Best Budget PC + Drawing Tablet Combo
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It still blows my mind there are mini pcs 😭😭
A mini pc is basically a laptop without the fluff.
Actually, that’s nothing new.
I Only found out about them yesterday when he made his last video about them.
Cute things, but you would love SFF PC builds.
First time i saw a mini pc it was 5 years ago
The USB4 is a little bit of a hidden gem (if it supports PCIe tunneling over USB4 - most do). For an additional $250, NVidia GTX 1070 TI ~$100 USD, Wikingoo EGPU off AliExpress $117, $30 PC Power Supply. Downside besides the cost, you'll have spaghetti monster PC on your desk now :(
That is definitely something I noticed filming these, You can't hide the cords behind them, they are to small.
he wasn't about to build a gaming PC
@@elalemanpaisa That wasn't the point. My point was just to say hey USB4 is awesome, it opens the computer up to more performance. Most mini PCs still ship with USB 3.2 USB-C ports only. Also 3D rendering / AI tasks will all benefit with a graphics card like that, not just gaming.
@@joseph-montanez for that you wouldn't use a 10series man those suck for everything apart from gaming to some degree and even here the iGPU is not that far off that there would any valid point in doing so
@@elalemanpaisa Because USB4 has with the same PCI lanes as Thunderbolt 3 (2 PCI lanes unless USB4x3), there is no reason to go higher than the 10-series, maybe the 20-series. There just isn't enough throughput, to take advantage of the graphics card. The 1070 TI has 8GB RAM and around $100 so it's a really good balance and specific to 3D rendering does a crazy good job compared to the built-in AMD iGPU, since there are Nvidia specific acceleration in software like Blender 3D. The AMD version of Cuda (HIP) in software like Blender 3D still is not as performant. The 1070 TI with its 8GB is also enough to run AI workloads with software like Ollama since the AMD/HIP/ROCm implementation is still not supported on Windows.
Great to see you do pc builds, many channels focus on gaming and not on illustration or animation
Looks like you’re having fun; keep that energy! 👍🏽
12:20 also consider the ventilation of dust in cases. Better to have intake holes at the front the case and the dirt gets pushed to the far back of the case
Brad, how many mini pcs do you have now? Do we need to schedule an intervention?
I CAN STOP ANYTIME!!!
but for real, I think I'm done now 😂
Always build your own PC, it is alot easier then people think, and with all the tutorials online, you cant really go wrong. You get to spec it out to your needs & budget and above all the sense if satisfaction you get is well worth it.
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Get what you saying for sure but it's easier said than done and with how prices vary around the globe it'll cost me an arm and leg
@@sauzy0 yes however you will expandability for the next ten years. We are now at the point of diminishing returns with the newer computer parts
Agreed.
Beautiful video as always! I have an 1165g7 intel I7 version of those miniPCs, with 16 gigs of ram and a 1tb ssd, and it breezes trough anything I throw at it. I do 11x17 in comics at 600 dpi and use sketchup with complex backgrounds, no lag at all. Word of advice about that Huion Kamvas 16 Pro: I had several friends buy it and with less than a year the screen starts to turn purple until it dies on you. Maybe it was a bad batch, but I only say it because it wasn't just one or two cases around me.
Maybe a thing of the 16 models? Or... if they get carried around too often, dunno. I have an old Kamvas 22 (non plus, so, the old one) and no purple stuff (I have it color calibrated by hardware, even) and it has not died. True that I use it only occasionally, even if I have it since some years. As I prefer classic (wacom only) pen tablets. I'm curious... do you use SAI for a chance...? that thing literally flies on any hardware; I don't know how he did it, really... Anyway that cpu, igpu and RAM are enough to run krita and clip studio, too. Dunno with Photoshop latest version... but maybe does OK?
@@3polygons yep, it was specific for that 16 pro model. One of my friends took it to a tv/monitor repair shop and he basically said it was a defect on the lcd panel itself. Since it didn't have warranty in Brazil back then, he had to bite the bullet and just accept defeat on that one.
