I think that if some manufacturer made an AWD off-road minivan with ground clearance and approach and departure angles comparable to off-road oriented crossovers, people would buy them to use as backcountry camper vans.
@@Doc1855SUVs for the masses are just minivans without the embarrassment of having a minivan. I don't think people should be embarrassed to have them. It has its own utility that SUVs don't have.
@@apocalypse487 - Agree. I am a 2 door sports car guy, never ever wanted a van but after trying Hond Pilot, CX90 and a few others, we ended up with Odyssey van as kids loved the seating capacity. I have had it for 5+ yrs and really like it. For record have M3 and MYP but van is still more comfy and enjoyable to drive.
I love how people try to compare Toyotas to KIAs and Chryslers. The 'infotainment' package might not be the best, but it's important because you are going to need to occupy yourself while waiting for a tow truck in Pacifica with 40K miles or your KIA with 65K miles on it. Meanwhile you'll get 200K mostly problem-free miles in a Sienna.
I own that exactly van. 23 Woodland Sienna. Suspension is out of the world. The lack of details on interior is well reflect in ALL the Suspension, brakes, reliability..... I did almost 40 hwy mpg and city 33 mpg. Please tell me what van ever created. It's better ? Hands down. Who needs a cinema inside the truck when you have windows and beautiful landscapes.
Another thing about larger wheels...it limits your winter tire options. I think Toyota believes tech in car is overrated for the average customer and the media/reviewers over hypes it....which I think is true.
Totally agree, but see my comment - I think if you're spending this much on a car, just sit and try out the old/existing system in this car and one of the Toyotas with the new one and you'll miss the home screen too much. I have no idea why they got rid of it
The tech is a massive jump from the previous gen Sienna 😀. All I need is Apple CarPlay. With my Proclip mount and short charge cable it’s great. I love ours. Skip the media package and 2 iPads are much better.
All weather tires are really making snow tires obsolete. AT tires are a different story though. I'd definitely want 17s for an offroad Sienna which I had for years on my lifted 2006 Sienna
I used to hate minivans, then I had a kid, they are definitely very family friendly (as seen when visiting in-laws and using rentals). If I could afford one I'd definitely get one, and an AWD Sienna would definitely be at the top of my list, mainly because of the AWD and Toyotas reputation for reliability.
Minivans are great for families. You get a crap ton of trunk space for all kinds of needs, you get a reclining back seat that can borderline become a bed, and it's more space efficient and gas efficient compared to a truck or a full size suv.
I have a 2014 Sienna xle with 205k miles. No leaks and mostly original. Had a Chrysler Van at one of my old jobs. 6 different trannys and 3 engines at 150k miles. Yeah, sometimes other vans may have something’s better but I would rather have a van that last.
Toyota usually would put a "Top Model" out just before the full new exterior re-design so I am not surprised. That been said, I am still driving a well maintained 2004 Sienna LE that I picked up new in 2003 now with over 200,000 miles / 330,000KM with yearly rustproof. They just keep on going!
I just commented that it's really funny that people try to compare Toyotas to KIAs and Chryslers. Sure the entertainment package isn't up to snuff, but you can actually drive the Sienna for 300K miles
Honestly I don’t mind the HDMI input. As a millennial with kids I have a plethora of DVDs and Blu-Rays I have acquired over the years to throw on for my kiddos. Don’t have to worry about cell service or downloads in the event we’re in the middle of no where. And no subscription service.
Important to note (that I think you mentioned in your other Sienna video) that the second row is not removable (at least, not easily), which is a HUGE oversight on Toyota's part.
I've had a caravan and I'm waiting on a '24 pacifica. The stow and go 2nd row is a huge selling point. I fit a full couch in my caravan. I couldn't have done that with the Sienna. The second row would have been in the way. Between that, and wait time of over a year for a new Sienna, I couldn't do it.
The Woodland edition’s extra ground clearance is good for a lot of steep driveways so you don’t scrape and also for if you attach a bike carrier to a rear hitch. (So the bikes aren’t so close to the ground during bumps). Seems like he really wanted a TRD edition instead of Woodland.
Come on Ryan, I thought you would be more resourceful. Toyota includes an HDMI input for the rear entertainment center so you can hook up a $30 Google Chromecast with Google TV dongle, etc and have all the apps you could ever need. There's no point in Toyota embedding entertainment software when they can't compete against the tech companies that actually update their OS. Short of buying each of your kids a tablet the rear entertainment center is a solid choice.
The good thing about the Sienna is that you can get it as an AWD which is needed in our mountainous area of north central Washington state, where we get 5-7 feet of snow every winter
@@ForgotToMentionThat Yep. We got a foot last night and it’s supposed to snow for the next 3 days too. We had to snow blow the driveway yesterday and today we’ll do it again when it lightens up as well as getting the tractor out to plow our private road
@@ForgotToMentionThat I agree. It doesn’t have enough ground clearance and Subaru’s AWD system is superior over any other vehicle on the road today. Other AWD vehicles are FWD biased, but the Subaru has symmetrical AWD. Subie’s can put up to 90% of the traction to the rear wheels if needed and they can put 100% of the traction on just One wheel if needed. Even our 4WD pickup doesn’t have as much traction as our Subaru’s, even though we put 260# of sand bags over the rear axle during the winter. Yesterday I had to go into the city (25 miles away) and the other AWD and 4WD vehicles were staying in the slow lane on the highway going 45-50mph, while I was in the fast lane driving 65mph and thought nothing of it. About 30% of the vehicles in our area are Subaru’s and we’re always in the fast lane passing everyone else.
