This $100ish Amazon PC Is Apparently "Perfect for gaming"...
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There's another one with a J4125 for about the same price, it has double the cores, double the base clock, and intel graphics 600 instead of 500 !
How about this becomes a series, trying out mini pcs. Maybe you'll find a gem!
Can i have the link plz cause I'm not getting
Ooh I love this idea. Second this!
Don't we have @ServeTheHome for that?
Four words, Lenovo Thinkcentre Tiny PCs. Used market on these are not bad and have much more capability once you get into the i5 and i7 models. Also, they are very easy to maintain and upgrade to SSD and better ram.
@@MrMega200 Agreed! I picked up a refurb micro form factor HP Elitedesk for just about $150(usd) and it won't go up to 11 without creativity but it runs 10 just fine and I'm planning to use it for a home server (I upgraded the ram and the nvme drive is on the way). Better price/specs than a Raspberry Pi with the current market rates
Honestly for a $110 miniPC I am impressed. The fact that it could even load GTAV was surprising to me.
I have an 80$ pc and i played farcry4 so i don't see this mini pc worth it 💀
@@whitetiger-7752 the size
@@NippyNep the size isn’t worth it at all, can’t put a cheap gpu in it
@@OfficialzThunderyou can attach an external one
@@farisakhtar4824 no, you can't
The fact that it can even load those games is impressive. It probably would make a great emulation PC since raspberry pis can be expensive or hard to come by, and youd get a full windows system to boot.
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he literally tested emulation on it and it sucked ass,a windows 10 boot is seriously not that impressive if opening a web page takes 2 minutes lmfao
mini pc's can be way more capable than this
@@jeanvaljean6433yeah, he tested emulation in windows 10, but anyone buying this as an alternative to a raspberry pi is going to have Linux on it and emulation station.
I would love for you to do a review on a brand new complete windows computer that will run GTA 5 or Skyrim better than this for $100 or less.
@@jeanvaljean6433 Install lakka or a light linux distro on it then. Windows 10 is too bloated for this thing.
This is most definitely a thin client workstation (hence the name). Used to connect to a server and run virtual machine environments. We use similar Dell branded ones, at 8x the price. So for $100, this thing is actually brilliant.
Thin clients are $800? At that point, why not just purchase a standard PC? Unless you’re remoting into a server for like CAD work or something
@@bandombeviews6035 I guess the IT or company want control over employees
My guess is that's exactly why... things like CAD, 3D software, or specific environments that are able to be monitored and controlled like the other comment here mentioned@@bandombeviews6035
@@bandombeviews6035large corporations will pay for the convenience of centralized management.
When I worked IT in an office we were buying horrendously overpriced (I think like $700) Dell WYSE thin clients, but they could be remotely managed so all you had to do was know the 5 digit ID and you could connect to it and re image it all from another location.
They took about 5 minutes to start up win10 which was locked down to only accessing edge, which was locked to accessing a single web site to log into your remote desktop session.
@@bandombeviews6035 Fair question. I saw that going right back to the 1990s.. they'd sell X servers (for UNIX system use), then thin clients (typically X server and Windows Remote Desktop client basically) for prices like that, well into the territory where you could have just bought a PC and popped it on their desk even if it was just working as a thin client connecting into some remote system.
I have a couple of Celeron machines like these deployed. These are actually perfect for very casual computing and for low power, always on application. I use one for my 3D printer, and another for a home file/media server.
yep, I'm watching UA-cam in my living room on a Celeron 2957U.
what the hell is home file server?
These mini pcs are awesome for office work
@@sebastjansslavitis3898 Google your question
@@uhm175 lol. He was totally baiting that guy. I Love your response
I supported a bunch of these for a medical clinic. Perfect for this application, all they did was run an app to connect to their medical billing database and occasional light web browsing.
At the mid point between a thin client and a full computer.
bet all the people that work at the medical clinic are gaming on them and playing gta 5 😂
I been using my $125 J4125 mini pc with 256 ssd, 8Gb ram for 2 years. Worked great as media player and light web browsing. But recently I been doing more on it and it is struggling. So got Beelink Ryzen 5 5500u, 16Gb ram, 500Gb nvme ssd for $225. Big improvement from J4125. And this thing is so tiny but powerful.
