After Yang
I love how its got the wire there the whole time.
Bleak futures are the best futures, and Apple will remember them for us wholesale!
These discussions of social impact have been around for a long time, only now that a device is both functionally useful (maybe) and potentially widely adoptable (future cheaper versions?) are people discussing it as a real issue. Props to apple for attempting to include some tech to alleviate some of these issues (e.g. enabling connection within and external to the device). The hard issue is the economy of it all - given main stream uptake and appeal, we will see the creation of cyber spaces for forums, games, politics, life in general. If access to this space is modulated by how much money you can dish out for x quality headset you effectively create an economic hierarchy of access.
The whole idea of the metaverse seems so obviously floored, partly for this reason. If apple keeps to their approach of a discrete (as in not designed to participation in some overarching 'metaverse') headset for productivity and play, with a healthy attention to inside and outside social connection, I think its positioned as well as a headset could be.
If the image is clear, and eye strain and weight are manageable, I imagine I'll be interested just to create as many virtual displays for my Mac as I need for productivity work.
«Clearly something terrible has happened!» 😂 hilarious! Keep it up Dave!
i feel there will be a mode where two people have headsets localy or on internet and share a screen. everyone is on their phones all the time anyway. toilet, waiting line, airplane, transit... everyone is glued to screens. this is just a much richer expirience and non 'pro' version will cost way less i think
Hi Dave, I could envision an entire cottage industry of side loaded apps a la the 1995 movie Strange Days.
Good point
Silly me was excited about the prospect of watching movies and live sports but as always, David comes in clutch with the dose of reality. About to read Devindra's hands-on now to curb all that enthusiasm, at once. Cheers guys!
Also notice that people are not moving animals at all. All other VR demo show people moving around playing and even exercising. This looks like the Wall-E vision of the future.
I always found it odd that in the early days the internet promised to connect the world, and nowadays people complain that society is always on their cell phone.
What did we expect? You can’t connect with the world AND your immediate surroundings. The world is big, and chances are there is something more interesting to any given individual, happening somewhere else in the world than by them.
So we disconnect from the world or get further and further distant from our physical location
I see where people are coming from but, the tech is amazing and I would use it sparingly at a birthday party for example I would capture one quick memory then go back to the party. It would be a lot like how most of us should act with our phones using them less and being in the moment more. I'm excited to see tech like this it is like seeing my favorite movies come to life like Minority Report!
Omg I'm so glad you brought up the dad watching the videos of the kids, I had the same thought when I was watching the event. Like that guy definitely has some tragic backstory that we didn't get in the event stream, but he is clearly all alone in this empty house with no kids to be seen and he's just watching old, mostly mundane videos of these kids 😂
Black Mirror is closer than we think.
The memory thing gives “Entire History of You” vibes and I don’t think that’s a good outcome haha
It’s not truly a VR headset though. It’s AR. Basically what a magic leap was trying, but failed, to be.
That headset is a big no thank you. Casey Newton's podcast was talking about how apple's big-swing stuff like the watch and even the phones and tablets, don't really get compelling for daily norml people use until a few versions later. I guess I'm not going to write it off, but I'll see what happens in the 3rd or 4th iteration.
Until these look like regular glasses they won't really catch on, no matter what the price is. I'm much more interested in the AR side of things built into my regular glasses. I still have zero interest in VR at this point. I do think they'll figure out, but this isn't it.
I am really itching to pull the gun and be a first gen adapter. The vision for the future is horrible how it was presented and as you said, what exactly are these memory to be relived in. It could be a cool technology to have if you travel a lot to exotic places and want to reexperience them but having an ex or a dead loved one in that memory would be really bleak. Honestly thinking just a person who had experienced awful heartbreaks in the past just seeing that clip made my skin crawl on how bad this could be for mental health and development of more isolation for depressed people. Even the scene where they are watching the northern lights in bed, I could only think of a scenario where someone wants to disassociate from the outside world, and live in a fantasy land to avoid their mental well being.
That said it’s a freaking cool technology but it also made me think of another thing that was advertised, the person who buys this first generation €3500 (starting) gear, is the one flying business or first class so maybe these problems will be less impactful for them and it will be the toy they show off to their friends. Again tempted to buy one but so conflicted on the social aspect of it and how negative it really is.
Ba ha ha - u nailed it!
Good troll Dave
all i could think of was tom crusie in minority report getting high and watching 3d videos of his son for hours.
Black Mirror as hell
dark vibes.
I would absolutely not spend this much. Toe it needs to be under 1k have a 6 hr battery life, and fold to take up the same amount of space in my pocket as a smart phone. That's the only way this becomes as ubiquitous as people caring smartphones.
This is not his kids
Jobs and now Cook have never really been interested in games, so it doesn't surprise me that they don't push the Vision Pro for that, and they don't even use the term VR. But I've always felt the killer apps for VR are things like gaming and simulations, and I wonder how long it will take for Apple to realize that. It reminds me of the first gen Apple Watch: it was clearly designed by someone who didn't use a Garmin for sports/fitness tracking, and didn't realize THAT was the killer app for a watch. It took Apple years to come out with the Apple Watch Ultra, which is what the Apple Watch should have been in the first place.
The last thing we need a VR device for is doing regular desktop or office work. Like, do you need VR to do spreadsheets or Zoom meetings? And yet that seems to be what Zuckerberg and Cook both think you should use a headset for.
Yes the Vision Pro will be a nice device for someone in Business Class to watch a movie with. And that'll probably be the only time most people see these things being used...
But you're not isolated because you can see your kid kick you a soccer ball. And they went to so much trouble to help others see your eyes when you're looking at them. So clearly its not isolating. Haha.