Vocal Coach Reacts To Chicago - Live - Then And Now - Ken Tamplin
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- Vocal Coach Reacts To Chicago - Live - Then And Now - Ken Tamplin
Before they were Chicago, the band called themselves the Chicago Transit Authority. Doesn’t quite have the same rock vibe to me.
When the band first started out in the late 60s they wrote more politically charged music and they called themselves “a rock and roll band with horns”.
Similar to The Doors they got a regular gig at the Los Angeles club Whisky a Go Go, where they would play on Sunday and Monday nights. Jimi Hendrix actually discovered them there and ended up bringing them on tour with him as his opening act.
The band put together a large string of hits through the 70s and 80s and in 1982 David Foster became their producer for their album Chicago 16.
With Foster the band gradually moved to a softer sound, and produced several hit ballads.
Peter Cetera and Foster became what he referred to as the “power couple” and their new mellower sound also meant less participation from the horn section. This alienated the brass, but was wildly successful. Foster went on to produce their next two albums.
Chicago has gone on to be one of the longest-running and most successful rock groups including one of the world's best-selling groups of all time, having sold more than 100 million records. Back in 1971, Chicago was the first rock act to sell out Carnegie Hall for a week.
Today I’ll be reacting to a compilation of performances old and new which feature various band members and performers. There were definitely some performances that I preferred more than others. Check it out and let me know what you thought!
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Cetera is class, brings back memories from junior high. Great reaction Ken!
76mattsouth Thank you!
Lest we not forget that Terry Kath is a very underrated guitarist.
charles rzeppa We will remember.
Terry Kath put the funk in Chicago. Never the same after...
And vocalist- they always have missed Terry Kath- he was the super glue.
This is NOT ABOUT TERRY KATH.
Nobody DENIES that Terry Kath was a FANTASTIC talent.
Peter Cetera has such a unique and powerful voice that it would be nearly impossible to replicate. Chicago is such an iconic band with a timeless sound and message. Thank you for reminding me of these classics!
You bet, Robbie!
His voice is powerful yet sweet at same time.
Peter Cetera has an awesome voice. How can you not sing a long. Music isn’t the same anymore. Love these videos. Thank you for sharing.
Funny thing, I actually don't think I ever sing along to Peter Cetera, just because he has such an amazingly unique voice, I prefer to listen to it. Though, I still jump in with the rest of the band during the harmonies, lol.
Cetera is definitely my pick by a LONG way, always loved his era of Chicago
I never would've known Peter Cetera uses a mixed voice had you not pointed it out. Very cool. I mean, on the studio versions you can't even tell.
Chicago had three original lead singers: Terry Kath, who sings in gruff, Ray Charles-like vocal. He had a great vocal potential. Peter Cetera is a great example for his tenor vocal, which he is known for. Robert Lamm’s vocal is a baritone. He does a few good vocals with Chicago. All three of them have a distinctive style, vocally, which made Chicago so unique!
Thanks for sharing, Tommy Collins!
The horns made them pretty unique too 😊
@@heathermiller5765 Of the three original lead vocalists of Chicago, Peter Cetera was actually the last to join! They already had two baritone voices on board and needed a tenor and they picked the best! All of the singers who had to sing Peter's parts after he left had a tough job, but imho the best was Jeff Coffey who not only had the range to cover PC's material but was a great bass player too. At least after PC's departure the band has been able to hire younger musicians who have a better chance of handling those tricky high tenor parts.
@@heathermiller5765 And the horns are another vocal part.
Dude, Dawayne Bailey singing with Jason is incredible. Hell, just Dawayne alone singing is magic!
at 7:25 is Kevin Cronin from REO SPEEDWAGON the 3rd singer
All of REO Speed wagon was performing with Chicago.
I must admit Peter is so expressive he can make a grown man cry
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Terry Kath was Chicago’s original guitarist, who accidentally shot himself to death at the age of 31 in January, 1978. He was a brilliant guitarist and his guitar solo on ‘25 or 6 to 4’ was pure epic!