Nice
I actually have one of these powering a custom homebuilt pinball machine (physical, not virtual). I write my own pinball machine control software that runs on Windows, and to challenge myself to make my code extremely efficient I picked up one of these weak PCs. It did expose a few flaws in my code, but after some development time I've got my code running nearly perfect. Not only does this tiny PC handle all the I/O for the lights, switches and solenoids (via a USB breakout board, oh and pinball is extremely latency sensitive), but also handles running the DMD animations. Bonus, I use a 27" monitor as the pinball backglass, and my control software GUI can even play videos during gameplay without affecting gameplay latency. So I agree, gaming is a big YES and 5-stars! That said, I wouldn't mind doubling the cores for some processing headroom and faster NVMe storage for quicker startup. It's surprisingly hard to find tiny, decent little PC's like this with good-enough performance at dirt cheap prices.
It is locked at 6W of power and for the CPU alone it may be fine at lower load tasks but when the GPU usage is high there is even less power left for the CPU and it throttles hard sometimes even under the poor base clock like you can see in this video in Bioshock gameplay, what I would do is install program like ThrottleStop and manually change power limit and boost clock time to higher value, I tried that on Intel Atom tablet and it gave performance boost of few hundred percent in some scenarios.
Good to know about this!
6W even for a laptop is pathetic. ThrottleStop all the way!
Same thing happened with my old atom x5 tablet the CPU power limit was I think 2.41watts and the GPU was 4watts or something I tried some latest games on it the CPU clock get's down to 480mhz. It was an Acer Aspire Switch. Currently it is connected to my non smart tv
And also 4GB of soldered RAM is of course the next thing that limited its capability.
4GB in Windows PC is barely enough for basic task in 2023 unless you are brave enough to debloat all the intrusive Microsoft stuff (like disabling telemetry and removing some unnecessary system apps to cut down the RAM usage)
What is seen in the Bioshock gameplay is the cpu adjusting to a more efficient frequency rather than staying at high, more power-hungry clocks just because. This is demonstrated by the utilization barely breaking 70% even at sub 1GHz, the game is entirely gpu bound. Still, I support the notion of the using ThrottleStop in a system like this, and the cooling can absolutely handle more power since it rarely went over 40C at 6w.
I'm going to consider this PC as a possible alternative to a Raspberry Pi 4. Try buying a Raspberry Pi 4 - 4 GB for $100...and that's if you can even find one for sale. That you can run Windows on it may mean a better experimentation platform than the Pi, that is, if you don't need the IO header pins offered on the Pi platform. It can be frustrating trying to get software to run on a Pi, but with an Intel architecture, it should be a LOT easier to compile and run Linux apps.
Yeah this or like a laptop from around 2012 - 2016 with an ssd in it & a fresh battery probably is another good option for like 20 - 150$.
Two laptops i got around here is a samsung np355v5c hd 7670m, amd a8 4500m & 8 gb ram which i only needed a charger for (25$) & got free otherwise without a hdd & battery is gone as well.
But i don't use it much anyway so i don't really need a battery.
Bit low res screen from what im used too on my desktop pc but for webbrowsing & looking at UA-cam perfect hooked up too said 1080p display instead of my desktop pc with mouse & keyboard its nice.
Runs older singleplayer games like half-life 2, fear, stalker shadow of chernobyl fine, slapped in a leftover 240 gb pny cs 900 ssd after i put in a 1 tb m.2 as a games drive in my desktop pc running Atlas OS which is a bit slimmed down version of windows 10 pro, havent bought a license for the laptop for now at least.
My secondary laptop the Lenovo T420 I'm running as a wifi repeater atm.
4 gb ram 320 gb spinning rust drive with like 38k hours probably at this point, bought it from my uni for 30$ a year after i graduated in 2016 with like 2500 hours on the hdd.
Harddrive is slow as balls on it, specially with a stock windows 10 install but as it only runs as a wifi repeater it's fine too leave as is, it's literally just left too idle next too my desk with webcam & mic disabled.
Look up Lenovo Thinkcentre Tiny PCs. You can pick up an used model with an i5-4570T, 8GB ram, 500GB HDD for about $55.
I saw someone trying to compile mongoDB for Arm v8 (officially release compiled for Arm v8a) on a Pi. It was of course a diaster. A $100 x86 alternative is a no-brainer
If you don't need IO pins just buy a small used office. At least Intel 4th gen and part of the core series.
@@Sunlight91 those are bulky
Pretty impressive that thing can game at all, I remember buying budget laptops back in the day and trying to game on them and couldn't even load them due to not having compatible shaders.
Hearing farming simulator music as you backing music always makes me smile.
I've bought a number of similar units at around $150 each. All Celeron 3xxx or 4xxx series with at least 8Gb RAM and they're all spectacular little machines. Generally low noise, low heat and low power consumption with a variety of potential uses.
I would like to see more of them come with PD for the power supply instead of a proprietary brick. There are several multiport PD power supplies out there that could easily power three or four of these units simultaneously. In theory you could even power them with a battery-based PD power supply running from a moderate solar setup and set the unit to auto-shut down when power was too low then boot on power when sufficient power was restored.
