Does the Sig P322 Still Have Problems with Barrel Leading??

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  • @Josef_R
    @Josef_R Рік тому +10

    People complaining of leading were referring to the muzzle, not the chamber where you are seeing it, which is normal. Lead building up at the muzzle is a potential problem. It is most likely the result of clamping pressure during the threading procedure.

    • @PBVader
      @PBVader Рік тому +2

      I would agree. Theres a pinch point on some of these barrels. May benefit from a slug polish which lets you feel the offending area.

  • @gunner45357308
    @gunner45357308 Рік тому +4

    I purchased my P322 11/24/2023. The first time I shot it I put about 300 rounds through it. With 5 different types of ammo. Rem Golden HPs, Rem Thunderbolts, CCI Stingers, Federal Auto match and Armscor HP. All worked with no issues. I did not see any barrel leading like I have seen in some videos. Since then I have fired another 400 rounds with no issues and no leading. Maybe they fixed the issue. It is often said not to buy a new model Sig anything until about a year later. It seems they don't always have all the bugs worked out when the release the product.
    For now it is working great.

    • @ralphkw8g946
      @ralphkw8g946 11 місяців тому

      Curious what is your serial number on your SS? My girlfriends is 73A036703 bought in early May 2023. Hers late? Early?

    • @craigtayntor489
      @craigtayntor489 7 місяців тому

      Many that purchased after January have little if any buildup. It runs like a well oiled machine, no pun intended. Lol. Ps. Lots of tools paid to boot to trash its competition. My moto if I need answers to almost ANYTHING. THINK MONEY AND THE ANSWERS COME IN SHORT ORDER. GREAT, TO HEAR YOUR HAPPY....

  • @libra7624
    @libra7624 11 місяців тому +6

    Maybe some barrels are a manufacturing lot error in the first lots of production but consider this also, 20 rounds mags can also cause more heat then most 22's that have half it's capacity like 10 and under before mag change, double the heat possibly, also a pencil thin barrel. so adding more heat, more burnt powder, wax from bullet coatings and a pencil thin barrel the chances are that every shot rapid fire is increasing the heat having 21 rounds to get it much hotter, I think the gun isn't for rapid fire or designed to handle rapid fire, I have this gun and no problems but have been shooting browning buckmak 22s since 1985, Buckmarks can rapid fire and stay cool some what but a pencil thin barrel on the Sig 322 and Taurus TX 22 you could get them to hot, I don't rapid fire my 22s but once in a while, constant rapid fire on any 22 pistol is hard on more then just the barrel, the firing pin cycling so fast you can get more light strikes, this is because the timing cycle can't keep up with the speed of your finger, the spring needs time to snap forward the firing pin, although rapid fire may be fun it's unnecessary because 22s have hardly any recoil, you do a mag dump in defense you will hit the target so no need to practice run and gun mag dumps, focus on good A zone hits like double taps or head shots. Another thing is the crown of barrel doesn't have a 11 degree crown but has been kept a straight crown for the suppressor adaptor, that's why you will notice a sharp crown with no angle, it's so that adaptor and suppressor don't have a angle gap when connecting it to barrel Wich would effect accuracy from bullets passing over gap. Heat will also give your mags issues doing rapid fire or guys tossing mags on the ground after reloads, you can still do your drill on sand and rocks but put something down like a used blanket or bed sheet. Heat, friction, carbon build up, lack of lube including feed ramp give 22s issues, you have more rounds you can fire then you 9 mm thus they get more dirty and need lube sooner and they need cool down time, 20 rounds rapid fire is more heat and friction meaning more problems, it's a fun plinker but needs to stay cool, lubed and cleaned even after a box of 100 CCI standard or mini mags

  • @marthaabernathy8868
    @marthaabernathy8868 Рік тому +11

    Well now this is a interesting video and a interesting topic. I do realize that there are some sig P 322 owners out there that has experience leading issues. However even though my sig p322 is a early model and that I have fired over 6,000 rounds through it I have never had a leading issue. Most of my rounds have been non-coated and it still doesn't seem to make any difference.