Correct. He sadly challenged his roadie that he could pull the trigger and that it was safe because he emptied the cartridge, but forgot that there was still a bullet in the chamber when he pulled the trigger. It happened just an hour after New Year’s Eve passed.
The first singer you play is Robert Lamm, who wrote "Saturday". He is still with the band, still sings some leads, but his voice isn't what it was in the early 70s. Of course, that's true of nearly everyone alive and singing then. Terry Kath, the orignal guitarist, died in an accident while cleaning his gun on coke. He was one of the best around, Hendrix called him his favorite guitarist. The 24/6/4 singer was Jason Scheff, son of Jerry Scheff, Elvis' bassist.
Robert still sounds virtually the same though, very little falter.
I was fortunate enough to see Chicago with Earth Wind and Fire in concert a few years ago. When they all played together it gave me chills. Yes, Chicago has evolved and changed. And no one will ever replace Peter Cetera but those were big shoes to fill.
That's awesome you got to see them, LJ Stevens!
Peter’s not flat. That’s just the wow and flutter of the VHS tape! :P
I saw a recent interview with Bill Champlin, and one of his comments about his time in the band was that Jason Scheff had a lot of trouble singing Peter's songs, but he could sing his own songs very well because they were written in his range. A few of the Jason songs I personally like are "Will You Still Love Me?", "What Kind of Man Would I Be?", "We Can Last Forever", "The Pull", "Show Me a Sign" and "Now". They might be worth a listen if you haven't heard them yet.
Darth Santa Fe ? I saw that interview Champlin said "Jason had pitch problems " but he also said Jason is a much better singer out of Chicago than he was in Chicago. That would make sense, hes free from the pressure of "sing it this way" or "sing it that way". Replacement singers have to deal with that.
Cetera is a tough voice to cover. He recovered from the broken jaw and still kept that rich tenor voice till this day. I think Neil Donnell does a good job as their current lead vocatist.
Cetera was amazing in his prime. For quite a few years now he hasn't been able to sing the famous Chicago hits in the original key. He still sounds good, just not the same as the Peter Cetera we all remember.
The voice ages like the rest of the human body. Cetera now 79 yrs old retired in 2019.@@johnwoods2736
They have had Great singers with great harmony’s 25 to 6 to 4 a fantastic tune ..
I was blessed to see them perform. One of the best concerts I have ever been. Thanks Ken for your great band selection.
That's awesome, Dan!
I’m a big Chicago fan. I grew up on it. Peter Cetera is THE voice of Chicago. Jason Scheff was an adequate replacement but it wasn’t the same.
Isaiah Marquez I agree.
I like Jason tone, although he's not so good live, I think he has a very bad technique.
@@JorgeOstos I agree men, I like jason's voice on studio, I just don't know why he sounds terrible on live.
Thank God for the trombone
I think Bill Champlin was ok too but def not Peter
I loved their horn section. Love the old Chicago songs.
So do I, karend169!
Doesn't get any more classic than Chicago!!! Lotsa life lived, lotsa memories!!! Great run down Ken, as always... thanks for sharing!!!
Terry Kath and Robert Lamm were great singers too, but nothing beats Peter Cetera. Chicago is such an underrated group!
peter had a fantastic voice, just really wouldn't be Chicago with out him,and Glory of Love,one of my favorites.From the KK2
Summer of 86, that song was on the radio many times, never got tired of it, such a masterpiece. Cetera and Foster for the last time. Second number 1 hit for their collaboration.
Ken...The 25 or 6 to 4 song was from a concert at Red Rocks...it was a double bill...Chicago and REO Speedwagon. At the end...both bands came out and performed a few of each bands songs together. It's a recorded concert...AXIS shows it all the time....great job as always.
I'll have to check that out, David!
Ken Tamplin Vocal Academy if you want to hear a great version on 25 or 6 to 4 listen to it on Chicago ll or the 1970 Tanglewood concert version.