Granted minivans are mostly produced for new families with kids, but for myself I’m looking for a stealth camper, something to carry a few bikes, and go camp with. I got to drive a Chrysler Pacifica and I absolutely hate their dial “shifter” and how hard it was to get multiple phones connected as well as the defrost at least on the one I had as a rental car barely worked. I personally would like to try the carnival and the odyssey but I’m a Toyota fan and have a rav4 and a tundra. So I’m pretty sure the only one I want is the Toyota. Personally all the “downsides” pointed out in this video don’t really matter to me. Toyota for life for me.
A company called Journey Off Road makes a 3.5 inch lift for the Sienna. My next build is gonna be an AWD Sienna with a lift. I'm gonna build an off road camper for my wife and I to travel in. My Subaru is too small to take us all camping. I'm gonna get an older one though. The AWD ones are expensive!
Hell, I used to drive gravel/dirt forest roads in my _lowered_ 2000 Legacy GT wagon (Whiteline suspension) and later '05 Forester 2.5XT (JDM STI WRX wagon springs). So, yeah, a minivan can fairly easily drive the average forest road.
Just purchased 24 woodland and will pick up in 4 days. Had FWD minivan to a wildwildwest road trip from southeast and got stuck in many landmarks. That is when I said, AWD from now on. So rare to find AWD and even harder on woodland edition. Yep others are not a competitions since non of them offer hybrid with AWD, Chrysler does either one or other way. Good review.
@mylestate I got my 2024 awd and loving it and yes I enjoyed both Ehybrid Pacifica and regular Pacifica for a rental all good, like you mentioned transmission is little weird but gets the job done for rental, not 100% sure if I want to own one yet.
Recently I tooky Kia Sedona van on some trails that were significantly more challenging than these. I picked up a bunch of trail rash even. So there are people who actually wheel their minivans.
The Sienna is also the only AWD with the ability to tow anything and it's a legit hybrid. We just out 245/75/17s on our 2023 and will be installing a Journeys Off Road lift kit on it for better ground clearance. Plus I think it looks the best out of its 'competition'.
Great review overall, but the tech comments leave out some important considerations that interested buyers should know and Ryan could probably validate the below since he has a 4Runner with the old infotainment. As an owner of two RAV4s (2021 Hybrid Limited and 2023 XLE Premium), one big downside of the new infotainment is that it loses the "home infotainment screen" which is the three-pronged home view you see in the Sienna review. I have no idea why they got rid of it, however, it is making me seek out the new Toyota models available who still have the old infotainment. The best/biggest feature is having four contacts one click away on your phone Favorites right there within easy reach. Also, as you compare with other minivans, this is a hands down mpg play, not a tech play. I have my phone for tech. I need mpg and space from my future minivan so it's a tradeoff I'd always make. If you're going to spend $40K+ on a product, just take the time to sit and spend 30 mins with the infotainment to make sure it works for you! I've compared all 4 and I think the old Toyota one is the best. Note: I'm not a Car Play or Android Auto user since I think it's distracting to have the "full phone" accessible while I drive, plus most cars still have a finicky wireless connection for car play and auto.
you need to just be a carplay user. it is limited function its not full phone, that makes no sense. the point of carplay from the root is that is makes you not text and drive
Beware the Pacifica Hybrid, I see lots of complaints and Consumer Reports says it’s literally the least reliable vehicle right now. The regular version is better though. The Sienna might look kinda outdated but the hybrid system at least gives it great gas mileage compared to the ~20 mpg the others get and it should be pretty reliable. I guess the money is going into better MPGs instead of new tech.
Consumer Reports is an opinion based publication that is skewed towards the opinions of their customers. There is nothing of actual data in their ratings. Consumer Reports is great if you need advice buying a toaster, but not a vehicle. Leave that up to the professionals in the field.
Ryan, Pardon the strong language but of all the Siennas that I haven't a hope in hell of finding on a Toyota dealer's lot these days, this may be my favourite. 🤣
I love my 2004 XLE Limited with all the bells and whistles (heated seats and adaptive cruise control - I know right??), but I REALLY want the hybrid sienna. We also have a 2005 Prius - the bullet proof powertrain of the Toyota hybrid system mixed with a minivan sounds like the pinnacle of economical family transporting.
I'm going to ask everytime, if lifted with bigger AT Trail tires on it, how capable is it? Similar to a non wilderness edition Outback? And how about the other brands? I want a minivan that's as capable off road as an outback (taking into account there will be issues with the long wheelbase)
If Toyota would have had the balls to do this trim correctly (7.8"-8.2" clearance, light plastic paneling for protection, hidden LEDs behind the grille) And maybe..a beefier coolant system/brakes that would also push that typical minivan towing capacity up past 4,000 pounds...giving them a significant edge over all the competition. In doing that, they would have justified charging what this trim level costs (and more) plus actually had the start of a legitimate "outdoorsy/trail" minivan, without looking too aggressive, that probably would have sold in large numbers. Maybe market a cot/mattress set designed to fit in the rear with folded seats. INSTEAD they have a pricey 'woodland' trim with less than 6.5" of ground clearance and almost no real differences anywhere else, which customers will see and sale numbers will reflect.
I have Wildpeak Trails on mine. They designed this tire for AWD crossovers. They are barely louder than the OEMs with 3 peak snow rating and great dirt road traction.
Fun fact: The 2004 to 2006 Sienna were real fulltime constant locked 50/50 AWD. After those years they went to a bias FWD AWD systems. Same with the 2010 to 2013 Highlander. 50/50 constant locked AWD. Idk why Toyota keeps doing this. Releasing fulltime constant locked AWD for only 2 or 4 years. Then they make it FWD bias AWD.
