And the first A-die kit I tried after shooting this video didn't work at 8000. Looks like Asrock only sets the correct resistances if you use an EXPO kit.
@@4sr305 i find that a bat file doesnt always reboot into bios stable. i been trying to overclock a cheap ddr5 4800 kit to 7200 and to get to the bios, its better to just restart and press del. bat file doesnt work in my case past 7000
My memory temperature sensors work fine on the X870E Taichi Lite. 8000C34 was a breeze too, took me less than 15 minutes to setup Also, just so you know there's a bug where if you have MEM VDD over 1.45, you can't run MEM VDDQ under 1.44 The reason there's no tRCDWR available is because it's not using the latest AGESA..
Oh Hell yeah. I ordered the Royal version of this for future build. I'm watching CES though if G.Skill comes out with a 64 gig 8000 mhz kit as none exist yet.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking It very well might be. I was able to run PDM off with MCR on with 7800x3d as long as I didn't do a cold boot. But the moment I boot into windows after a cold boot I get greeted with a memory management bsod.
No matter what you do the fact is most ram chips need 12.5ns to perform operations, and the best chips that are somewhat accessible are 10ns. So whatever numbers you use there is always a bottom you can't fall under.
Could someone tell me the difference between XMP and EXPO in this situation? I'm guessing certain timings and voltages are different and possibly missing settings all together but I'm curious how feasible it is to just use an EXPO RAM kit's settings on a similar XMP RAM kit?
I'm disappointed my fclk does not do 2050 with 8200 :(, also what's the deal with procodt? Mine defaults to like 30 with expo kit but I see many hi-z or 480? I'm trying to push over 8000 if possible just wondering if it may help.
The default ProcODT is usually the best at least with EXPO kits, well depends on the board too. My X870 Tomahawk is stable at 8000 completely auto. Some have gotten 8200 to work as well but at over 8000 the CPU's IMC matters a lot
ProcODT depends on the motherboard and memory kit. There isn't a universal correct value for it. EXPO generally seems to set it correctly for the kit being used.
@@paul.1337 With the right motherboard they do usually work but the memory controller is then set automatically to Gear4 which kills performance. Gear2 is possible at 9000MT/s IIRC but you need luck on your CPU and/or a good mobo for that.
Do you guys think that I should swap an asrock x670e pg ligthing to x870 tomahawk or some other x870 mobo to run this kit? I've read that even mobos with 8k in qvl couldn't run 8k, and my board doesn't even have an 8k qvl
You made it out like 14th gen has a lot more potential than 13th gen, but I have a 14600, and you only did a video on the 13600. Do you have a 14600? If you cant do a 14600 oc, ill try to follow how you did your 13600 edit: ermagerd you literally disabled the e-cores in that video... are the e-cores better on 14th gen
I heard you mentioned exactly the problems i am experiencing in some of your videos, and I am desperate. I hope you can help me since you are experienced in this.
this board even boots 2x16 8000 c38, but it's down to the cpu if it gets stable. my 9950x can even run 8200 c38 2x24 on this board, sadly the 9800x3d just reboots after running karhu on 8000 for like 5 min, even tho its throwing 0 errors. btw, my HWinfo has the memory temp sensors going. must be something other than the board.
Sorry for spam, but I need your help, guys. I need help with stability issues. So a few months ago, i built a new PC. 7800x3d 4070 Super 2x16 Kingston fury beast 6000mhz 30 36 36 asus tuf gaming b650 gaming plus wifi I have these stability issues that appear only when I cold boot the system. after boot, if do normal things like watching video, it'ss okay. but if I play demanding games, it starts to stutter or i experience sound Cut offs, sometimes my games that want to be updated in steam says Disk error! the only way it gets fixed is that i go inside game, experience the stutter, and then restart PC! it gets fixed. if i don't restart, the stutters become worse, and it goes to BSOD. I have tried manual ram timings, disabling Expo. disabling PBO, disabling fast boot , disabling memory restore context, reinstalling windows, changing my ram sticks, and nothing has worked. i still have the same issue after cold boot and sleep, and if i don't restart 1 or 2 times, the problem lingers.
It'd be nice if they sent me that kit too. Nobody in NZ stocks it. Not the EXPO one at least. Bugger. Not keen to import PC parts in case I have to return them. Our chain like Micor Center is calleed PB tech. The fastest EXPO kits they have is Corsair Vengence 6400. Meh. Maybe they can get it in for me. It's good to know this kit works. Cheers. My mobo is a X870 Aorus. Not X870E. Should be okay. 7200 might be safer though. CPU is a 9950X, so I dunno if the controller is as good as the 9800X3D.
