Can Level III+ Body Armor Survive M855A1?
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2021
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In this video, we take an RMA Armament Level III+ plate and pit it against unrated threats including M855A1, 7,62x54R AP, and even 30/06 AP to see how well it can stand up to these threats at increased standoff ranges. Will the armor survive?
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I like how you threw the toughest threat at the plate first instead of beat the crap out of it with lesser threats compromising the plate. It seems to be a more realistic test.
That’s a nice AR. My wife’s boyfriend lets me hold his Daniel defense sometimes. I really want to get one of my own
Well done sir, and good luck
@@derrickroberts93 thank you. Would you like to meet my wife?
😂😂😂 thanks for the laugh brother that was hilarious
Maybe your wife will let you, one day. 🤣
Hahaha 🤣
Eric: We’re testing level III+ armor
Spirit of Barry: Bring the 30-06
Eric: Yaaaassssss
RIP BARRY
I shot the same .30-06 GI black tip out of a Remington 700. At 100 yds, went clean through 3/8 mild steel, then 3/4 alum plate. Recovered core wasn't even dented.
Eric, you should bring out the Fugly Mosin for some armor testing
Just bring it out again
@@TacticoolCraig burn some eyes
Thing go through a telephone pole and keep going
I love this content from IV8888, I know it’s not as easy to do body armor tests, machine gun burn downs, and videos like that but these are the best! Thanks guys!
Love watching your body armor tests! See you guys next weekend 👊
An old man I used to know had some 30-06 "accelerator" ammo he brought back from Korea. It was 55 grain ammo out of a 30-06. I'd love to see some testing done with it because it had to be wicked fast.
Funny enough, 55g fmj ball loaded to ~3400 fps will put a neat little hole in your ar 500 plates at close range. Considering that's a 55g 5.56 projectile your 30-06 would definitely destroy that plate.
He lied. The stuff was made in the 70s. It was commercial ammo.
@@whatsmolly5741 3400 FPS is in overpressure land. Not realistic
@@Richardjohnson6969 for .223 certainly but not 5.56, just look at ramshot load data.
Ramshot tac + 55g fmjbt, the published load data for 5.56 shows 27.3 grains for a muzzle velocity of 3450 out of a 16 inch barrel and a pressure of 61,335 psi.
Yes this is like tippy top of max load but still within published load data, also I'm pretty confident the military loads m193 that hot at or at least close to that max.
@@whatsmolly5741 M855A1 is about 62,000 so thats not impossible
Dadgum! That suppressor on the mosin is pretty impressive. The sonic crack on my earbuds was louder than the muzzle report. It sounded like an air rifle pop.
Nice. I just bought a pair of these RMA plates last week and got them in yesterday. I'm very impressed with them. Light, comfortable and high quality. Fantastic service from the RMA folks too. I got a pair of the Level III+ Model 1092 (medium) plates to go into my Crye JPC 2.0 plate carrier. Could not be happier with my purchase.
Wouldn't be surprised Taliban got hold stockpiles of M855A1
I got ahold of some and I’m not Taliban lol.
Of course they did, everything was left behind.
Well the Taliban were not known for really wearing body armour so not sure why they would have bothered sending the A1 ammo. Costs twice the price.
@@CS-zn6pp all the military has used for the past 5 ish years
@@CS-zn6ppThey do now
Hey Eric i see you lost some weight man , good for you bud and may God bless you and Chad
these are great videos really appreciate what yall do
Love waking up to another armor video!
Thank you guys! Love the topic!
Purchased 9 stripper clips with 90 rounds of M855A1 at a NY Antique show 4 years ago. At the time I wasn’t aware what I’d purchased for $25. Nice to see a performance review, and since I don’t expect to ever engage beyond a hundred yards, it’s effectiveness.
Yeah that was an absolute steal. The only way to get it is if someone smuggles it out of an armory. Wish they sold surplus like m855 because its actually really effective against just soft tissue as well. There are some videos of guys testing it in gel and it looks really nasty. Would be the ultimate round to stockpile considering its very good at defeating armor and good in soft tissue.
