I have this exact bike with dual batteries, Rolhoff, and ABS. Pick up my daughter from school every day (13 miles round trip) and use it for every errand and grocery run that doesn't require me to get on the highway. We've been able to go down to one car as a family of 4. This bike has been life-changing.
Right on! Wake up, America! Every 13-mile trip would be hugely enjoyable compared to any car! Two Rohloff hub delta planform recumbent trikes here (senior, limited-mobility handicapper here) Hase Lepus for single rider IS everything to me!
What a fantastic setup! The Load75 with dual batteries, Rohloff, and ABS sounds perfect for daily commutes and errands. It's inspiring to hear how it's helped your family go down to one car. E-bikes like these really can change the way we live day-to-day. Thanks for sharing your experience-it's great to hear how the bike is making such a difference!
I’m on my last day of a 2,300-mile bike tour of the US West Coast on my Load4 60. I could not be more impressed with how the Load did on this trip. Even carrying 45-50 lbs of camping gear, it handles amazingly, and the range using the new Auto mode is impressive. Could not recommend it enough.
What an incredible journey!!! A 2,300-mile tour -now that’s inspiring. It’s amazing to hear how well it handled with all that gear and that you were able to get great range in Auto mode. Thanks for sharing your experience, and huge congrats on completing such an epic trip!
I have a previous version Load 75 and can confirm that it's so easy to ride. Very smooth and easy to maneuver. It probably took me a day or two to get comfortable turning, particularly at low speeds. That's it. Strongly recommend.
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's awesome to hear that you're finding it so smooth and easy to maneuver. Those low-speed turns can be a bit tricky at first, but once you get the feel, it really becomes second nature.
I’m a big cargo bike fan, I have a lot of experience with riding lots of them. From Bullit to urban arrow. I mist say it is not hard, just needs a little getting used to. However if you can try or buy the Riese Müller Packster, that thing rides absolutely awesome! Because of the steer by wire, the low centre of gravity and how short the wheel base is, it drives SO EASY. I have this bike and I absolutely love it!
It sounds like you’re a true cargo bike enthusiast! Great point about needing just a little time to get used to riding them-once you do, it opens up so many possibilities. The Riese & Müller Packster is definitely a favorite for many, with its steer-by-wire and low center of gravity making it such a smooth ride
Had this in Australia and sold it recently as I moved to NYC. Have an order placed for a Vello SUB 3x3 Special Edition. Loved the Load and put 2000 miles in less than a year on it. It just requires in my view a proper bike storage which is rare in NYC.
Wow, 2,000 miles in under a year-that’s some serious riding! The Load clearly served you well. The Vello SUB 3x3 Special Edition sounds like an exciting new ride! I totally understand the need for proper storage in NYC; it can be tricky to find, especially for larger cargo bikes. There are definitely a few ways to make it work- If you haven't already, feel free to check out Cargobikemomma's videos on this on instagram! She has some awesome tips on how to store cargo bikes in NYC.
I've had my Load4 75 HS for 15 months now, and put over 7300 miles on it. Commuter, grocery getter, errand runner. Sometimes i just take it out for fun rides. It really is a blast to ride.
I have the Load4 Touring HS with high sides and the fabric cover and use it as a cargo carrier. Tucson is very spread out but I can easily do my list of errands covering 30+ miles using one battery. I average around 22mph so it's not much slower than a car. Streets here are really rough so the suspension is great. I rode a number of front loaders before buying the Load, but there's really nothing else like it. So far the only changes I've made from stock are a different seat and clipless pedals.
I have a Metrofiets front loader which is even longer than the 75 and while it is a yacht of a bike it is a lot of fun to ride. Leaning a long bike like this into a sharp and fast turn is so much fun once you get confident with it.
I use the load 75 Rohloff now for 3 years for my daily commute as car replacement and i have never regret my invest so far :) The driving behavior is much better than people think and also more agile than tricycles. Even during emergency breaking the load keeps completely stable. (also at 75km/h downhill) However i decided to mod some things like front fork, rear suspension, rims, spokes etc... There is a massive modder community where you can find all kinds of mods for the Load. Its nice to see that they finally replaced the front fork (pev. gen fork was garbage).
