Shotguns in SHTF: Are they a viable option?
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I always tell people, when shtf happens avoid all conflict, survive, and find the good people. It’s not a video game and we will probably end up refugees.
100%
Nobody really knows what SHTF really means. I've been through what some might call that. People watching too many movies like Mad Max or something. Reality is so much different
Yeah, the number of rounds we would ever need to fire, would correlate to the number of rounds we might shot back at us.... at some point one would be dead. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
🇦🇺😎👍Pump action shotguns were outlawed in Australia in 1997 along with all other semiautomatics . Handguns are available in semiautomatic but they are heavily regulated .
You gotta do what you gotta do when you live in countries that treat you like prisoners. Kinda goes full circle for y’all I guess. Keep yourself protected! Just glad I don’t live there. You should look into moving to the US and becoming a citizen.
If you get hit by a Hornady Critical defense 410 shell within 20 feet, you will be dead.
Love my 12ga Short Barrel Shotgun. Started life as a shockwave. Have the magpul forend and stock. Also have the esstac side cards
Definitely like them, just not my go too
Agreed, love my shotguns, used a 500 Series for doors in Iraq, and Afghanistan, stopped doin that shit when they started putting explosives on the other side, kinda when we started going through walls!
Winchester SXP with a Nordic components +1 tube is an underrated setup. Such a smooth and fast action.
Too bad there aren’t any short LOP aftermarket stocks for the SXP
A military saying. Pistols put holes in badguys, rifles put holes through badguys, shotguns take chunks off badguys.
Military didn't say any of that lol
Clint smith said that
Low capacity is over criticized IMO. Outside of .gov door kickers who is going to keep coming after you unleash 5 rounds of 00? Having 5 in the gun and another 5-6 on the gun will solve 99.98 % of your problems.
SG is for inside my home, or immediate area. If fighting in the streets, no I’d take a rifle.
You are assuming you make hits, and it’s you are only against one person. In SHTF I’d imagine it’ll be more than one person and they aren’t standing out in the open for you to get hits. You are coming at the assumption I’m just talking about one home intruder, but I’m talking SHTF/WROL. Unless you are normalcy Norman, then I understand you don’t want to see the writing on the walls
@@NavySoonerI’d say you’re both right. If rule of law stands. And 1, 2, 3 people your typical home invasion. Could be a single person or a few. But it’s not a full platoon assaulting your house. The shot gun might be a good option for 1, 2, 3 retards that picked the wrong house. Especially in my situation having a wife who shoots and a roommate that shoots so I could run a shot gun and it not matter. My house is also layed out in a way that my roommate coming from his room and me coming from mine converging on the front or back doors ends in an intersecting cone of fire. So home defense wise. Got kids? Roomates? House the house laid out? Rule of law or is that gone? Fighting in the street/shtf, rifle. If shtf home defense. Depends. Both are viable options. I don’t think any of us would argue having a rifle and shot gun is better than only one.
Great points in your video. It is a great "all-around" weapon if you're going to be staying home in SHTF for hunting, etc... Definitely not a primary weapon. We live way out in the country on acreage and have family all around us, so we are lucky in that capacity. It wouldn't be the best weapon for bug-out or carrying on foot, for sure. You never know where you will be when SHTF, so I have a couple of options in my truck to get me back home in case I am in town when it happens. A pistol and a 22 rifle. Honestly, the 22 is mostly in case I want to stop and shoot some ground squirrels on the way home, LOL! But it would due as back-up to get me home as well. My primary weapons at home are along the lines of AR's and AK's. I want to put a little talk about the 410 bore. I know it doesn't even compare to the 12 or 20 gauge, but it does have its place. My mother-in-law is 80 years old. The 12 is just too much for her any more. So I bought her a 410 and my wife a 410. To demonstrate how they actually are pretty good, I froze a bunch of gallon size milk jugs. We were at ten paces, the average length of a hallway or good sized living room. We started with the bird shot, then the pellets (one of them had three pellets and one had 9) and then the slugs. The damage was more devastating than I thought they would do.
Love my stoeger 3000,7 in the tube and 1 in the chamber,18 inch barrel ,quick and nimble to get on target
Ty , excellent video.
Even AA skeet loads when shot at typical room or hallway distances will be devistating. Due to the short range, the #8 pellets will not seperate from the shot cup, resulting with the wad and pellets entering the "target" through a single entry wound.
Will it hurt? Yes! Devastating? No! You gotta go watch some ballistics videos
Personally, I'm not big on shotguns. But unfortunately, I live in Illinois, a state with extremely restrictive gun laws. Semi auto long guns are heavily restricted here, with the most useful rifles like ARs and (my preference) AKs being outright banned. Manual operation weapons like bolt, lever and pump actions aren't restricted, so I went with a Mossberg Maverick 88.