@@rafaelloureiro9109 Heck. That's one of the reasons why I opted for pen tablets vs pen displays... a pen display has too much tech that can fail in a single device, and if a monitor, or a pen tablet fails, is less cost at a time to replace... Other reasons are ergonomics, that I am used to hand-screen coordination, and price/value, but I am a very, very weird and unusual case. It is quite a pain to have such an useful device go the way of the dodo on you, I hope he got later something more durable. This story makes me suspect of my old Kamvas 22, if at some point I start to use it more, or move it more (I move houses twice a year, and the issue has not showed up yet, but who knows...)
If you have a Samsung phone with Dex, the XP Pen works really well together with it on apps like Infinite Painter
WOW! What a great concept for a video! If I hadn't already built my own PC, this would have been perfect. My only reason for my setup is needing a decent graphics card for gaming.
The new galaxy book 5 360 has me interested
When are you gonna do a video in brads art school?
I think I'm retiring that channel because I don't know how to make money on it without selling my soul 😂
Okay, I think your PC build is nice but best bang for buck... I suggest Same, Cheap Case, Power Supply, Drive and replace CPU with Ryzen 7 7800g and ($268) and ASUS ProArt B650-Creator Motherboard ($230), Crucial Pro DDR5 32gb kit ($115) and forego the GPU. This comes up to about ~$855. I'd throw in a cheap sRGB monitor like this Sceptre New 27-inch Gaming Monitor (E275W-FW100T) for extra screen space, which will improve workflow. Which will bring up the price to ~$970. I think this would be a better use of the money, in my opinion. It also gives you a better upgrade path as it is a full ATX AM5 motherboard which should be supported with new CPUs for years.
I have 2 set ups for myself, my main PC and X-Pen Artist 24 Inch, and my portable setup which is my MSI Creator laptop with a Huion Kamvas 13 that was literally thrown away to an ewaste place even though it still works fine, only issue is that the screen likes to attempt to detach itself, adhesive seems to suck.
My Huion is older than this one, and still works GREAT! My only issue is the 1080p resolution messes up my desktop monitor ( which is 1440p).
Super helpful, Brad! Thank you! I will share this video with my students.
Nice! Thanks Krishna!
Ok, now a laptop and an XP pen... I want to see that combo under 799 dollar
Do u think once arm for windows gets pretty good some pen displays will become all in one devices?
Please accept my challenge make a setup with Galaxy Tab A9 and any active stylus
it is officially a tech channel now lol
Can you please guide which is better for illustration purposes, ipad or Tab s8 ultra?
Couldn't you also buy a like, mid range laptop, for around that price?
Yeah totally. Heck you're getting into Macbook air territory there. You can probably still find good ones with older 30 series GPUs at that price point too.
a lot of lenovo ideapads have screens that can do AES1.0.
It's fun to go into department stores and pawn shops with a wacom bamboo stylus and seeing which ones have active pen digitisation
and aes 2.0 even secretly, they dont advertise it but you can get tilt with the right pen even though lenovo doesnt advertise it officially.@@Biaanca5036
Tape the mini PC on the back of your Display Tablet, and you get a budget Cintiq Companion
Brad, could you try out AMD's Virtual Super Resolution with tablets that doesn't offer that high of a resolution out of the box? The said Huion tablet with just 1080p output can hit 4K with VSR.
can you make a video of the best pen displays with TOUCH, ? i noticed a lot of people like the hand gestures including my self, over having to have the keyboard ready to make adjustments while drawing faster.
That's not a bad idea
How would you compare the drawing experience of a buget pc + drawing tablet setup with a buget ipad (maybe the 9th gen ipad) + apple pencil?
What do you think is the best 2 in 1 laptops, for drawing and animation?
Brad did you ever tryed daz 3d ? For manga or comics ?
i wouldn't recommand the huion kamvas 16 pro but rather the non pro version that was released a couple years ago.. while we trade the aluminium for plastic and the touch strip for two buttons, it's just as good, and unlike the pro version, it can be plugged on the pc with only one usb type c cable.
That's a really good point.
im just replying cause the information is useful and people should see it lol. The less cables the better
@@theinktician thanks
Is this all good for video editing and 3d designing?
Where you will see a difference is in rendering video or rendering 3d models. As far as editing those things you will be fine without a GPU, but having one really speeds up those tasks.