Cronin making guest appearance , he was another amazing voice
Hey, Ken, I appreciate your videos. I always enjoyed hearing Terry Kath sing for Chicago. He had such a unique voice.
~Sam
Zeb Wiffle Cooks Keto Agreed!!!!
Jason Scheff's Will You Still Love Me is one of my favs. They did have a small handful of hits under him.
Thanks for the thoughts!
Jason did a nice job on this song.
Unfortunately you had a few facts off on this video. The guy that replaced Peter Cetera is Jason Scheff not Bill Champlin. Champlin was an additional keyboardist and vocalist who sang a lot of their ballads in the 80s. The third singer was actually Kevin Cronin from REO Speedwagon as well as one of the two guitarists, the guy playing acoustic, one of the keyboardist etc. it was a song that the bands did when they toured together a few years ago.
Thanks for clearing that up, Kevin!
@@kentamplin also Bil Champlin was a man who took David Foster to the group. Without him maybe there were no Chicago's success on the 80's. Chicago 16 & 17 albums also a very big huge success for David Foster's career as a producer & somgwriter.
Bill was with Chicago from 1981 to 2009
@@cahyoh.harimurti8554 I thought Danny Seraphine brought Foster in to produce and Foster brought Champlin in.
When i saw the "third singer" i thought he's the guy from REO Speedwagon, though older, and after seeing recent REO live videos, yes it was Kevin Kronin. Cant fight this Feeling!
I have to say Ken i was a big Chicago fan until Peter left as i felt Peter was the voice of Chicago! I am a very huge fan of David Foster as well! I have to agree with you the last video was pretty bad that is not the Chicago i sure know just like yourself my friend!! I had to cover one of my very favorite Chicago songs from 1971 "Colour My World" That is the Chicago i know and love!!
Kelly Mark Peter didn't sing that song tho...
Okay, I've been kinda just checking your reactions out here and there without actually subscribing, but this is the reaction that made me sub lol. I love that face and the "okay, definitely no Peter Cetera" 😂
Crystal Morris Glad you liked it! Welcome aboard!
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70's Chicago was by far the best iteration of the band. I saw them back in the early 90's, and the biggest difference I noticed even then was that they did not sound cohesive. It was almost like watching a bunch of guys trying to outdo each other, but failing. Fortunately the night was saved by the fact that they were playing with The Moody Blues. I was originally drawn to the band in high school because of the horn section, and the fact that I played trombone at that time. When I switched to guitar they still had plenty to offer. I have almost everything they ever put out, but they will unfortunately never get back to where they once were. Thank you for the review.
That's awesome you got to see them back then, Jim!
I believe that was Kevin Cronin , lead singer of Reo SpeedWagon), singing with them on 25 or 6 to 4. I'm assuming a guest vocalist or something?
That was 2014 I think, when they toured together. Both bands came out and played an encore!
Dean Smith a couple years ago REO toured w Chicago. REO would do a set Chicago would do a set then they would do a set together alternating each other’s hits
I grew up listening to Chicago. One of my favorite bands.
Always loved Peter Cetera's voice.
Me too!
first time I've seen you cringe, just shows how honest you are and how much we appreciate that
Terry Kath!!!! To the bone!
You just can’t replace the amazing voice of Peter Cetera no matter how hard they tried and they tried several times.
Absolutely, Chicago Fan!
Music and groups of that era .best of all time. Even now 10 great groups 5 of them from that era
It was a great time for music, Jon!
Oh man my favourite band......saw them when I was 19....I was playing trumpet then and the brass section knocked me out ....the whole band did.
I’ll never forget it.
They were called Chicago Transit Authority in the beginning with The Outstanding Terry Kath on guitar....what a loss.
Oh man what a band James Pankow scores a lot of the brass Lee loughane on Trumpet and Walter Parazaider on sax when I saw them.
