A Pro Mixing Tip For Cleaner, Clearer Vocals
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Here's a vocal mixing technique used by all the pros: reverb ducking! Use the dry vocal as a sidechain to duck the reverb's volume - so the dry signal pokes through, and the reverb swells up in the gaps.
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Reverb shaper is pretty sick, ya'll did a great job on it.
Thanks - we spent a long time fine-tuning it! Great to know it was worth it :)
@@Cableguys when is delay shaper coming out?
"Here's a dry vocal"
*shows a super autotuned, compressed and equalized performance...*
First thing I noticed too.. that's not dry at all.. the autotune was so jarring
I guess he means “dry compared to reverb”
He pretty clearly meant "without reverb." He didn't say it was raw
Dry vocals my ass lol
Good-guy-Cable-Guys. Showing how to do it with their plug-in, but also how to do it with Ableton built-in plug-ins.
“Some plug-ins”, haha good stuff y’all! Hoping for delay shaper :)
They know they just made a top tier plugin, can rightfully flex 💪
gotta appreciate how you’ll show us how to do this in and out of shaperbox - shows how much you trust your plug-in’s effectivity, and as a shaperbox user i can vouch for it as well
just create a aux/bus/send, put a reverb on it, put a sidechain compressor after, then send the vocal as the sidechain trigger, its been a thing forever
Use pre-delay. Helps keep reverb from clashing with vocal too
Idk, Ive never liked using pre-delay. Maybe just a little.
But maybe I use reverbs in a different way, than shown here, where its used as an effect, not a tonal tool. Like, here it is meant to be separate, but the mixes Ive done, they call for a use where obvious separation isn't the goal, in fact, the opposite.
@@rist98 Yeah in this case we're discussing placing the sound within a space, like a room, hall, cathedral ect to give a sense of sound staging and depth. Pre-delay will give you that environment while keeping the vocal the focal point.
What you're talking about is using it as an FX which would take the center stage.
@@JakeLewisRealYes. I also use it for the purpose.
Pre-delay offsets the reverb start time, putting 'space' between the dry and reverb signals. This can give separation and clarity, and change perceived distance, but does not affect the reverb's volume, so the reverb may still 'cloud' the voice depending on the source and reverb size. Using the dry signal to duck the reverb will help the voice cut through, since the reverb's volume is automatically turned down by the voice's dynamics.
@@Cableguys Yes, you're correct my friend!
Unless you're going for a stylized effect, if the volume of your reverb is loud enough to cloud the source even with pre-delay, then your reverb is probably too loud!
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Reverb setting is way too wet in the first place.
Also, side chaining and double tracking...
Can you use this to sidechain reverb from the Valhalla plugins?
But the reverb in your plugin sucks ass that's the problem. It's not capitol chambers
Cleaner, Clearer Vocals
Howbout
Good old fashioned enunciation
Or
Is that not a thing anymore.
Heres an idea, MAKE THE SINGER ANNUNCIATE.
Side chaining reverb! I do this on my solo bass pieces, to keep things nice and crisp while still having that extra space...
I suggest you start with a vocalist that actually opens their mouth and ENUNciates instead of INDIE-ciating
He is just telling us to compress the reverbe a little bit
I cant afford shaperbox but its the best plugin ever :(
Is it mean to put reverb and compression on one track and the vocal on other track and do sidechain compression..😮
I'd just tell the vocalist to go again , but with some actual diction instead of mumbling. hey presto: clear vocal! then you can do what you want with reverb when the performance is good!
also that wasn't a dry vocal, get rid of the compression and that would help too.
Can you do some tutorials doing this with vintage analog racks? Would be really cool. Like your stuff very informative.
At this point, reverb on vocals are kinda boring
That's way too much reverb.
Why not just use predelay? 🤔
Which DAW do you use??
the vocal is not clean) autotuned
Nice ducking, shame about the auto-tune
Teach me how to do it in fl studio please sir 🙏
Yeah that’s so much better. Noted
That's not a dry vocal haha.
Do u still need to send to a bus then ?
Cool method 🔥
Or turn it down a tad, maybe?
you just sold me on SB
One of the first mixing tips ive gotten here where my ear can actually hear the difference lol
Just awesome, there’s so much I haven’t used SB for yet but there’s already so much to explore with it !
very nice
Straight up awesome yo
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Awesome! Thanks a lot 🎉🎉🎉
is this the same as pre-delay? i always turned up the timing of pre-delay to duck verb from a vocal but if it’s different can someone explain that?
Similar concept, actually. I was told that the pre-delay is important because it influences the illusion of distance between the sound source and the confines of the space causing the reflections. In other words, it delays the start of the reverb so that the initial transient comes through, thus making the space seem bigger or longer because the reverberant parts take longer to sound.
However, the concept being shown in this video differs by pulling down the volume of the reverb itself when it detects transients in the source audio regardless of however the pre-delay is set.
No, they're not the same. Pre-delay offsets the reverb start time, putting 'space' between the dry and reverb signals. This can give separation and clarity, and change perceived distance, but does not affect the reverb's volume, so the reverb may still 'cloud' the voice depending on the source and reverb size. Using the dry signal to duck the reverb will help the voice cut through, since the reverb's volume is automatically turned down by the voice's dynamics. Hope this helps!
@@eyotawakishwit8697 ahh okay, i understand the difference. thank you for your explanation!
@@Cableguys okay i see, i understand that more now. thank you so much for the clarification!
Beautiful vocals from alice
Is there a tutorial somewhere on how to set this up in Shaperbox?
Yes, see here: ua-cam.com/video/yd1CHQnyI7A/v-deo.html
My autocorrect knows me too well to comment on ducking
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One of my favorite techniques! Same with delay 👏
Dry vocals: no reverb added, but definitely post autotune, etc.
That dry vocals was not dry. Regardless thanks for the info!
I don’t think I ever watch a Cableguys short without learning something new
The solution is predelay, utilizing early and late reflections
Sidechaining the reveb definitely sounded better but personally I think a simpler and more effective fix was simply to use less of the reverb. Even with the sidechain it feels very washed out
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Sidechaining reverb is elite for clean vox
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brilliant as the problem i was having with reverbs on my vocals i will use this to fix it
It’s clean💯
Awesome!
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First off, your problem with that example is that you have TOO MUCH Reverb on the vocal. Turn down the reverb. Second off, your steps were not necessary because of your first problem..... TOO MUCH REVERB , turn down the reverb and your vocal will be much clearer and defined.
Clean AF
Can u explain this a little better
Reverb ducking is shown in more detail here: ua-cam.com/video/yd1CHQnyI7A/v-deo.html