I have similarly long Bullitt and it's very stable and easy to ride. Very nice bikes and the Load is really the creme de la creme of these, but there are few negative points that are good to mention if you're buying one: 1. Storing the bike might be a problem. My apartment has a decent bike storage downstairs, but it might take some maneuvering, so measure the doorways before buying! And it definitely does not fit in an elevator or inside most apartments. 2. Traveling with the bike is another problem. You can take a regular bike to a train, but not really these. At least not in my area. 3. Going past tight corners next to a wall is a bit risky, as your front wheel is halfway through, before you can even see through the corner. Always ring a bell first (as you do with any bike). 4. Snow and slush can be a problem for that 20" front wheel as it doesn't go over obstacles as well as a 29" wheel. The bike is super stable even in winter though. There's always some negatives in everything, but I wouldn't give my Bullitt away, except for a trade in to one of these 👌
I got the load75 vario 2020 model and it’s great for hauling kids and just your regular stuff around. I love being able to bring whatever I need with me on the bike. I’m planning on upgrading it with automatic and wireless gears for the winter. As of now the only downside is gears freeze in cold temperatures. Another downside is of course the price which been going up a fair bit since our purchase (and it was really expensive back then too).
The Load75 is definitely a fantastic choice for bikepacking with its sturdy build and cargo capacity. It's great to see it being used for camping adventures. Do you have any bikepacking trips planned or have you been?
80% of my shopping trips are on a bike. I've owned 6 ebikes over nearly 20 years. I've hauled all sorts of things, strapped to a rack, tied to the frame, thrown in a trailer hooked to the bike. I'm pro bike. But... a $10k base price? At less than 1/3 of that, a new Honda XR150L is $3.1k! It sounds a lot like the U.S. government spending $10k on a toilet seat. 😔
I've had a vario65 for two years. It took me a couple of rides to get used to the handling, now it's easy. The main issue with the load area in front is that other people struggle to understand where the front of the bike is. Otherwise I haven't had any problems. My longest trip was about 30 miles, I think the saddle is comfortable for a maximum of 20.
When I got my front loading cargo bike the first 10 min of riding felt strange but then after that it was like riding a normal bike. Larry vs Harry bullitt is my bike of choice! But suspension does sound nice!
I’d love to try a cargo bike like this someday. By I’m genuinely curious… what are the tactics if you get a flat tire or other mechanical issue when out on a sortie with a bike like this? I feel limited to bikes I could fit into my Golf if I needed to pick it up somewhere. Interested to hear experiences.
The tires are generally beefy enough that you just don't worry about it honestly, with the center stand deployed it's easy enough to pop a wheel out of most longjohns though. Here in Canada we have BCAA that has bike assistance too, think of it more as "what would I do if I had a mechanical issue on a motorcycle?" and that's the options if you're not carrying tools.
I hope I can trade in my 1st version of load4 75 for the new load4 75 with ABS. I got mine last year with 8900 miles already my daily ride rain or shine for all trips
I've watched a lot of detailed videos on this bike, but few focus on comparing it to similar bikes, usually just noting that the Load has full suspension and most other bikes like it don't. Now that R&M have introduced other full suspension cargo bikes like the Packster CT, and other cargo bikes like the Carrie, as well as different sizes of cargo boxes for these bikes, there are more options and more overlap making each bike more capable but making it harder to choose between them. It's difficult to learn what role each of these different cargo bikes is best for, at least through video without doing test riding ourselves. Most reviewers seem to prefer the Load over other cargo bikes, but it was the only one with full suspension until recently, and the one thorough comparative review video on UA-cam I'm aware of, by Chelsea Blacker, preferred the Packster. I don't think one is better, they're clearly made for different roles, but it's hard to understand what different purposes they best serve. This channel could do some great comparison videos to help people narrow down their choices. I'm sure my questions could be answered if I came into the shop, but I'm not ready yet. I don't even know if a frontloader is the right kind of cargo e-bike for me. You have the knowledge to answer questions like the following-please don't feel the need to answer all these questions here! I'm hoping this might help you write future videos. What I understand is that the Load is more "sporty", but I don't really understand what that means (more responsive?) The Packster now has full suspension (CT) and maybe that makes it almost on par with the Load? I also hear the Packster is more refined design that's more ergonomic in some ways. Integrated batteries. A different steering system. And the high walls can mean more security for cargo. But the Packster is available with low walls and the Load with high walls, and now there's the Carrie which doesn't have full suspension, but maybe seatpost suspension is good enough. And it has a smaller, shorter lock box and may be a better choice for someone who won't regularly need full cargo capacity. The Packster boxes are made of the extruded plastic foam that some manufacturers claim provides additional safety in a major crash. Safety advantage for Packster? Is the Packster better for high box use compared to the Load? There's a lower center of gravity on the Load, does it make a difference? Does the position of double batteries on the Packster make the center of gravity more