Based in part on Chris’ recommendation, I bought a Reise & Müller e-bike about two years ago from my local e-bike specialty shop, tricked out with all the high end options like this one. It was indeed very expensive, compared to typical e-bikes. But I was intentionally buying this bike as a car replacement, and it has indeed replaced the vast majority of my car trips, and our family has gone from being a two car household to a one car household. For me, the comfort, utility, durability, reliability, and low maintenance needs made this a great choice. If you are shopping for an e-bike to ride occasionally just for fun, R&M might be more expensive than it is worth for that. But if you are in the market for an e-bike as practical transportation, potentially replacing one of your family’s cars, R&M bikes are a great option!
@@ph5915 Almost free after purchase! Family fun! Parental hugely pursued exercise without leaving one's kids at home! HELLO?! HELLO! Totally a family hobby!
As a senior, I’d certainly appreciate that suspension system on my battered body.😄 Easy brakes are nice for arthritic hands, too. Ah, but my SS income can’t afford this right now. 😕 That said, I truly believe that the price of an e-bike is cheaper than cardiac bypass surgery, hey? So I have an e-bike, but just a basic one. No suspension, but it does have hydraulic brakes. It keeps me going and helps my bad knees. I also get some cardio, run errands, and getting out in nature sure helps my mental health.
If you get a suspension seatpost, get one that uses a 4-arm linkage rather than one that just moves up and down (telescoping). I tried one of those telescoping ones because they’re cheaper (~$40) and lighter, but it kept punishing my damaged knee whenever a bump coincided with putting my weight on that leg. That’s because the motion goes completely into shortening the distance between saddle and pedal. It may not be an issue if you don’t put any weight on your pedals. The linkage types move the saddle mostly backwards with some motion downwards. They don’t shock my knees nearly as much, so I think they’re worth the additional cost and weight. Decent ones can often be found for sale just below $100.
I had a bad rear wheel skid on a citibike on an unexpected patch of wet asphalt. I let the brake go and the bike righted itself just in time. A less experienced rider would have fallen. ABS would have been nice in that situation.
SUVization of the bike market is complete. take this model: ultra heavy, ultra motorized, ultra comfy, ultra expensive, ultra revenue-generating, ultra complicated to maintain; it takes everything that's great about bikes and chucks that right out of the window, to keep the race for the fattest, meanest, most ultra everything vehicle going! how truly courageous these companies are, appealing to the eternal 10-year old in every one of us!
Beautiful design with this crack in the middle, as if it was a piece of chocolate that you could split there. And the ABS means to be completely safe from accidents and falls. Really fantastic what the marketing department has put together here. 👍
Based in part on Chris’ recommendation, I bought a Reise & Müller e-bike about two years ago from my local e-bike specialty shop, tricked out with all the high end options like this one. It was indeed very expensive, compared to typical e-bikes. But I was intentionally buying this bike as a car replacement, and it has indeed replaced the vast majority of my car trips, and our family has gone from being a two car household to a one car household. For me, the comfort, utility, durability, reliability, and low maintenance needs made this a great choice. If you are shopping for an e-bike to ride occasionally just for fun, R&M might be more expensive than it is worth for that. But if you are in the market for an e-bike as practical transportation, potentially replacing one of your family’s cars, R&M bikes are a great option!
@@zapaholic That's the number I kind of had in my head. I paid 4k (Can) for my Trek Verve+2 ebike as a car replacement and it's easily paid for itself over the years.
To all about to complain about the price, consider: - this is ~10% of the up-front cost price of a luxury vehicle, and FAR less in on-going costs. - whoever buys this may now mostly or completely ride a bike instead of that car - money goes to what seems like one of the most ethical bike companies instead of a car company - supports the tech, should come down in price and models later
AAA says that typical car in 2024 costs $1100 per month to own. Depreciation, loan, insurance, license, maintenance, gas etc. 12 x 1100 = $13,200/year.