@@hankwest5662cope because you’re here in the comments of an overclocking video boasting about running the most generic ram setup. Even if your 6000c28 beats this setup in some application it’s still slower than 6200 and 6400 so keep coping
No idea where you could have gotten that info from... This 8000 is faster than 6400cl30 1:1. Even 7600cl36 2:1 is faster than 6000 1:1 with tight timings.
And the first A-die kit I tried after shooting this video didn't work at 8000. Looks like Asrock only sets the correct resistances if you use an EXPO kit.
Could u please get a reboot to bios shortcut as in "shutdown.exe /r /fw" -> save "to bios.bat"
Its as good a feature as bios safe boot i swear
@@4sr305 i find that a bat file doesnt always reboot into bios stable. i been trying to overclock a cheap ddr5 4800 kit to 7200 and to get to the bios, its better to just restart and press del. bat file doesnt work in my case past 7000
oh wow...I was thinking to buy this mb, and I have XMP 8000 kit. This is a great info.
Can you not manually adjust the settings? How transferable are resistance settings?
Sync RFC with REFI, u waste some clock cycles as far as i know
My memory temperature sensors work fine on the X870E Taichi Lite. 8000C34 was a breeze too, took me less than 15 minutes to setup
Also, just so you know there's a bug where if you have MEM VDD over 1.45, you can't run MEM VDDQ under 1.44
The reason there's no tRCDWR available is because it's not using the latest AGESA..
fixed in beta bios and hes running beta bios.
@Yahfz yea let me press X for i highly fing doubt it.
@@dwight2310 huh?
@@rci-tf2zc I'm using the exact same bios version as him and it's not fixed, so no.
He's probably missing memory temperature sensors due to how old his version of HWInfo is
Oh Hell yeah. I ordered the Royal version of this for future build. I'm watching CES though if G.Skill comes out with a 64 gig 8000 mhz kit as none exist yet.
that would need to be dual rank... so no 8000 or with the new 32gbit mem chips but then question is if those will do good timings and frequency
Literally exactly the kit I bought lol
5:14 does this mean we can finally enable MCR but disable power down mode at the same time? Doesn't work for me yet, I'm on AGESA 1.2.0.2
AFAIK it should be fine. It's literally the default behaviour on the latest AGESAs on several boards.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking nice to hear :D
Have to disable MCR to get 6200 to stable with tight timings on x670e taichi with 7950x3d, if its enabled sometimes it bsods.
@@terriblegamer6975 might only be fixed with 9000 series then.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking It very well might be. I was able to run PDM off with MCR on with 7800x3d as long as I didn't do a cold boot. But the moment I boot into windows after a cold boot I get greeted with a memory management bsod.
Nice! Any chance you can try this on the Asus itx board?
X870i
You can bump the VDDP up to 1.1 and it helps get a phy match.
No matter what you do the fact is most ram chips need 12.5ns to perform operations, and the best chips that are somewhat accessible are 10ns. So whatever numbers you use there is always a bottom you can't fall under.
Could someone tell me the difference between XMP and EXPO in this situation? I'm guessing certain timings and voltages are different and possibly missing settings all together but I'm curious how feasible it is to just use an EXPO RAM kit's settings on a similar XMP RAM kit?
I'm disappointed my fclk does not do 2050 with 8200 :(, also what's the deal with procodt? Mine defaults to like 30 with expo kit but I see many hi-z or 480? I'm trying to push over 8000 if possible just wondering if it may help.
The default ProcODT is usually the best at least with EXPO kits, well depends on the board too. My X870 Tomahawk is stable at 8000 completely auto. Some have gotten 8200 to work as well but at over 8000 the CPU's IMC matters a lot
ProcODT depends on the motherboard and memory kit. There isn't a universal correct value for it. EXPO generally seems to set it correctly for the kit being used.
i forgot whats the reason you set the bios date in these vids to way in the future? here its year 2045
Hi, why Karhu did only 33k % coverage after 18h?
When I test my 7600, it usually takes 10-11h for 40k coverage.
you have 2x24GB?
Do the ~9000Mhz CUDIMMs on the Intel Core 200 work just toggling XMP on? Or do you need to have a good CPU and do lots of tinkering?
@@paul.1337 With the right motherboard they do usually work but the memory controller is then set automatically to Gear4 which kills performance. Gear2 is possible at 9000MT/s IIRC but you need luck on your CPU and/or a good mobo for that.