competitive, because they're higher (and exposed) on the Load? Maybe that low floor of the Load can be a downside since the bottom is flat and makes passengers have to stick their legs more forward compared to the sunken floor of the Packster box. Also that raised seat brings kids up higher. But can kids see over the front of the Packster box, or does it block their front view compared to the Load? If I'm not carrying anyone or large bulky items, and can fit my cargo in panniers, does a frontloader even make sense? Is a lockable hardtop frontloader a safer way to leave goods with the bike compared to lockable panniers options? Lockbox cargo is appealing for making stops with goods left in the bike, but maybe I'd get a better ride with my cargo spread across panniers and racks or in a small front loader like the Carrie. Does the Load 60’s 6”/15cm shorter cargo box actually make it ride noticeably better, or is it something best avoided if I might ever put kids or larger objects in the more versatile longer cargo box of the 75? Does the Enviolo provide low enough gearing for heavy cargo and steep hills? At what point does the greater gearing range of the Rohloff become a significant advantage? Will I regret not having the 0-20mph torque advantage of the 20mph motors if I go with the 28mph HS version of the Load and rarely go above 20mph? Is ABS available across the different models for more reliable braking performance? I'm not asking you to answer all those questions here. I'd try to get answers before I bought one of these bikes, but now I'm just trying to make the point that reviews of these bikes don't usually directly compare them in detail. They leave someone trying to decide between bikes with many questions. I hope to see more comparisons or comparative reviews of bikes with overlapping ideal uses. Maybe as videos or as a meaty comparison section in future reviews so we know how similar bikes perform differently. For example, if you do a review of the revised Packster CT maybe you'll compare it to the Load4. I probably ought to test ride both the Packster and the Load but I want to narrow down my choices because I probably ought to test ride other bikes, too! It would be nice to figure out a top three before I head to the shop. There are a lot of reviews that go deep into the details of these bikes but it's much rarer to see deep, informed comparisons. Obviously there's more to the differences between the bikes than the obvious one of what box size they come with by default. I love R&M’s features and they have few direct competitors. Ca Go isn't available in the US, and Urban Arrow is large like the Packster and not full suspension and not as high-end (though it's good). Maybe I'd be happy with an Urban Arrow and a good suspension seatpost, I do like the cargo box. I'm also very curious about the new Pinion MGU gearing/drivetrain/motor system R&M is now offering in some of their bikes and how it might affect their cargo bike offerings. It combines appealing features offered with other belt-drive systems with some unique new features. A large high-low gear ratio and electric shifting like the Rohloff, with an automatic shifting mode like the Enviolo. Plus it shifts more weight from the rear wheel to the center. It sounds great on paper, but not as refined, proven, and trusted as the Rohloff, Enviolo, and Bosch motor. Jack of all trades, master of none? I'm really impressed with both of the existing Enviolo and Rohloff options, and there seems to be a clear difference there for which to choose: less active shifting but a shorter gear range with the Enviolo, more active shifting but a larger gear range and some more options with the Rohloff. With price no object, if I'm going off road and want maximum versatility or in a very hilly place I'd go Rohloff for lower gearing, but on more level terrain and especially if I'm carrying kids, animals, letting others ride the bike, or weaving through traffic or going fast I would go with the Enviolo because the automatic CVT means shifting is much less demanding on my attention. I really like that there are both options (and the derailleur, too), and unlike the Load vs. Packster debate it's easy to size up quickly the different roles the transmissions are best suited for. I hope to increase my biking in the future and narrow down my choices. I'd love to eventually buy an R&M from Propel. I would like to be relatively prepared and informed before I come into the shop. I also enjoy watching these videos and learning the details that differentiate different bikes, and I'm particularly interested in these utility cargo e-bikes that can reduce or in some cases eliminate a need for a car. I'm sure having several bikes for different roles is ideal, but with limited budget and storage I'd like to meet my biking needs with one to three bikes. Eventually, maybe I'll have more space and money for more bikes for fun. I didn't mean to write such a long comment, but I think it's better to let it out than hold back. I hope my enthusiasm benefits this comment section. I wrote this for Propel and for the other commenters who may learn from my considerations and what I've learned about the differences between the bikes. Thanks for the video. You've reviewed the Load before but I enjoyed the update. Also I remember you picking out this bike, the Peanut Load (Load of Peanuts?) as one you wanted to get in a previous trade show video and it was fun to see that it happened. Some of the other R&M bikes have also had significant updates in recent years. The Packster especially comes to mind. The short Packster 40 was discontinued, and there was a recall before a revamped Packster, the current model, was reintroduced with new features, most notably the optional full suspension (Control Technology) that makes it more similar to and competitive with the Load.
Let's say, for some reason, you run out of battery mid journey. Are you still able to shift gears on your rohloff gear hub? Is the electronic shifter slaved to the bike's batteries?