Great job, Ryan. I think what wasn't really underlined was that none of the Sienna's competitors have both hybrid AND AWD options, it's either one or the other (or neither, looking at you, Carnival and Odyssey). Since it is a Woodland edition, I kind of understand why some of the "plush" stuff wasn't abundant in the Sienna's interior, BUT was surprised there weren't more storage and "durable" bits and pieces (bigger knobs with ridges, rubber matted surfaces, etc.). But all in all, I'd pick this over the others: it's a Toyota, it's a hybrid, it has AWD, it has increased ground clearance, and did I mention that it's a Toyota?
The most disappointing thing about this minivan is that it does not have an updated infotainment system. I was under the impression that Toyota added the new system of all there 2024 offerings.
I wish they can add a 12V cigarette lighter socket next to each 110V outlet. 12V are excellent to run portable fridges and TVs. 110V consumes more battery because of the inverter.
toyota has been phoning it in and charging 20% over what they should considering the offering. People will still buy it because it's going to be the most reliable option with the best resale but it's far from the best vehicle in the segment.
The Grand Highlander isn’t larger than the Sienna. The Sienna is two inches longer, a tiny bit wider, and more space in basically all areas on the inside.
I’d rather have a Toyota with shitty radio that I can put 300,000 miles on it , Then this other cars with their fancy radios the only last a couple of years. And who wants more android apps collecting information while you’re traveling.
Are we imagining that no minivan owners have the technical expertise to hook an NVIDIA shield into an HDMI port and run ANYTHING to the second row entertainment screen? Also, how are we justifying putting a Chrysler Whatevertheycallit alongside the Odyssey and Sienna in comparisons? There are two real minivans and the other ones for people who haven't followed reliability ratings for the last quarter century. Finally, anyone who isn't using those stupid front screens only for Apple-Android playthrough is wasting their life. Car companies don't do useful content and navigation. Even my hopeless mother in law finally lost satellite radio.
A few disorganized thoughts. First I'm glad you reviewed it for what it is. Years ago I seen a review of a van where it felt like the reviewer was trying to borderline review it as a sports car. I thought that was goofy. So thanks for useing some common sense and fairness. As for the van itself, I hope people will be able to get AWD without the hybrid someday. I also hope the bump the power up abit. I'm not expecting a race car out of a van. But it seems to me that a van is heavy enough to have 270 - 300 HP. I'm not sure what torque numbers to ask for. We currently have a 2012 KIA van and the 2 things that would be nice to change on it is I would like an AWD system for bad weather and maybe slightly rough roads. Of course like you said, don't go rock crawling in a van. Also when its time to pass more power would be nice. Now in fairness I'm not sure if it came out of the factory like it is,or if the fact that it has over 200 thousand miles what the issue is. That and I sometimes miss my truck. But the van is more practical for the wife. One feature I really really like about our van though is having the seat controls right their on the door handy like. That in my view is genius.
I’m not proud… this would be a great car for roadtripping with four people and luggage. I’m fantasizing an LA to Yellowstone to PNW loop. Plus, a longboard would fit easily down the center.
Don't really understand the concern with onboard media: the driver is supposed to pay attention to the road, and everyone else is on their smartphones. I'm starting to see why road fatalities in the US aren't going down like they are in the rest of the developed world.
The interior still disappoints. It was dated in 2021 with its tiny screen, poor quality cameras, and lack of things like wireless CarPlay and is ancient now. I also am disappointed Toyota didn't give us 8 passenger options on top trims and a removable second row. Both make this less practical than other minivans. The advantages this van has in terms of MPG are major and cancel some of that out but Toyota could have made the perfect van had they matched Kia on tech and Honda on versatility. They have a quality modern infotainment system on the Grand Highlander. Why not put it here?
I think that the Toyota design and engineering teams missed the boat on making an outdoor-inspired and user-friendly minivan. It should have the ability to do light trails / less tech and more nature-inspired exterior and interior potential. If it had a mild lift of 1.5-2.5”, AT tires, and camping 🏕️ features I think people would flock to this. For $55k (after dealership fees) makes me wonder if it's aimed at those who live in the Suburbs of San Diego, and call driving to the local Trader Joe's or farmers market “off-roading”..
I need some help. I hope somebody can tell me the answer to this. I went to see a Toyota sienna at the Toyota dealership here in Texarkana.. They told me that the ones with all wheel drive do not have a spare tire. is this true or was the sales person giving me a hard time?
@@drivingsports I went through death Valley last year. I would hate to have a flat and have to wait for roadside service in death Valley where the temperature is horrendously high and extremely far from any kind of roadside help. I would have to have a spare tire before drove through death Valley again.
Go with this. Starts at 45k + tax vs $80k on X + tax. Also this gets 35 mpg which at $4.5/gal for 87 octane = 13c/mile for Gas vs 50c/kw for Tesla supercharger vs 300w/mile average = 17c/mile of supercharger cost. Also Sienna is over 50% more room, more than double the riding range and about 40% cheaper and also offers 8 seats vs 7 on X. It's kinda a no-brainer on the Toyota. 😮
The Subaru Outback/Ascent exist and pose a huge threat to this for the truly adventurous. Superior clearance/capability, ample space, car/SUV looks and feel and somehow cheaper while feeling more premium. This would kill as a mini-van for snowy regions.
Very true. The truth is in the sales numbers. Vans sold minuscule amounts compared to suvs. I’ll take my Outback wagon over this weak, outdated Sienna.
@@jimsomerville3924 I agree. Vans are superior in space and comfort. Unfortunately, Subaru is already highly established in this space (practical weekend warrior) for good reasons. They are making a killing selling Wilderness editions. Crosstreks and Outbacks are a dime dozen in trailheads and REI parking lots across the country. If we want to make adventure vans a thing (and I do) the benchmark is the Subaru Outback, not just other minivans.
