This is the first of actually a couple.videos I recorded in the Harz! The other should be out later this hear, but say tuned for the next video where I discuss the trains of Switzerland (in Switzerland!!!)
My silly transit dream would to connect the Halberstadt Trams on the other side if the Harz to the HSB too. Then you could take a tram all the way from Halberstadt to Nordhausen. Its such a silly thing that it would be amazing.
@TFTSB Hurray! I'd recommend addressing the question on which mode suits which kind of city in more detail. This is what goes wrong the most in transit as I speak.
I live in a village of 70. But being able to get to the nearest city of ten thousand, 20 kilometers away, by bus, without starting on Saturday at 5 in the morning, and reaching the city on monday at 10 in the evening, would be nice. But hey, im in austria, so this is a non-viennese daring to get ideas beyond his station.
Bahn doesn't mean railway, it just means lane/way. Autobahn means car lane/way, tough the English world would be highway. I do not see the inconsistency
It's quite consistent compared to some other places. U Bahns are always called U Bahns and always use the logo with the white U on a blue square, S Bahns are always called S Bahn and use the white S on a green circle, Strassenbahn is always called Strassenbahn etc. In the UK, London has 2 U Bahn networks. One is called the "underground" and the other is called the "Docklands light rail", despite actually being an automated metro. London also has an S Bahn network called "London Overground" and another one called "the Elizabeth line", which in Germany would actually count as 5 lines. Newcastle has the "metro", Glasgow has the "subway" and Liverpool has the "Merseyrail" and all these networks have different logos. The tram in Manchester is called "metrolink". The one in Birmingham is called "metro", despite being a tram. In Nottingham, it's called "NET" and in Sheffield, it's called "supertram". These networks also all have different logos. Trains and buses in Germany even accept the same tickets. If you buy a single ticket on a bus in a German city, it's also still valid if you then get on an U Bahn or tram or even regional trains within the area the ticket covers until it expires.
@lazrseagull54 not entirely true, here in the cologne/bonn region we have the Stadtbahn (which is indeed different from both the S-Bahn and Straßenbahn) but it uses the U logo and also goes, at least, partially underground... It's confusing lol
Used to live in a town of a 1000 people with only a horrible hourly "bus" service to two larger towns nearby. My commute to high school was an hour in a bus that looked like a modified delivery van... Now I live right above a metro station and commute similar distance to uni in 15 minutes 🫢
Even my 12.5k City has 5 bus lines (that also connect to other towns and cities), 3 train stations for the regional train so no one has to walk too far and the regional train directly connects to another one to Berlin or to different ICE lines
Regarding Elend: There is also a town in the Harz mountains called "Wida" (which reads like "wieder", "again"), and seemingly every road out of it ends up looping back.
I am a bit surprised that you didn't mention Strausberg, Schöneiche and Woltersdorf, three small tram lines in the suburbs of Berlin. These could be at least partially a model for Stade in that regard (of course Stade is quite larger, buuuuuut I assume that the largest need for a tram would be as a supplement for S-Bahn)
Well, I like the swiss idea that a minimum service is an hourly service from 5-6 am to 8pm-midnight. That’s what a village of 100+ people deserves. And while yes, I‘d prefer automatic gap higher minimum frequency, I get the issues with ridership vs personnel and infrastructure costs make that a difficult sell for the most part.
In the US and Canada they claim that cities with 250k are too small for a tram.. despite having them 100 years ago, when they were WAY smaller laughable
My city has about 800k (Wider Region is 2.5 Mill), we don't have even a tram lol. Third time trying to get them back, although they'll be used more as regional service than local. UK sucks at getting its mode right. Should be a automated light metro imo, and our mainlines electrified with higher frequencies. Even my village on the edge should have trains, but since it used by the express trains my station won't be happening till HS2 gets fully built, if I'm lucky.
No city is too small for trams. Edmonton used to have 46,000 people and 92 km of track served by a fleet of 70 streetcars. Now it's a city of 1,100,000 with 40 km of track with about 90 cars... And no the density didn't switch just our use of trains when GM and Goodyear hoodwinked the world into replacing their electric train networks with diesel buses...
No graz doesnt have an opiod proplem? Ive lived my life here i never heard anything like that neither in the media nor IRL. What are you speaking about? The City has 5 S-Bahn lines. Don tell lies.