On my load (which doesn’t have electronic shifting) cuts the motor before the battery is fully flat. It will leave power for the lights to stay on etc. Does it not do that for the shifting as well?
it does leave a certain percentage of battery for electronic shifting, and lights. The assist will stop while before it will stop shifting. This concept really started with the lights because it could be quite dangerous to get stuck away from home at night without lights. but basically, they extended the same concept for the electronic shifting, and generally, the manufacturer chooses a battery percentage which the motor will stop. It's usually a little under 10% which is plenty to keep your lights on and allow you to shift for several hours.
@@PropelbikesDoes Riese & Muller not offer an older version Rolhoff option with an analog shifter? I know their Enviolo versions have a cable operated shifter (for now), but I live in a city with a lot of hills...
Website says STARTS at $8300 . I’m guessing that after you add all the upgrades it’s close to $10,000 (maybe more). It seems like an awesome bike and for a number of people it’s probably worth it. Just not me. I wish the company luck though.
I love cargo bikes.... With all due respect, starting prices at $10.000 and going up to more then €15.000, for a cargo bike is really outrages, no matter the components. But what the heck, Riese and Muller is and will always be that brand that thinks they are the top of the line when it comes to their bikes. Over here in Europe we know that this is bul****, because the bikes look great but fail in quality control. Ask any respectable bike mechanic in Europe what they think about Riese and Muller.
Almost free after purchase! HUGELY INEXPENSIVE compared to even any fully paid off car ownership!!! BOTH an exercise program AND a beautiful Family hobby!
@@garyseckel295 You are missing the point completely. For the "average Joe" an investment of more than $15.000 is not something you do at the breakfast table! Next, in Europe Riese and Muller has not that reputation you think they have. Yes, they have a very loyal group of customers, but every respectable mechanic in Europe can tell you more than enough horror stories when it comes to quality control. When it comes to warranty claims, after sales support and specific parts, they let the dealers take care of it. But when the dealer needs those specific parts or wants to claim something under warranty, they are pulled into the rabbit hole and many emails, letters and/or phone calls later, still no solution. My uncle was a large Riese and Muller dealer, a good friend of mine too, both of them have nothing good to say. Last but not least, Riese and Muller has made its appearance in a German consumer help TV show many times because of these practices!
Like cars they’re built from OEM components so other than specific frame or wheel issues they’re going to have parts fail. I rode a heap of bikes but landed with R&M as they were the most comfortable, fun to ride and fitted different sized riders.
While NYC is closer to optimal enviroment for using these - I Would love to see an episode featuring real world road/grocert type mission in a more difficult enviroment like Detroit ( spread out , mixed urban /suburban , lots of stroads , ruff road conditions --- especially since your new business project is here - WHY NOT - to model successful use in the Detroit enviroment would say alot about these bikes - just sayin' :)
I don't understand why both Load4 versions are not equipped with 800W batteries, and still use 725W batteries. Another "drawback" I can see is the limited weight capacity of rear rack. Despite that, I am pretty sure that, when my little Packster 40 should be replaced, that will be by a Load 60 with Rohloff !
I know it's not in direct competition but for *10 grand* I can buy a brand new motorcycle, gear, panniers, and a couple years worth of insurance, gas, and parking.
I have this exact bike with dual batteries, Rolhoff, and ABS. Pick up my daughter from school every day (13 miles round trip) and use it for every errand and grocery run that doesn't require me to get on the highway. We've been able to go down to one car as a family of 4. This bike has been life-changing.
Right on! Wake up, America! Every 13-mile trip would be hugely enjoyable compared to any car! Two Rohloff hub delta planform recumbent trikes here (senior, limited-mobility handicapper here) Hase Lepus for single rider IS everything to me!
What a fantastic setup! The Load75 with dual batteries, Rohloff, and ABS sounds perfect for daily commutes and errands. It's inspiring to hear how it's helped your family go down to one car. E-bikes like these really can change the way we live day-to-day. Thanks for sharing your experience-it's great to hear how the bike is making such a difference!
I’m on my last day of a 2,300-mile bike tour of the US West Coast on my Load4 60. I could not be more impressed with how the Load did on this trip. Even carrying 45-50 lbs of camping gear, it handles amazingly, and the range using the new Auto mode is impressive. Could not recommend it enough.
What an incredible journey!!! A 2,300-mile tour -now that’s inspiring. It’s amazing to hear how well it handled with all that gear and that you were able to get great range in Auto mode. Thanks for sharing your experience, and huge congrats on completing such an epic trip!