@@thebradcolbow thanks sir!.....good day!😀
Editing with Davinci Resolve bases heavily on a GPU, if you get the 300$ paid version: this one requires to have enough VRAM and be a good nvidia card (performance is much lower with AMD cards, sadly) if you are editing video in high res (4k, 6k, etc) and using many effects and layers, that is, mostly for the rendering stage. But the free version is mostly based on CPU. In davinci, the CPU is not much of a factor, both main brands will do, but with Premiere, you are is much better off with an intel processor for how it uses the integrated iGPU that intel ones have in most skus (but don't get the i9s of 13th or 14th generation; those are problematic), mainly all the intels that don't end with an "F", like a 13400F (no iGPU). As that integrated gives a huge advantage to intel over ryzen, specifically and only with A. Premiere. In this editing software, though, in rendering/export the gpu doesn't matter, but a GPU helps while editing in making it more snappy. With other video editors, tends to be required a good balance of both computer parts.
For 3D, many apps use now GPU acceleration. Blender and many other apps can now use the card to accelerate what happens on the viewport, while editing ( with Eevee), making the workflow a lot faster, as you can see everything as if it was rendered while editing. For rendering it is very important, too. Not every scene can be rendered with GPU, though, depends on specific render features.
But if you plan for example on 3D rendering a lot on Blender using the GPU for it, and Optix (nvidia's feature that renders a lot faster than the older nvidia's CUDA) , then I'd say, put more money on the GPU, and choose Nvidia. Still, a PC must be balanced, you can't use a too low CPU, as then it will be a bottleneck, and the GPU capability will mostly remain unused. But for example, to use predominantly GPU accelerated applications, I'd get a 3060 or 4060ti card (important, these two have 12GB of VRAM and 16GB, respectively. While the new basic 4060 has only 8GB. Important for very complex 3D scenes that could require more than 8 GB VRAM to render them). And then just a mid-low range cpu like an intel 12400/13600k or ryzen 5600/7600/7900 depending on the apps you use and how heavy is your workflow. Like, if like a lot of people, you expect to do quite a few Cycles renders but CPU based, or certain physic simulations, etc, you might be better off getting a Ryzen 7900 or intel 13600k. I'd go for the 7900 in that case (my fav cpu right now for 2D/3D, in value). You can tweak the 7900 in BIOS to get more performance (the PC tower will get hotter and make the cooler and fans trigger more, too, so, it'd be all noisier, but get faster renders. And you can switch things depending on your projects, from time to time. IE, if one month you need to render a small animation, for example).
For a lot of rendering though, the minisforum, beelink or any mini-pc, or even a laptop (same type of "for mobile" CPUs, and cooling limitations) those can get really noisy and hot, take that in consideration. If you do it just casually, small projects, IMO it's fine. I usually tweak in BIOs many settings, as I don't like to have my CPU working at 95C for long hours of renders. I prefer a max of 80 - 85C, but that's me.
Review on redmi pro 5g pls
do they run the Affinity Suite?
Yes!
Yep, Felix is right. Either of these will run it great.
Affinity needs quite to have a discrete GPU, and strongly recommended nvidia, as the amd ones have issues in those apps. For Affinity, I'd go for the typical cheap PC box solution and a basic GPU at least, ideally a 3060 or at least 1650/1660/3050. You have somewhat reduced versions of the suite on the iPad, too (not android).
Brad, Benchmarks are perfect, yet passmark is very specific.
You could also invent your own for your usecase.
What you are saying about Intel Chips is absolutely wrong. The effected chips are the high end top of the line $ 800+ Chips. In general AMD has higher failure rates in the mid range
Good to know!
@@thebradcolbow we can have a little chat to find something what you could use I am more a tekki than an artist (:
Yep, that is true. It's mostly the 13900K and 14900k. But from my experience with a bunch of ryzens (3900X, 4650, 5600G) and some intels (12700, 12400), and from all what I hear from other people, anything like a ryzen 3600, 5600, 4650, or an intel 12400, 12700, 13400, 13600k (a bit overkill for painting, even) are totally fine and it's super rare to get a CPU on these SKUs failing, in both brands. And it's quite unlikely that a current painting app would require more processing than what these CPUs offer.
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iPad Air 😾
First??