@@gordonmorrow4720 Indeed, the total annual personal cost of vehicle ownership is not just very high, but also NOT well known and understood by many. I don't know the numbers for a budget or used, reliable smaller vehicle, but even at half that it's quite high This doesn't even count the immense infrastructure costs (paid by everyone's taxes, including those who don't drive, not gas tax) and depressing negative externalities caused by motor vehicles...
Any update on getting the homage 5 to the us? I think propel would be the perfect dealer to bring us the pinion mgu since you guys have 2 brands that carry it!
I think the MGU is still a good year away from being released in the US as they need to get the US testing done and set up their service infrastructure. Definitely looking forward to it though.
I have the prior version of this bike. That’s just a few years old and I wish there was a trade-in program that would allow me to come in and get a new one every three years.
In my experience with a Reise-Mueller e bikeyou get a bike that is well designed and built . More expensive but worth it if you are a high volume cyclist . I have a > 30 mile daily commute in Connecticut . I cycle almost every day unless the snow plows running. I came home last night , in the rain and was very glad to be riding my Reise Mueller It happens to be a nevo w a belt drive and when all was said and done I paid $7,500. It is worth it. The lights are incredibly good. The ride is smooth and steady. The kick stand works even when I overload the panniers . The shifting is great. This is my third e bike my first was a Raleigh and then I had a custom kit bike during covid but they both needed chains replaced as well as cassettes every couple thousand miles . They were quite expensive to maintain . With a reise mueller you get what you pay for. I have 6,500 miles on mine and I love it even (especially)in a pitch black rainy. night ride. I hardly use my car and we are thinking of becoming a 1 vehicle family.
@ I use a Rockshox Reverb AXS electronic dropper seatpost on the road. Instead of jumping off the saddle when I come to stop, I stay on the saddle and just lower the seatpost. It is a lot easier.
I have the Reverb AXS electronic dropper seatpost on my recently purchased Riese and Muller Homage and really feel it's a major safety device to lower the post and saddle at a stop sign or whenever getting off the bike. I prefer the AXS because it's a button, rather than a lever...and is quick and convenient to use. I also added the Trek CarBack Radar to by rear MIK Bontrager Trunk Bag. The CarBack product is VERY helpful when riding on city streets and provides an alert and visual notification (on my handlebar attached cellphone) when cars are approaching. The CarBack has a highly visible blinking rear light too!
Yeah, it's definitely got some weight to it! That's part of what makes it feel so solid, though. Not ideal if you need to lift it often but riding it's really great.
The Homage is approximately 70 lbs, but feels solid, safe, controlled, comfortable and planted to the road. I love it.. The bike is is not difficult to peddle with ECO assist, ( the lowest level of motor assistance)....and when riding streets on flat or slightly downhill.... I touch the conveniently located left thumb control to switch to OFF. Now, I am constantly changing assistance modes intuitively, and without looking, between the levels of motor assist modes..... with my goal..... of getting excersise, but able to travel longer distances. The included Bosch Bicycle computer really helps mointor personal fitness goals.
I believe they are starting to phase in the shifting interface on all the Rohloff bikes. Its not available from the factory with automatic, but we could retrofit one.
I actually think the Homage looks better than the Delite. Nice to see that it's spec'd with Rohloff. Can't imagine specing an Enviolo twist on something this expensive.
We need hyper expensive, ultra luxurious models like these. How else are rich people going to be compelled to enter the PEV space? They will bring capital and public intrigue that will develop the space further and lead to more widespread and inexpensive options.
To lower the price maybe they could get Bajaj to manufacture them. I have a 390 Bajaj motorcycle that has all these features and more, 40 horsepower, and the price was about 40% less than the Homage.
It looks like a suspension system for sure. What about a turn signal, or ability to haul a tag-a-long, or kids seat. The 20K weight limit on rear is a bit low, only 2 peddle assist were mentioned? The lower motor assembly looks sloppy, where mud and moisture can stick vital areas of motor. I expect a >7K$ bike to fill those basic requirements. Clearly an option for entry level e-bike user with more money. Such a shame to waste a great drive motor and auto shift combo on.