There 2nd lip was classical influenced there 3 was country influenced ( if I Remember rightly)
There still fabulous and I’m a fan for life....., but the energy and vibe was not the same after Kaths demise......heartbreaking.
And there still going...tough as nails.
I loved Chicago from '78 back. They lost their edge when Terry passed...
I hope Peter and Chicago bury the hatchet someday and reunite cause that would be awesome! 😎👍
You come to my senses is my favorite
Chicago💖💖💖 I feel sorry for the youth of today. I have been lucky to have lived through decades of great music. Hurts my heart sometimes when I really stop and think about it. Makes me cry. Sorry for my ramblings .😎
Thanks for listening.
You can’t find another voice like Peter Cetera. He’s one of a kind. Absolutely beautiful. Look for the 1970 Tanglewood concert. Peter sings there and Terry Kath was awesome on guitar. I agree with that face. Jason scheff is definitely not Peter. Play more Chicago but only with Peter.
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Great clip of recent Chicago. That was actually an encore during the REO Speedwagon / Chicago tour. During 25 or 6 to 4 they traded vocals. The guy with the gray hair is Kevin Cronin, REOs lead singer. Just saw REO in 2021. Kevins voice was pretty darn good. Ken, that might be good before/ after. Kevin Cronin REO. But nobody can replace Peter C!
HAPPY NEW YEAR KEN and GOD BLESS YOU. ALL THE BEST FOR 2023. from Michael.
I loved them. We had so many incredible bands back then. They were all so incredibly talented. What a great title, 25 or 6 to 4....
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In the 25 or 6 to 4 clip the one singer looks like the lead singer from REO Speed wagon
best horns section ever
9:10 Jason Scheff was never an outstanding vocalist, but he can play bass. When Chicago didn't have a vocalist, Jason was there to continue the show. Peter is a phenomenal vocalist. Sometimes we take his talent for granted. It becomes obvious when Peter's no longer around, nobody can step in his shoes. Jason Scheff got out of Chicago in 2016
Thanks for the thoughts, Michael!
LOL....Jason Scheff is a fantastic vocalist.
@@PickettMusic He's really good doing many of the Cetera's hits, and he definitely got much better with the years of experience. Singing and playing bass in Chicago, and substituting for Peter and being under his shadow, was not an easy task at all. The clips of Jason singing here don't make him any justice IMHO...There are much better clips over here.
Chicago has become nothing but a touring “Greatest Hits” nostalgia band. Many of their performances are lackluster and I’m sure they do it for the mazola. Cant blame ‘em though, got make a living somehow.
Bill Champlin said that Jason suffered from pitch issues his whole tenure with Chicago, and it shows. Chicago is a big touring act, so they didn't need a phenomenal vocalist after Peters departure, just one to get close enough. That being said, Jason is phenomenal not singing Peters songs.
Hey Ken, if you haven't done so already, check out Cetera's performance at the 2017 Festival de Vina del Mar. The clips are all over UA-cam. Even into his mid-70s, he STILL sounds fantastic!!!!
Peter . Amazing .... seen them . Very great
That's great, Charlotte!
Ken, if you watch the video again, the guy singing the song after "Hard to say I'm sorry", not the bass player but the blonde guy; that's the lead singer of REO Speedwagon.
ha, thank you Ken for listening to my suggestions (so I hope haha) :)))
You're welcome, Kasia.
“You dirty wabbit” 😂😂😂. That’s funny!!!
If no one has mentioned it before, go to the Tanglewood concert of 1970. It had the guitarist, Terry Kath, who died of an accidental gunshot wound, and Peter Cetera singing lead. It is excellent.
Thank you for doing this reaction Ken! Chicago is one of my favorite bands, and Peter Cetera is one of my favorite singers of all time!! He has been a major influence for me with my singing❤
"Dirty wabbit" lmao 🤣
Love most anything in the 70s. The music was live and extremely well written. Chicago was the bomb 💣.