    • @sleigh4019
      @sleigh4019 10 місяців тому +1

      Lol..the only guy hahahaha

    • @craigtayntor489
      @craigtayntor489 7 місяців тому

      Your colonoscopy tool that the host will demonstrate homes. Thx for your time and expertise, keep up the good work. People buy guns can shoot a lick, have NOT a clue on the weaknesses of an arm and to boot take shit. Forgot can't fight a lick either

    • @johng.4959
      @johng.4959 4 місяці тому

      What??? 😮

  • @mwrench2008
    @mwrench2008 29 днів тому

    I bought mine in Sept. 2024 I have this exact problem going on now. First time shooting it was a complete disaster, couldn't get through 20 rounds - Winchester .22lr. Opened up a case with Sig today to send to them for testing.

  • @frankwhittenberg172
    @frankwhittenberg172 Рік тому +8

    Chamber is fluted. That’s where carbon buildup appeared, to me. Mine has given no issues.

  • @pastorhalhall
    @pastorhalhall Рік тому +1

    I put 200 rounds of Winchester Wildcat and 325 rounds of Federal auto match all lead bullets today. No problems until about 500 rounds. I also shot cci mini mags. It seems to like those the best. Just cleaned it. Ballistol, a bore brush and a few patches through it cleaned it up good.

  • @mrsmith8436
    @mrsmith8436 Рік тому +4

    Barrel leading is a very real thing on early models. I had one and verified the issue didn’t even bother with Sig since they were not fixing it anyway. Cleaned it and took a loss trading it for a P17. The later is a much better value

    • @tlc239
      @tlc239 Рік тому

      I have both.... My p17 blew up in my face a week ago.

    • @TADDs101
      @TADDs101 Рік тому

      ​@tlc239 how did it blow up in your face ?

    • @tlc239
      @tlc239 Рік тому +2

      @@TADDs101 pulled the trigger and it went 💥! Blew almost all the polymer off the gun safety on both sides went flying . Not 💯 % sure what happened. We are thinking it let the hammer drop and wasn't completely into battery. It's still with Kel-Tec they haven't said anything about it still.

    • @TADDs101
      @TADDs101 Рік тому +1

      @tlc239 hopefully you didnt get hurt at all, besides I'm sure it scared the 💩💩💩 out of you

    • @tlc239
      @tlc239 Рік тому +2

      @@TADDs101 thanks... It actually didn't scare me. It wasn't super loud. Luckily it wasn't a larger caliber. I had my eyes and ears on. It was like more of a did that really just happen moment. Didn't get hurt just blasted with polymer pieces..

  • @RiverBluffBaggers
    @RiverBluffBaggers Рік тому +3

    Just got mine 2 weeks ago and also bought a box of Winchester 22lr with it. Shot about 100 rounds that day and at first it was shooting very accurately. The more i shot the worse it seemed to get. Looked at the barrel and definitely had leading of the barrel, mine was mostly at the muzzle of the barrel. Cleaned it up and shot another hundred rounds of blazers and they worked extremely good and accurate. Shot some thunderbolts and didn't seem to be to bad but not as good as blazers. Love the gun so far just need to find the right bullet for the gun.

  • @David-p4t4n
    @David-p4t4n 4 місяці тому

    I get stovepipes on last cartridge in the mags. The mag follower is a bit lower than the feed ramp. After 4,500 rounds, the ejector block springs needed cleaning by my gunsmith.

  • @calebjohnson7592
    @calebjohnson7592 4 місяці тому

    The cuts in the chamber are fluting for more reliable extraction. We would use a special single point tool, and run the turret into the chamber on the Z axis to make straight cuts. We also had no reliable way of measuring the depth of the cuts, so consistency was out the window.

  • @larryholton9560
    @larryholton9560 7 місяців тому

    the original problems encountered was chattering marks when the barrel was being rifled.
    if you thank you have a fluted chamber on a 22 you have a problem..
    some of these comments are absolutely idiotic

  • @TennesseeTactical
    @TennesseeTactical 5 місяців тому +1

    Interesting video. I personally haven't purchased this firearm however I have it on my list. As a certified gunsmith I do have to say that you should always keep live ammunition away from your work area to include your workbench. (Unless you are having to mortar a stuck round or something) which should be left to the professionals anyways. This is just a matter of safety and it's a good rule of thumb. Other than that, excellent video and great demonstration!