I have a previous version Load 75 and can confirm that it's so easy to ride. Very smooth and easy to maneuver. It probably took me a day or two to get comfortable turning, particularly at low speeds. That's it. Strongly recommend.
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's awesome to hear that you're finding it so smooth and easy to maneuver. Those low-speed turns can be a bit tricky at first, but once you get the feel, it really becomes second nature.
I’m a big cargo bike fan, I have a lot of experience with riding lots of them. From Bullit to urban arrow. I mist say it is not hard, just needs a little getting used to. However if you can try or buy the Riese Müller Packster, that thing rides absolutely awesome! Because of the steer by wire, the low centre of gravity and how short the wheel base is, it drives SO EASY. I have this bike and I absolutely love it!
It sounds like you’re a true cargo bike enthusiast! Great point about needing just a little time to get used to riding them-once you do, it opens up so many possibilities. The Riese & Müller Packster is definitely a favorite for many, with its steer-by-wire and low center of gravity making it such a smooth ride
Had this in Australia and sold it recently as I moved to NYC. Have an order placed for a Vello SUB 3x3 Special Edition. Loved the Load and put 2000 miles in less than a year on it. It just requires in my view a proper bike storage which is rare in NYC.
Wow, 2,000 miles in under a year-that’s some serious riding! The Load clearly served you well. The Vello SUB 3x3 Special Edition sounds like an exciting new ride! I totally understand the need for proper storage in NYC; it can be tricky to find, especially for larger cargo bikes. There are definitely a few ways to make it work- If you haven't already, feel free to check out Cargobikemomma's videos on this on instagram! She has some awesome tips on how to store cargo bikes in NYC.
I've had my Load4 75 HS for 15 months now, and put over 7300 miles on it. Commuter, grocery getter, errand runner. Sometimes i just take it out for fun rides. It really is a blast to ride.
WOW. That's impressive! It’s awesome to see how versatile the Load4 75 HS has been for you. Thanks for sharing, and here’s to many more miles ahead!
I LOVE cargo bikes!
Cargo bikes are the best, right? Thanks for spreading the love! 🚲💪
I have the Load4 Touring HS with high sides and the fabric cover and use it as a cargo carrier. Tucson is very spread out but I can easily do my list of errands covering 30+ miles using one battery. I average around 22mph so it's not much slower than a car. Streets here are really rough so the suspension is great. I rode a number of front loaders before buying the Load, but there's really nothing else like it. So far the only changes I've made from stock are a different seat and clipless pedals.
Sounds like you’ve got the perfect setup for tackling Tucson! Thanks for sharing, and enjoy those smooth rides!
Here, Load60 Gen 2 and love it! Can not riding another bike in town. Total car replacement!
It’s amazing how these bikes can truly replace a car for city life. Glad to hear you’re loving it and fully embracing the cargo bike lifestyle. 😀
When my boys were really small we had a Baby Zen Yoyo pram that fit PERFECTLY in the third seat.
Nicest bike I’ve ever ridden. I ended up with a Packster 80 (this was 2017), but I still think about how nice the Load was.
The Load75 really does have a unique ride quality that sticks with you. The Packster 80 is an awesome choice too-both bikes offer great versatility
I have a Metrofiets front loader which is even longer than the 75 and while it is a yacht of a bike it is a lot of fun to ride. Leaning a long bike like this into a sharp and fast turn is so much fun once you get confident with it.
Thanks for this, Propel! I thought the box weight limit was lower than 220lbs?
Also great filming location- red hook right by the water right?
I use the load 75 Rohloff now for 3 years for my daily commute as car replacement and i have never regret my invest so far :)
The driving behavior is much better than people think and also more agile than tricycles. Even during emergency breaking the load keeps completely stable. (also at 75km/h downhill)
However i decided to mod some things like front fork, rear suspension, rims, spokes etc... There is a massive modder community where you can find all kinds of mods for the Load.
Its nice to see that they finally replaced the front fork (pev. gen fork was garbage).
I have similarly long Bullitt and it's very stable and easy to ride. Very nice bikes and the Load is really the creme de la creme of these, but there are few negative points that are good to mention if you're buying one:
1. Storing the bike might be a problem. My apartment has a decent bike storage downstairs, but it might take some maneuvering, so measure the doorways before buying! And it definitely does not fit in an elevator or inside most apartments.
2. Traveling with the bike is another problem. You can take a regular bike to a train, but not really these. At least not in my area.
3. Going past tight corners next to a wall is a bit risky, as your front wheel is halfway through, before you can even see through the corner. Always ring a bell first (as you do with any bike).