You're reviewing a woodland edition not a luxury model. Overall the Sienna have the best fuel economy, sales and market value that's above its competitors
Your phone is your entertainment system. Car companies in this price bracket trying to make the entertainment better in their cars are just trying to distract you from how unreliable their cars are. You buy this car if you want to have a car for 20+ years that isn't going to break down and cost you thousands in maintenance costs every few months. You don't buy this car for luxury. The car is meant to be scratched up and used - not treated like a museum. This is why they put plastic everywhere. Drinks will be spilled, mud will be on the floor, and food crumbs will be in the cup holders - and yet you don't have to worry about the material being ruined. I would rather they didn't put in an entertainment system at all.
Man when we were looking for a van in 2018, Toyota electronics were old, strange to see they haven't improved in 2023. I just wish Honda had an AWD option. Someone needs to make a nice EV van. BTW - Nice review as usual. Maybe I should try my Odyssey on these kind of roads.
@@Doc1855just depends on the market. Mid size sedans or suvs with lots of competitors sure but there are only what 3-4 minivans one can choose from? how many of those are hybrid with 36mpg etc
@@chibbyylol I agree. I simply won’t pay more for a vehicle than what I paid for my first house in 96 and it was a nice 3 bedroom 2 bath house on 1/3 of an acre. I paid $55K for it. I don’t think Any average vehicle is worth $50K or more, We’ve bought an Outback 2 years ago and last year we bought a Forester Touring, so in 2 years we’ve shelled out $65K for 2 new vehicles, but my wife had been driving her Camry for 18 years and I’d been driving my Rav 4WD for 13 years. We’ll keep our Subie’s for at least 15 years. I’ve put only 5K on my Forester in a year, so it’ll probably be the last vehicle I’ll ever own
I am a dad looking for minivan for weekend getaways I was curious to know what woodland trim offers, beside knowing it has 18 inch wheels, there is no more good information. This dude reviews as if I'm in the market for sports car or off-roader. No useful details are given
The thing I hate about this van is that it JUST WORKS and WORKS and WORKS. Its just to practical and efficient. Its just boring. Imagine a vehicle that does everything and you never have mechanical issues with! Boring!!
Dude sounds so upset about talking about the interior as if the mini van is luxury. Who needs a mini van and wants it to be luxury? Most people have kids that are going to mess it up. Stop sounding so down about what its made with it does every essential function to hold a family comfortably for trips and reliability
I think that if some manufacturer made an AWD off-road minivan with ground clearance and approach and departure angles comparable to off-road oriented crossovers, people would buy them to use as backcountry camper vans.
I’m sure they would, but I suppose that’s what the Regular SUVs are used for.
I was thinking the same thing when I clicked on this....I agree.
You can build one for half the price.
@@Doc1855SUVs for the masses are just minivans without the embarrassment of having a minivan. I don't think people should be embarrassed to have them. It has its own utility that SUVs don't have.
@@apocalypse487 - Agree. I am a 2 door sports car guy, never ever wanted a van but after trying Hond Pilot, CX90 and a few others, we ended up with Odyssey van as kids loved the seating capacity. I have had it for 5+ yrs and really like it. For record have M3 and MYP but van is still more comfy and enjoyable to drive.
Reliable. Awd hybrid, none of the competition actual is competition. Great honest video as always
It's built on top of a Prius power train which is practically bulletproof. Should be a 400k miles vehicle
I love how people try to compare Toyotas to KIAs and Chryslers. The 'infotainment' package might not be the best, but it's important because you are going to need to occupy yourself while waiting for a tow truck in Pacifica with 40K miles or your KIA with 65K miles on it. Meanwhile you'll get 200K mostly problem-free miles in a Sienna.
I own that exactly van. 23 Woodland Sienna.
Suspension is out of the world. The lack of details on interior is well reflect in ALL the Suspension, brakes, reliability.....
I did almost 40 hwy mpg and city 33 mpg.
Please tell me what van ever created. It's better ?
Hands down. Who needs a cinema inside the truck when you have windows and beautiful landscapes.
Does it come with sports tuned suspension like XSE does ?
Another thing about larger wheels...it limits your winter tire options. I think Toyota believes tech in car is overrated for the average customer and the media/reviewers over hypes it....which I think is true.
I don’t think that tracks since every all-new Toyota in the past two years has massive upgrades in terms of tech.
Totally agree, but see my comment - I think if you're spending this much on a car, just sit and try out the old/existing system in this car and one of the Toyotas with the new one and you'll miss the home screen too much. I have no idea why they got rid of it
The tech is a massive jump from the previous gen Sienna 😀. All I need is Apple CarPlay. With my Proclip mount and short charge cable it’s great.
I love ours. Skip the media package and 2 iPads are much better.
All weather tires are really making snow tires obsolete. AT tires are a different story though. I'd definitely want 17s for an offroad Sienna which I had for years on my lifted 2006 Sienna
I used to hate minivans, then I had a kid, they are definitely very family friendly (as seen when visiting in-laws and using rentals). If I could afford one I'd definitely get one, and an AWD Sienna would definitely be at the top of my list, mainly because of the AWD and Toyotas reputation for reliability.
Minivans are great for families. You get a crap ton of trunk space for all kinds of needs, you get a reclining back seat that can borderline become a bed, and it's more space efficient and gas efficient compared to a truck or a full size suv.
95% of people with a truck(kids or not) would be better served with a van, or even a small hatchback
I have a 2014 Sienna xle with 205k miles. No leaks and mostly original. Had a Chrysler Van at one of my old jobs. 6 different trannys and 3 engines at 150k miles. Yeah, sometimes other vans may have something’s better but I would rather have a van that last.
2011 sienna 600,000kms and still running strong 😊😊
Toyota usually would put a "Top Model" out just before the full new exterior re-design so I am not surprised. That been said, I am still driving a well maintained 2004 Sienna LE that I picked up new in 2003 now with over 200,000 miles / 330,000KM with yearly rustproof. They just keep on going!