@@Nick-sx6jm cavitation is king
@Patrick Faricy they are talking about m855A1, notice the A1 at the end...
Shooting this ammo on the government’s dime at the height of the ammo shortage was a good feeling lol.
probably shot 1000 rounds of m855a1 back when 556 was going for a dollar a round, all at no cost to me lol
lol same, wish I could trade some 55gr for the A1 considering I was shooting 25m away.
Just bought the armor with a OD green carrier. Also came with a free gong! Thanks for the video. I've been watching all the armor test videos and this one sold me.
How thick is the plate? My first thought upon seeing it was, "that looks really thick", but then Eric said it was relatively thin, or "not that thick"(I forget which.)
Granted, all my plates are metal, but this plate looks like it's an inch and a half thick on video. Very light though. Perhaps worth looking into(or would be if I didn't already have 4 plates and 3 carriets/rigs that I'll likely never need/use in an actual firefight.)
@@Mockturtlesoup1 I'd say about 3/4in. I'll measure when I get home and give you a update if you want
@@Mockturtlesoup1 just messaged the plate and it's 1 inch
@@Mockturtlesoup1 Old comment but it is thin compared to stuff like the SAPI which required a soft armor backer. If you actually want thin armor which you can wear under a shirt you have to go with steel or titanium.
Great test guys, very interesting finds.
I’m so glad I stocked up on gunbroker m855a1 2014 lot goes 3260 from my 20 inch barrel absolutely devistating round
You guys get to have all the fun. I wasn't surprised with the results.
I really love the 66 ! I have one in 8x68S with a set trigger and a vintage Zeiss scope on it.
I learned a lot here, thanks Eric. 😊
Great vid as usual
Great videos and thank you ! 😊👍👍
No doubt whatsoever that Black-Tip went through & through..nice vid Eric.
Good stuff. Thanks guys
Thanks for the video 👍
love these videos
Great video
Good video! Thank you! :)
Thanks for inviting Chris from Marksman TV
UA-cam has done a really good job of hiding this channel. I'm subbed to you guys but a rarely see that a new video has been posted. Makes me wonder how many other channels they are doing this to and what other content I'm missing. I just had a sudden realization that i haven't seen a video from you in ages. Well yes I am still subbed but I honestly cant recall the last time I saw that a video has dropped on my Subscription Tab. I don't like notifications thats not my thing so i like to use the Subs Tab to see whats new....I can't recall seeing anything but when I go directly to your channel yeah youre still around. Well I'll have to keep an eye on this for every channel i guess
Could be that you have too many subscriptions, or maybe UA-cam doesn't really make use of the subscription tab as much anymore, because I always get notifications about new videos from these guys as well as my other subs. I don't use the subs tab since notifications lets me know when a new video comes up right away.
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Yeah I'm sub to only like 4 gun channels and nothing els and my UA-cam looks like how it looks when your not logged in, they are hiding shtf channels and gun channels
Damn I have notifications turned on and haven't seen a video from you in months!
I'd really love to see some armor testing with the Agilite Raider series armor, it seems to be a bit more resilient than this cheaper stuff, who knows.
Possibly looks Hesco like.
@@BuffRANGEI believe it's actually produced by HESCO, because it's produced in Aberdeen Washington, and the material compositions are nearly identical from what I can see.
@@albertkropp I’d trust the rma 1192s a thousand times more than agilites tbh
@@peeeoii2738 Why is that?
@@albertkropp hesco is known for bad QC practices
Awesome stuff
Great video thanks
Thanks for the info
Please keep the information coming
such a great video
Ordered level 4 on the 30th. Shipping from IA to CO. It’s already gonna be here tomorrow. FAST SHIPPING!
Great video! Please make some more videos with your 458 win mag! Thanks!
I live in a heavily hunted area so seeing how these rounds work at range is a good mental note
If someone has a 30-06 rifle they're likely going to see your plates through the scope and then just shoot your pelvis because they assume you have lv4 plates. level 4 protection may be less important than you think.