4. Snow and slush can be a problem for that 20" front wheel as it doesn't go over obstacles as well as a 29" wheel. The bike is super stable even in winter though.
There's always some negatives in everything, but I wouldn't give my Bullitt away, except for a trade in to one of these 👌
I got the load75 vario 2020 model and it’s great for hauling kids and just your regular stuff around. I love being able to bring whatever I need with me on the bike. I’m planning on upgrading it with automatic and wireless gears for the winter. As of now the only downside is gears freeze in cold temperatures. Another downside is of course the price which been going up a fair bit since our purchase (and it was really expensive back then too).
I'm a bit jealous of the guy that's camping with the bike. They look like they'd make a great bikepacking bike
The Load75 is definitely a fantastic choice for bikepacking with its sturdy build and cargo capacity. It's great to see it being used for camping adventures. Do you have any bikepacking trips planned or have you been?
80% of my shopping trips are on a bike. I've owned 6 ebikes over nearly 20 years. I've hauled all sorts of things, strapped to a rack, tied to the frame, thrown in a trailer hooked to the bike.
I'm pro bike.
But... a $10k base price? At less than 1/3 of that, a new Honda XR150L is $3.1k! It sounds a lot like the U.S. government spending $10k on a toilet seat. 😔
I get both views. It's the best cargo bike on the market, so they're able to command that price. On the other hand, it's expensive.
Hi, is the new Pinion MGU version going to be adapted to the Load (as they have with the Homage and Delite / super Delite)?
@propel, Have you had the opportunity to review the Oonee Bike Pods in NYC? Would be great to get your take on that as well. 👍
I've had a vario65 for two years. It took me a couple of rides to get used to the handling, now it's easy. The main issue with the load area in front is that other people struggle to understand where the front of the bike is. Otherwise I haven't had any problems.
My longest trip was about 30 miles, I think the saddle is comfortable for a maximum of 20.
When I got my front loading cargo bike the first 10 min of riding felt strange but then after that it was like riding a normal bike. Larry vs Harry bullitt is my bike of choice! But suspension does sound nice!
I’d love to try a cargo bike like this someday. By I’m genuinely curious… what are the tactics if you get a flat tire or other mechanical issue when out on a sortie with a bike like this? I feel limited to bikes I could fit into my Golf if I needed to pick it up somewhere. Interested to hear experiences.
The tires are generally beefy enough that you just don't worry about it honestly, with the center stand deployed it's easy enough to pop a wheel out of most longjohns though. Here in Canada we have BCAA that has bike assistance too, think of it more as "what would I do if I had a mechanical issue on a motorcycle?" and that's the options if you're not carrying tools.
Possibly consider solid rubber tires. Cannot get off to fix a flat tire here. Cannot get off my no-balance Hase Lepus trike!
Mine is arriving in two weeks!!!!
very informational..
I hope I can trade in my 1st version of load4 75 for the new load4 75 with ABS. I got mine last year with 8900 miles already my daily ride rain or shine for all trips
If it came with a universal bmx front tire size of 20 x 2.4 I would love it even more.
Nice!
I've watched a lot of detailed videos on this bike, but few focus on comparing it to similar bikes, usually just noting that the Load has full suspension and most other bikes like it don't. Now that R&M have introduced other full suspension cargo bikes like the Packster CT, and other cargo bikes like the Carrie, as well as different sizes of cargo boxes for these bikes, there are more options and more overlap making each bike more capable but making it harder to choose between them. It's difficult to learn what role each of these different cargo bikes is best for, at least through video without doing test riding ourselves.
Most reviewers seem to prefer the Load over other cargo bikes, but it was the only one with full suspension until recently, and the one thorough comparative review video on UA-cam I'm aware of, by Chelsea Blacker, preferred the Packster. I don't think one is better, they're clearly made for different roles, but it's hard to understand what different purposes they best serve.
This channel could do some great comparison videos to help people narrow down their choices. I'm sure my questions could be answered if I came into the shop, but I'm not ready yet. I don't even know if a frontloader is the right kind of cargo e-bike for me. You have the knowledge to answer questions like the following-please don't feel the need to answer all these questions here! I'm hoping this might help you write future videos.