I just commented that it's really funny that people try to compare Toyotas to KIAs and Chryslers. Sure the entertainment package isn't up to snuff, but you can actually drive the Sienna for 300K miles
@@JohnPrinzo300k is easily, my aunt got her sienna to 370k no problem until she was rear ended and totalled
Honestly I don’t mind the HDMI input. As a millennial with kids I have a plethora of DVDs and Blu-Rays I have acquired over the years to throw on for my kiddos. Don’t have to worry about cell service or downloads in the event we’re in the middle of no where. And no subscription service.
Important to note (that I think you mentioned in your other Sienna video) that the second row is not removable (at least, not easily), which is a HUGE oversight on Toyota's part.
only minivan with airbags in 2nd row.
Totally agree. Deal killer for me.
I was going to ask this question, the second row should be easy to remove. This van could be a great "sleep in" camping van.
I've had a caravan and I'm waiting on a '24 pacifica. The stow and go 2nd row is a huge selling point. I fit a full couch in my caravan. I couldn't have done that with the Sienna. The second row would have been in the way. Between that, and wait time of over a year for a new Sienna, I couldn't do it.
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I still don't understand why Honda doesn't make an AWD Odyssey. Trail roads aside, the extra traction in winter would be tremendous.
The Woodland edition’s extra ground clearance is good for a lot of steep driveways so you don’t scrape and also for if you attach a bike carrier to a rear hitch. (So the bikes aren’t so close to the ground during bumps).
Seems like he really wanted a TRD edition instead of Woodland.
My odyssey scrapes our steep driveway, and even with winter tires, struggles at times in the winter.
Yeah, off road tires, in addition to being dumb-looking on a minivan, would kill the fuel economy
It’s only an extra half inch ground clearance FYI, but there is a third-party lift kit 2 to 3 inches for 600 bucks FYI
lol, it is great for driveways and parking lots for sure, an every 0.5” helps
Come on Ryan, I thought you would be more resourceful. Toyota includes an HDMI input for the rear entertainment center so you can hook up a $30 Google Chromecast with Google TV dongle, etc and have all the apps you could ever need. There's no point in Toyota embedding entertainment software when they can't compete against the tech companies that actually update their OS. Short of buying each of your kids a tablet the rear entertainment center is a solid choice.
The good thing about the Sienna is that you can get it as an AWD which is needed in our mountainous area of north central Washington state, where we get 5-7 feet of snow every winter
5-7 feet? Nice!!!
@@ForgotToMentionThat Yep.
We got a foot last night and it’s supposed to snow for the next 3 days too.
We had to snow blow the driveway yesterday and today we’ll do it again when it lightens up as well as getting the tractor out to plow our private road
@@Doc1855 I have the AWD version of this van, but I don’t think I would put much faith in it in that kind of snow.
@@ForgotToMentionThat I agree.
It doesn’t have enough ground clearance and Subaru’s AWD system is superior over any other vehicle on the road today.
Other AWD vehicles are FWD biased, but the Subaru has symmetrical AWD. Subie’s can put up to 90% of the traction to the rear wheels if needed and they can put 100% of the traction on just One wheel if needed.
Even our 4WD pickup doesn’t have as much traction as our Subaru’s, even though we put 260# of sand bags over the rear axle during the winter.
Yesterday I had to go into the city (25 miles away) and the other AWD and 4WD vehicles were staying in the slow lane on the highway going 45-50mph, while I was in the fast lane driving 65mph and thought nothing of it.
About 30% of the vehicles in our area are Subaru’s and we’re always in the fast lane passing everyone else.
@@Doc1855 all wheel drive doesn't help you stop any quicker in slick conditions.
Granted minivans are mostly produced for new families with kids, but for myself I’m looking for a stealth camper, something to carry a few bikes, and go camp with. I got to drive a Chrysler Pacifica and I absolutely hate their dial “shifter” and how hard it was to get multiple phones connected as well as the defrost at least on the one I had as a rental car barely worked. I personally would like to try the carnival and the odyssey but I’m a Toyota fan and have a rav4 and a tundra. So I’m pretty sure the only one I want is the Toyota. Personally all the “downsides” pointed out in this video don’t really matter to me.
Toyota for life for me.
1:50 I'm thrilled with his scathing criticisms presented with a casual and disciplined tone.
A company called Journey Off Road makes a 3.5 inch lift for the Sienna. My next build is gonna be an AWD Sienna with a lift. I'm gonna build an off road camper for my wife and I to travel in. My Subaru is too small to take us all camping. I'm gonna get an older one though. The AWD ones are expensive!
Hell, I used to drive gravel/dirt forest roads in my _lowered_ 2000 Legacy GT wagon (Whiteline suspension) and later '05 Forester 2.5XT (JDM STI WRX wagon springs).
So, yeah, a minivan can fairly easily drive the average forest road.
Just purchased 24 woodland and will pick up in 4 days. Had FWD minivan to a wildwildwest road trip from southeast and got stuck in many landmarks.
That is when I said, AWD from now on. So rare to find AWD and even harder on woodland edition. Yep others are not a competitions since non of them offer hybrid with AWD, Chrysler does either one or other way. Good review.
And the Pacifica is super nice, but the transmission issues are causing people to get rid of them really early in their lifespan.
@mylestate I got my 2024 awd and loving it and yes I enjoyed both Ehybrid Pacifica and regular Pacifica for a rental all good, like you mentioned transmission is little weird but gets the job done for rental, not 100% sure if I want to own one yet.
You missed a huge point on this Woodland ed. This van can tow a Uhaul and still getting 30 mpg.
when you are trying to dis credit it for “feeling like a family car”, all credibility lost, what do you think it is? Other than a family car?