Love the Homage. $8000+ though? No thanks. Could buy a top of the line Vespa for that price. Vespa is way more fun. No range anxiety and highway driving possible. Anything above $3500 for an ebike is just ridiculous.
Sorry, but I find this bike but ugly. The designer of the frame is not unusual. It's strange. I don't know what they're asking for this bike, but you can bet it's 3 to 4 times more than other bikes on the market that have better performance.
Based in part on Chris’ recommendation, I bought a Reise & Müller e-bike about two years ago from my local e-bike specialty shop, tricked out with all the high end options like this one. It was indeed very expensive, compared to typical e-bikes. But I was intentionally buying this bike as a car replacement, and it has indeed replaced the vast majority of my car trips, and our family has gone from being a two car household to a one car household. For me, the comfort, utility, durability, reliability, and low maintenance needs made this a great choice.
If you are shopping for an e-bike to ride occasionally just for fun, R&M might be more expensive than it is worth for that. But if you are in the market for an e-bike as practical transportation, potentially replacing one of your family’s cars, R&M bikes are a great option!
Wow, R&M really make some stand out bikes! Amazing technology!
They are pretty sharp!
@@Propelbikes They are as much as used cars though! Ack! 🤣
@@ph5915 Almost free after purchase! Family fun! Parental hugely pursued exercise without leaving one's kids at home! HELLO?! HELLO!
Totally a family hobby!
As a senior, I’d certainly appreciate that suspension system on my battered body.😄 Easy brakes are nice for arthritic hands, too. Ah, but my SS income can’t afford this right now. 😕 That said, I truly believe that the price of an e-bike is cheaper than cardiac bypass surgery, hey? So I have an e-bike, but just a basic one. No suspension, but it does have hydraulic brakes. It keeps me going and helps my bad knees. I also get some cardio, run errands, and getting out in nature sure helps my mental health.
You could consider adding a suspension seatpost which might help
If you get a suspension seatpost, get one that uses a 4-arm linkage rather than one that just moves up and down (telescoping).
I tried one of those telescoping ones because they’re cheaper (~$40) and lighter, but it kept punishing my damaged knee whenever a bump coincided with putting my weight on that leg. That’s because the motion goes completely into shortening the distance between saddle and pedal. It may not be an issue if you don’t put any weight on your pedals.
The linkage types move the saddle mostly backwards with some motion downwards. They don’t shock my knees nearly as much, so I think they’re worth the additional cost and weight. Decent ones can often be found for sale just below $100.
Beautiful bike. Looks well crafted.
I had a bad rear wheel skid on a citibike on an unexpected patch of wet asphalt. I let the brake go and the bike righted itself just in time. A less experienced rider would have fallen. ABS would have been nice in that situation.
SUVization of the bike market is complete. take this model: ultra heavy, ultra motorized, ultra comfy, ultra expensive, ultra revenue-generating, ultra complicated to maintain; it takes everything that's great about bikes and chucks that right out of the window, to keep the race for the fattest, meanest, most ultra everything vehicle going! how truly courageous these companies are, appealing to the eternal 10-year old in every one of us!
Beautiful design with this crack in the middle, as if it was a piece of chocolate that you could split there. And the ABS means to be completely safe from accidents and falls. Really fantastic what the marketing department has put together here. 👍
It's the Mercedes Benz of bicycles. Probably cost as much too.
$8.2 K to $10.6 😯
It doesn’t but it’s only for one person
Will the repairs be like a MB?
Based in part on Chris’ recommendation, I bought a Reise & Müller e-bike about two years ago from my local e-bike specialty shop, tricked out with all the high end options like this one. It was indeed very expensive, compared to typical e-bikes. But I was intentionally buying this bike as a car replacement, and it has indeed replaced the vast majority of my car trips, and our family has gone from being a two car household to a one car household. For me, the comfort, utility, durability, reliability, and low maintenance needs made this a great choice.