What I understand is that the Load is more "sporty", but I don't really understand what that means (more responsive?) The Packster now has full suspension (CT) and maybe that makes it almost on par with the Load? I also hear the Packster is more refined design that's more ergonomic in some ways. Integrated batteries. A different steering system. And the high walls can mean more security for cargo. But the Packster is available with low walls and the Load with high walls, and now there's the Carrie which doesn't have full suspension, but maybe seatpost suspension is good enough. And it has a smaller, shorter lock box and may be a better choice for someone who won't regularly need full cargo capacity. The Packster boxes are made of the extruded plastic foam that some manufacturers claim provides additional safety in a major crash. Safety advantage for Packster? Is the Packster better for high box use compared to the Load? There's a lower center of gravity on the Load, does it make a difference? Does the position of double batteries on the Packster make the center of gravity more competitive, because they're higher (and exposed) on the Load? Maybe that low floor of the Load can be a downside since the bottom is flat and makes passengers have to stick their legs more forward compared to the sunken floor of the Packster box. Also that raised seat brings kids up higher. But can kids see over the front of the Packster box, or does it block their front view compared to the Load? If I'm not carrying anyone or large bulky items, and can fit my cargo in panniers, does a frontloader even make sense? Is a lockable hardtop frontloader a safer way to leave goods with the bike compared to lockable panniers options? Lockbox cargo is appealing for making stops with goods left in the bike, but maybe I'd get a better ride with my cargo spread across panniers and racks or in a small front loader like the Carrie. Does the Load 60’s 6”/15cm shorter cargo box actually make it ride noticeably better, or is it something best avoided if I might ever put kids or larger objects in the more versatile longer cargo box of the 75? Does the Enviolo provide low enough gearing for heavy cargo and steep hills? At what point does the greater gearing range of the Rohloff become a significant advantage? Will I regret not having the 0-20mph torque advantage of the 20mph motors if I go with the 28mph HS version of the Load and rarely go above 20mph? Is ABS available across the different models for more reliable braking performance?
I'm not asking you to answer all those questions here. I'd try to get answers before I bought one of these bikes, but now I'm just trying to make the point that reviews of these bikes don't usually directly compare them in detail. They leave someone trying to decide between bikes with many questions. I hope to see more comparisons or comparative reviews of bikes with overlapping ideal uses. Maybe as videos or as a meaty comparison section in future reviews so we know how similar bikes perform differently. For example, if you do a review of the revised Packster CT maybe you'll compare it to the Load4. I probably ought to test ride both the Packster and the Load but I want to narrow down my choices because I probably ought to test ride other bikes, too! It would be nice to figure out a top three before I head to the shop. There are a lot of reviews that go deep into the details of these bikes but it's much rarer to see deep, informed comparisons. Obviously there's more to the differences between the bikes than the obvious one of what box size they come with by default.
I love R&M’s features and they have few direct competitors. Ca Go isn't available in the US, and Urban Arrow is large like the Packster and not full suspension and not as high-end (though it's good). Maybe I'd be happy with an Urban Arrow and a good suspension seatpost, I do like the cargo box. I'm also very curious about the new Pinion MGU gearing/drivetrain/motor system R&M is now offering in some of their bikes and how it might affect their cargo bike offerings. It combines appealing features offered with other belt-drive systems with some unique new features. A large high-low gear ratio and electric shifting like the Rohloff, with an automatic shifting mode like the Enviolo. Plus it shifts more weight from the rear wheel to the center. It sounds great on paper, but not as refined, proven, and trusted as the Rohloff, Enviolo, and Bosch motor. Jack of all trades, master of none? I'm really impressed with both of the existing Enviolo and Rohloff options, and there seems to be a clear difference there for which to choose: less active shifting but a shorter gear range with the Enviolo, more active shifting but a larger gear range and some more options with the Rohloff. With price no object, if I'm going off road and want maximum versatility or in a very hilly place I'd go Rohloff for lower gearing, but on more level terrain and especially if I'm carrying kids, animals, letting others ride the bike, or weaving through traffic or going fast I would go with the Enviolo because the automatic CVT means shifting is much less demanding on my attention. I really like that there are both options (and the derailleur, too), and unlike the Load vs. Packster debate it's easy to size up quickly the different roles the transmissions are best suited for.
I hope to increase my biking in the future and narrow down my choices. I'd love to eventually buy an R&M from Propel. I would like to be relatively prepared and informed before I come into the shop. I also enjoy watching these videos and learning the details that differentiate different bikes, and I'm particularly interested in these utility cargo e-bikes that can reduce or in some cases eliminate a need for a car. I'm sure having several bikes for different roles is ideal, but with limited budget and storage I'd like to meet my biking needs with one to three bikes. Eventually, maybe I'll have more space and money for more bikes for fun.
I didn't mean to write such a long comment, but I think it's better to let it out than hold back. I hope my enthusiasm benefits this comment section. I wrote this for Propel and for the other commenters who may learn from my considerations and what I've learned about the differences between the bikes.