As someone else said, people buy minivans not because they want to, but rather because they have to. That said, nice presentation overall.
Recently I tooky Kia Sedona van on some trails that were significantly more challenging than these. I picked up a bunch of trail rash even. So there are people who actually wheel their minivans.
Very happy with vans with all wheel drive 🧘🏼♀️🧘🏻🧘🏿♂️
The Sienna is also the only AWD with the ability to tow anything and it's a legit hybrid. We just out 245/75/17s on our 2023 and will be installing a Journeys Off Road lift kit on it for better ground clearance. Plus I think it looks the best out of its 'competition'.
What are you towing? A motorcycle? Lol
@@UA-camuser1aa it can tow up to 3500lbs. I've seen people tow campers, boats, and trailers.
@@SkylarsRnD lol that sounds like a terrible idea. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.
The non hybrid Pacifica can have AWD and is rated to tow 3600 lbs.
@@davidhypes5228 yes but then it's not a hybrid lol
Great review overall, but the tech comments leave out some important considerations that interested buyers should know and Ryan could probably validate the below since he has a 4Runner with the old infotainment.
As an owner of two RAV4s (2021 Hybrid Limited and 2023 XLE Premium), one big downside of the new infotainment is that it loses the "home infotainment screen" which is the three-pronged home view you see in the Sienna review. I have no idea why they got rid of it, however, it is making me seek out the new Toyota models available who still have the old infotainment. The best/biggest feature is having four contacts one click away on your phone Favorites right there within easy reach.
Also, as you compare with other minivans, this is a hands down mpg play, not a tech play. I have my phone for tech. I need mpg and space from my future minivan so it's a tradeoff I'd always make.
If you're going to spend $40K+ on a product, just take the time to sit and spend 30 mins with the infotainment to make sure it works for you! I've compared all 4 and I think the old Toyota one is the best. Note: I'm not a Car Play or Android Auto user since I think it's distracting to have the "full phone" accessible while I drive, plus most cars still have a finicky wireless connection for car play and auto.
you need to just be a carplay user. it is limited function its not full phone, that makes no sense. the point of carplay from the root is that is makes you not text and drive
I wish he'd do a mild AWD test beyond going up that final hill, for non-SUV/trucks.
Beware the Pacifica Hybrid, I see lots of complaints and Consumer Reports says it’s literally the least reliable vehicle right now. The regular version is better though. The Sienna might look kinda outdated but the hybrid system at least gives it great gas mileage compared to the ~20 mpg the others get and it should be pretty reliable. I guess the money is going into better MPGs instead of new tech.
My 2018 Honda still gives me 25 combined. Highway alone I can get easy 28-29.
Consumer Reports is an opinion based publication that is skewed towards the opinions of their customers. There is nothing of actual data in their ratings. Consumer Reports is great if you need advice buying a toaster, but not a vehicle. Leave that up to the professionals in the field.
Ryan, Pardon the strong language but of all the Siennas that I haven't a hope in hell of finding on a Toyota dealer's lot these days, this may be my favourite. 🤣
What makes them so difficult to find?
Sell like hot cakes - I think manufacturers are limiting supply on purpose to drive higher margins
@@kewlraza Let's wait and see whether they can build their new 100% Hybrid Camry lineup fast enough to meet demand.
@@rightlanehog3151 you will see a boat load of them on the rental car lots first. Funny how that happens.
I love my 2004 XLE Limited with all the bells and whistles (heated seats and adaptive cruise control - I know right??), but I REALLY want the hybrid sienna. We also have a 2005 Prius - the bullet proof powertrain of the Toyota hybrid system mixed with a minivan sounds like the pinnacle of economical family transporting.
@6:05 as you can see an old 07-12 toyota tundra and 93-99 camry are still on the road today.
I'm going to ask everytime, if lifted with bigger AT Trail tires on it, how capable is it? Similar to a non wilderness edition Outback? And how about the other brands? I want a minivan that's as capable off road as an outback (taking into account there will be issues with the long wheelbase)
I wish they could increase the towing capacity to 6000lbs on them like the grand hylander
the grand highlander is not larger than a sienna. maybe taller. but there's more space in the sienna
Far more.
If Toyota would have had the balls to do this trim correctly (7.8"-8.2" clearance, light plastic paneling for protection, hidden LEDs behind the grille)
And maybe..a beefier coolant system/brakes that would also push that typical minivan towing capacity up past 4,000 pounds...giving them a significant edge over all the competition.
In doing that, they would have justified charging what this trim level costs (and more) plus actually had the start of a legitimate "outdoorsy/trail" minivan, without looking too aggressive, that probably would have sold in large numbers.
Maybe market a cot/mattress set designed to fit in the rear with folded seats.
INSTEAD they have a pricey 'woodland' trim with less than 6.5" of ground clearance and almost no real differences anywhere else, which customers will see and sale numbers will reflect.
my dream mini van 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼
Add a 2” lift, A/Ts, and this thing is golden 😅
I wish they still made a lifted AWD GMC Safari for just passengers. It would satisfy carrying people and potential apocalypse vehicle lol
This reviews and the Grand Higlander is the best Christmas present ever.
这车不错，我去保养汉兰达的时候试驾过。
Hmmm.. this video reeks of honesty. 😊👍 Thank you!
You can pay for good quality under the hood or good quality in the interior. Choose your battle.
You can’t put AT tires on a minivan. The drone from the tire noise would be so bad. Those things are giant resonance boxes.
I have Wildpeak Trails on mine. They designed this tire for AWD crossovers. They are barely louder than the OEMs with 3 peak snow rating and great dirt road traction.
I have Kenda Klever AT2s on my Kia Sedona. They are definitely loud, but not unbearably so.
Michelin XLT’s Fantastic compromise. I have them on my 2021 Land Cruiser and I take it everywhere.