Love to see the black tip loaded into a 300 win mag... Then see how far it would punch thru body armor.
I'd like to see that. I'm just curious what the black tip would do in a 300 blackout. I wonder if it would penetrate.
The atf is illegally banning ammo that actually works
Have a couple pairs of 1092s. Love em. They performed perfectly in Buffman's tests against everything but M855A1. That stuff is nasty but not a realistic threat I'm worried about.
i dont know it all but if biden were to send the army after us and they comply, they will have the A1.
Dude can we just take a minute to appreciate Eric's shirt, probably one of my favorites so far! Very jealous I want one so bad
Is it new or limited? I searched the whole shop and couldn't find it.
@@mecha91 I've checked the store as well doesn't appear to be with the new arrivals.
Love that text font. Very BASED.
Very educational
That m855a1 is a pretty damned impressive round.
@@c3bhm the round is AP and therefore restricted. It’s available if you know where to look.
@@c3bhm you got it figured. Same reason for no auto
I want some. And I found some. Google baby. Bout to own some 🤠
@@Richardjohnson6969 it's not AP
@@jake4194 it is tho
I would also love to see some super hot 6ARC loadings tested vs various armor! I have a feeling that because of the design of the round (high bc ect) it will slip right through that armor! Especially a light for caliber, like 80 grain out of a full length 6ARC SPR.
speed kills armor 6 ARC just doesn't have the speed
Very interesting, with round to round minor velocity differences and minor manufacturing variations of the plate that stand off distance might vary a few yards either way shot to shot placement to placement, heck even if the angle of the plate is a few degrees tilted the apparent thickness changes minutely but all these things could go for you or maybe they could stack up the other way too.
30-06 is an effective round in most loadings, amazing that it’s over 100 years ago that was adopted and it’s still a formidable cartridge. I have never fired one but I have heard enough stories to know they’re effective.
Have you thought about trying a hunting round like a 444 Marlin with a soft point ? They say that at about 100 yards and under that’ll take any animal in North America. That round I have fired. Based on what some reloads can do from a 14” pistol barrel to a water jug or a disc blade it would be interesting to see what a rifle would do with a few more inches of barrel against a plate.
From what I've seen, the a1 will pen some level iii+ plates but not all, it depends on the mfg and how much "+" they put on it
Thank you guys. I ask u to do this 6 months ago.
lvl 3+ is a great compromise plate. There's some EXTREMELY light versions out there and honestly I wish the military issued both so we could have chose mission specific whether we were gonna go full heavy or 80% as good at 1/3 the weight.
That Mosin is badass!!
I’m an ammo nerd, I’m stoked that you did some m855A1 testing! I’m still super curious if it could penetrate level 4 armor.
Level IV is supposed to stop even 30.-06 AP. Of course if enough high power rounds of any kind hit ceramic multiple times in one area, they will bust through.
kenneth goze yes it is… but 855 or 855A1 from a 20” M4 is arguably more apt at defeating armor! It’s that unstoppable speed and the narrow bearing surface! Never ceases to surprise me! I love physics!
@@scottlawrence1826 M855A1 stands no chance of defeating Level IV, at least from a single or at least quite a few shots evenly placed per NIJ testing. Of course in an actual engagement, if you could place 2 rounds very close to each other (inside of 2") the second one has a chance of penetrating because the ceramic strike face would be compromised by the first.
Defeating ceramic armor is more about speed. It plays heavily into bullet construction, as well as appropriate speed. M995 AP is currently the known "king of the hill" for what I would consider armor piercing 5.56, and most level IV will stop it at NIJ distance (45') from a 22" barrel.
@@BuffRANGEus citizens need to resolve this problem and get bullets at velocities thst can go through level 4 and out of shorter barrels and higher speeds
Haven’t seen that mosin in years!
I’m glad I’ve gotten level iv plates now.
Been a while since I've watched this channel
I would like to see the same test but with a Lvl III+ICW plate with a Lvl IIIA soft armor backing, to see if the N855 or AP rounds get through.