If you are shopping for an e-bike to ride occasionally just for fun, R&M might be more expensive than it is worth for that. But if you are in the market for an e-bike as practical transportation, potentially replacing one of your family’s cars, R&M bikes are a great option!
@@zapaholic That's the number I kind of had in my head. I paid 4k (Can) for my Trek Verve+2 ebike as a car replacement and it's easily paid for itself over the years.
To all about to complain about the price, consider:
- this is ~10% of the up-front cost price of a luxury vehicle, and FAR less in on-going costs.
- whoever buys this may now mostly or completely ride a bike instead of that car
- money goes to what seems like one of the most ethical bike companies instead of a car company
- supports the tech, should come down in price and models later
AAA says that typical car in 2024 costs $1100 per month to own. Depreciation, loan, insurance, license, maintenance, gas etc. 12 x 1100 = $13,200/year.
@@gordonmorrow4720 Indeed, the total annual personal cost of vehicle ownership is not just very high, but also NOT well known and understood by many. I don't know the numbers for a budget or used, reliable smaller vehicle, but even at half that it's quite high
This doesn't even count the immense infrastructure costs (paid by everyone's taxes, including those who don't drive, not gas tax) and depressing negative externalities caused by motor vehicles...
More like, supports Bosch with proprietary everything.
And 5x the cost of a good ebike
You could stress that the dropper makes sharing the bike in a family easier.
Any update on getting the homage 5 to the us? I think propel would be the perfect dealer to bring us the pinion mgu since you guys have 2 brands that carry it!
I think the MGU is still a good year away from being released in the US as they need to get the US testing done and set up their service infrastructure. Definitely looking forward to it though.
I have the prior version of this bike. That’s just a few years old and I wish there was a trade-in program that would allow me to come in and get a new one every three years.
I already bought my ebike but I remember when I was first looking that I did look at Riese and Muller.. They are really good bikes..
In my experience with a Reise-Mueller e bikeyou get a bike that is well designed and built . More expensive but worth it if you are a high volume cyclist . I have a > 30 mile daily commute in Connecticut . I cycle almost every day unless the snow plows running. I came home last night , in the rain and was very glad to be riding my Reise Mueller
It happens to be a nevo w a belt drive and when all was said and done I paid $7,500.
It is worth it. The lights are incredibly good. The ride is smooth and steady. The kick stand works even when I overload the panniers . The shifting is great.
This is my third e bike my first was a Raleigh and then I had a custom kit bike during covid but they both needed chains replaced as well as cassettes every couple thousand miles . They were quite expensive to maintain .
With a reise mueller you get what you pay for.
I have 6,500 miles on mine and I love it even (especially)in a pitch black rainy. night ride.
I hardly use my car and we are thinking of becoming a 1 vehicle family.
it is called a dropper seatpost, not a lowerable saddle.
Yes, you're right but R&M calls it that and for most people they aren't using it the same way a normal dropper post would be used.
@ I use a Rockshox Reverb AXS electronic dropper seatpost on the road. Instead of jumping off the saddle when I come to stop, I stay on the saddle and just lower the seatpost. It is a lot easier.
I have the Reverb AXS electronic dropper seatpost on my recently purchased Riese and Muller Homage and really feel it's a major safety device to lower the post and saddle at a stop sign or whenever getting off the bike. I prefer the AXS because it's a button, rather than a lever...and is quick and convenient to use.
I also added the Trek CarBack Radar to by rear MIK Bontrager Trunk Bag. The CarBack product is VERY helpful when riding on city streets and provides an alert and visual notification (on my handlebar attached cellphone) when cars are approaching. The CarBack has a highly visible blinking rear light too!
Looks like a lot of fun to test ride. It must weigh a ton.