13:24 if you decide to not get a graphics card you need to have an processor with intergrated gpu other wise you wouldn't be able to get any signal output to your screen. With intel you always get one but for amd model numbers ending with a "g" are the ones you want.
Not anymore since 7000 series , and also now with the expensive 9000, those all have integrated graphics now. So, the 7600X he mentioned, does have integrated graphics. But yep, for the 5000 series, like the 5600X, then only the "G" ending ones had an APU. And also, the 5600G and etc are always of lower performance (between a 3600 and a 5500) than the "normal" 5600 or 5600X. The 4650G and most desktop 4000 series, besides being just sold in pre-built PCs, had a performance around the 3000 series, in reality. Like, the 4650 is extremely close in performance to a standard 3600. There are many problems with the G versions, though. I would only get those if getting even an old GPU like a 1650 is not possible (much better solution) due to money, or if building a really tiny SFF (small form factor) PC (there are tiny GPUs for that, though, specially 1650s). The G versions have a drastically reduced CPU cache (this is bad for several reasons), no PCIe 4.0 support, and need to use part of the system RAM, as there's no VRAM in a CPU. Which is much slower as a result than a GPU with its DDR6 VRAM and bus speed, etc. So, with a G version you need to actually configure your PC to dedicate from 500MB to 2GB of regular RAM to the CPU graphics, as otherwise, you will have serious problems to run anything with GPU acceleration requiring some memory: Photoshop requires minimum of 2GB of "VRAM". It's doable, though, after certain configuration in your system and in PS's settings, but IMO, it's not really optimal, and you are then really having 14GB of RAM for the system, not 16 (for example). If using apps not heavy on the GPU for painting like SAI or clip studio, then it's totally fine, though. PS does work fine, though, but I have not tested that personally. A ryzen 5500 or 5600 + a 1650 or 1660 would be much better.
Yeah, he didnt mention it - but Im glad you did. The 7600X he got doesnt have one, and I need to add a caveat to you statement about Intel, since someone might get an F series chip and end up with nothing on screen
@@theinktician Wait... You made me doubt.. I actually went now to the AMD's site, in case there was some odd variant. It confirms it, the 7600X has the Radeon graphics in it. Are we talking about the same thing? About intel, yep, the chips with the name ending in "F" don't come with an iGPU, I thought I had written that in my too long comment, but apparently I did so in another comment, not in this one (so, good catch). I believe AMD is going to be using in newer skus a similar naming than the intel F to actually produce chips with and without integrated graphics (surely to make it cost effective for all those not caring about integrated), while I had thought they would just put (bare) integrated graphics in every chip from 7000, 9000 series and whatever comes. But it's good to have the "F" option in both brands.
I just double checked that the 7000 series do have by default the Radeon graphics in (2 cores, 2200 MHz for the 7600X). Is just enough to put graphics on screen, obviously does not replace a decent or even mid-low discrete GPU.
Indeed, was about time that AMD added graphics to all by default. Integrated graphics are super useful for SFFs: tiny PCs where you want to avoid heat and noise, reduce cost for office seats in a company, cheap home PCs, etc. I got a 4650G, 5600G , 5700U (this in an "all in one"), and all are really perfect fits for the needs each family member had, as mainstream non-gaming users really don't need much more, and we had no issues at all. I'm no brand fanatic, though. My laptop has an intel 12700H as it was giving higher benchmark results in the apps I use, back in the day, compared to the AMD competitors it had back then. Now it might be different. And my desktop is a 3900X. I mean, I try to be pretty neutral with brands (I know that it was not mentioned otherwise). Although I detect when some companies' actions are not consumer friendly.
@@theinktician Somehow youtube deleted my comment (due to length or for repeating brand names as then the algo thinks it's commercial spam). But among other things, I mentioned that I double checked (at AMD's site), and the 7600X, (as it is a default now) do get the Radeon graphics. I don't know if is there a very special 7600X version which does not have integrated graphics, though. Yep, I talked about the 'F' thing in intel in another comments' thread, but seems I did not in this one. I think AMD is copying the F thing, or will do so in incoming skus.
budget pc + Huion kamvas 19
It's not a bad idea to invest your money in a drawing tablet instead of the PC. Tablet should last longer.
@@thebradcolbow Yeah