That's actually really cool to see for a machine like that. Having it to run older gen emulators is a good use case for it.
Why not just use a raspberry pi 4 for like cheaper if you want emulation for the same price
@@deanasher2155 Because you likely won't be offered a free Pi from your office job when they cycle out the old machines? This kind of device is common, as is them being given out to employees when retired from use.
@@deanasher2155there is a use case for x86 mini pcs over arm boards
Honestly, for the size and price. This is a pretty badass product.
Actually, I kind of like it. I mean it's not a Windows gaming PC but it's a step up in power from a Raspberry Pi. 4GB of memory might be limited but I grew up squeezing the last bits of power out of a C64 so I've never actually _used_ 4GB of memory.
@@immortalsofar5314my first PC had a 8mb integrated graphics card and was using AOL you had it easy lol
not really. you can buy a laptop for like $125-150 thats more powerful than whatever this thing is lol. Heck, even a used laptop for $100 is more impressive.
@@thelonercoder5816its form factor, its small and compact because it serves a niche purpose which you probably won’t understand
Do some retro gaming stuff on it. Things like this has a place somewhere where they will be perfect to operate it.
You had me laughing the whole time Espically the “Cooeling” lol 😂
Honestly would like to see this with some sort of emulation focused Linux distro like Batocera and see how it handles emulation. For the price, with the thoughtful IO and mounting options this could be a neat little TV mounted emulation box
My thoughts excactly. It would be nice to see this tested for a realistic use case like an Android TV box.
Something with a chip like the rk3588 would be much more suited than this I think, though they might cost a touch more... I just noticed a newer one with a cut down rk3588s being announced on liliputing in my rss feed on me phone called the Radxa Rock5 model A which seems to be on pre-order for $89 (30 discount) for the 8gb LPDDR4 version however. That is just a bare board similar to buying a pi, mind, but a kind of tempting price for an 8 core chip with a quad core mali gpu :).. the model B has more usb and hdmi and PCIe3.0 from what I can tell and came out for sale last year but is quite a bit more pricey, at least compared to the preorder discount.
There are a few reviews of devices with the rk3588 being used for emulation up to ps2 and gamecube in android which is pretty good going, but it seems they have also gotten it fully supported in reborn os arch linux now which also makes it more of an actual budget mini pc competitor. Even for things like a plex server I guess since they claim it can encode 16 channels of 1080p30 and comes with 1gig ethernet and wifi 6e, lol.. not sure, I am tempted to grab one for a nosey however :)
I’m thinking of picking it up with just that in mind.
Pro tip, disable telemetry, set all services to manual, set display for performance, disable cortana... a few things to make winblows run smoother on underpowered hardware. Chris Titus has a great script for this purpose.
Yes,with a little bit fine tuning it can be more efficient, I think ( in my case ) it can run as mqtt server,Kodi,Arduino IDE, PlatformIO and some more things perfectly.
I deploy this EXACT computer for work regularly. I've never thought to game on it. Cool to see what it could do. Can you do an Intel NUC from 2013 next?
im curious what you use it for. I could see maybe using something like this as a digital signage player. MAYBE a thin client.
@@bobowon5450 that’s exactly it, digi signs
My main machine died when I was broke and I ended up using an Asus EEE netbook (with external everything) to run my business for a year _and_ play a few games. This one is probably about as powerful so stick Linux on there and it's perfectly usable. Just probably not as a windows AAA gaming machine.
For anyone who's not into making a Raspberry Pi emulation machine since you have to do some extra steps like making a case, applying heat sinks and installing/working in an interface environment you may not be familiar or comfortable working in, I can see this being a nice alternative for a little more money that will give you your basics like NES, SNES, Genesis, PS1 etc... for that, it's a nice little 'home made' console that has plenty of I/O to it. I wouldn't try to play anything past 1996 on it, but it's neat in its own right.
Looks like a neat emergency-rig, I think I'll put one inside my case.
lol
Useful for 'downloading network drivers', when you have no internet access because of lack of network drivers.
I had a netbook with an N3350 CPU and only 2GB ram. It run pretty well with Lubuntu. The good battery life and low weight meant I could hike into nature and write articles while sunbathing. It even played youtube videos well in 720p. You just had to wait 2-3s for the transition into fullscreen.
how well did it game?🤣🤣🤣
@@raven4k998 but did it game..... lol
my chromebook that was like 130 dollars can run vids in 1080p and also 4k
TBH, from a business perspective that sort of system is decent as a thin client to run a virtual desktop. Significantly better connectivity and specs than the old Wyse Winterms I supported in the past as well as being much, *much* more compact. Personally I'd prefer a little more RAM but that's because a modern browser would struggle with only 4 GB and that's the sort of thing I'd prefer to run locally if possible. Really good for the price though, especially when kitting out a full office. There are also some alleged workstation replacements out there in a similar form factor, IIRC the company is BeeLink, but I don't know if you've already done one of those.