Now do the same thing with RMA level 4 ceramic plates. Curious to see what happens with that especially since those are the plates I run
Mr Guns & Gear did a test on RMA lvl 4
lv4 is rated for black tip, so they'll have no problem. But these plates are half the weight (4 vs 8 lbs) so one just has to decide what is more important to them. More mobility at the cost of protection against a rather uncommon threat? I'll take that trade off, but some wouldn't and that's fine.
@🍀Witheringexistence🍀 308 is easier to stop than 5.56 lol. Even level 3 is capable of stopping 308
@🍀Witheringexistence🍀 Because thats what level 4 is rated to stop. Level 3 is rated for 6 shots of .308. Level 4 is rated for 30-06 AP. Where’s the confusion?
I never mentioned 308 armor piercing, as it’s also a rather uncommon threat.
Love the series! You should do another one with 338 lapua and 300 win mag and see if you need level 3+ or 4 and at what range.
For the inevitable Tarkov comments, this is the equivalent of GOST level 5 body armor
Not really, I’d say GOST level IV since M855A1 pierces it at 45 feet.
Need to describe the difference between m855 and m855a1 in the beginning of video. I know, but many don’t. Thanks for the vid.
I would really like to see this test with various hunting calibers.
Why? The most common hunting rounds are 30-06, 308, 6.5 CM, 30-30, and 270. Of all of those the 30-06 has the most penetrating power due to the bullet size and barre exit velocity. If it’s capable of holding a 30-06 black tip (which is what it’s rated for), the calibers with lower Ft-Lb/energy and lower velocity will not go through
He basically proved it by showing what it was capable of with a higher power round
@@Refrigerator_ did you watch the same video? The black tip made it through both times.
Thinking the same thing
@@Refrigerator_ Because it is good information for future rifle purchases.
I have shot 444 Marlin through a disc used in farm equipment at about 10-15 yards in both FMJ and Hornady XTP hollow point. We shot a plow shear too and the 444 FMJ punched a golf ball sized hole through it, we found the top piece and the bottom but the rest was smithereens.
The bullet diameter there is .429. Couldn’t penetrate the flat thick center part of the disc where the hub is but did tear 1 1/2” back the thickness of the material.
I think some chunky hunting rounds would definitely be worth testing. I bet a 375 H&H would be tough to stop too, especially in a solid like a grand slam big game round.
PS The other rounds we tried basically turned themselves inside out on the plow shear except the .223 FMJ made a bearing sized nick in the edge.
Looking trim. 👍
@ ~ 10:50 mark, that's a large part of the reasoning behind NGSW and 6.8mm Common Cartridge: 855A1 simply poops out against even lighter armor, past c. 130 yards. And that's coming out of the 18 inch barrel; out of a 16 inch barrel, let alone 14.5 inch, the velocity would be even less.
Would love to see this test on steel plates as well. Everyone hates on steel plates, I wonder how they would compare.
Wonder if the m855a1 can penetrate safelife 3+ FRAS.
Bringing the word “knarly” back. Way to go!
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Now I'd like to see the 7.62x39 API rated plates going up against M855A1.
7.62x39 is slow, not a good characteristic for AP
3:47 best part of the video. Smooth 😎🤙
I like the shirt Professor Eric. 😊
You have lost weight ! Good for you sir
I would be very interested to see another test like this, but with ballistic gel on the other side as a comparison to see what those rounds would do to the gel after punching through a plate
I thought you were talking to me when you asked if the m855a1 would make it through and I answered. Was alil embarrassed when the guy behind the camera answered
That suppressor sounds so crispy
Just noticed the Fender hat. Eric’s a true renaissance man.
Threads = threats
Love this content 855a1 get some. Look forward to the outcome
That M855A1 looks a lot like the Remington Bronze tip ammo of the 1970s.
Even though the armor stopped bullet hopefully it reduces the blunt force trauma.
Of course is a person had the Mauser setup that he has why aim for the vest when the neck on up is a softer target and thus easier to defeat the person.