I’m a big Chicago fan. The horn section is icing on the cake.
I absolutely agree 100% with you Ken. I enjoy that you were totally honest when u don’t like something
Chicago started out as students of Jazz and most met at DePaul University so they have that background in Jazz, Blues (for which Chicago is the home to) and funk. They had a such hunger to stand out from the crowd, especially with other horn bands such as Blood, Sweat and Tears. They were all phenomenal musicians, even Peter in his own right, just listen to his improvisation on the bass lines, he really kills it walking his notes up and down the fret board instead of thumping the same 4/4 notes that many bass players do. Rumor has it that when they played the Whiskey opening for Hendrix, Jimi, after Chicago left the state, pointed at Terry Kath, the guitarist and said, “That guy’s better than me!”. So said that their energy died with Kath.
I always thought "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" is a Bee Gees song... what a mistake :O
If you heard the song "LITTLE MISS LOVIN' written and sung by Cetera on the 1978 Chicago album " Hot Streets" the Bee Gees are singing on that song so there is a chance you get to hear them together and this song is not a ballad its a rocker.
A good documentary about the band history is on Netflix.
That was made by Terry's Daughter.
@8:07 I think it's Bill Leverty (red guitar), founding and current member of the rock band, FireHouse. :)
So awesome vocabularies coming out from an awesome vocal coach!
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The last guy ended up improving; he's the same guy at 6:04, of whom Ken said was doing a good job. Practice makes perfect!
You know you’re listening to Chicago when the horn section comes alive!
Would love to hear you review Sheriff/Alias' Freddy Curci - phenomenal sound, curious how he hits the high notes so clearly.
I'm glad you were honest.
Thanks Maria Day!
Awww, "Hard To Say I'm Sorry" was my heartbreak song back in '83. I was 19 & just broke up with my first love, much crying to this one.
Sorry to bring back sad memories, MissJensk1!
@@kentamplin Aw, no, I still love the somg. :-)
Terry Kath was a phenomenon lost way too early to this beautiful world of rock music. Chicago were a phenomenon that only comes once or twice in a century. RIP Terry...
What a great band!
Haha, I'm dying over here, that was hilarious-- rare form, Ken! Chicago, Boston, BTO, Queen, love those big band sounds with pit instrumentation and horns, just cool. And, thank you for cutting it off early!! 🤣🤣
Great reaction as always i don't have family and i just found out my grandma who raised me who i was very close to passed away a few nights ago and yt videos are the obly thing that's helping me through this rough time. My grandma loved chicago as do i what a great band. Rip grandma i miss you and you'll always be in my heart.
Chicago was my favorite band growing up in the 80s. I loved all their songs, but my favorite ones were when Peter Cetera was lead. As an aside, I'm pretty sure the blonde guy singing at 7:08 was Kevin Cronin from REO Speedwagon!
Allot of people didn't know they produced allot of Earth wind and fires songs
David worked on EWF's "I Am". Chicago went on tour EWF very late and even covered "I Can't Let Go" a few years ago. Bill co-wrote "After the Love is Gone" with Foster & Jay Graydon. That's the extent of Chicago's involvement with EWF.
@@Nostaljack I thought that was wild they won an r&b song of the year Grammy for that song. A lot of talented guys coming straight out of DePaul University. Simply amazing.
Good shout .. I didn’t know that 😎
Bill Chapman wrote After the Love is Gone.
Awesome
The gentleman at around 7:00 singing "25 or 6 to 4" is Kevin Cronin from REO Speedwagon.
Saw Chicago with Earth Wind And Fire. Was amazing
Awesome, Leonard!
You cracked me up.. when you said "You dirty wabbit" 😂 I loved "Chicago".. before Peter Cetera left. I agree with everything you said. The only two that sounds good on this video... are Peter Cetera and the lead singer of "REO Speedwagon". Two of my favorites are Lou Gramm & Peter Cetera...great voices. Oh..Steve Perry, also!. Would love to see you react to Elvis Presley. His voice was beyond amazing 💙
Jessi Brunson 😁
Kevin "foreverrrr" Cronin.