Well, I like the swiss idea that a minimum service is an hourly service from 5-6 am to 8pm-midnight. That’s what a village of 100+ people deserves. And while yes, I‘d prefer automatic gap higher minimum frequency, I get the issues with ridership vs personnel and infrastructure costs make that a difficult sell for the most part.
Meanwhile the "standard" frequency of any regional mainline in Germany is every 2 hours... Unless it connects two cities, then it's usually hourly. Which is completely useless for anyone not living in between two metropolitan areas.
@@TecrasTrash I mean, hourly is already borderline unusable, especially when something goes wrong with a connection, but every two hours is definitely too little. But especially for rural Germany, you get a school bus to and from school every school day and that’s called public transport…
This is the first of actually a couple.videos I recorded in the Harz! The other should be out later this hear, but say tuned for the next video where I discuss the trains of Switzerland (in Switzerland!!!)
My silly transit dream would to connect the Halberstadt Trams on the other side if the Harz to the HSB too. Then you could take a tram all the way from Halberstadt to Nordhausen. Its such a silly thing that it would be amazing.
I would love to see this
Peak quality video! But I am very sure this one needs sequels. Like, a lot of sequels.
I'm sure that can be arranged ;)
@TFTSB Hurray! I'd recommend addressing the question on which mode suits which kind of city in more detail. This is what goes wrong the most in transit as I speak.
Ooooh I'm game for that!
@@TFTSB Hurray! I was planning on making a Braunschweig transit rant video, it's going to be amazing!
Fantastic video about trams and trains more generally in smaller cities. You got a new subscriber!
I live in a village of 70.
But being able to get to the nearest city of ten thousand, 20 kilometers away, by bus, without starting on Saturday at 5 in the morning, and reaching the city on monday at 10 in the evening, would be nice.
But hey, im in austria, so this is a non-viennese daring to get ideas beyond his station.
Radical thinking, that!
Germans are not consistent with their terms. There is even the term "Fahrradautobahn", which literally means something like "bicycle car railway".
My favourite German word is still Antibabypillen
My favourite German word is still Antibabypillen
Bahn doesn't mean railway, it just means lane/way.
Autobahn means car lane/way, tough the English world would be highway.
I do not see the inconsistency
It's quite consistent compared to some other places. U Bahns are always called U Bahns and always use the logo with the white U on a blue square, S Bahns are always called S Bahn and use the white S on a green circle, Strassenbahn is always called Strassenbahn etc. In the UK, London has 2 U Bahn networks. One is called the "underground" and the other is called the "Docklands light rail", despite actually being an automated metro. London also has an S Bahn network called "London Overground" and another one called "the Elizabeth line", which in Germany would actually count as 5 lines. Newcastle has the "metro", Glasgow has the "subway" and Liverpool has the "Merseyrail" and all these networks have different logos. The tram in Manchester is called "metrolink". The one in Birmingham is called "metro", despite being a tram. In Nottingham, it's called "NET" and in Sheffield, it's called "supertram". These networks also all have different logos. Trains and buses in Germany even accept the same tickets. If you buy a single ticket on a bus in a German city, it's also still valid if you then get on an U Bahn or tram or even regional trains within the area the ticket covers until it expires.
@lazrseagull54 not entirely true, here in the cologne/bonn region we have the Stadtbahn (which is indeed different from both the S-Bahn and Straßenbahn) but it uses the U logo and also goes, at least, partially underground... It's confusing lol
Used to live in a town of a 1000 people with only a horrible hourly "bus" service to two larger towns nearby. My commute to high school was an hour in a bus that looked like a modified delivery van...
Now I live right above a metro station and commute similar distance to uni in 15 minutes 🫢
Love the Omsk "metro" in the back
Thank you lol
Even my 12.5k City has 5 bus lines (that also connect to other towns and cities), 3 train stations for the regional train so no one has to walk too far and the regional train directly connects to another one to Berlin or to different ICE lines
Regarding Elend: There is also a town in the Harz mountains called "Wida" (which reads like "wieder", "again"), and seemingly every road out of it ends up looping back.
I am a bit surprised that you didn't mention Strausberg, Schöneiche and Woltersdorf, three small tram lines in the suburbs of Berlin. These could be at least partially a model for Stade in that regard (of course Stade is quite larger, buuuuuut I assume that the largest need for a tram would be as a supplement for S-Bahn)
Always a chance for me to return to this topic sometime!