We don’t see enough humor in tech content today, which is why I love this channel
finally, not a video fo yours that I'm watching which is decades old.
jokes aside, I appreciate the amount of time and effort you put into your videos, truly unimaginable how hardworking you are! keep up the good work, Dawid!
I'm surprised he didn't see how well it handles decoding an Xbox Game Pass or GeForce NOW cloud gaming stream.
Yes!! Saturday morning with Dawid. It just doesn't make you smile more.
honestly yes
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9:22 the hitch is actually the world trying to load more. This is done on a separate CPU thread, but if that thread can't keep up, it'll halt the game until it finishes.
Had this issue with even an overclocked G3258. My graphics card could handle 60FPS, but the CPU couldn't keep up so I had to force 30fps vsync.
I actually bought one of these a few months ago for the purpose of streaming audio from a police scanner (headless linux). Normally I would go with a raspberrypi for something like this, but those are hard to get due to stock shortages right now. Point is, little computers like this do have a purpose for techy folks. They can make great low power solutions for small home servers and automation devices. They could also make great thin clients for connecting to a Citrix/Horizon system.
I would, however, not really recommend this for an everyday desktop. Considering all the peripherals you would need (mouse, keyboard, monitors, etc), you might as well buy a low end laptop (which would provide more computing power).
Seems like it'd be great as an alternative to a lot of smart tv accessories, like Roku.
all things considered, that thing did admirably well...especially basically running off of a glorified SD card...GLAD you're back Dawid!
I really wish he removed all the cynicism from his videos. It's a $100 mini pc and he's insulting it because it won't run triple A games. That mini pc has many use cases where it would be amazing.
@@halfwaytomars No, Actually, he is insulting it because it is marketed for gaming and it CLEARLY is NOT a gaming PC.
@@bm1066 At the beginning he mentions it was not marketed as a gaming PC. "Gaming" was part of a generic list of use cases.
@@halfwaytomars what triple a games, GTA 5 came out ten years ago, bioshock came out 16 years ago, and half life 2 came out like 19 years ago, and it struggled to run any of them
@@Astroooozi age of the game changes what computers can run it. It's why portable handheld PCs can run GTA 5... File sizes are one of the simplest things to fix to run a game lol.....
I totally could see this being used professionally. Actually, that seems like its intended use. With 2 HDMI and a small, mountable form factor, it seems like it would be great for POS systems or kiosks or something like that. You also don't need a fast processor or much storage for those applications.
Hahaha, love it, man, you sounded so psyched and nice in your subtle sarcasm, you could actually probably sell that quite effectively, they should pay you for your reviews on this stunning tech.
This comment doesn't apply directly to this video but I've wanted to broadcast this feeling for a while and it is general Dawid appreciation anyway. Dawid was the first tech channel I'd ever seen who taught me that you don't need the top of the line hardware every time the new model is released if your use case is 1080p gaming; and that actually you can make a pretty fantastic gaming PC at a very accessible price point. He's is relatable and entertaining and is pretty much the only tech channel I watch. Glad you're back from your holiday, here's to a great year of more shenanigans!
I could see using this in a shop, hooked up to a monitor & a laser engraver. So long as it can run Lightburn, it would work perfectly after removing the windows bloat.
This is actually kind of nice. Been wanting to set up a pc exclusively for streaming with no ads and this would do the job. The alternative is spending twice the price for pc componenets that aren't offensively large.
eh, I have seen a lot of folks use these as a modern thin client...on POS registers and such...but a rather good use for them is for hyperwall type digital signage. They also just work. No reasoning behind how something so cheap works so well, but they do. Used 6 in a series with 6 80 inch borderless screens to create one huge digital sign for a ball field. They work well to show replays and stats and scores...and if you hook them up to the network you can control them remotely from the announcer booth. Made for some interesting pretty during games...though graphix wise, they are limited.
I'm glad you pointed out that new computers have some high CPU utilization early on in their lives. It's frustrating on the subreddit for my laptop seeing people with Ryzen 9 processors say they returned it within the first hour because it was too hot. Be patient! Let the thing update
Hey, be happy! Returns get sold for cheaper to us poor plebs
New as in newly bought or as in newly released?