THANKYOU... FOR YOUR HUMOR...
Fun fact:
The 2004 to 2006 Sienna were real fulltime constant locked 50/50 AWD.
After those years they went to a bias FWD AWD systems.
Same with the 2010 to 2013 Highlander. 50/50 constant locked AWD.
Idk why Toyota keeps doing this. Releasing fulltime constant locked AWD for only 2 or 4 years. Then they make it FWD bias AWD.
Great job, Ryan. I think what wasn't really underlined was that none of the Sienna's competitors have both hybrid AND AWD options, it's either one or the other (or neither, looking at you, Carnival and Odyssey). Since it is a Woodland edition, I kind of understand why some of the "plush" stuff wasn't abundant in the Sienna's interior, BUT was surprised there weren't more storage and "durable" bits and pieces (bigger knobs with ridges, rubber matted surfaces, etc.). But all in all, I'd pick this over the others: it's a Toyota, it's a hybrid, it has AWD, it has increased ground clearance, and did I mention that it's a Toyota?
The most disappointing thing about this minivan is that it does not have an updated infotainment system. I was under the impression that Toyota added the new system of all there 2024 offerings.
Please explain to us what new materials Toyota is using in other cars. Super curious if it's more than texture and style changes.
Thank you for your honest review
Such an overbite for Honda and Kia to not offer awd.
I wish they can add a 12V cigarette lighter socket next to each 110V outlet. 12V are excellent to run portable fridges and TVs. 110V consumes more battery because of the inverter.
"Hey there's Mount Rainier!"
Where?
Wow, that view at 15:49 Toyota couldn’t make a better add
Very nice shots.
this machine makes more practical sense than the rav4
I'm not limiting my life, but if I can get 2017 model I will appreciate it as I can't afford any for now
toyota has been phoning it in and charging 20% over what they should considering the offering. People will still buy it because it's going to be the most reliable option with the best resale but it's far from the best vehicle in the segment.
I sure wish Toyota would take some inspiration from what Hyundai and KIA are designing these days. I want Toyota reliability with some better designs!
The Grand Highlander isn’t larger than the Sienna. The Sienna is two inches longer, a tiny bit wider, and more space in basically all areas on the inside.
They phoned this one in.
12:38 - a man's excitement driving an SUV without the wife or kids around lol
@drivingsports Hi, Are you getting 35 MPH with woodland edition?
Carplay via cable that would be literally a deal breaker for me
I want to drive to this place in the video where is it at in Washington state
My 2020 tacoma sr5 with bs cloth seats no options shitty radio and power train but it's taken every besting I've put it through.
I’d rather have a Toyota with shitty radio that I can put 300,000 miles on it , Then this other cars with their fancy radios the only last a couple of years. And who wants more android apps collecting information while you’re traveling.
Are we imagining that no minivan owners have the technical expertise to hook an NVIDIA shield into an HDMI port and run ANYTHING to the second row entertainment screen? Also, how are we justifying putting a Chrysler Whatevertheycallit alongside the Odyssey and Sienna in comparisons? There are two real minivans and the other ones for people who haven't followed reliability ratings for the last quarter century.
Finally, anyone who isn't using those stupid front screens only for Apple-Android playthrough is wasting their life. Car companies don't do useful content and navigation. Even my hopeless mother in law finally lost satellite radio.
I would like to see more off-road videos with the sienna
A few disorganized thoughts. First I'm glad you reviewed it for what it is. Years ago I seen a review of a van where it felt like the reviewer was trying to borderline review it as a sports car. I thought that was goofy. So thanks for useing some common sense and fairness. As for the van itself, I hope people will be able to get AWD without the hybrid someday. I also hope the bump the power up abit. I'm not expecting a race car out of a van. But it seems to me that a van is heavy enough to have 270 - 300 HP. I'm not sure what torque numbers to ask for. We currently have a 2012 KIA van and the 2 things that would be nice to change on it is I would like an AWD system for bad weather and maybe slightly rough roads. Of course like you said, don't go rock crawling in a van. Also when its time to pass more power would be nice. Now in fairness I'm not sure if it came out of the factory like it is,or if the fact that it has over 200 thousand miles what the issue is. That and I sometimes miss my truck. But the van is more practical for the wife. One feature I really really like about our van though is having the seat controls right their on the door handy like. That in my view is genius.
Is this minivan have spear tires? The 2022 Toyota Sienna LE doesn't have spear tire.
I’m not proud… this would be a great car for roadtripping with four people and luggage. I’m fantasizing an LA to Yellowstone to PNW loop. Plus, a longboard would fit easily down the center.
used the toyota inventory website to find my platinum in Washington state
Going to wait until they release the '25's. I'm sure they will have some good updates on them. For now, we'll keep our '20 Palisade.
How do you do a car review and not know the torque figures?
15:40 wow! kia sportage had a hard time climbing that light climb.
Don't really understand the concern with onboard media: the driver is supposed to pay attention to the road, and everyone else is on their smartphones. I'm starting to see why road fatalities in the US aren't going down like they are in the rest of the developed world.
The interior still disappoints. It was dated in 2021 with its tiny screen, poor quality cameras, and lack of things like wireless CarPlay and is ancient now. I also am disappointed Toyota didn't give us 8 passenger options on top trims and a removable second row. Both make this less practical than other minivans. The advantages this van has in terms of MPG are major and cancel some of that out but Toyota could have made the perfect van had they matched Kia on tech and Honda on versatility. They have a quality modern infotainment system on the Grand Highlander. Why not put it here?
Can you buy this and have it come our ruby red out of factory?