Fun Fact in relation to your Fun Fact: The same HSB line that runs to Elend (EN: Misery) also runs to Sorge (EN: Worries)
They both belong to the Gemeinde Oberharz am Brocken in Sachsen-Anhalt, not Lower Saxony. Btw.
Good catch! Also, I wonder why people in those towns are so worried and miserable? It could be worse - they could live in Darmstadt-Wixhausen!
The free German lesson is very much appreciated. 😆
All I ask for payment is a subscription haha
Well, I like the swiss idea that a minimum service is an hourly service from 5-6 am to 8pm-midnight. That’s what a village of 100+ people deserves.
And while yes, I‘d prefer automatic gap higher minimum frequency, I get the issues with ridership vs personnel and infrastructure costs make that a difficult sell for the most part.
The Swiss really are world leaders in this stuff
@ especially in terms of rural transit
Maybe we should consider switching to the Nordhausen narrow gauge to a fuel that is not cole.
Cole is a hard worker who helped unionise his workplace to boot
In the US and Canada they claim that cities with 250k are too small for a tram..
despite having them 100 years ago, when they were WAY smaller
laughable
Truly laughable
Also in "smaller cities", depending on the urban shape, you could operate minibus services to nearby villages
My city has about 800k (Wider Region is 2.5 Mill), we don't have even a tram lol. Third time trying to get them back, although they'll be used more as regional service than local. UK sucks at getting its mode right. Should be a automated light metro imo, and our mainlines electrified with higher frequencies. Even my village on the edge should have trains, but since it used by the express trains my station won't be happening till HS2 gets fully built, if I'm lucky.
Omsk Metro spotted 🔭
Nebenbahnen are also very good. i recommend driving Uelzen to Brunswick small villages having hourly train stops.
That's the route that goes via Soltau, right?
UELZEN IS CONNECTED WITH BRAUNSCHWEIG BY TRAMS?!!!!
@@TFTSB no thats a different route.
Its the RB47 Uelzen-Braunschweig Hbf by erixx.
The one you mean is done by start
No city is too small for trams. Edmonton used to have 46,000 people and 92 km of track served by a fleet of 70 streetcars. Now it's a city of 1,100,000 with 40 km of track with about 90 cars... And no the density didn't switch just our use of trains when GM and Goodyear hoodwinked the world into replacing their electric train networks with diesel buses...
Yes, it is. My hometown has 7,000 inhabitants and it is the biggest town in the region. We have frequent train and bus connections though
I'd recommend watching until the end of the video, because I think your area is more deserving than you think!
@TFTSB still no, the town itself has too small distances for that and the next town over in each direction of the valley is already connected by train
Looking at you London Ontario, Oshawa, Halifax, and Victoria
Victoria especially makes me sad. Van Isle deserves so much better - I say as someone very familiar with the modern state of BC Transit lol
Hi, I'm from Nordhausen 👋 😊
Welcome!
Stade Stadtbahn?? I'm sorry??
It was a network that existed for one weekend only back in the 90s! But that's a story for later this year ;)
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Graz has an opioid problem they only have a tram business and one S Bahn line while they have 300 thousand people they really deserve a Metro.
They truly deserve a metro (or at least light metro) though I'm not sure how the opioid problem relates
No graz doesnt have an opiod proplem? Ive lived my life here i never heard anything like that neither in the media nor IRL. What are you speaking about? The City has 5 S-Bahn lines. Don tell lies.
Well, I like the swiss idea that a minimum service is an hourly service from 5-6 am to 8pm-midnight. That’s what a village of 100+ people deserves.
And while yes, I‘d prefer automatic gap higher minimum frequency, I get the issues with ridership vs personnel and infrastructure costs make that a difficult sell for the most part.
Meanwhile the "standard" frequency of any regional mainline in Germany is every 2 hours...
Unless it connects two cities, then it's usually hourly.
Which is completely useless for anyone not living in between two metropolitan areas.
@@TecrasTrash I mean, hourly is already borderline unusable, especially when something goes wrong with a connection, but every two hours is definitely too little.
But especially for rural Germany, you get a school bus to and from school every school day and that’s called public transport…