@@HappyBeezerStudios Both
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep So if I buy an i5-9600K now I would have to wait a couple months until it gets patched colder?
@@HappyBeezerStudios No, not like that haha. It'd be a fresh install of Windows so it wouldn't be the same as a laptop
With such low computer specs you should test youtube multimedia.
How it performs as a media player at different resolutions.
I do have a Intel 3205U based non-branded box with 8G RAM and 4 gigE ports, to work as a mini server. That provides 3 vms based on proxmox VE - a 7x24 Home Assistant vm, a 7x24 Linux mint 21 xfce vm, and a turn-on-as-needed NAS vm (with auto "power-off" for storage hdd spin down). It looks the power is still not used up.
Also, it would have been cool to show how well it can game stream - given that it has an Ethernet for better connectivity and Bluetooth for controllers, it would be nice to hook it into a TV.
I feel like in a thinclient environment this thing could be really nice. Like just being a terminal for running citrix.
Or when it comes to gaming .. this lookes like the dream hardware to be used as a steamlink device.
Exactly. Not a machine that should do heavy tasks on end. Just short bursts of acceleration.
Minisforum make some very good mini pcs. I have bought two on a discount, and they're a lot better than I expected for the relatively low price.
I also want to see you try to put a lightweight linux distro on this pc.
Fair play! The fact you can load a 3D first person shooter, and have it run natively at a playable frame rate. On a machine you could easily fit in your pocket. That just shows how far things have come.
I'm happy to see that some brands are making products cheaper, smaller and a lot better than raspberry pi
I personally use my Dell Studio with a Core 2 Duo for that. It's a lot bigger and less efficient, but oh well.
This is a very good PC for a POS situation or any kind of front end reception kind of deal where you want the PC to be hidden, likely mounted on the monitor someone is using.
It's so well designed though!
Yeah, that's a good price for a kiosk type PC.
My company (before I left) was paying well over that to buy Dell wyze thin clients with similar specs, they were restricted down to a browser login for citrix to launch Citrix hosted apps.
The dells were probably 250.
Although this won't have remote management... Can't reimage one of these remotely, so I get why they paid for the professional product... But for a small company? Perfect.
@@volvo09 oh yeah, and I've worked on worse specced POS thin clients.
This is the only time I will say soldered RAM and storage is good: when the goal is a device whose whole life is to logon to a web interface and do data entry.
Like, this PCa entire life is going to be sitting under a dust filled desk with terrible ventilation while someone hammers on a greasy keyboard all day long as it sends data to a backend server to do the actual compute work.
I know it's not one to one comparison but considering how in demand and expensive pi's are now this seems like quite a good deal for some uses
The thing is massive compared to the Intel Compute Stick (STK1AW32SC) I bought from ABC Warehouse many years ago and still casually use today when guests come by or there's no need to fire up my main PC. Sure it has half the specs but the size (similar to an Amazon Fire Stick remote) being so low-profile is great. It plugs into an HDMI port on my 55" TV and is almost invisible. It does everything thrown at it and maintains 4K res without any strain whatsoever. More powerful models are out there and for the price it's all anyone could need for general web browsing. A Logitech keyboard with trackpad has been linked to it (via Bluetooth) since day one. Amazing for having only paid $140 retail.
I’m obviously a bit late to this video, but I thought I’d mention that until a couple years ago when I bought an Acer Nitro 5, these are the frames and speeds I got on my old HP Pavilion G4. I beat Skyrim on that computer and played a ton of Dragon Age Origins, but with the Nitro 5, I’m casually playing through Cyberpunk 2077’s new update. It’s crazy how much difference there is between two systems just 10-ish years apart.
When these videos show up, it's like Christmas but without the yelling, crying, and I actually get something out of it.
the fuck is going on at your christamases
I can't tell if he's being sarcastic or not
Dawid! You are the world's first "tech" comedian XD I have never imagined myself laughing by watching a tech video again and again.
Got this for $60 last year used off ebay. Scoped it on Amazon. Also took it apart immediately and it's a solid build quality. If it hasn't been turned on in a while, it doesn't boot first tr. I read it is a common problem but boots second try. For streaming and server/client stuff it's pretty nice. Ran Octoprint with an HD camera for a while. Just repurposed it for game streaming but only does 30hz 4k. If you want it for streaming, moonlight might have a better chance running headless. 4k definitely wasn't smooth with a Linux desktop distro. 1080p was butter and it's crazy how much $60 got me. Would have bought at ~$100 anyway back then, just lucked out
You should use an hdmi passthrough capture device for things like this that can't run screencap, makes it so you don't have to resort to pointing a camera to a screen
This seems like a pretty kickass streaming box tbh
This plays the games of 1983 with frame rates of 2-3 per second! Pac-Man, Frogger, Space Invaders and Asteroids run smoothly and glitch free!