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For static home defense a Shotgun is great, but if a person planned on taking it away from home and might have to use it in a firefight then no the shotgun is not the best choice, The capacity and range isn't the issue in my opinion, its because the ammo is heavy and large that takes up a lot of space, carrying even 50 rounds is a burden, where a AR-15 or pistol caliber carbine carrying that same weight of rounds would equal 100 rounds or more
Yes weight is an issues but have fun being faster than the other guy when you’ve shot your magazine empty and the other guy still has half a magazine and faster reloads, and can do it more accurately from a longer stand off distance.
I love my pistol caliber carbines! They are way fun to shoot and cheaper than AR and AK ammo. I still have powder, primers, and bullets from twenty years ago and reload my 9mm (and 38's and 357's) for pennies a round. The 9mm is fun to watch hitting a milk jug full of water at 100m ( I have S&W, Ruger, and Kel Tec PCC's). My Henry lever in 357 is a hoot!!
@@joecitizen6046 No high point carbine?
@@bluemouse5039 Actually, yes I do. Funny story...I bought one back when I was poor for something fun and relatively cheap to shoot. My wife and three kids loved it! A year later I sold it and had a few bucks to add and bought a Marlin Camp Carbine from a friend. My family hated that rifle and begged me to get another hi-point. So I did. Then another year or so later, I thought I would sell it and buy a Kel Tec Sub 2K. They begged me to get the hi-point, again. Then my dad really wanted that one when he was hitting milk jugs at 100m. It had a red dot on it. So I sold that one to him, but I knew better and bought another hi-point. A friend of mine just had to have it because it was so much fun, accurate, and surprisingly reliable. So I sold that one and bought another. I tell people how cheap they are brand new, but they want mine because they know it works. I have since just kept one in the line-up and now have money to buy others without selling the hi-point.
@@joecitizen6046 I own the High Point carbine and a Sub 2000, even though the Kel Tec is supposed to be the better of the two, I prefer the High Point , it feels more comfortable ergonomically when I put it up to the shoulder opposed to the Sub 2000 which feel awkward
You forgot another pro
Drones will most likely be used to drop improvised explosive or to gather intel a shot gun is really good at disabling pesky drones. You see this being used over in Ukraine
Also against body armor they can be very useful especially standing further back due to spread
everyone has a shotgun
yes its viable
Lol someone only replied based on the title of the video. But hey thanks for your snarky comment, you helped the algorithm.
Agreed shotty doesn't make the weapons list for SHTF, it is on a tool list. hunting but so is a bow and arrows, fighting, no, can it be used absolutely, can be down right surgical with one, but thats very application specific
I have a question for the Mossberg What sling do you recommend for the Mossberg Maverick 88?
New subscriber here great video
Biggest issue is size of ammo, it's capacity and the learning curve relative to other systems. Everything else is a matter of deciding what's worth the risk. Anything out to 50 yards is an even fight. Slugs can make it even out to 80. For some they can take it to 100. Outside of that, good luck.
I have used a pump to hunt everything growing up. So it's second nature to use it for defense. 1 shot drops then move to next threat ... 100 yds shots are possible , but I could break contact in that distance and stay alive .
well as you said depends of what you have... bu as some have stated for defence one the best choices ... I have an assortment of scatter guns ... yes of course a rifle too... but my main truck and home guns are 870's
Please make sure you actually train with them. Not saying you don’t, I’m just generalizing. Someone that doesn’t train with them can bumble fuck their way into getting zeroed out real easily.
@@NavySooner yes trained with them mainly house clearing .. when in the service ... but i have also been training with mine and a few other
@@subdawg1331perfect!
If I may, I would like to ask a question. Would the shotgun have any advantage in less than optimal lighting conditions?
No
Look into the defender tactical minishell adapter. Its better than the opsol adapter.
I’m not really interested in minishells
I have a good pile of sunsonic .22.
Don't forget shotguns are great for boats. With the variety of ammo (slug, Dragons Breath, 00 Buck) you can use this "modern-day 'Blunderbuss' to sink or burn down a hostile boat.
In what weird scenario does this play in your head?
I'll stick with my bullpup shotguns. Better than a shockwave for home defense.
Gross, on both bullpups as well as using shotguns for home defense.
@@NavySooner I sure wouldn't want to be shot by one especially at close range.
@@bigbadjohnpesek9894 neither would I but controllability, round count, easy of reload, more reliability puts the AR above a shotgun for home defense imo. Not to mention you can still miss with buck shot. The spread isn’t the width of a hallway at hallway distances.
@@NavySooner that's not the only weapon I have for home defense. I also have a JTS 12 gauge ak. Then there's my siaga ak and my 40 s&w. On my side of the bed. On my wife's side she has my other 12 gauge bullpup and my vz 58. I have other guns but those are our bump in the night guns. So yeah I think we are pretty well protected.