I HAD to listen to this again! Peter Cetera...first older man I've ever fallen in love with 😂 Well, my husband is four years older, but Peter is much older 😊 He's one of my favorites, though! He's 75, now..but looks younger. You had me laughing when you were making a face at Cetera's replacement 😂 I would love to hear you do one of his songs 💙
Btw...they made a HUGE mistake when they "fired" Cetera! They cut off their nose to spite their face...as my dear mama use to say.
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Jessi!
That group has been around forever!!!! I remember this song when I was probably around six or seven years old. Mid 70s maybe. I was born in 1967. I just remember when I was in high school and everybody went crazy over Chicago with Peter Cetera as vocalist “ you’re the inspiration” & “ hard to say I’m sorry”. They were really really good all during their career, But vastly different. One of of the time.... It’s about that versatility and not having some music producer trying to put you in a little box to do one or two different things because they like that it’s about that versatility and not having some music producer trying to put you in a little box to do one or two different things because they like that “ safe space” & don’t believe in being bold and making a statement. And “ ohh no” that last guy singing hard to say I’m sorry makes me want to howl. That was bad 😁
Great shirt buddy 👍!!!
Dirty wabbit! That made me lose my green tea lolol. So funny
loved Chicago - not heard them for a while - (they were great in the day...) -thanks Ken :)
Chicago is basically a cover band and has gone the same route of foreigner without Lou Gramm
Same with Journey . Some singers cannot be replaced
Eagles only has one original member, Chicago has 3.
Simply awesome!!!
Theres a live original version of 25 or 6 to 4 from the 1970..and peter is singing..and terry kath got some unbelievalble stage presence,vocal and guitar is on point,wow..
mcfly .hur 👍
Chicago a multidimensional band
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Well that last singer has great hair 😎
Thank you for pointing out that the more important thing is the guitar solo at 8:00 🤘
Man, Chicago is great! The Karate Kid also gave them that extra boost!
As far as newer members, that’s a tough one trying fill someone else’s shoes like Peter C. I don’t think I’d ever want to be in that position.
25 or 6-4 was from a Show with REO Speedwagon. That was the singer in the white shirt with blonde curls.
The singer was Jason Scheff, who replaced Cetera in 1985.
Thanks for clearing that up Tommy Collins!
Yessss.... finally about Cetera ... thanks, Coach..
Great reaction! Looking forward to 'Il Volo' reaction. It would be super cool.
Guy with the white hair singing is lead singer of REO Speedwagon❤️
@6:09 some new guy.....Jason Scheff was with Chicago longer than Cetera! Hahaha
That was an earlier video of Jason (long hair). Even Champlin looked young. Jason has got a bad rap from the start. He had tough shoes to fill, but once he relaxed and didn't try to be Cetera, he was fine. It's tough comparing the old band to the new. Apples n oranges.
Looks like you noticed after posting that the 25 or 6 to 4 live recording also had members of REO Speedwagon on stage. Their guitar player, the one on the left during the solo is Dave Amato. He's also known for his work with John Elefante and his project Mastedon -- similar to you and your project Magdallan. One day you should react to John Elefante.... he's brilliant, and formerly of Kansas as well!
For me Chicago's great singers of course my idol Peter Cetera, the late Terry Kath, Robert Lamm & Bill Chapman.
Yes just hearing cetera😃certainly brings back memories 😆great analysis ken.
Thanks, Dave!
If I'm not mistaking Chicago 17 was the very first album that I ever bought. Awesome band. Thanks a lot Ken. Now I've got to run to the store and buy another Chicago cd lol. If only I still had my record player with cassette player I wouldn't have to go anywhere lol.
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Chicago 17 is one of my favorite albums of all time! Amazing songs, amazing singing and amazing musicians! I actually had to purchase another tape because I wore the first one out lol.