    • @OuterLimitless2
      @OuterLimitless2  5 місяців тому

      Agreed. The ammo was used for the discussion and to illustrate the "why" and you notice it was them removed once the work commenced. But yes I agree. Thanks for watching!

  • @PBVader
    @PBVader Рік тому +2

    Chamber extraction fluting seemed a bit rough. May want to chase polish lands with a slug, will let you feel inconsistencies and diameter variations. Or theres always fire lapping with copper washed or the harder punch ammo. Some barrels benefit from that. I've slug polished a taurus 45 rifle that leaded at a pinch point. Ive also rebarreled a 22 that someone long ago tried the vinegar peroxide trick on and destroyed the rifling. So dont do that if possible.

  • @masterchief7590
    @masterchief7590 10 місяців тому

    the one I bought 2 days ago leaded up after 800 copper coated rounds, the first 500 were butter though.

  • @owenbearden5769
    @owenbearden5769 Рік тому

    Looks like the exact stuff inside of my comp shotgun choke tubes and is in fact, carbon. Especially that being at the front of the barrel where the initial blast is

  • @lordmaul9440
    @lordmaul9440 Рік тому +4

    I'd always reccomend copper jacketed high quality rounds. Cuts down on clean up time, and helps keep things reliable and accurate...👍

    • @mrsmith8436
      @mrsmith8436 Рік тому +4

      No such thing as a copper jacketed 22LR. Copper plated yes but copper jacketed no. Big difference. Get educated.

    • @lordmaul9440
      @lordmaul9440 Рік тому +6

      @@mrsmith8436 You're right, I mispoke, but I think most people got the point. As for my education? No need to be rude...🤔

    • @jzx100jlp4
      @jzx100jlp4 Рік тому +1

      Hi what month year is yours? Does Any1 know what month/year when they got resolved from. Cheers

    • @nissanguy16
      @nissanguy16 Рік тому +1

      I’ve found that using the CCI Hunter copper polymer rounds actually cleans up the lead. Shoot a few after a few mags of the plain lead stuff.

    • @TADDs101
      @TADDs101 Рік тому +1

      I use CCI mini mag 40gr and have not had any issues at all with leading in the barrel .. I usually shoot 200-300rds per session and I clean my barrel after each session

  • @zingydesertyt2362
    @zingydesertyt2362 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the video. May I have a link to your borescope?

  • @per1y
    @per1y Рік тому +1

    I have one for 2 months realy no problems

  • @sleigh4019
    @sleigh4019 10 місяців тому

    I work at a range we rented few of these ....they lead up like crazy !!! Even when good ammo ...we have found few that work better but if someone says I shot 6000 rds no issue there full of it or cleaning there gun every 3rd mag ..its better I think with the newer guns but it was a bad issue at first we sent both back

    • @OuterLimitless2
      @OuterLimitless2  10 місяців тому

      Crazy yeah definitely seems to be an issue with the original copies... Not sure if they actually fixed it but so far so good for me

  • @ronin550
    @ronin550 3 місяці тому

    My wife just purchased one and have only shot jacketed rds and will only shoot jacketed rds thru this. No issues yet....

  • @googleuser6095
    @googleuser6095 11 місяців тому +2

    Sig Sauer actually told me that I should only use CCI mini mags... easy for them to say when they are double the price and I shoot at least 500-1k rounds a week...

    • @tomsalter4156
      @tomsalter4156 8 місяців тому

      No one buys a .22 for it to be ammo brand specific...these problems just aren't going away for sig

  • @tibzig1
    @tibzig1 4 місяці тому

    I'm no expert but I thought raw lead almost always caused fouling thus necessitating proper barrel cleanout after every session. Unless the barrels are manufactured with a defect, like they tighten up at the end or somewhere else...bore not consistent???

  • @puschmannn
    @puschmannn 3 місяці тому

    Is this barrel coated, it seems to be black?

  • @jeffblack7711
    @jeffblack7711 10 місяців тому

    Rapid firing uncoated 22 produces alot of heat. Lead melts at around 600 degrees. Its not surprising to me that lead is building up. Coated will be less of an issue

    • @ACommenterOnYouTube
      @ACommenterOnYouTube 5 місяців тому

      cci mini mags cp hp's ... i only use those and my barrels dont lead but then again i clean my gun after every trip to the range, no matter if i shoot 3 mags or 10 mags worth ..