I've been using my T4 Pro for about 6 months and it's still works good. I used ghost spectre moded windows 10 to remove bloatwares and run the mini pc faster.
Could be a good little machine for emulator games up to Dreamcast with Linux or Android x86.
when the 100$ pc has better IO then the 2000$ MacBook M2
Honestly, PCs like this are great for businesses. My work place uses PCs like this for register POS systems. (Granted a bit more powerful) they are inexpensive, and work great for what they are. They get mounted to the back of the monitors, which keeps the work stations tidy.
Great review! Thank You!
I like this. So happy to find out about it. I was considering getting raspberry pis but they’re famously difficult to run software on so this with intel architecture is perfect for me. I’m working with an NGO to provide basic computers to kids in rural villages in my country for homework, computer literacy and exposure and this might just be the low cost solution we’re looking for.
I would highly recommend getting surplus mini PCs like a HP ProDesk mini rather than these things. I got mine (has a 4590T CPU) off a bulk seller from ebay for $65 CAD that had everything minus RAM and SSD. Throw in a cheap $15-20 120GB SSD and maybe $10-20 for a 4gb ddr3 sodimm (may even be able to get cheaper per stick from a bulk lot), you end up paying around the same for a substantially better machine.
@@gen_angry I was almost certain the problem with this solution was too much power draw, but I had to double check by researching... Apparently those little prodesk computers are fairly low in consumption. It looks like the one in the video still has a bit less than half the power draw. It's a really important consideration for developing countries in rural environments that might run all run off of one power generator and might need to turn off sections of a "grid" at certain times of day for basic needs that we take for granted in the developed world.
I always wanted to find one of those mini PC with a Ryzen apu in it. Then put a 7 inch screen on it. To see if you could turn it into a gaming handheld for the cheap
Nvidia Jetson... thank me later
Oh, yes!
I've an Acer laptop with a 32GB eMMc drive and 4GB memory with the N3450 Celeron. It's actually great with a 128GB USB port drive and runs older games like GTA San Andreas and Driver Parallel Lines just fine. I can even run American Truck Simulator at a lower resolution. Paid $150 for it in 2016 and it still goes with me on out of town trips. If I had to replace it I'd look for an 8GB/256GB with the J4125 which seem to be close in price today.
It’s a few times slower than a 2010 laptop but for $100 and this tiny form factor… kind of interesting for a TV dashboard that shows a PowerPoint or a graph in a business environment. More stable than a chromecast for obvious reasons
Also, it would be cool to see if the pc's gaming performance improves using the Tiny10 os.
I had a similar one, Spolier: No, it doesn't and input lag goes to the moon
Would be interesting to see Dawid get one of the Ryzen 9 6900HX powered Mini PCs (with Radeon 680M graphics) and find some "interesting" test/use case for it, like testing 8K 60Hz gaming. Dawid's Deathmatch Arena of Death: Minisforum UM690 (or Beelink GTR6) vs. something silly.
So I have a laptop that is basically that. R9 6900HS and 680M. I get similar performance to a 1650 mobile when I unlock the power limit. With that limit unlocked though I have seen 45W on the iGPU alone. The RDNA3 APUs should be even faster. We might even see 2060Max-Q performance out of them.
I have one of these from a few years back and it is handy for having a silent and low power x86 linux server for home network stuff
Very Nice - Like the "Pc in a Stick" Version . its usefull for measure software with usb cameras.
Who doesn't want to play a game in slow motion?
To be honest this could be a great contender for things you'd normally use a Raspberry Pi for like home automation, media streaming or even a small NAS (given it has that many USB 3 ports). Especially right now since Raspberry Pis are hard to get and therefore pretty overpriced. Also don't forget that with a Pi you'd need to add a case, heatsink, power supply and SD card, whereas this little box already comes with all of those things.
Hmm, for that price you could build a 3 rPi supercomputer cluster.
@@joe--cool uh... Have you checked prices on the Raspberry Pi recently? If they were available at MSRP yes but they sure aren't, sadly
@@SilentdragonDe There was one 4B 1GB in stock for 60 bucks when I checked but they are gone now. Crazy. I ordered some with 2GB last year for 40 bucks. Pretty insane.
All you get now is a Pine A64+ 2GB for that price.
Yeah but they also have kits that include all of that for about the same price.
Could probably be used as an emulation box for a living room TV or something.
There was a Black Friday deal I got on a Lenovo e100 laptop. Came with an AMD E3015 CPU. 2 cores, 4 threads. 4GB RAM, 64GB EMC storage, and 11.6" 1600x900 display. Was only $99, and probably has better integrated Radeon graphics of somekind.