Thanks for the video. You've reviewed the Load before but I enjoyed the update. Also I remember you picking out this bike, the Peanut Load (Load of Peanuts?) as one you wanted to get in a previous trade show video and it was fun to see that it happened. Some of the other R&M bikes have also had significant updates in recent years. The Packster especially comes to mind. The short Packster 40 was discontinued, and there was a recall before a revamped Packster, the current model, was reintroduced with new features, most notably the optional full suspension (Control Technology) that makes it more similar to and competitive with the Load.
Still needs a cup holder for my coffee. And a spot for a cage for a water bottle.
Let's say, for some reason, you run out of battery mid journey. Are you still able to shift gears on your rohloff gear hub? Is the electronic shifter slaved to the bike's batteries?
Yep it stays in the same gear - motivation to not push the range 😊
On my load (which doesn’t have electronic shifting) cuts the motor before the battery is fully flat. It will leave power for the lights to stay on etc. Does it not do that for the shifting as well?
it does leave a certain percentage of battery for electronic shifting, and lights. The assist will stop while before it will stop shifting. This concept really started with the lights because it could be quite dangerous to get stuck away from home at night without lights. but basically, they extended the same concept for the electronic shifting, and generally, the manufacturer chooses a battery percentage which the motor will stop. It's usually a little under 10% which is plenty to keep your lights on and allow you to shift for several hours.
@@PropelbikesDoes Riese & Muller not offer an older version Rolhoff option with an analog shifter? I know their Enviolo versions have a cable operated shifter (for now), but I live in a city with a lot of hills...
They don't but we have retrofitted touring versions to the Rohloff system. It's the same programming. The r14 Is eshift so it's different
The cheapest model is over $10K ... this is not affordable ... but it is nice.
It costs 7500 in Germany...you tarifs are insane and there is no alternative in US
It's the top of the top in terms of e-bikes. It's essentially the most expensive and nicest bike on the market.
AAA says average car in USA now costs $1100/month to own. That’s $13,200 per year.
Website says STARTS at $8300 . I’m guessing that after you add all the upgrades it’s close to $10,000 (maybe more).
It seems like an awesome bike and for a number of people it’s probably worth it. Just not me. I wish the company luck though.
"The Load" - Full Dad Mode.
I love cargo bikes....
With all due respect, starting prices at $10.000 and going up to more then €15.000, for a cargo bike is really outrages, no matter the components.
But what the heck, Riese and Muller is and will always be that brand that thinks they are the top of the line when it comes to their bikes.
Over here in Europe we know that this is bul****, because the bikes look great but fail in quality control.
Ask any respectable bike mechanic in Europe what they think about Riese and Muller.
Almost free after purchase!
HUGELY INEXPENSIVE compared to even any fully paid off car ownership!!!
BOTH an exercise program AND a beautiful Family hobby!
@@garyseckel295
You are missing the point completely.
For the "average Joe" an investment of more than $15.000 is not something you do at the breakfast table!
Next, in Europe Riese and Muller has not that reputation you think they have.
Yes, they have a very loyal group of customers, but every respectable mechanic in Europe can tell you more than enough horror stories when it comes to quality control.
When it comes to warranty claims, after sales support and specific parts, they let the dealers take care of it.
But when the dealer needs those specific parts or wants to claim something under warranty, they are pulled into the rabbit hole and many emails, letters and/or phone calls later, still no solution.
My uncle was a large Riese and Muller dealer, a good friend of mine too, both of them have nothing good to say.
Last but not least, Riese and Muller has made its appearance in a German consumer help TV show many times because of these practices!
Isn't urban arrow in the same range?
Like cars they’re built from OEM components so other than specific frame or wheel issues they’re going to have parts fail. I rode a heap of bikes but landed with R&M as they were the most comfortable, fun to ride and fitted different sized riders.
While NYC is closer to optimal enviroment for using these - I Would love to see an episode featuring real world road/grocert type mission in a more difficult enviroment like Detroit ( spread out , mixed urban /suburban , lots of stroads , ruff road conditions --- especially since your new business project is here - WHY NOT - to model successful use in the Detroit enviroment would say alot about these bikes - just sayin' :)
I don't understand why both Load4 versions are not equipped with 800W batteries, and still use 725W batteries.
Another "drawback" I can see is the limited weight capacity of rear rack.
Despite that, I am pretty sure that, when my little Packster 40 should be replaced, that will be by a Load 60 with Rohloff !
Please include details about pricing!!
Go look it up, it varies based on your location and the publish date of the video relative to when you are watching it?
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I know it's not in direct competition but for *10 grand* I can buy a brand new motorcycle, gear, panniers, and a couple years worth of insurance, gas, and parking.