  • @Mako-sz4qr
    @Mako-sz4qr 11 місяців тому

    What about the copper .22LR’s do they leave the same ? I really want this Sig P322. Great video

    • @OuterLimitless2
      @OuterLimitless2  11 місяців тому +1

      I would get it. Great gun. I truly have no issues with mine

    • @craigtayntor489
      @craigtayntor489 7 місяців тому

      Amen after January 2024, it runs as a well oiled machine. I know 3 people with them post January. 1 word. AMAZING. ITS A TACK DRIVER, ,,, CHIPPING. YOU WONT REGRET AS THE KIND PEOPLE STATED. THE KICKER THE TX HAS ( MANY) ISSUES ITS ALL DOCUMENTED. THE SLIDE ROD IS HORRIBLE. GET A SIG CONVERSION 22 KIT FOR 12 BUCKS ( STAINLESS STEEL, A REAL SPRING FOR 9 BUCKS. BALLGAME. ALL THE BEST.... I WATCH THIS SITE, GREAT GUY, SMOOCH, CHRIS ( HONEST OUTLAW AND MY BUDDY AND TRUE OLD SCHOOL NO BS MANS MAN HICKCOCK. ALL FANTASTIC GUYS.

  • @shortbarrel6781
    @shortbarrel6781 Рік тому +2

    I am not sure that is lead. Could be flaking of the top surface of a new barrel that eventually wears off. I have seen and owned other firearms do the same thing, reported as lead and then shot until break in and then no issues. This is why most likely guns that have been reported and returned to Sig have been sent back as no issue, the owner happy and not more of the flaking, but yet the Barrel not replaced. I have seen enough of the P322's as a Range master to know that the very majority of owners live this gun.

    • @robertkoehne6069
      @robertkoehne6069 Рік тому

      What? Steel does not flakelike that,,,say no to dugs!!

    • @royayers276
      @royayers276 8 місяців тому

      And to think this guy claims hes a range master 😂​@robertkoehne6069

  • @markmadsen6828
    @markmadsen6828 6 місяців тому

    All 22LR's lead barrels.. As well as other Lead bullets. (That's why they sell gas checks for lead bullets).. Especially with higher velocities and rapid fire. Hot barrel, soft lead... That's why we clean our firearms.. This practice of neglecting firearms is new to me. I was taught to keep it clean, just like anything i expect to work when I need it.. I blame Glock... Some Glock owners seem to think just because they never clean them and they still work that means something...? Buy a cleaning kit, some solvent, a small bottle of plain old gun oil and use it regularly. Good luck

  • @googleuser6095
    @googleuser6095 11 місяців тому

    I bought this as soon as they came out, after less than 200 rounds I had to send it back to Sig Sauer, they had to replace the internal hammer, had to replace the barrel, and the trigger springs. All in less than 200 rounds. It works now but it's a Fickle pistol for sure. I am not a novice, have been shooting for over four decades. I will take my Taurus tx22 over this pistol any day of the week.

    • @larryholton9560
      @larryholton9560 7 місяців тому

      my Taurus tx22 had the same issue as the early version of these with chattering marks on the rifling

  • @gunner45357308
    @gunner45357308 Рік тому

    The Sig P322 has a fluted chamber to aid in reliability.

  • @JDTee79
    @JDTee79 4 місяці тому

    I’m a bit bummer. I have a few handguns, s&w shield 9mm and a Glock 21 45acp but I wanted a less expensive.22 to plink targets with the wife and kids. I got the sig p322 and have had problems with jamming. I don’t think the 9mm or Glock has ever jammed. I’ve ran well over a 1000 rounds and sometimes the sig is true…: but sometimes it jams with every mag. My wife lives to shoot it but gets frustrated. Might have to ditch this one. 🤷‍♂️

    • @OuterLimitless2
      @OuterLimitless2  4 місяці тому

      The P322 is definitely a funny gun... It has some oddities for sure.

  • @mikehaynes8647
    @mikehaynes8647 Рік тому +5

    When you pulled out your choice of ammo, I knew this was an invalid test.

    • @OuterLimitless2
      @OuterLimitless2  Рік тому

      How so and why do you say invalid?