I think that the Toyota design and engineering teams missed the boat on making an outdoor-inspired and user-friendly minivan. It should have the ability to do light trails / less tech and more nature-inspired exterior and interior potential. If it had a mild lift of 1.5-2.5”, AT tires, and camping 🏕️ features I think people would flock to this. For $55k (after dealership fees) makes me wonder if it's aimed at those who live in the Suburbs of San Diego, and call driving to the local Trader Joe's or farmers market “off-roading”..
Don’t care about the Honda or Kia they can’t match the reliability of the Toyota and mpg
Agreed!
will toyota make GR Sienna then...?
nice content
I need some help. I hope somebody can tell me the answer to this. I went to see a Toyota sienna at the Toyota dealership here in Texarkana.. They told me that the ones with all wheel drive do not have a spare tire. is this true or was the sales person giving me a hard time?
Most hybrids don’t have spare tires. No room. Fix a flat kits and roadside service.
@@drivingsports I went through death Valley last year. I would hate to have a flat and have to wait for roadside service in death Valley where the temperature is horrendously high and extremely far from any kind of roadside help. I would have to have a spare tire before drove through death Valley again.
@@docpearson Yeah I wouldn’t do DV without a spare.
What a view!!!
i'm having a really tough time deciding between this & the tesla model X
Go with this. Starts at 45k + tax vs $80k on X + tax. Also this gets 35 mpg which at $4.5/gal for 87 octane = 13c/mile for Gas vs 50c/kw for Tesla supercharger vs 300w/mile average = 17c/mile of supercharger cost. Also Sienna is over 50% more room, more than double the riding range and about 40% cheaper and also offers 8 seats vs 7 on X. It's kinda a no-brainer on the Toyota. 😮
The Subaru Outback/Ascent exist and pose a huge threat to this for the truly adventurous. Superior clearance/capability, ample space, car/SUV looks and feel and somehow cheaper while feeling more premium. This would kill as a mini-van for snowy regions.
Vans have vastly more space and more comfortable seating.
no comparison and the Sub is poor on the mpg and the 20 year old mechanics.
Very true. The truth is in the sales numbers. Vans sold minuscule amounts compared to suvs. I’ll take my Outback wagon over this weak, outdated Sienna.
@@jimsomerville3924 I agree. Vans are superior in space and comfort. Unfortunately, Subaru is already highly established in this space (practical weekend warrior) for good reasons. They are making a killing selling Wilderness editions. Crosstreks and Outbacks are a dime dozen in trailheads and REI parking lots across the country.
If we want to make adventure vans a thing (and I do) the benchmark is the Subaru Outback, not just other minivans.
All new Kia Carnival? It came out over 2 years ago.
Where is the mountain
Woodland means camping. Second row seats should easily pop out. Too bad Subaru does not make a van.
Love the snark 😂
You're reviewing a woodland edition not a luxury model. Overall the Sienna have the best fuel economy, sales and market value that's above its competitors
Your phone is your entertainment system. Car companies in this price bracket trying to make the entertainment better in their cars are just trying to distract you from how unreliable their cars are. You buy this car if you want to have a car for 20+ years that isn't going to break down and cost you thousands in maintenance costs every few months. You don't buy this car for luxury. The car is meant to be scratched up and used - not treated like a museum. This is why they put plastic everywhere. Drinks will be spilled, mud will be on the floor, and food crumbs will be in the cup holders - and yet you don't have to worry about the material being ruined. I would rather they didn't put in an entertainment system at all.
So sad that Toyota is cheaping out... here in 2024!
We need a Delica!
😂 not a chance. Mitsubishi is on life support already. The Delica would send them to the grave.
Man when we were looking for a van in 2018, Toyota electronics were old, strange to see they haven't improved in 2023. I just wish Honda had an AWD option. Someone needs to make a nice EV van. BTW - Nice review as usual. Maybe I should try my Odyssey on these kind of roads.
The only part worth watching: 15:30 - 15:50.
I will steer well clear of these things until they pass the IIHS tests for rear passengers, which is the whole reason you would buy a minivan!
Have you checked the results from every other vehicle?
The vehicle is great but don't scream $50k, unfortunately is common today of Toyota selling over-priced vehicles
Yeah like so many other automakers, they’re pricing themselves out of the market.
@@Doc1855 wait list for a sienna is 6 months they're doing ok
@@tonychau1983 We wouldn’t pay that price
@@Doc1855just depends on the market. Mid size sedans or suvs with lots of competitors sure but there are only what 3-4 minivans one can choose from? how many of those are hybrid with 36mpg etc
@@chibbyylol I agree.
I simply won’t pay more for a vehicle than what I paid for my first house in 96 and it was a nice 3 bedroom 2 bath house on 1/3 of an acre.
I paid $55K for it.
I don’t think Any average vehicle is worth $50K or more,
We’ve bought an Outback 2 years ago and last year we bought a Forester Touring, so in 2 years we’ve shelled out $65K for 2 new vehicles, but my wife had been driving her Camry for 18 years and I’d been driving my Rav 4WD for 13 years.
We’ll keep our Subie’s for at least 15 years.
I’ve put only 5K on my Forester in a year, so it’ll probably be the last vehicle I’ll ever own
I am a dad looking for minivan for weekend getaways I was curious to know what woodland trim offers, beside knowing it has 18 inch wheels, there is no more good information. This dude reviews as if I'm in the market for sports car or off-roader.
No useful details are given
The thing I hate about this van is that it JUST WORKS and WORKS and WORKS. Its just to practical and efficient. Its just boring. Imagine a vehicle that does everything and you never have mechanical issues with! Boring!!
Dude sounds so upset about talking about the interior as if the mini van is luxury. Who needs a mini van and wants it to be luxury? Most people have kids that are going to mess it up. Stop sounding so down about what its made with it does every essential function to hold a family comfortably for trips and reliability
the wireless charger never works right...