I am genuinely SHOCKED and AMAZED that GTAV even BOOTED on this little thing!
If you showed this to 10 year old me, said there was a PC in that box, I would not believe you. Thats still impressive that any of these games launch.
Would be a good "gaming" machine for some older time prier to HL2 or even retro gaming.
Can you test one of these pc boxes, perhaps for gamestreaming, either via moonlight or some cloud gaming service? Would be really interested to see the results.
This would be really cool as like something to bring with you in your tech bag or something. Where you can like boot up windows for like emails and stuff. For $100 its better than any laptop you'd get for the price.
I have one with a J4105. It works great, it's only 10watts, and I use it for my security cameras, and that's pretty much all I do with it.
So if you want a tiny computer, that uses very little power, and is silent, for your security cameras, it really gets the job done quite well. Apparently, it can be upgraded to windows 11 as well. You can also hook up 3 monitors to it. Wifi, and Bluetooth.
You can use it to test software
I mean Cracked Software and torrent shit
I see Celeron and I run away screaming! Even a good arm chip is going to be better.
The worst part is, that people actually cherishing being ripped off $100 USD for some ultra-cheap (as in _shoddy_ in terms of quality, contrary to _inexpensive_ …) low-performance compute-box with utter sub-standard performance-metrics and horrible price-performance ratio, which is based upon a low-grade Dual-core of 2016, without any Hyperthreading mind you!
*I mean, even the Raspberry Pi has a quad-core since years now!* A darn dual-core, even _with·out_ anything Hyperthreading in 2023, being tortured to death by of all things Windows 10 …
Let's face it, it would be better of with either FreeDOS or anythign Linux/Unix. Since anything Windows past Windows 7 reduces this box to actually environmentally polluting e-waste and Intel should be charged huge fines to even issue such scrap-hardware in the first place …
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@@Smartcom5 It's funny that if you don't mind getting an old computer, you actually get a far more powerful PC if you buy a corporate one. I've been using an i5-2400 based corporate PC that only cost 40 dollars for a long time now.
@@TheSteveTheDragon You likely misunderstood me, I've nothing against older hardware per se.
I'm just stupefied by the amount of people who cheer upon being actually ripped off with glorified Intel e-Junk and pay hundreds of dollars for substandard shoddy hardware.
This stuff is just e-Waste and nothing more.
@@Smartcom5 On that, I agree.
@@TheSteveTheDragon For real, _I'm serious here_ ...
*It should be a criminal offense to utter this outdated junk into the market, by anyone!* - Everyone who is evidently complicit in putting such low-grade stuff or other obsolete substandard hardware alike in circulation (read: retailers), should be fined by law with substantial amounts of fines over environmental pollution by proxy, due to spread and imminent distribution of e-waste in the form of electronic rejects.
… and in any case of whatsoever recurrence or contraventions, clandestine or overtly, the amounts of financial penalties shall be doubled up to 50 percent of yearly revenue, to make it worthwhile - but no less than at least $1M/months of distribution.
No offense, but these discards are nothing but literal _electronic scrap_ (apart from the fact that the pure manufacturing of such stuff is a waste of precious earth and resources).
These CPUs are so damn shoddy, low-grade and of such under-performing and for sure inefficient nature, that it's economically insane to even fab this e-waste in today's world in the first place.
Bear in mind, that these low-grade Intel Atoms are just more or less enhanced original-Pentiums from back in the nineties (look it up, it's actually true) and are by no means comparable to anything of today's Ryzen- or Core-class CPUs. These pieces are so weak computational-wise, that it only can sufficiently run anything DOS or grass-root Windows (as in Win 3.1/95), if anything.
Look up the actual processor, and you'll see, that it's often some age-old 14nm scrap, which by itself was merely some refreshed 28nm and re-issued single- or dual-core chip from back in 2009. At this particular SKU, it's the Intel Celeron Processor N3350, a dual-core on 14nm from 2016! *This is literally a EIGHT YEARS OLD CPU being sold and repackaged as 'new' ..*
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The sole reason why the marklet is flooed with it and why these useless CPUs are found to be literally in every Mini-PC or NUC-class barebone, is a) since Intel sells these bits for outrageous inflated price-tags north of $100 USD/apiece, just so that Intel can literally pay the OEMs huge 'rebates' to equip their products with it and b) Intel uses these waste-CPUs to clean their fabrication-lines and keep their fabs running (since it's exceedingly more costy to leave a fab running than to fab literally anything).
Please don't think I would've anything against Intel here, I don't.