    • @mikehaynes8647
      @mikehaynes8647 11 місяців тому

      Thunderbolt ammo seems to always be problematic. I have used Stingers, Federal Punch and Mini Max and have not had any problems.
      @@OuterLimitless2

  • @kenirvin8877
    @kenirvin8877 Рік тому

    I've been checking mine and when I hit 500 rounds I take it down and clean and lube.
    Never once have I experienced a leading issue.

  • @-CBA-
    @-CBA- 8 місяців тому

    mine runs like a champ no problem

  • @Crankinstien
    @Crankinstien 11 місяців тому

    Mines fine

  • @agonyea
    @agonyea 8 місяців тому

    I have a 322 . Why are you shooting cheap lead ammunition? Plinking? Get some FMJ in brass. No issue

  • @ACommenterOnYouTube
    @ACommenterOnYouTube 5 місяців тому

    i got 2 Keltec P17's and an MP15-22 and i use CCI Mini Mags CPHP's and none of those have lead issues ...
    Physics tells me its the ammo and not the barrel ...

  • @jasonglasky7790
    @jasonglasky7790 Рік тому +2

    That's fluted chamber

  • @peggymorgan6355
    @peggymorgan6355 5 місяців тому

    Keep your shit clean and run a brush down The bore after every 100ish rounds especially since 22s are dirty rounds anyways.Sometimes with semi auto 22s it’s all about keeping it clean and using copper jacketed ammo in order to get it to run like it should.

    • @ACommenterOnYouTube
      @ACommenterOnYouTube 5 місяців тому

      i CLEAN my guns after every damn trip to the range, even if i only shoot 3 mags or 10 mags, they come home and they are CLEANED out.
      With that being said, i dont use lead bullets, i use copper plated bullets, cci mini mag cphp's ...
      Shot about 2000 rounds thru my Keltec P17 and have NEVER had leading issue, but then again as i said, i will shoot about 200 rounds thru that keltec and when i get home that barrel is spiffy clean with NO sign of leading or anything.
      Even in my MP15-22, i also shoot cphp's thru it and run about 150 rounds and when i get home, that barrel is CLEAN ...

  • @grantdonley4014
    @grantdonley4014 10 місяців тому

    I’m sure that some of these P322’s have bad barrels . That junk Thunderbolt ammo along with Winchester Wild Cat throws so much shit in the action I don’t know what’s in the powder? That being said my 1948 Colt Woodsman 2nd series, 1953 HS Sport King, and 1954 HS Field King have tens of thousands of rounds through them with no leading issues, even with junk ammo.

  • @howardkahn4330
    @howardkahn4330 10 місяців тому +4

    you need a quality auto loader......the Sig 322 is total; garbage and the Sig customer Serevice is among the worst......sig quality control sucks, this gun never should have been allow to be marketed

  • @RequiemJr
    @RequiemJr Рік тому +2

    Mine has leading. Im selling it..

    • @robertkoehne6069
      @robertkoehne6069 Рік тому +1

      I took a loss and ditched mine too. First the mosquito and now this? Sig needs to stick with 9mm. They can't figure out 22LR.

    • @smittysmith2043
      @smittysmith2043 5 місяців тому

      i agree

  • @sonnyburnett2417
    @sonnyburnett2417 4 місяці тому

    You did the entire experiment and video without having understood the problem. You thought chamber fluting was rifling and thought the chamber throat was a weld. UA-cam helps the blind lead blind.

  • @mzi03731
    @mzi03731 3 місяці тому

    like a colonoscopy

  • @Cory14Tina02
    @Cory14Tina02 6 місяців тому

    I'm thinking the issues may have been first batch.
    I picked mine up on 11/24/23. The only issues I've had so far have been limited to cycling with certain ammunition. I run mine predominantly suppressed. At first, it didn't like most of the subsonic options. After replacing the recoil spring for a reduced power one, it now reliably runs every option I've tried EXCEPT the
    CCI Quiet-22
    40 gr segmented hollow point
    710 FPS
    UPC: 076683009708
    MPN: 970
    Which kinda sucks, because those things were damn near Hollywood quiet and because they're segmented, slapped much harder though lacking in the penetration category, which is to be expected given its weight to velocity specs.