Yeah, it's definitely got some weight to it! That's part of what makes it feel so solid, though. Not ideal if you need to lift it often but riding it's really great.
The Homage is approximately 70 lbs, but feels solid, safe, controlled, comfortable and planted to the road. I love it..
The bike is is not difficult to peddle with ECO assist, ( the lowest level of motor assistance)....and when riding streets on flat or slightly downhill.... I touch the conveniently located left thumb control to switch to OFF.
Now, I am constantly changing assistance modes intuitively, and without looking, between the levels of motor assist modes..... with my goal..... of getting excersise, but able to travel longer distances.
The included Bosch Bicycle computer really helps mointor personal fitness goals.
Does it come with the new rhloff shifter? Can you get enviolo automatic high speed?
I believe they are starting to phase in the shifting interface on all the Rohloff bikes. Its not available from the factory with automatic, but we could retrofit one.
I actually think the Homage looks better than the Delite.
Nice to see that it's spec'd with Rohloff. Can't imagine specing an Enviolo twist on something this expensive.
am i the only one dispaoointed how little you can carry on the rear rack. it gave the impression of being more solid
This May Bee The BMW Of Cycling.
With these fenders, can it takes studded tires (for Montréal's winters...)?
WOW!
An E-assist bicycle that has actually reached developmental maturity!
A beyond anything else, beautifully successful product!
WOW!!!
Its pretty wild where they went with it right?!
Nice wheels... Want it!
how come we never talk about price and availability 😮
❤❤❤
Just to bad you need an armed guard to keep it from being stolen. Having to lock and chain the bike for every stop is a pain.
Ever so, even for cheap bikes too!!!
Put an air tag in it and a GPS tracked sticker on it. ☮️
@@ninetendopesaitama2107 just to have to worry all the time leaving an $8000 bike at the curb
@@RogierYou you are right. I have a tracker in my ebike and the sticker but I never leave it in the streets locked up. And it was not 8k. :D
Does it come with air con?
Huh?
Wasn’t the Homage 5 just announced ?
It was anounced and we will certainly plan to review it later this year when it's available.
We need hyper expensive, ultra luxurious models like these. How else are rich people going to be compelled to enter the PEV space? They will bring capital and public intrigue that will develop the space further and lead to more widespread and inexpensive options.
Interesting take. I do hope so.
More plush than fat tire full suspension bikes?
why didn't you talk about the astronomical cost
Did you think an e-bike with all those features would be cheap?
@@BrandtAbsolu Not at all. I just want to know the number without going to the website myself.
Those welds look like war wounds
To lower the price maybe they could get Bajaj to manufacture them. I have a 390 Bajaj motorcycle that has all these features and more, 40 horsepower, and the price was about 40% less than the Homage.
It looks like a suspension system for sure. What about a turn signal, or ability to haul a tag-a-long, or kids seat. The 20K weight limit on rear is a bit low, only 2 peddle assist were mentioned? The lower motor assembly looks sloppy, where mud and moisture can stick vital areas of motor. I expect a >7K$ bike to fill those basic requirements. Clearly an option for entry level e-bike user with more money. Such a shame to waste a great drive motor and auto shift combo on.
Great features but I find the bikes from this brand to be an acquired taste aesthetically. That and I could get a motorcycle for similar cost.
Love the Homage. $8000+ though? No thanks. Could buy a top of the line Vespa for that price. Vespa is way more fun. No range anxiety and highway driving possible. Anything above $3500 for an ebike is just ridiculous.
Sorry, but I find this bike but ugly. The designer of the frame is not unusual. It's strange. I don't know what they're asking for this bike, but you can bet it's 3 to 4 times more than other bikes on the market that have better performance.
what ever happened to a bike....they are getting stupid like cars
But! Practically free COMPARED to operation costs of car ownership!!!
Isn't the option to buy whatever you like a good thing?
@@cadriver2570 No, too much choice will lead to anarchy.
It's pronounced "aamuhj" sometimes "amij." At least drop the H...