I would warn people being ripped off by AMD just as likewise - It's just that AMD doesn't even _produces_ anything below a Quad-core since easily 2009 or so (AMD Athlon Phenom X3) and at least doesn't try to dupe customers into buying age-old obsolete feeble hardware ever since. You can't even buy anything below a quad-core from AMD in the first place, and rightfully so!
Though Intel does this shenanigans since the 80s already and floods the market with low-grade CPUs ever since, just for them to ramp up their fabrication-lines and improve yields, until actual stuff is fabricated. It's still eWaste though, adn the usual way it goes, is, that people buy this crap, see for themselves that it's unable to run anything decent and later on it gets just tossed aside into the bin for naught (meanwhile Intel made their unfair share and pollutes the world even further with mountains of electronic wastes).
I feel like maybe this could be useful to put Linux on it and run klipper as a raspberry pi alternative?
If you don't want gpio pins then yes
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Is it possible to make an emulation system out of it?
For the 3DS and Playstation 1 perhaps. This thing clearly isn't meant for gaming of any kind but portable office work. Why you wouldn't buy a cheap laptop at that price point or slightly above and have a screen included, I don't know.
But does it run Cyberpunk lol XD
4k 69FPS else trash pc
@@Diffferencial 69k 420 fps
@@loxymods 420k 69.420FPs
@@Diffferencial even better
its actually pretty decent for being $100 and fitting in the palm of your hand while still getting 10 fps in gta
Minesweeper should work nicely with that thing. The temps are really good though. 🙂
This is like someone telling you that you can use a Prius for racing
You can...
It would be interesting to see how it handles game streaming. Might be a super cheap option for that.
Yeah...my 10 year old super weak PC runs high end 3D games like Gears 5 really well through XBOX PC Game Pass (cloud).
This is the same processor as my HP Stream 11. It will run the games of 2010 pretty well. It runs Bioshock, Oblivion and age of empires 2 hd well. It will run Skyrim with lag but only when you are in a fight. The TGM console command makes it playable because then you cant be unalived when the game slows down.
"Gaming PC" is a relative term. For this PC, I'd say "gaming == minesweeper".
Yeah, almost everyone "games" to some extent on computers. Yes, these days mostly on phones, but the point is they are not playing games like GTAV. They are playing card games, candy crush, and other things like that in which even this computer can run with ease. Few people, overall, are actually playing games like GTAV on computers and those that are already know something like this is not an option.
Actually this seemed pretty decent little machine for general use. Comes with Windows which must cost some money in itself.
You could also try those "custom windows gaming iso" and compare it with stock windows to see how much of a difference it makes without spending extra money.
"You are being rushed by a frame-rate that makes sense." I laughed soooo hard! 😂😂
Glad I watched this in 4k, life changing
It does look like a decent replacement for a Raspberry Pi! Considering that I've seen Raspberry Pi 4b 4GB SBC's going for 2x the cost of this. Could be nice for us 3D printer nerds!
The sarcasm is great. Idk why but the GTAV pop up had me rolling.
This is very similar to the laptop MicroCenter was selling for USD$60, but that laptop was an N3450.
I have a PC that cost me about £75, so back when I got it, that would have been about $100.
Even the packaging very closely resembled what you got there. Mine was obviously an older model, it has 1 HDMI port, 1 VGA port, 3 USB 2 ports, network port, Audio jack, and when you crack it open (clips, no screws) it has 1 USB port on the inside. The board is a bit of an L shape, so there's plenty enough room for a USB memory stick on the inside of the PC.
It's a lemon of a PC, but depending what you need the PC for, it's fine. The biggest problem it has (as a PC) is that it came with Windows 10 installed (I tried other things like Windows 8 and a distro of Linux, but drivers were unavailable for a lot of the hardware, and windows 7 just fails to boot the installer), but it doesn't have enough storage space to install any windows updates, so it constantly gets stuck wanting to install updates, and failing every time you reboot.
This would have made a fun April 1st test.
I had one of these and disabled the power saving C states which let the CPU stay at peak for longer
I had Halo Combat Evolved running on a pentium 2, 333mhz with a 16mb graphics card at mid 20's fps at 640x480, 128mb of RAM. Stripped down Windows XP (I regedit-ed every cycle of unnecessary processor usage from it. Themes, gone. Telephony, don't care. Docwatson, nope. Event recording, why even. Etc... I removed unnecessary .cab files, I removed driver's for hardware I wasn't using (including USB ports as I had a PS2 mouse.)). I loved the heck out of LAN gaming on it in the boarding house basement. So this is an absolute gaming beast in comparison. Just need to have a few mates with a similar setup in a room. Done.
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