Is this a good substitute for 7800x3d? Strictly gaming speaking
It depends on the game, but if the extra $200 gets you a better video card, it might be faster overall.
Would this work on a 6400 M Die kit?
I have the 6400 M Die kit of this and hit 8000 pretty easily.
Do you guys think that I should swap an asrock x670e pg ligthing to x870 tomahawk or some other x870 mobo to run this kit?
I've read that even mobos with 8k in qvl couldn't run 8k, and my board doesn't even have an 8k qvl
So how much faster is this compared to tight 6000 timings?
There's no DDR PMU Training on my x670E Asrock PG Lighting on the latest stable (not beta) BIOS :/
You made it out like 14th gen has a lot more potential than 13th gen, but I have a 14600, and you only did a video on the 13600. Do you have a 14600? If you cant do a 14600 oc, ill try to follow how you did your 13600
edit: ermagerd you literally disabled the e-cores in that video... are the e-cores better on 14th gen
I heard you mentioned exactly the problems i am experiencing in some of your videos, and I am desperate.
I hope you can help me since you are experienced in this.
Could you revisit Asrock B650 Live Wire
this board even boots 2x16 8000 c38, but it's down to the cpu if it gets stable. my 9950x can even run 8200 c38 2x24 on this board, sadly the 9800x3d just reboots after running karhu on 8000 for like 5 min, even tho its throwing 0 errors. btw, my HWinfo has the memory temp sensors going. must be something other than the board.
Nice, I'm surprised you didn't do it with the tomahawk though
The optimized timings? These exact settings work on the Tomahawk also
@atirta777 I'm just wanting see what his overclock is like with 24gb m-die sticks on the tomahawk.
what’s the fastest ram for 9800x3d right now?
hwinfo shows my memory temps on my 870e taichi lite near the bottom. im using corsair cl30 6000
Okay, for clarification, for gaming, 8000 MHz has no advantage over 6000 MHz 1:1 with tight timings?😅
7600 beats 6000. You need to be at 6400 to match 8000.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking i'm at 6400 1:1 with tight timings
Sorry for spam, but I need your help, guys.
I need help with stability issues.
So a few months ago, i built a new PC.
7800x3d
4070 Super
2x16 Kingston fury beast 6000mhz 30 36 36
asus tuf gaming b650 gaming plus wifi
I have these stability issues that appear only when I cold boot the system.
after boot, if do normal things like watching video, it'ss okay. but if I play demanding games, it starts to stutter or i experience sound Cut offs, sometimes my games that want to be updated in steam says Disk error!
the only way it gets fixed is that i go inside game, experience the stutter, and then restart PC! it gets fixed. if i don't restart, the stutters become worse, and it goes to BSOD.
I have tried manual ram timings, disabling Expo. disabling PBO, disabling fast boot , disabling memory restore context, reinstalling windows, changing my ram sticks, and nothing has worked. i still have the same issue after cold boot and sleep, and if i don't restart 1 or 2 times, the problem lingers.
my phyrdls aren't matched at 6000 1:1 but are at 7600 on my HDV so this is stuff is the biggest mystery ever to me
It'd be nice if they sent me that kit too. Nobody in NZ stocks it. Not the EXPO one at least. Bugger.
Not keen to import PC parts in case I have to return them. Our chain like Micor Center is calleed PB tech. The fastest EXPO kits they have is Corsair Vengence 6400. Meh.
Maybe they can get it in for me. It's good to know this kit works. Cheers. My mobo is a X870 Aorus. Not X870E. Should be okay. 7200 might be safer though. CPU is a 9950X, so I dunno if the controller is as good as the 9800X3D.
Why do you sound American when you live in the UK
Gskill 6000 cl30 kit 2x16 expo at 6400 2200 66.7ns 72k read and copy 130€
Teamgroup extreme 8000cl38 2x24 xmp 8000 2000 cl 36 with your numbers
65ns and read at 63k read and copy 330€
6000kit has higher read write copy and 1ns slower 👀 9800x3d x870e hero
Still slower than 6000mhz cl28
Cope
@lechf cop with faster ram? Ok... I guess I will?
@@hankwest5662cope because you’re here in the comments of an overclocking video boasting about running the most generic ram setup. Even if your 6000c28 beats this setup in some application it’s still slower than 6200 and 6400 so keep coping
No idea where you could have gotten that info from... This 8000 is faster than 6400cl30 1:1. Even 7600cl36 2:1 is faster than 6000 1:1 with tight timings.
You don’t have to lie / delude yourself & others to justify a purchase
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Wish i could use MCR enabled on my x670e taichi with 7950x3d but leads to being unstable
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