As for reloading my bullpup its just a matter of dropping the mag and inserting a loaded one. Just like the ar. And I keep them loaded with 10 round mags plus if that don't get the job done I have a 20 round drum.
The size and weight of the ammo automatically disqualifies it from a SHTF scenario. Too big and too heavy. People think they're going to be wandering abandoned neighborhoods and finding stray boxes of 12 gauge on top of fridges... not gonna happen. What you have with you is what you'll have for the most part. Have fun carrying a couple hundred rounds of 12 gauge.
Agreed
Get to my real sh#t gun, lol; I hear your brother: ahaha! 😂
Good luck with your hip
Nice custom paint job on your shotgun. I just painted mine.
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CW2 will likely not be trench warfare, nor will it be like CW1, which was more of a conventional war than a civil war.
It would be more like the spanish civil war or the balkans conflicts (except with no foreign intervention to end it).
Otherwise good video. Shotguns are a niche weapon, but in their niche they are great. Also pump guns are cheap enough to be hand-outs in shtf. I would square an AR or two first.
Never said it was going to be the same. However, I’d be willing to be there will be more trench warfare than you think.
@@NavySooner you may see it on a localized level for sure, just not to the extent you see it in Ukraine right now. Of course we are both speculating to some degree.
Most civil wars have poorly defined front lines. The U.S. civil war of the 1860’s manifested as a typical state Vs state conflict (bloody Kansas being the exception), typical of large separatist movements. Some people call the Ukraine war a Slavic civil war.
Any current issues that could spark a U.S. civil war today are factional, not separatist. Best case like the Spanish civil war. Worst case like the Russian civil war.
Spanish Civil War! Never thought of that. That's an interesting theory. Unfortunately, CW2 or a major attack like the October 7th Hamas attack in Israel seems real enough. I prefer a good tactical rifle. Shotgun is a backup.
Hi my name is DICK...LOL...God will take care of you and your HIP (Trust in him ). I own Shotguns....Bullpup shotguns made in Turkey (I own one) and it was a single shot when I got it...after some lube and shooting it is the SHI*. Cost me 320.00 Delivered. Choke tubes are a must for every shotgun...I have 4 --10 round a (2) 5 round which came with the weapon...Second: Mk3 Stoeger...10 round tube....Flawless function....use it for Pheasant in S.D. Home defense, and Coyote hunting... same with the Bullpup...Chokes are awesome and so is s RED DOT SCOPE. Blessings
Let's talk about real world. I want to make this clear. I have been graced to have just about any kind of firearm you would need to fall back to if needed. AR, shotgun, pistols and long rifles. However, for a defend yourself firearm at the homestead I can think of no other than a short barrel shotgun. No other firearm will end a problem as quick as a 12 gauge shotgun. Even in SHTF you will spend 90% of your time around your home. Meaning that your shotgun would be your primary firearm. Even venturing out the shotgun would be my go to. Why? Because when it really comes unglued, that guy with the AR will get taken out. People don't, for some reason, fear a guy with a shotgun as much as they do the guy with the AR. If you see me at 100 yards with a shotgun you will probably pay me no mind. If I have an AR, you may think to hunt me down and do me harm. Why? Because of fear. When rule of law is gone, people will end the threats by other means. So I would plan on making sure I had various types of tools for when the world changes. I don't think things will be what we think it will when it all goes to hell.
Now let's talk about the guy at 500 yards. If someone has you at 500 yards, your already dead. So it is best to take him out early. See a guy in SHTF with a long rifle, and you think he will turn on you, take him out right away. Never give him the chance. You will find that those guys will be dealt with immediately. In SHTF it will not take long for people to connect long range rifles to out right murder. It will be dealt with. Make no mistake about it. Think about it.
The problem is people think they can’t miss because it’s a shotgun. However, they can. You do you, but IMO (my opinion) it’s a secondary tool.
@@NavySooner missing has never been my problem. Pistol, rifle, shotgun or otherwise. The point of the shot gun is the ability to throw flesh to the floor. And I mean right now. That's my point. LOL
@@1820kj when was the last time you shot at someone with a shotgun and they were shooting back?
@@NavySooner okay smarty pants. If you can't hit them with a shotgun, what can you hit them with? The campaign of SHTF is nowhere like the campaign of military battle. Chances are you are going to be by yourself and you are not going to have the support of guys with flanking maneuvers. We are talking about defending your home in a worst case scenario. If your are looking for a battle or a fight, you will be dead in a week. I really get sick of people thinking their AR is the end all defense weapon that will conquer the world. Truth is in this scenario that AR will get you killed. But it is your grave, not mine.
If you don't use an AR for every scenario you are stupid.
Does that sum up the anti-shotgun arguments? I think so.
No, I guess you didn’t watch the video. Or you did watch it and went so reeeee that you blacked on everything I said except for the one part that pissed you off.
Dont agree. I luv the shotgun.
Ok… train with it and hope nothing happens at distance