Your last statement is why I've put less importance on black tip protection. If you're using 30-06 you most likely have a scope and you'll be able to see that I have plates on. At that point, the shooter is likely going to avoid shooting the vest and just shoot my pelvis or head/neck if they are a good enough shot. I think plates should be used to protect against threats from normal fighting rifles, which really doesn't go past .308 if were being honest.
Level 3+ is a good rating as long as it covers both m193 AND m855. Both of those rounds are too common to drop protection on one of them.
That's insane. I have two mosins and they both sound like cannons going off
Sweet rig...the 18 is my fight rifle set up or at least a back up to my 16 rifle
I would like to see some armor tests with 3+ and a soft IIIa behind it to see how much and if the ratings increase.
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I'd really like to know where to find M855 A1 ammo to purchase if its possible to find any. Also how much does that built Mosin weigh? Its a beautiful build.
GunBroker.
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M855A1 😯 everything’s better with steak sauce
That’s insane it stopped 7.62x54r at 100
Tell daisy to stop eating the bench legs
Is that a mask with a moustache protector?(you're wearing in your profile picture)..
If so it's pretty sweet..
I like that you throw the worst it’s supposed to handle at it first, why waste ammo shooting something you know it’s going to stop.
I really liked that 9mm AP ammo that one channel tested from the 80s that went right through the 3A plate, could you imagine having 19 rounds of that in a pistol… oof
the all steel ABC round?
Eric, Schmidt Rubin 1889 vs the plate. For science!
I heard the new trend in body armor is cross fit plates!
Would it be possible to test some of the RMA steel plates?
Those are just from Spartan Armor Systems
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Have you done any testing on military spec body armor ceramics with the soft armor combination???
How much does the armor slow the bullet down and how does that affect the wound/cavity? Some Gelatin trials may help to see that.
I would be very curious to see if a solid copper tip would be able to penetrate. I also have some vague memory about the atf listing brass right after tungsten as potential ap material.
Everything is ap material to these human rights violating jackboots theyre killing us by forcing us to buy ammo that cant penetrate the armor of our enemies coming after us
That m855a1 is dope
Nice round if you need to shoot through 3/8 steel plates but really hard on the bolt and barrel. I’ll stick with my heavy 223 hornady JHP and for bulk ammo the tried and true original green tip.
There isnt any protetion for the punch of the bullet?
I'm shocked it went through a pressure treated 2x4 ! Wow
Wow! that little bullet.........
855A1 isn't common enough yet to worry about. These plates cover pretty much everything that is going to come out of a fighting rifle while remaining lightweight and affordable. I think I'm sold on getting a set
We’ve had M855A1 since at least 2011, but luckily not much has made it onto the civilian side. But be warned, we train to aim for the pelvic girdle if we see a vest.
@@blackhawk7r221 oh I know, but that’s the one advantage to everyone being a fatzo in this country. I can wear a sweatshirt or jacket over the carrier and just look like a fatty.
@@jth_printed_designs Ha! True that. I’m jealous about the plates you are ordering. I’m still rocking my heavy ass ESAPIs from the army. And my collarbones hate me for it.
@@blackhawk7r221 I have mine now, just waiting on the carrier. I originally was thinking of going with level 4, but it occurred to me that anyone using a 30-06 AP would likely have a quality scope and be able to see if I had plates. They would likely just assume that they are level 4 and shoot me elsewhere (the pelvis like you mentioned), so they effectively "work" against that threat on a psychological level. For my purposes a plate that works against common rounds used in common "fighting rifles" is sufficient.
@@blackhawk7r221 Nothing wrong with having those heavy plates either, it's definitely worlds better than steel and they're multi-curve so it could definitely be worse. These new NIJ testing standards (0101.07) are going to shake up the armor industry for the "3+" category and we're probably going to see some great plates come out of it. Might be worth gritting your teeth for a couple more years with the heavy plates to see what comes out. Maybe just look for better shoulder pads in the meantime